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Charlie Rangle Asks For "leave Of Abscence"  
User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1673 times:

Well, well; Congressman Charlie has just asked Nancy Pelosi for a "leave of abscence" until ethical investigations can be completed. About time, if you ask me. He should've just resigned IMHO. Regards...jack


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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8149 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

Charlie Rangel lacks honor, integrity, gumption, responsibility, and all the usual adjectives that follow. What a joke.


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User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4278 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

He saw the writing on the wall. The Republicans were going to call for a vote to remove him from his chairmanship today. He has no Republican support and not much Democratic support. He should have resigned a while ago. I hope that he is kicked out if the ethics investigations reveal that Rangel did what he is accused of doing (which I think he most likely did do).

It is, however, only a temporary resignation from his position. Link

Texan



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User currently offlineredflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4327 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

Regardless of one's political stripes, this is a classic example of why there should be term limits on all members of Congress. Congressman Rangel has been in his seat since 1971. I don't care what one's political stripes are or how strong their moral values are, 40 years in the same seat will breed corruption and imbue one with undue influence, not to mention hubris.

By the way, how many House Ways and Means chairman have been tainted by scandal in recent years? Maybe it's time to break this committee up and dilute the influence that it has.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11337 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1592 times:

I don't agree that there should be mandatory term limits. If the people of a district don't like you, they'll limit your term, which you have to earn every 2 years.

With that said, Rangel has to go. If the people of his district want to keep him in Congress, that's fine. That's their right. But right now, he's the leader of a committee which oversees things that effect me. He is in this capacity a representative of me as well, and I do not approve of his being there.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

Problem is... there is no 'leave of absence' for the position he holds.


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1539 times:

IF he was a republican her would have already been executed by the deomocrats.

The double standard of the Polosi house is well in evidence.



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User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4278 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1527 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 6):
IF he was a republican her would have already been executed by the deomocrats.

The double standard of the Polosi house is well in evidence.

And in years when Republicans are in power the process is reversed. Both parties are crooked. There is an ethics investigation into Rangel already. If it finds he did something improper, which I think it will, then he will be asked to resign before they kick him out. Same process for both parties.

And Rangel has already been executed by the Republicans. So I don't quite see what your point is. But anyway, have a nice day!

Texan



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User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1505 times:

I suspect the best thing for Rangle to do is to make it clear very soon that he will retire at the end of his current term. That would mean the local Democrats could find a replacement to run in his place in the general election in November as well as enough time to properly review him/her before the election. This would be a 'safe' district for Democrats with no possible way a Republican would win (Rangle's district is based in Harlem section of NY City, a 90% Black and Hispanic populated one). The proposed replacement would be Black or Hispanic, thus preserving the necessary representation of non-white citizens there and throughout the country.

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21625 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1497 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
I don't agree that there should be mandatory term limits. If the people of a district don't like you, they'll limit your term, which you have to earn every 2 years.

In theory I'd agree, but in practice the power of incumbency is tremendous, particularly in the House. That's why we really need the term limits - to force the turnover that is desperately needed.

-Mir



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User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2723 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1494 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
In theory I'd agree, but in practice the power of incumbency is tremendous, particularly in the House. That's why we really need the term limits - to force the turnover that is desperately needed.

Especially with the gerrymandering that is donw with district lines. They are redrawn to favor the incumbents. Hard to vote them out when the district is redrawn to have a majority for either party. they estiemate that more than 2/3's of the districts have been redrawn to have no competition. This is something they do in tandem. Term limits and repeal the 17th amendment



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User currently offlineredflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4327 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
I don't agree that there should be mandatory term limits. If the people of a district don't like you, they'll limit your term, which you have to earn every 2 years.

In theory it should work that way. In real-world practice, unfortunately, it doesn't. I don't know if the statistic still holds true, but at one time it was shown that Incumbency guarantees a better than 90% chance of re-election in the House. Regardless, you can't convince me that 40 years in the same office is healthy for a constituency. 40 years in the same office most assuredly guarantees that one will lose touch with reality. Mr. Rangel may know his constituents well, but I guarantee he knows every trick in the book for wielding power in a corrupt or, at the very least, unethical manner. I don't say this because he's a Dem; I would say this for anyone in his shoes. While I may lean right in the political spectrum, I most definitely do not trust ANY politician, least of all a professional one and regardless of their affiliation. I say throw the bums out after a set limit of time.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11337 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1411 times:

Quoting redflyer (Reply 11):
In theory it should work that way. In real-world practice, unfortunately, it doesn't.

Are you sure it doesn't? The only people on this thread that want Charlie Rangel removed (via term limits) are those that are NOT his constituents. As much as Michelle Bachman is hated by libs (or trumpeted, depending on whom you ask), she's popular in her district. The ONLY people who are for term limits are for term limiting other people's congressional reps out. Not their own, unless they vote the other party.



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User currently offlinestratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1653 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1402 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 12):
Are you sure it doesn't? The only people on this thread that want Charlie Rangel removed (via term limits) are those that are NOT his constituents. As much as Michelle Bachman is hated by libs (or trumpeted, depending on whom you ask), she's popular in her district. The ONLY people who are for term limits are for term limiting other people's congressional reps out. Not their own, unless they vote the other party.

You make valid points...Problem is Bachman isn't accused of the things Rangel is.

[Edited 2010-03-05 19:40:24]


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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11337 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1388 times:

Quoting stratosphere (Reply 13):
You make valid points...Problem is Bachman isn't accused of the things Rangel is.

Of course, but scandal isn't the usual jusyifaction for instituting term limits.



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User currently offlineredflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4327 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 12):
Are you sure it doesn't? The only people on this thread that want Charlie Rangel removed (via term limits) are those that are NOT his constituents. As much as Michelle Bachman is hated by libs (or trumpeted, depending on whom you ask), she's popular in her district. The ONLY people who are for term limits are for term limiting other people's congressional reps out. Not their own, unless they vote the other party.

You bring up a good point, but it only goes to show that we, as human beings, only act in our own self interests without consideration of others. People like Mr. Rangel serve the best interests of their constituency, but sometimes to the detriment of others. Why should an extremely small number of people in New York state have an impact on my way of life in Phoenix, Arizona, or, for that matter the other 299,000,000 million other Americans out there?



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6810 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1308 times:

Quoting redflyer (Reply 3):
Regardless of one's political stripes, this is a classic example of why there should be term limits on all members of Congress.

Fully agree.


User currently offlineUS330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3871 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1296 times:

I wonder where he'll be. I hear, though, that the DR is nice this time of year...   

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21625 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1295 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 12):
The only people on this thread that want Charlie Rangel removed (via term limits) are those that are NOT his constituents.

Here's one constituent who would really like to see him term-limited out.

-Mir



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1286 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 12):
The only people on this thread that want Charlie Rangel removed (via term limits) are those that are NOT his constituents.
Quoting D L X (Reply 12):
The ONLY people who are for term limits are for term limiting other people's congressional reps out.

That's probably true for every congressman and their constituents out there, but under term limits, they would all be limited, not just the ones you or anyone else don't like. These limitations won't necessarily bring about much political change if you ask me, nor do I think they are absolutely necessary, but from a corruption stand point it could make a difference.

If not term limits than maybe have them take "vacations" at the end of their second or whatever term, perhaps equal to the number of years they served.



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