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Wow, There Is Still A Communist Party In America  
User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1567 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3993 times:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA

hmmn interesting..i thought this would have been banned a long time ago...

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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3990 times:

Quoting CaliAtenza (Thread starter):
hmmn interesting..i thought this would have been banned a long time ago...

People stopped caring much about this after the communism scares in the 50s, when everyone to your left and right was thought to be a communist. They really don't have much say in modern politics, and they're following is minimal at best.



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User currently offlineevomutant From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3988 times:

Why on Earth would they be banned?

User currently onlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8795 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3972 times:

Quoting CaliAtenza (Thread starter):
hmmn interesting..i thought this would have been banned a long time ago

Why would it be banned?



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User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3967 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
Why would it be banned?

I agree. Why should it banned? Just because it's a bad idea doesn't mean people shouldn't be able to voice their opinion.


User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2720 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting CaliAtenza (Thread starter):
hmmn interesting..i thought this would have been banned a long time ago...

Now that's FUNNY, considering it comes from the "Land of Free Speech". If you have to resort to banning other viewpoints (whether misguided or not), then you are no better than that which you try to silence.


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2967 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

And there is also an American Nazi Party: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Nazi_Party


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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3930 times:

If you would read the book "Mig Pilot" one of the things the helped Lt Belenko decide to defect to the west, was when the political officer was telling him how bad the the Communist Party was treated in the United States. He relized that the United States citizens must have freedom, unlike they were told, because the USSR would never let there be Capitalist Party.

User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2713 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3919 times:

Quoting CaliAtenza (Thread starter):
i thought this would have been banned a long time ago...

They just call themselves progressives and liberals now.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8036 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3822 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 8):

They just call themselves progressives and liberals now.

Given that there are still active Communist and Socialist parties with established platforms, it's hard to say this is actually the case.

http://www.democrats.org/a/party/platform.html

http://www.progressivepartyofamerica.org/party-platform

A cursory examination of the above websites, when compared with the following, will yield substantial differences of opinion. While there are several things in the progressive platform that can be enumerated as compatible with Socialist ideas, they are not one and the same ideology though plenty of people see fit to use them interchangeably.

http://www.cpusa.org/cpusa-constitution/

http://socialistparty-usa.org/platform/

This is symptomatic of the way in which the current bottoming out of political discourse has rendered words that once had meaning useless in a lot of discussions.

Just for the sake of disclosure, the platforms I most closely identify with are these:

http://www.modernwhig.org/
http://www.lp.org/platform



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User currently offlinePacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 963 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3818 times:

Quoting CaliAtenza (Thread starter):
i thought this would have been banned a long time ago...

  

Huh? Are political parties routinely banned in the United States?


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 15):
Just for the sake of disclosure, the platforms I most closely identify with are these:

http://www.modernwhig.org/

Wow, thanks for posting that, I didn't realize there was a modern whig party. I'd say I definitely associate myself with them far more than democrats and republicans.


User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 10):
Huh? Are political parties routinely banned in the United States?

They should all be equally banned frankly. Keeps the extremists from organizing to harm Americans. Also forces politicians to campaign based on qualifications rather than platform. George Washington warned us about them.

While I have my beef with the Dems and Reps, the Communists and the Nazis are truly dangerous and psychotic. Freedom of speech is important, but don't forget how these groups siezed power in Germany and Russia. The motives of political parties are simply control.

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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3786 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 8):
They just call themselves progressives and liberals now.

Post of the week!

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 10):
Huh? Are political parties routinely banned in the United States?

Thankfully no. I was equally appalled by the OP post but in this country your allowed to think what you want and if your view is considered extreme you don't have to fear bans or censorship. Though you may end up on MSNBC's thought police.


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3783 times:

Quoting Airport (Reply 11):
Wow, thanks for posting that, I didn't realize there was a modern whig party. I'd say I definitely associate myself with them far more than democrats and republicans.

The Modern Whigs are trying to attract the moderate Democrats and Republican that are disillusioned by those parties as well those with no current party identification because of the lack of a party whose own beliefs closely mirror their own. I fall into the latter category, as while I consider myself a libertarian, I did not agree with everything the Libertarian Party is for. I think that the Modern Whigs stand a good chance as it looks as though the Bob Barr candidacy further splintered the LP in a similar manner as when Pat Buchanan got the Reform Party nomination and splintered that party. If you use Facebook, there is a Modern Whig Party page there as well as a Twitter feed.





