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Can We Just Be American  
User currently offlineAirafrique From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 139 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5143 times:

I am talking to my fellow American:

Why not simply say American or American of X decend where X represent:

African
Asian
Jew
Arab
Hispanic
Caucasian

For me it does not make sense to say Jew American or Arab American.

Why focus on the race ?

No matter where we come from or Ancester came from. We are Firtst AMERICAN.


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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5092 times:

Some people don't want to be "American." For instance, stating they are an Arab American may very well mean they consider themselves an Arab who happens to have citizenship in America. There are also those who wish to point out their difference to others, for whatever reason they may have.

I'm not an expert on the subject though, I'm just an "American," not a "European American," "German/English American," or "White American."  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5077 times:

My thoughts....

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OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5114 times:

It's an interesting point. The British comedian Lenny Henry once commented that he was described as an "African-American from England" which he found both hilarious and troubling. I wonder if these labels are anything more than a rote response.


She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5023 times:

While white, caucasian americans are hated by a majority of the rest of the world African/Arab/Latin americans are idolized, once your outside of the country you dont want to be considered a part of the typical american majority that the rest of the world is is heavily critisizing..

Such is life.



"How Many Assholes we got on this ship?" - Lord Helmet
User currently offlineLeftseat86 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4992 times:

Boy it sux to be hated  Sad

User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4995 times:

To respond to NuAirs comment, let me just say that the kind of hate he is referring to is driven by jealousy more than anything else.

I would bet that a vast majority of those factions he mentioned secretly wish they could be one of those "white, caucasian Americans" for a variety of reasons.

And let me just say that I don't really care if everyone else hates us or not. Sure we may be arrogant, pompous, and wealthy. And we can mow down and obliterate anyone that gets in our way just because we can.


I'm sure that that attitude is what is so hated (to say nothing of our wealth, influence, power, or success), but hey that's just the way the world is. Sometimes the truth hurts. I'm not saying that it's right or wrong, but reality is reality.

As for the original post, I agree. Either you are an American. Or you are not. There shouldn't be any qualifying monikers or prefixes. That's a large part of what keeps perpetuating our social problems.


User currently offlineRealHigh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1022 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4975 times:

I would bet that a vast majority of those factions he mentioned secretly wish they could be one of those "white, caucasian Americans" for a variety of reasons.

 Confused
What kind of statement is that?
I'd like to see some facts to back up that ridiculous statement.
The only non-white that I can think of that wants to be white is Alan Keyes.

Can We Just Be American?
Can someone tell that to airport security?





User currently offlineSonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1670 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

RealHigh, you forgot Michael Jackon  Smile

User currently offlineRealHigh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1022 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4971 times:

Sonic, he has a skin disorder.
I thought everyone knew that by now.


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4933 times:

Racial/ethnic pigeon-holing is one of the more odious characteristics of modern American life. As far as I can tell, there is nothing whatsoever in its favor, and everything against.
Yet there may be some hope for the future, though I emphasize the word "may." Growing up in Connecticut in the 1960's and early 1970's, I saw firsthand how fellow whites (me included) classified ourself by ethnicity. You weren't American, you were Italian-American or Irish-American or whatever-American, notwithstanding the fact that in most cases the immigration had taken place many decades before and the immigrants themselves were long dead. Ethnicity was everything - even the funeral homes in my city were classified by ethnicity (Albini's or Maiorano's for the Italians, Mulville's or O'Donnell's for the Irish, Frigon's for the French, and so on).
Yet all of that ethnic, hyphenated-American classifying came to a fairly complete end in the 1970's. And this was in a city where ethnicity was embraced more than in most other places. People began thinking of themselves as "just white." Now, it's fairly evident that race is more pervasive than mere ethnicity. It may be a long, long time before Americans stop thinking of themselves as blacks, or whites, or Hispanics. But the fact that long-standing traditional ethnic classifications could become blurred and fade means that the same could, theoretically at least, happen with race.



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User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4940 times:

NUAIR MATTD

Please post links pointing to proof of those rediculios statements. I assure you that that is not true. Open your eyes to the world.

