Sponsor Message:
Non Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Why Shouldn't We Buy Toyota Right Now?  
User currently offlinemirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4043 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

I posted something the same exact question a few months ago but regarding GM.

Now that Toyota, a brand known for reliability, is taking a huge hit, make a case why one shouldn't buy Toyota.

Prices should be coming down by now for most new Toyotas. Is that enough for people to stick with them? These recalls as well as the government oversight into the issue....is that enough to steer you away?

Discuss.


Forum moderator 2001-2010; He's a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard, a belligerent old fart, a worthless st
90 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4035 times:

Quoting mirrodie (Thread starter):
ake a case why one shouldn't buy Toyota.

They lied to their customers by telling them that their cars were safe while people were dying.

Their "solution" to the floormat issue is to remove the floormats   

They failed to enact a recall and was pretty much forced to by the Feds.

They didn't want to issue a recall so as to save money by not having to fix cars.
.
Their supposed "fix" for accelerator issues may not have actually solved anything.

More and more stories are coming out about various other issues with their cars

They make ugly, boring, bland and over-hyped (read Prius) cars.



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4024 times:

Quoting mirrodie (Thread starter):
why one shouldn't buy Toyota

Right off the bat.

1. There seems to be conflicting information regarding whether the current recall repairs will completely solve the problem(s).

2. Several models (not just one or two) have the same recall issue(s).

3. The nature of the recalled items are ALL safety-related.

Personal note: I have never owned nor bought a Toyota in the past nor planned on buying one before so the recent recall info. would NOT further sway my preference one iota.

I've only bought domestics (Ford, Chevy, Mercury).



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4018 times:

If I were in the market for a car right now, yes, I would head down to the local Toyota dealership and find myself a deal. Toyotas score very high in Consumer Reports' performance and reliability tests. Reliability and safety are the two top priorities in any car purchasing decision I make.

Although the recalls are unfortunate and the corporation's handling of the situation has been abysmal, it's a problem that has affected very few people adversely. The media loves to run with a drama and they've certainly done so in this situation.

I wouldn't hesitate in purchasing a new Toyota.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3996 times:

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 3):
Toyotas score very high in Consumer Reports' performance and reliability tests.

Those ratings were published BEFORE the crud hit the fan.

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 3):
Reliability and safety are the two top priorities in any car purchasing decision I make.

Fair enough, but I've known several people that went from American vehicles to imports (due to issues w/the domestics), encountered similar if not more issues/problems but still view imports (usually Toyota and Honda) as they can do no wrong.

Side note: In the past, Consumer Reports has had a history of giving glowing reviews of a Japanese brand while condemning a rival domestic brand even when the 2 vehicles tested in question either share the same components and/or roll out of the same factory.

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 3):
Although the recalls are unfortunate and the corporation's handling of the situation has been abysmal

   That's an understatement for sure.

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 3):
it's a problem that has affected very few people adversely.

34 known deaths out of 6 to 8 year period, though small; isn't exactly something to brush off lightly.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15845 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3993 times:

Quoting mirrodie (Thread starter):
make a case why one shouldn't buy Toyota.

I really wouldn't try and steer you away, especially if the price is right. Worst case scenario is that the car kills you and your family members become millionaires.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3998 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
They lied to their customers by telling them that their cars were safe while people were dying.

Their "solution" to the floormat issue is to remove the floormats

They failed to enact a recall and was pretty much forced to by the Feds.

They didn't want to issue a recall so as to save money by not having to fix cars.
.
Their supposed "fix" for accelerator issues may not have actually solved anything.

More and more stories are coming out about various other issues with their cars

They make ugly, boring, bland and over-hyped (read Prius) cars

Justin is pretty much spot on here. They erred badly and for at least two model years how would you know the car you are driving doesn't have something that can be an issue? Buy a Nissan!


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3966 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
Buy a Nissan!

   C'mon Nick really, a Nissan?  
Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 3):
Reliability and safety are the two top priorities in any car purchasing decision I make.

Hey, long as you overlook the fact the accelerator sticks and the floormats jam. They're safe as hell!

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 3):
Although the recalls are unfortunate and the corporation's handling of the situation has been abysmal, it's a problem that has affected very few people adversely.

You know 2/3 of Toyotas US cars are recalled right?

[Edited 2010-03-01 09:22:10]


Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8777 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
They make ugly, boring, bland and over-hyped (read Prius) cars.

I agree with this.