Quoting CaliAtenza (Thread starter):

hmmn interesting..i thought this would have been banned a long time ago...

To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a single political party in the US that has been banned. Many of them, especially far-left and far-right parties, just end up fading away because of the strict ballot access laws in many states that end up keeping such parties (as well as many more mainstream third parties and independent candidates) off of the ballot.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11617 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

There is nothing wrong with the ideal of communism; it's a word which has become associated with actions and beliefs which aren't true to it's original form. Due to human nature it was bound to fail and become what everybody remembers it for though.


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User currently offlinembmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 8):
They just call themselves progressives and liberals now.

How are progressives and liberals communists? Please explain.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5233 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3678 times:

Of course it has not been banned. Any true democracy allows for a broad spectrum of political beliefs in order for its citizens to make up their own mind as to which party they will support.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 13):
Quoting windy95 (Reply 8):They just call themselves progressives and liberals now.
Post of the week!

Be honest. Would the two of you really appreciate it if I were to come on here and call right wingers fascists?



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User currently offlineAverageUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3664 times:

The long-time leader (1959-2000) was Gus Hall (Arvo Hallberg) of Finnish parentage. [NYT obituary]

User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3660 times:

There's nothing wrong with communism. You probably only think there is due to years of cold-war propaganda.

It's actually a very admirable theory in principal, though, obviously in practise it is rarely effective.


User currently onlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8795 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3632 times:

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 19):
It's actually a very admirable theory in principal, though, obviously in practise it is rarely effective

It is NEVER effective, because it is based on a flawed assumption - that all people are equal in ambition, intelligence, integrity, work ethic and so forth. That's simply not true - we are not Borg.

Communism can never be achieved - it always stalls at the 'Dictatorship of the Proletariat' phase, if it even gets that far. The State is incapable of voluntarily abandoning control once it has it.



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User currently offlineAirStairs From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3613 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 20):
Quoting RJ111 (Reply 19):
It's actually a very admirable theory in principal, though, obviously in practise it is rarely effective

It is NEVER effective, because it is based on a flawed assumption - that all people are equal in ambition, intelligence, integrity, work ethic and so forth. That's simply not true - we are not Borg.

Communism can never be achieved - it always stalls at the 'Dictatorship of the Proletariat' phase, if it even gets that far. The State is incapable of voluntarily abandoning control once it has it.

I would agree with you and go a step further. Even if communist utopia were somehow attainable, I think there are serious moral problems with it (and I am talking about communist economics, not the thought-control baggage that generally comes with it). Practical considerations aside, I can say that I find capitalism normatively and morally superior to communism.


User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2713 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 17):
Be honest. Would the two of you really appreciate it if I were to come on here and call right wingers fascists?

Well it seems lately that right wingers have been tagged with racists, violent, hate groups. But try to say that the Liberal/Progressive movement is riddled with Communist/Socialist and everyone gets in a tizzy.

Quoting mbmbos (Reply 16):
How are progressives and liberals communists? Please explain.

The Progressive and liberal cause is riddled with communist. Since communism got a bad rap here they had to with a kinder, gentler approach to achieve their agenda.

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 12):
While I have my beef with the Dems and Reps, the Communists and the Nazis are truly dangerous and psychotic. Freedom of speech is important, but don't forget how these groups siezed power in Germany and Russia. The motives of political parties are simply control

Agree

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 9):
Just for the sake of disclosure, the platforms I most closely identify with are these:

http://www.modernwhig.org/

Thanks for that



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3571 times:

Quoting CaliAtenza (Thread starter):
i thought this would have been banned a long time ago...

Well, not banned, but most people (except these clowns apparently) realized long ago that Communism doesn't work.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 17):
Any true democracy allows for a broad spectrum of political beliefs

   Even the stupid ones.



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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8471 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3567 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 8):
They just call themselves progressives and liberals now.