BTW: Are you one of those people who tan all the time?

Are you a member of aryan nation?



Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineUALfa@jfk From United States of America, joined May 2000, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4925 times:

I would bet that a vast majority of those factions he mentioned secretly wish they could be one of those "white, caucasian Americans" for a variety of reasons.

MattD, thanks for your candor, but do most whites in your circle feel the way you do? Just asking, because as a black person I've NEVER felt an iota of jealousy about whites, nor have I ever remotely even "wanted" to be white. That's something I've never even heard of amongst people I know. (I do wish I could be wealthy, though. But don't we all?  Laugh out loud). But seriously, as far as ethnic background is concerned, I'll stick to who I am, thank you.

*****************

While white, caucasian americans are hated by a majority of the rest of the world African/Arab/Latin americans are idolized...

Now this is something that I *REALLY* never heard of. African/Arab/Latin americans "idolozied????" Where on earth did you get that from? --You must be referring to black and Latin celebrities being "idolized" like Janet Jackson or Ricky Martin. ...Not to sound pitied, whiny, or complaining, but if anything, I actually sense (emphasis on "sense") the feeling of disdain, hatred, and fear from a lot of whites as a black male. You'd feel this way too if you're ALWAYS followed around in stores (I'm always a shoplifting "suspect"); constantly being pulled over by cops for being a "suspect"; constantly having whites refuse to ride an elevator with me alone with them; and always noticing women clutching their purses and backing away if I get "too close." None of this really causes me to go crazy anymore, but it's just things you notice happen constantly over the years.

NUair, I really, really don't get the sense that I'm "idolized" by any stretch of the imagination.




User currently offlineSonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1670 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4913 times:

Actually, I think racism in America still remains from both sides.

These are whites complaints:
-being not given job even if their characteristics are better than a black who got the job
-paying taxes to exploit public schools, in which the great part of students are blacks
-racist mugs and robberies on streets

These are non-whites complaints:
-being careful watched by security in many places, including airports (the latter is especially true for Arab-Americans)
-racist policemen, shooting blacks
-whites who dislikes the company of non-whites

Of course both lists could go on and on. The only thing is that I think it is hard to manage country with people of many races, nationalities, religions. There will always be some kind of racism. Of course, we could explain that blacks are now given more rights on getting jobs because they were impursued before and that they are carefully watched by security because there are more black thiefs than white thiefs. But let's don't explain, just be more tolerant and all will be OK.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4894 times:

Can't we just be human?

User currently offlineBigo747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4877 times:

If I were in that same position, I would not like for someone to call me American when I am from Mexican descent. When people come to a new country, they want to feel proud of where they come from.

User currently offlineYazoo From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4884 times:

Arab and Latino does not necessarily mean non-white or non-caucasian, a lot of arab/latinos are blonde and have blue/green eyes. it just depends where their ancestry is from.

a lot of latinos are of spanish/european decent. again it just depends where you find most ratio of "caucasian latinos" if you g deep south on south america, like argentina and chile, you will find more "caucasian people" than in mexico or honduras

same for arabs, you'll find more people with blonde hairs and green/blue eyes, in Lebanon, Syria and North Africa ( though north africans are not for the vast majority arabs but rather berber ) than in saudi arabia and yemen.

I consider out of contest to qualify those people as non-white. for instance, in the employment application you find a sheet that asks you about your heritage, and you will find qualified as white: people who originate from the original people of europe, north africa and the middle-east.

America! land of the free, and home of the brave!



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39860 posts, RR: 74
Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4876 times:

Sonic:
Of course, we could explain that blacks are now given more rights on getting jobs because they were impursued before

Are you sure about that?
I'd like to see some numbers to prove that statement. Last time I checked, unemployment amoung Blacks were higher than Whites.


.......because there are more black thiefs than white thiefs.

Of course as long as police and security guards pay closer attention to Blacks than Whites.


I think it is hard to manage country with people of many races, nationalities, religions.

So are you saying that it is impossible for people of various backgrounds to live in harmony?