But if you are attracted to Toyotas, there is absolutely no safety reason we have yet heard. There is a tremendous amount of noise in the entertainment media community regarding Toyota. I think this has nothing to do with Toyota cars and trucks. Instead it's about human emotions and a desire for a spectacle. Toyota has unwillingly become part of our Roman Coliseum where we like to kill things and watch them suffer.

But Toyota doesn't deserve it. Every consumer goods company engages in risk management. You can't recall out every flaw. This is one of the most minor safety problems (killing arguably, 3 persons per year) that has ever been highlighted publicly. I have never been less worried about a potential safety problem. Gladly get into a Toyota. Or believe the circus. It's up to you.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 7):
Hey, long as you overlook the fact the accelerator sticks and the floormats jam. They're safe as hell!

Don't forget about the brakes

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 7):
C'mon Nick really, a Nissan

Yep great car.


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

Recalls or not I still loathe Toyota, and every other Asian brand out there for that matter. Though I will say I do respect Mazda.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
They make ugly, boring, bland and over-hyped (read Prius) cars.

That sums up pretty much every Asian brand out there.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3906 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 10):
and every other Asian brand out there for that matter.

Agreed. But Id still LOVE one of these:

http://www.lawandmore.co.uk/static/images/decembervanessa/nissan_gtr.jpg

Yes Nick, its a Nissan ;

Quoting Flighty (Reply 8):
there is absolutely no safety reason we have yet heard.

You're joking right? Lets see, Prius brake failures, possible accelerators sticking in 2/3 of Toyotas Models, floor mats that can jam accelerator pedals leading to crashes like the one that killed a CA family when their Lexus crashed and bust into flames.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 8):
You can't recall out every flaw.

Sure you can. There are 2 outstanding on my car right now. One because in rare cases the switch for the heated seats can get stuck in position and another for coil packs that fail after about 30k. Neither are for safety reasons and both are almost enough to ignore. Tell ya what. Id rather have a car company tell me about things that COULD go wrong then have them lie to us and let their customers die while driving their products. Toyota deserves everything they get.

[Edited 2010-03-01 10:35:37]


Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 11):
But Id still LOVE one of these:

Bleh. Sure, it's an amazing engineering achievement, but it wouldn't be so good if you unplugged all of the computer driving aids...

For about the same price I rather have one of these:

http://intokj.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/atom_500_v8.jpg

or

http://gearpatrol.com/images/caterham.r500.jpg

Sure, they would suck as daily drivers, but that's pure unadulterated driving pleasure right there.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 9):
Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 7):
Hey, long as you overlook the fact the accelerator sticks and the floormats jam. They're safe as hell!

Don't forget about the brakes

And the steering (Corolla). 
Quoting Flighty (Reply 8):
But if you are attracted to Toyotas, there is absolutely no safety reason we have yet heard.

Sudden accelerations (due to either sticky floor mats and/or faulty accelerator pedals) that have caused crashes that have supposedly killed an estimated 34 people NOT a safety issue?????

http://www.pjstar.com/business/x6260...ied-to-Toyota-accelerator-problems

Opening Exerpt (article dated Feb. 15, 2010):

WASHNGTON, D.C. — The government has received new complaints that bring to 34 the total number of alleged deaths in Toyota vehicles due to sudden acceleration since 2000, according to government data posted Monday.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 8):
There is a tremendous amount of noise in the entertainment media community regarding Toyota. I think this has nothing to do with Toyota cars and trucks. Instead it's about human emotions and a desire for a spectacle. Toyota has unwillingly become part of our Roman Coliseum where we like to kill things and watch them suffer.

Replace Toyota in your above-sentences with either GM, Ford and/or Chrysler and would you still feel the same way?



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8777 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3875 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 11):
Id rather have a car company tell me about things that COULD go wrong then have them lie to us and let their customers die while driving their products.

Then you shouldn't drive any car. Every new car goes bad in the end. Every car eventually rusts, and can have failures that kill. Car companies know this.

Toyota had a very small problem. Actually, like every company, they have many small problems. One or two of them were picked up by the entertainment channels such as CNN and ABC. Now we are led to believe something is really wrong, big time! Because the television employees want to sell toilet paper and hamburger helper.

If we are so panicky about Toyotas, then we certainly should not drive. Any car. They are all dangerous. And, we should never, ever eat red meat. It's very dangerous and it can kill. Many companies know this as well. How many people die from red meat? A lot more than 3 per year.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 13):
Replace Toyota in your above-sentences with either GM, Ford and/or Chrysler and would you still feel the same way?

