TechRep From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 980 times:
Pound for pound who was the greatest heavyweight boxer to ever live? Whatever your answer, back it up with fact not just the name of the fighter. Please take into consideration the whole career not just certain periods.
Saintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 924 times:
Probably someone like John L Sullivan. In those days they were bare fist fighters with not a lot of rules and fight till you drop. I doubt that the modern day fighters could put up with it, although most of them are technically superior.
Ryanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3219 posts, RR: 17 Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 908 times:
1. Lennox Lewis - technically the best fighter, wide array of moves and slowing tactics. Difficult to faze, and always just keeps coming back.
2. Mike Tyson - ferocious, driven power. An awesome fighting machine in his heyday
3. Muhammed Ali - the personality. Okay, he wouldn't get into the top 10 on ability, but his character and courage made him the man he was.
I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
NWA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1200 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 902 times:
Lennox Lewis. He is quick and if he is in shape, he is a punching machine. he is just incredibley skilled. Lennox lewis=destroying mike tyson June 8th.
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KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 76 Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 898 times:
If Lennox Lewis was so great, he would not have let himself turn into a fat, lathargic bastard and get blasted by Hasim Rachman.
Anybody who actually knows anything about boxing would not say this about Ali's ability "Okay, he wouldn't get into the top 10 on ability". Ali punished his opponents. He was as charasmatic in the ring, as he was out, and that translated into a great ring performance everytime. I am also a huge Joe Frasier fan. My top heavyweight would either be Frasier or Ali. Then to drop names like Joe Lewis, George Foreman, Ken Norton, ect all better than today's "top" fighters.
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AA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13975 posts, RR: 59 Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 869 times:
TYSON, from the late 80's early 90s. hands down. ali was the greatest talker, he could fight too. but tyson in his peak vs ali in his peak, tyson would put him down in less than 5 rounds. he just has so much brute force.
i do like the ivan drago answer. that is my nick name! (drago)
KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 76 Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 863 times:
Tyson in his prime vs. Ali in his Prime would go to Ali, HANDS DOWN. The level of competition Ali faced was 10 times that of Tson. It's funny, everyone says Ali was a good "talker", because thats all you know about him. He was a great fighter as well. He had a big size advantage over Tyson, pure skill advantage, and the experience of fighting good fighters...at least better ones than Tyson. Tyson in 5 rounds over Ali. That is like saying France will slap up Germany in a week.
Alpha 1. I forgot about the great Rocky Marciano. Great call.
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Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 862 times:
Unfortunately, KROC, these kids don't have a clue about Ali, and the great battles with Joe Frazier. Wasn't it the fight at Madison Square Garden when they, literally, almost killed each other? Greatest fight of all time.
Tyson couldn't beat Ali because Ali was a master stragegist, and he could think his way past Tyson-he'd play with the guy until he got frustrated. Tyson over Ali? What are they smoking?
KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 76 Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 860 times:
Alpha 1. I agree. Thing is, it's like when somebody asks about the greatest band, or song, or whatever, and everything listed is from like 1992 and up. Like there hasn't been great music since the 40's.........and further back. Too many fail to realize there is more out there that just what they know/see.
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Ihadapheo From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 6026 posts, RR: 59 Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 860 times:
I have to agree with C72 and go with Cascious Clay/ Muhammed Ali, the hand speed and footwork where something to behold
as for present day it's a three way tie
1) Tyson
2) Oprah
3) Rosie
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AA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13975 posts, RR: 59 Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 852 times:
thats where you under estimate me, i have seen frazier vs ali, foreman vs ali.. rumble in the jungle, you name it i have seen it, on classic sports. so i do know what im talking about, i just havent seen anyone dominate like tyson has. i would want to see foreman vs tyson.. that would be awesome
KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 76 Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 842 times:
AA61hvy, if you saw all the classic fights, then you would know that Tyson could not hang against Ali, or Fraiser, or Louis and Marciano for that matter. You talk about Tyson dominating his opponets? While Tyson was fighting Michal Spinx, Ali was fighting Fraiser, Norton, Foreman ect. There goes that arguement.
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Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 839 times:
AAA61hvy, Tyson "dominated" because he was up against a bunch of nothing fighters. The first time he fought anyone near decent-and that was Buster Douglas-he got knocked out.
Tyson domninated the fighters he dominated, because he fought a bunch of losers. Ali was around during the time of Smokin' Joe Frazier, George Forman, Ken Norton...all were very good fighters. Tyson can't hold a candle to Ali, any time, anywhere. That's just absurd to think otherwise, and it shows me you don't know what your talking about, with all due respect.