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineSonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1670 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4870 times:

Superfly, I am not living in USA and not even in America so I don't know how thinks exacly are there, but I seen many whites complaining that in USA at least in governmental jobs there must be an equality between whites and blacks (maybe not a total equal number, but at least some percentage). So, it is harder to get job for whites.

I was in Harlem in New York and it looked like a very hostile place for a white. From what I seen, it seems that there are really much crimes here (like each third of houses are burned). And, ussually blacks aren't the best neighborhoods. There was a Lithuanian district in Chicago but once blacks started moving in, most of Lithuanians moved out. i talked with one my friend in USA who said that now it is very unsafe there. Anyway, I am not saying that all blacks are thiefs like I am not saying that all Arabs are terrorists or that all Jews are murderers. However, the stereotypes of what I mentioned really exists. Airport security is looking over Arabs because big part of terrorists were arabs, at least in current times. So maybe shop security is also looking over blacks because they do more crimes? I certainly don't think that all scurity personell would be racists.

Yes, I think it is impossible for people of various backgrounds to live in harmony. Say at least one example where two or more totally different nations (of different cultures, races or/and religions not like Switzerland) lives together quietly. Of course, both cultures has to have a big part of people, not just several percents. Look to Israel, Russia, Bosnia, North Ireland, South Africa and you will understand what I mean. They all have coonflicts or had conflicts in the past. USA does not had one since civil war, but topics like this (and there were many more of them) indicates that there are still hostile status between American cultures.


User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39860 posts, RR: 74
Reply 19, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4854 times:

Sonic:
Those Whites that are complaining about those Government jobs really don't have a reason to complain. Even in the public sector, Whites still make up a majority of the work force. Even at the entry level.
Government jobs don't pay that much by the way.
I've never been given a job because I was Black. I am sure I have been denied employment because I was Black as well as housing etc.

There was a Lithuanian district in Chicago but once blacks started moving in, most of Lithuanians moved out.


The neighborhood I grew up in was predominately Jewish and my family was the second Black family to move in (1971). When we moved in 1984, the neighborhood was almost all Black. Yet the neighborhood stayed clean and safe, property value has increased and is still one of the most desirable parts of Lake County Indiana.
Your Lithuanian friends just sound plain scared and frightened. Not all Black neighborhoods are the worst.
In fact, ghettos tend to be very integrated.
South Central LA is Hispanic, Black, Korean and many other ethnic groups.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineTakkyu_Ishino From France, joined Oct 2001, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4846 times:

Superfly, I'm sorry to say this but i didn't have a good experience with black people in the US, first time i got here, i rented an apartment in a black neighbordhood, just to settle until i find a better location, and i can tell you as sonic said, they are not the best neighbors, i'm not going to talk about that experience because it's bad memories. it didn't take me 10 days to get the hell out of there.

now i live in a white neighbordhood and i love it, people are friendly, never had a problem with any of my neighbors.

that being said, a few black people are cool to hang out with.


User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39860 posts, RR: 74
Reply 21, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4851 times:

Takkyu_Ishino:
Just a few huh?

That's really sad that you can form an opinion of an entire race of people.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineTakkyu_Ishino From France, joined Oct 2001, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 4852 times:

no don't get me wrong man, i'm talking black people i've encountered during my experience ( Minneapolis, Phoenix and New York ) not the whole black race !!!

but as i've said i have some black friends that i really enjoy hanging out with.

but you gotta admit, black neighbordhoods are always labeled as being the worst neighbordhoods in an american city. ( and they truly are )


User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39860 posts, RR: 74
Reply 23, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 4847 times:

Takkyu_Ishino:
Key word; "labeled".

I guess you haven't seen Ladera Heights (LA), Ingleside (SFO), Beverly (Chicago), and the neighborhood I grew up in in Indiana. It was majority Black and was very safe.

However, there are a lot of bad Black neighborhoods in urban areas. I can think of some pretty crappy WHite neighborhoods too.
Has anyone here been to Tujunga, Ca or Clovis, CA?
Very crappy towns.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 4840 times:

I don't want to be called Swiss-American. I believe in diversity and by calling everyone american this and american that you tend to lose it. America is just a massive mixing pot. Very few people are truely american. (except the native americans)
I like to call myself swiss.