In terms of safety, yes of course. But not financially. Toyota is not asking for a $60B handout. They are not that kind of ultra loser company.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 13):
34 the total number of alleged deaths in Toyota vehicles due to sudden acceleration since 2000,

Exactly, 3 per year. That's far from alarming.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 14):
But not financially. Toyota is not asking for a $60B handout. They are not that kind of ultra loser company.

Actually, Toyota DID get a financial bailout of sorts last year... from Japan. Granted, it's not as large as what GM and Chrysler got (which I was opposed to them getting BTW, they should've just filed for Chapter 11 to shrug off the legacy costs), but it was the first time in roughly 50 years that they posted an overall sales LOSS. This didn't exactly get too much press in the U.S.... gee I wonder why?

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbi...ntent/mar2009/gb2009033_969062.htm

Exerpt:

According to reports in Japan's local media, Toyota is in talks to borrow a little over $2 billion from the state-backed Japan Bank for International Cooperation (JBIC) to secure funds for its U.S. operations. Toyota, which expects to lose $3.9 billion this year, through a spokesman confirmed it is discussing the loan, but declined to discuss the details. If Toyota does reach a deal, it will be the first Japanese automaker to apply for assistance from the new emergency fund, which is tapping $5 billion from the Japanese government this month to lend to Japanese corporations that operate internationally.

But Toyota is just the latest Japanese automaker to ask for government assistance. Last month, Nissan (NSANY) and Mitsubishi Motors both signaled their intent to ask for loans from the Development Bank of Japan. Meanwhile, Toyota's European arm is planning to request funding from the European Investment Bank to finance research and development into clean technologies.


Another article stating similar:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C504055%2C00.html

Exerpts:

Toyota Motor Corp. said no details had been decided. Kyodo News and NHK-TV reported earlier in the day, without identifying sources, that Toyota’s auto loan unit, Toyota Financial Services, had asked for a $2 billion government loan.
...
Toyota’s projected red ink for the fiscal year through March would mark its first such annual net loss since 1950, and a sharp contrast from the record $1.7 billion profit it racked up the previous year.


Quoting Flighty (Reply 14):
Exactly, 3 per year. That's far from alarming.

Unless, if one of those 3 per year were somebody that you either knew or was a family member; I believe you'd be stating differently.

[Edited 2010-03-01 11:33:19]


"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7865 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3851 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 12):

For about the same price I rather have one of these:

That's the Atom 500, it'll set you back an estimated 160,000 USD, you could get several GTR's for the price of one of them.


User currently offlineMoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3835 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 14):
Exactly, 3 per year. That's far from alarming.

Even more tiny when you consider 42,000 +/- Americans die every year in auto accidents. That's an increase in mortality rate of .0000714.

For me if there was a Toyota I had my eye on I wouldn't hesitate to buy it. However, lots of families look at auto as transportation and usually look at 2 or 3 other makes/models to purchase and then do a cost - benefit ratio on each of their final cars they like. For some the brake deal will be a deal killer at any price, and others just one factor on the "con" side of the equation for them to consider against the other "pros" and "cons" of their other car selections.

It is a kink in Toyota's armor to be sure and die hard Toyota owners who might ordinarily not even bother to look at anything other than a Toyota at replacement time will probably now do so. But I do think Toyota is getting a bum wrap from the American media simply because it is a foreign owned corporation.


User currently offlinemrocktor From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1672 posts, RR: 49
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 17):
Even more tiny when you consider 42,000 +/- Americans die every year in auto accidents.

Even more when you consider several of those "sudden acceleration" cases are probably just families of unlucky drivers trying to score off Toyota's burned image. For all we know they were wearing flip-flops or high heels and got their gas pedal stuck all by themselves. Its not like we have NTSB investigations for car accidents.


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3808 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 16):
That's the Atom 500, it'll set you back an estimated 160,000 USD, you could get several GTR's for the price of one of them.

I know. That's just the first picture I found of an Atom. The base starts at 65k.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3801 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 14):
In terms of safety, yes of course.

You still think Toyota builds a safe car?

Quoting Flighty (Reply 14):
But not financially. Toyota is not asking for a $60B handout. They are not that kind of ultra loser company.

Irrelevant. GM was not lying to their customers while people were dying.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 14):
Exactly, 3 per year. That's far from alarming.