Another conservative hit job that cant be backed up because I don't know any liberal including myself who wants to exterminate religion, throw opponents in gulags, kill freedom of speech, paint the flag red and drive a flimsy car. Full freedom of speech, freedom not to be religious or to be of any faith, gay rights, reasonable minimum wage, ergonomic conditions, marketable green technology, safe vehicles, choice in education and in health and equality for women isn't communism and those who don't share your political opinion aren't all stupid, this is not just your America.



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25 OA412 : Not it isn't. You complain about people painting the right wing with a broad brush then you do the same thing to the left wing. Two wrongs don't make
26 AirStairs : Those have nothing to do with communist economic ideology. But communist elites realized early on that they would not be able to implement their econ
27 DocLightning : This is partially true. Marx believed in "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." So he recognized differences in ability
28 Maverick623 : Riggghhhtttt...... So, according to you, "conservatives" are completely free of fascist and imperialistic ideas, where as "liberals" are mostly made
29 RJ111 : Precisely They are just 2 sides of a coin really. I don't see how one (in a pure form) is particularly more moral than the other.
30 Post contains images BMI727 : Anyone who thinks that Communism can work should take a ride in a Trabant. (Or a Chevy...sorry, couldn't resist) Well, that gets into philosophy, and
31 LMP737 : Probably because once you ban one group who's next?
32 Lufthansa411 : Actually, the exact opposite. Marx specifically wrote that "religion is the opiate of the masses" and that the only way people were going to break fr
33 mbmbos : Riddled with communists? Is this something you can prove or is this something you uncritically accepted as truth because somebody told you so?
34 afterburner : Calling all liberals and progressives communists is like calling all conservatives members of Ku Klux Klan.
35 OA412 : My point exactly. Neither is true, and doing so only serves to further erode the level of political discourse in this country.
36 BMI727 : ...because it is unrealistic in the real world. I can say with some certainty that the only party that is actually riddled with Communists is the Com
37 Dreadnought : Saying that all democrats are socialists and communists is obviously a huge exaggeration. But there is an unprecedented number of people in and around
38 mbmbos : As reflected how?
39 Maverick623 : Excellent. So, 20 years down the road, you could justify calling me a racist pilot after kicking off a drunk black person because my flight instructo
40 Post contains links PPVRA : The rise of the capitalist kibbutz Looks like even in a voluntary system people are dumping communism. In other words, the communists who have been tr
41 Superfly : Actaully they're called the Green Party. The Communist is having far more sucess under the name of the Green Party.
42 CaliAtenza : ok yeah i think thats a bit harsh. No i thought the Communist party would have been banned cause of the whole McCarthy witch hunt and the Red Scare b
43 CaliAtenza : its unrealistic because power left in the hands of a few (read the Politburo, etc) will ruin the rest. Plus we are Humans, we all thirst for power in
44 474218 : The McCarthy were not a "witch hunt" but an investigation into "communist infiltration of the US Government".
45 CaliAtenza : well officially it was "an investigation" but in the end it turned out to be a "witch hunt" sadly.
46 Post contains links and images CALTECH : They have pulled the wool over blue collar democrats. http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_centu
47 OA412 : Very well said. We're talking about what someone did in the 60s with no proof that they still espouse those same radical beliefs today. I seem to rec
48 OA412 : Please delete. Duplicate post.[Edited 2010-03-07 13:11:01]
49 AirStairs : It is exactly that belief (from each according to his ability, to each according to his need) that I do find morally problematic. It basically enslav
50 Lufthansa411 : Thats the whole point of communism, there does not need to be "strategic industries" in place for it to work. Now, of course, I am sure Cuba is not c
51 OA412 : Of course they do. But are you suggesting that the Republican PR strategy has not been extremely successful in attracting a great deal of the working
52 DocLightning : Depends. Some cannot produce. The aged, the infirm, the young. And our system does not take very good care of those people.
53 Post contains images AirStairs : Your statement is a little surprising for two reasons: you show complete distrust in the ability of poor and middle class people to decide what is be
54 AirStairs : I am not arguing that there is no compelling reason to care for those people. In fact I think there are compelling reasons which arise out of rationa
55 OA412 : I do no such thing and you are making incredible leaps of faith vis-a-vis what my beliefs are and what my knowledge of the political system in this c
56 Post contains images AirStairs : Your argument is that the Republican PR strategy has persuaded the middle class and poor to vote against their interests. By even articulating that s
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