25 Airafrique : For me been called AfricanAmerican, ArabAmerican, CaucasianAmerican, AsianAmerican, SpanishAmerican..... IS SOURCE OF DIVISION. WE ARE ALL AMERICAN, B
26 Everett, WA : I have a question. I'm Turkish. I am blonde and have blue eyes (before you get ideas, I'm a guy...!) and go to college in the US. I think my English i
27 Superfly : Airafrique: I agree! Now tell that to the police, realators, security guards, employers, journalist, the media, and just about every fragment of our s
28 Superfly : Everett, WA: I can't speak for every Black person. I certainly don't think that. When you read this board, who do you think are the racist?
29 UALfa@jfk : Something else I noticed: Whites, when physically outnumbered by blacks, will feel "threatened", "scared shitless", "afraid", etc., no matter what cla
30 Mx5_boy : I think we have a similar problem here in Australia, with people referring to themselves as XXX Aussie. As far as I am concerned anyone who was born i
31 Vc10 : In all the postings in this topic I hear of Irish or German or Italian Americans, but I haven't heard any body mention English- Americans, perhaps the
32 Aerorobnz : The same can be said for any multi cultural society.... I don't like to be called 'Pakeha' which is Maori for different/foreigner which is used to des
33 Sonic : I can understand European immigrants who are scared by blacks presence. Let's say Lithuania, where I am living, is a totally racial intact. Well, ther
34 Mika : Look to Israel, Russia, Bosnia, North Ireland, South Africa and you will understand what I mean. They all have coonflicts or had conflicts in the pas
35 Sonic : Mika, I didn't mentioned those as racial conflicts. The question was "can people of different backrounds live together peacefully". Background is not
36 PROSA : Whites, when physically outnumbered by blacks, will feel "threatened", "scared shitless", "afraid", etc., no matter what class, demographic, or behavi
37 PHX-LJU : NUAir wrote: "While white, caucasian americans are hated by a majority of the rest of the world African/Arab/Latin americans are idolized, once your o
38 PHX-LJU : I wrote: "Countrary to popular belief, most people around the world LIKE Americans, no matter what their race or nationality." I meant: "Countrary to
39 Airafrique : That's what I am saying NO MATTER WHAT IS OUR RACE; WE ARE AMERICAN FIRST. I would like people to THINK about that " AMERICAN " African-American Arab-
40 Twaneedsnohelp : I don't understand the poster's concern? Arab-American? Thats someone who speaks Arabic who is American. Whats the problem? African-Americans? People
41 PHX-LJU : Airafrique wrote: >>African-American >>Arab-American >>French-American >>Mexican-American >>Jew-American >>White-American.........etc,.....etc are jus
42 Matt D : PHX-LJU: That's a very noble, idealistic Utopia-like concept. Unfortunately, reality has painted a drastically different picture. Concepts such as Aff
43 Post contains links Hartsfieldboy : I remeber some PC-psycho trying to describe a Black African. Because there are white Africans, he couldn't just say "African", so he ended up calling
44 Post contains images PROSA : RealHigh- Michael Jackson claims to have the skin disorder Vitiligo. He's full of shit. If he had Vitiligo, his skin would have patches of white skin
45 PHX-LJU : Matt D wrote: >>"Infortunately, reality has painted a drastically different picture. Concepts such as Affirmative Action/Quotas, racial profiling, "ch
46 RealHigh : Matt D: Concepts such as Affirmative Action/Quotas, racial profiling, "check the ethnicity box", and so on only perpetuate the divisiveness. Wrong. Yo
47 NUAir : Damn, I didnt even know this post was still going, My comment was meant as nothing more then a broad gerneralization and living in France/Ghana/The Ne
48 PHX-LJU : NUAir, I'm sorry if my ealrier comments appeared to be nasty. I did not mean to attack you, just your comments implying that the world hates Americans
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