So thats how you justify unnecessary deaths? How many more will die by the end of all of Toyotas problems?

Quoting Flighty (Reply 14):
Every new car goes bad in the end.

Keywords "IN THE END" These are NEW cars that are killing people. Hell, my car has 98,000 miles is it time for it to kill me?

Quoting Flighty (Reply 14):
Every car eventually rusts, and can have failures that kill. Car companies know this.

Stop justifying Toyotas faults. We're not talking about rust.



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlinelowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3785 times:

If I was in the market and determined that Toyota fit what I was looking for, I wouldn't hesitate to buy one tomorrow. The toughest question for me would be a club cab Tacoma or a 4Runner? Granted I have only owned one other, but that was an 84 pickup with a diesel that went for over 300k miles before signifcant problems crept in.


Proud OOTSK member
User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 3):
Although the recalls are unfortunate and the corporation's handling of the situation has been abysmal, it's a problem that has affected very few people adversely.

You would still be playing Russian Roulette until all the safety issues are resolved.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 4):
Side note: In the past, Consumer Reports has had a history of giving glowing reviews of a Japanese brand while condemning a rival domestic brand even when the 2 vehicles tested in question either share the same components and/or roll out of the same factory.

I've always suspected that they're being paid off. The best person to get a good review from is your local mechanic. Most will tell you as it is, unless they are employed by a dealership.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):
Worst case scenario is that the car kills you and your family members become millionaires.

I'd like to see a sales guy use that line. 
Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 10):
Recalls or not I still loathe Toyota, and every other Asian brand out there for that matter.

  

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 11):
Tell ya what. Id rather have a car company tell me about things that COULD go wrong then have them lie to us and let their customers die while driving their products. Toyota deserves everything they get.

  

Quoting Flighty (Reply 14):
Every car eventually rusts, and can have failures that kill.

Not if you maintain it properly. Since I'm mechanically inapt when it comes to automobiles, I take my car down to the local shop to get it tuned up and the oil changed. My mechanic usually takes it for a spin and checks it over thoroughly. If he thinks anything is or will become an issue, he'll let me know and we will go from there. At the end of the day, on average, it only costs me $85.



No matter how random things may appear, there's always a plan.
User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3755 times:

Quoting TheCol (Reply 22):
You would still be playing Russian Roulette until all the safety issues are resolved.

I'm playing Russian Roulette every time I step out my front door; actually, every time I step out of my bed.

The odds are greater for me to break my neck stepping out of bed than driving a Toyota that experiences uncommanded acceleration. I am more likely to die from a bee sting than driving a Toyota. I'm more likely to die just from driving on a highway in any old car than driving a Toyota.

Get the picture? The sensational headlines give us a sense of fear that is way out of proportion to the actual destruction these extraordinary events cause. As an audience, we've got to become a whole lot more skeptical and sophisticated when it comes to processing these types of headlines.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20377 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3755 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 20):
So thats how you justify unnecessary deaths? How many more will die by the end of all of Toyotas problems?

So... um... are you ever going to fly on an Airbus again?