AA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13975 posts, RR: 59 Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 834 times:
i dont know if you just dont like me or what but i do have an opinion. when he fought buster douglas he had just divorced his wife, and thats why he lost. i saw that on the mike tyson true life story or something. if douglas was so good why did holyfield beat his butt like none other? and douglas lost the belt, and no one has heard anything since. i mean ali could hit but look at the body mass of ali against tyson. i love ali, but tyson is one bad boy
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25 AA61hvy: what ever happend to tyson fighting holyfield? if holyfield is a nothing fighter than i dont know who is a good fighter, because he is an all around g
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27 KROC: AA61hvy. Give me a break. Douglas beat Tyson because Tyson ws not prepared. It was not because he just divorced his wife. As for Holyfield, yes, he WA
28 Alpha 1: AA61hvy, Ali was bigger than Tyson; Ali was stronger than Tyson; Ali was quicker than Tyson; Ali had far more endurance than Tyson ever had; Ali could
29 NWA: guys, soory to say this, LEwis is not fat. he was winning the rahman fight but was hit in the worst place possible. lewis is no where near fat, and I
30 KROC: NWA. No offense by Vivid friend, but maybe you should learn about boxing, because you only mentioned current fighters...and Ali. First off, when Lewis
31 AA61hvy: i cant wait to see this fight with tyson and lewis.. where is it? i mean both these guys are monsters. but i have never seen tyson act so insane befor
32 KROC: AA61hvy: Tyson is acting "insane" because he is scared. He does not, and I don't care what he or anyone else says, does not want to fight Lewis. Lewis
33 Tbar220: KROC, Lewis might be missing a chunk of his leg after the fight, but it will be worth the prize purse.
34 Tbar220: Eddie Murphy (Barber): "You must be out of your goddamn mind. Joe Lewis was the greatest boxer that ever lived! I'll be with you boys in a minute. He
35 Alpha 1: Anyone who is willing to shell out good money to see the fighters of today are totally off their rocker, if you ask me. I wouldn't PAY to see any of t
36 FSPilot747: Good god, as unbelievable as it sounds, I am going to have to agree 100% with Alpha on this one. Anyone who thinks Muhammad Ali was just a talker and
37 NWA: I have seen alot of Ali fights thanks to ESPN classics. I have seen many frasier fights. They both were great fighter, dont get me wrong. I do think t
38 KROC: My man NWA, let me break this down. I do think though that lewis could beat both of them in there primes when lewis was in his prime. I do respect you
39 Alpha 1: Tyson was NOT stronger than Ali in his prime-he wasn't in as good of shape; he wasn't the boxer Ali was; he didn't fight the competition Ali did. Lewi
41 NWA: Alpha 1, I do with my money what I want. If thats how I want to spend it, thats what I will spend it on. Before you start calling me a sucker, watch y
42 KROC: Easy NWA. I am positive Alpha 1 is not "personally attacking" you, but he is just using a sayin or quotes that go along with the situation. It's not p
43 Alpha 1: It isn't personal NWA. But just my opinion on paying for something that, if history is any indication, will be a sham anyway.
44 AA61hvy: i disagree alpha, the holyfield tyson fight wasnt a sham, that was hyped up too.
45 KROC: THere is only one fight I would consider paying for. De La Hoya vs. Vargas.
46 NWA: I bet you would pay $50 for the first fraiser-Ali fight. I know I would. I change my mind, ruiz is the best ever.
47 NWA: I may get that one. They hate each other so much its gotta be good.
48 Alpha 1: Uh, AA61hvy, Tyson-that great fighter?-bit off Holyfield's ear, for God's sake! That's not a shame to you? It is to me-it's a complete farce! And no N
49 NWA: I know you could, my dad would watch the fights. I think you miss out on aot of boxing matchs, and I dont think alot of matches are fixed. for as grea
50 Alpha 1: How is it my loss? You just reamed me for making an opinion on how you spend your money, then you turn around and do the same thing to me. NO, I would
51 Hartsfieldboy: I'm not that into boxing, but any boxer who won in a fisticuffs match of the early 20th century gets a checkmark in my book. Has anyone seen Tyson fig
53 NWA: I did not call you a sucker, I just think its your loss. there is a huge differnce from calling names and saying its your loss. dont confuse one with
54 Alpha 1: Maybe you've watched old fights, and listened to old music, but that doesn't mean that Korn was better than The Beatles or the 'Stones. It also doesn'
55 NWA: I know of people that have seen the same you have and agree with me. Boxers like forman say lewis could beat Ali. thats right, there is no way to tell
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