bwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1329 posts, RR: 4 Posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1628 times:
On yesterdays global podcast, the BBC ran a piece about birth defects in Falujah. The audio report on the podcast was shocking enough, the video on the BBC news website is even more so.
"[the BBC correspondent] saw children in the city who were suffering from paralysis or brain damage - and a photograph of one baby who was born with three heads."
"Doctors and parents believe the problem is the highly sophisticated weapons the US troops used in Fallujah six years ago."
The US army allegedly used shells with depleted uranium and incendiary white phosphorus munition.
The US military responded to the reports by saying that they are not aware of any health problems in the region, and added "Unexploded ordinance, including improvised explosive devices, are a recognized hazard." Though personally I fail to see the relation between three headed babies and IED's...
Though there is still no direct proof linking the use of said munition to the birth defects, there is no denying that these defects do occur in regions were there was heavy fighting, and where those nasty weapons were used...
Baroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 60 Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1580 times:
Quoting bwest (Thread starter): Though there is still no direct proof linking the use of said munition to the birth defects, there is no denying that these defects do occur in regions were there was heavy fighting, and where those nasty weapons were used...
It appears to be a story that is not going to go away. The other factor is the effects of wrecked sewers and whatever water supply system they have now.
If the cause is DU, it would have to be the toxicity of U dusts and very little seems to be known about this - as in published, though it is difficult to believe that research has not been done in the lab. Even non depleted U has such a long half life it is not especially dangerous, although the daughter elements from decay are a different matter entirely.
Baroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 60 Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1449 times:
FYI, prusming you mean American Weapons & Deformed Children Of Falluja (by OA260 Jan 30 2010 in Non Aviation)?threadid=2181148&searchid=2183488&s=American+Weapons+and+Deformed+Children+of+Falluja#ID2183488
was shut down and archived after 5 days and 30 replies.
Quoting cptkrell (Reply 2): Wasn't this discussed at length in the "American Weapons and Deformed Children of Falluja" thread, started back on 30 January?
30 replies is at length?
BTW is was started on Jan 31, so as far as I would be concerned Feb 1 2010.
Most of the discussion seemed to centre on the credentials of the journalist in The Guardian although we did discover an episode of careless use of defoliants containing dioxins during the Vietnam war more or less by accident.
Since Jan 2010 we have (inter alia): http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/sh...hat-is-causing-deformities-in.html Alastair Hay, an environmental toxicologist at the University of Leeds, UK, told the Today programme on Radio 4 that it is difficult to say what might have caused the deformities at this stage, although a paediatrician seeing these cases would be "extremely concerned".
"You would need to do something fairly systematic. You would have to rule out genetics, which could explain the number of cases in one family. It could be nutritional or seasonal factors, and environmental factors could be dealt with by a number of measurements in the area."
Hay said an investigation would need to try and look at families where the children have got deformities, match them with other families where the children have been born healthy, and see if there is anything in common between the families that have the problem. This, he said, could be where they lived, what they experienced in the past during the war, or what their diet is like.
The article goes on the point to the cancellation of a US enquiry in 2005 that might have provided more definitive evidence in relation to the Vietnam issues. Similar questions were raised over the Vietnam war when Agent Orange, a herbicide containing the dioxin TCDD, was sprayed by the US army over rainforest to prevent it providing cover for hostile forces. The chances of a definitive answer were lost when the US government cancelled an investigation into it in 2005, but some blame it for deformities of the children and grandchildren of those exposed to it.
If it were me, I would be putting in a team of epidemiologists - assuming of course it is safe enough. Whatever IS the cause it cannot be as bad as what will be assumed to be the cause in the absence of a proper study.