25 Post contains images NIKV69 : I never have and never will.
26 PHLBOS : I am going to ask you a similar question that I asked Flighty earlier (which he did indeed answered). Had it been GM, Ford and/or Chrysler in this sa
27 MBMBOS : Yes.
28 cptkrell : As far as "sticking" accelerator pedals go, I should think that Michael Waltrip would want to know how exactly that defect works. He surely needs it w
29 PHLBOS : You're right. I believe this issue regarding the Toyotas is actually unintended/continual acceleration. I will try to use that in future postings on
30 DocLightning : Any DC-9 series aircraft? 737? 747? All have had some issues.
31 NIKV69 : None of which included the tail coming off. Yes I have flown all those.
32 Flighty : My friend, many tens of thousands of people have died in GM vehicles due to lackluster safety designs and cost cutting. Probably a full city worth of
33 GuitrThree : I don't know.. Was looking at a few local dealers ad's in Nashville paper a few weekends ago. One dealer had a low mileage '09 Camry for $13,999. Tha
34 Post contains images swissy : Could not agree more.... Perhaps rethink your view/opinion about the coil packs..... There is no reason not to buy Toyota... Cheerios
35 Post contains links and images Fly2HMO :
36 Photopilot : I've got over a million and a half kilometers in various Toyotas that I've owned and wouldn't hesitate to buy one again. Worst that has ever happened
37 mirrodie : Yes they do....except for the FJ Cruiser. Nice truck. There is too much bias there. If statistics are as they have been historically, a lot of people
38 TheCol : Those issues have long since been addressed. Until Toyota can prove that they've solved the problems with their vehicles, do you really want to buy o
39 Post contains links and images Aaron747 : You sure about that, or did you forget Boeing sent this bird back to its operator with a botched repair job? All manufacturers have made mistakes, ex
40 Post contains images Cadet57 : A coilpack failing, causing a CEL/ misfire wont kill me nor send me to a rapid, fiery death. I thought it was because JAL punctured the pressure bulk
41 NIKV69 : So your comparing a crash that was due to a repair after the plane was built to AA587? Interesting but doesn't hold water.
42 AeroWesty : One word: Corvair. Second word: Pinto.
43 theredbaron : Calling Doc....!!! I dont like Toyotas because they are boring, and if the gas gets stuck or acelerates just press the on switch 3 secs and be done w
44 Post contains images Springbok747 : Um..shouldn't it be zero? If my car ever accelerated on its own like that I'd be scared s*it! Luckily we've never, ever owned a Toyota...or any other
45 Post contains images MoltenRock : Riiiight. Cheap rhetoric is just that, cheap. My father has a 1985 black Supra he's owned since new and only 38,000 miles on it and perfectly mint co
46 Aaron747 : JAL banged the tail on the runway, cracked the bulkhead, and sent the bird back to Boeing for repairs. Boeing botched the repair and sent it back to
47 Flighty : Lots of problems should be zero. But this is a human world. People don't appreciate how this is a typical event, one of a zillion minor slight danger
48 Aaron747 : Among other things - high fructose corn syrup, excess sodium in processed foods, and fast food restaurants routinely re-using hydrogenated cooking oi
49 ThirtyEcho : If you want to buy a Toyota, nothing can stop you.
50 cptkrell : PHLBOS: Re: your Rep 29; I was not directing my "unintended" vs "sudden" acceleration comments at you. The media uses both terms interchangeably with
51 Post contains images Flighty : !!!! That is sickening.
52 Danny : 1. No car is 100% safe. 2. Quicky and easy. 3. Just as every car manufacturer. 4. Pure speculation. 5. Just as every car manufacturer. On average tho
53 theredbaron : LOL, I keep 2 shotguns in case the first jams and kidnappers take advantage of that. If its your time, its your time, be a banana on the floor, a wei
54 Post contains images PHLBOS : As I stated in my first reply, since I've never owned Toyotas; this news frenzy regarding Toyota's recalls not going to influence my car purchasing d
55 NIKV69 : Granted but Toyoyta was not ignorant to potential problems and chose to do nothing till it got out of control.
56 Aaron747 : No dispute there. I've posted several times on the total lack of organization where their internal corporate communications are concerned - so no sur
57 Post contains images swissy : Think again... just last Friday... it happen to my sis in-laws finance while driving home in his 03 GTI.... far from just a misfire the bloody car st
58 Post contains images Cadet57 : So to solely blame Boeing isnt fair. Something other than a coilpack failed then too. As ive blown a coilpack and the car ran. Actually, I blew a coi
59 swissy : Well friend in his case the car stopped... went down to get him and just for fun we tried to start it up again.. it was sort of running again albeit
60 mirrodie : Toyota should be announcing serious sales today. ....maybe I should look at that FJ Cruiser again.....
61 Post contains images CaliAtenza : The only Toyota's i want (read Supra, MR2, Celica, AE86) are ones that are not produced anymore .
62 PHLBOS : You might as well; IIRC, 2010 will be the final year for the FJ Cruiser. This decision was made well before any recall issues came about.
63 IMissPiedmont : The recall is not the reason I wouldn't buy a Toyota, it's because they don't last a real long time unless you papmer them.
64 ACDC8 : Define "pamper" ... as long as you keep it well maintained theres no reason why they wouldn't last as per many other brands on the market ... I don't
65 777ER : Has Toyota increased advertising in your country? Here I've noticed more advertising in the last week on both TV and in the papers, including sales on
66 Ltbewr : The latest news reports are saying that Toyota is making it impossible for 3rd parties to examine the on-board computers. Apparently Toyota has the on
67 PHLBOS : Toyota advertisements have picked up during the last week or so in the Greater Philadlephia area.
68 cptkrell : ltbewr wrote (Rep 66): "...and GM also issued a large recall for their Cobalt and related models due to a power steering problem." Interestingly, this
69 Fly2HMO : You can hack/crack car ECU hardware/firmware just like you can in a computer.
70 kevinl1011 : This is 90% the reason that Toyota is the target. I've been around the car biz over 40 years and every manufacturer compromises ultimate vehicle safe
71 Springbok747 : Same here. They seem to have some great offers too..like a new Camry for $25,000 drive away. Even though the recalls haven't really affected this par
72 Post contains images kevinl1011 : I know from personal experience that GM and Mercedes have had this capability since the early '90's and most all manufacturers since 1996 (OBDII). Th
73 Post contains images RayChuang : Besides the acceleration issue, problem is that Toyota cars are kind of boring to drive. My next car will either be this: 2010 Honda Fit hatchback or
74 Cadet57 : Id go with the Fiesta over the Fit. A friend has one, its a bit too bland and cheap feeling to me. Good car, to be sure, but it just doesn't feel all
75 Post contains images RayChuang : Cadet57, I've test-driven the 2010 Fit Sport AT and frankly, Honda needs a better automatic to better match the L15A i-VTEC engine on that car. Hopefu
76 theredbaron : So true and in Most cases very dangerous compromises, but it seems Toyota had the missfortune that the media is using this tragedies to bring ´em to
77 Post contains images ACDC8 : At least cars still come with a manual ... I'm dreading the day when we have to download and print them off ourselves ... BTW, nice to see you back K
78 Post contains links Cadet57 : You can now even enjoy Toyota's legendary quality right from your home! http://toyotasimulator.com/
79 Ken777 : I first bought a Toyota in'70 when the new Corollas came out and it was an outstanding car. Overall, I have purchased 6 Toyotas. They were all outstan
80 Flighty : Totally right IMO. You compare a 1980s to pre-1995 Toyota product, to today's Toyota, you are going to see that the earlier car was built to a higher
81 Post contains links Baroque : A third word to add, Nader. AFAIK Toyota has never done this: In 1965, when he was 31 years old, Nader published a seminal book, "Unsafe at Any Speed
82 Ken777 : Or their success at not getting caught.
83 Post contains images Baroque : Well both, now you come to mention it!!
84 Flyingwaeldar : As mentioned before these are alleged death and the numbers seem to be rising fast since the ambulance chasers got involved. What makes me wonder is
85 kevinl1011 : Well, yes it is. Camry passed the Ford F-150 as "Americas best selling vehicle" sometime in 2006- 2007 when gas prices went up to 5 bucks a gallon. N
86 Post contains links theredbaron : I agree, but hey look at the bright side, now Americans can enjoy GM FORD AND CHRYSLER crappy cars, and Toyota will make even better cars, that maybe
87 Post contains links and images theredbaron : And now we have this: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/toyota...r-rescued/story?id=10046912&page=2 WoW now Doc knows a Lunchbox with wheels (sorry Pr
88 PHLBOS : Key exerpt (IMHO) from your posted link towards the bottom of the article (bold emphasis added): Just as top Toyota honchos were to testify in Washin
89 VonRichtofen : Well I went to my local auto show today. One good reason NOT to buy a Toyota: They are easily the most bland, boring cars on the market. They're toast
90 kevinl1011 : Funny thing, in that thread I posted that that biggest reason not to buy a GM, at that time, was because of service department delays due to parts ba
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Sunday 2/21/10 - Who's At Work Right Now! posted Sun Feb 21 2010 12:03:38 by varigb707
This Is Why I Will Never Buy An Apple Computer posted Thu Feb 18 2010 05:47:55 by Birdwatching
What Are You Listening To Right Now? posted Sat Jan 16 2010 08:22:33 by AirPacific747
What Are You Listening To Right Now? posted Mon Dec 21 2009 09:37:21 by AF340
Are You Stuck At Any U.S. Airport, Right Now? posted Sat Dec 19 2009 18:17:15 by Varigb707
What Are You Listening To Right Now? posted Sun Oct 25 2009 18:12:32 by Phoenix9
Should I Buy The Itouch Now, Or Wait? posted Fri Jun 5 2009 22:14:50 by B747forever
What Are You Listening To? Right NOW! posted Wed May 20 2009 12:52:39 by AF340
How's Your Weather Right Now? posted Sun Dec 14 2008 16:52:08 by ScrubbsYWG
Anybody Depressed Right Now? posted Tue Aug 26 2008 22:16:15 by Af773atmsp