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F1 2010: Bahrain Grand Prix  
User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5189 times:

Hello all,

As our second off season thread has surpassed 300 posts and the first race is this weekend, I thought it would be fitting to begin our Race threads here.

This year we'll have 24 cars on the grid with 12 teams, a number of new drivers, and a 19 race calendar, with Korea being a new circuit, and Bahrain, Britian and Singapore having revised circuits.

As always it is advisable for the person opening the thread to provide a link to a lap around the circuit, and possibly give his/her top 5 or top 10 drivers.

So here goes nothing:

As this year Bahrain is having a new layout, we don't have an onboard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1Ja5OzpB7s
So Mark Webber in a simulator will have to do.

BlueElephant's Top 10 picks.

1. Alonso
2. Hamilton
3. Massa
4. Vettel
5. Schumacher
6. Button
7. Rosberg
8. Webber
9. Kubica
10. Kobayashi

Other F1 News:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/moto..._one/drivers_and_teams/default.stm
Driver and Team information here.

http://en.espnf1.com/mclaren/motorsport/story/10314.html
McLaren's radical rear wing is under scrutiny.


GO Hamilton and McLaren!

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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5167 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Thread starter):
http://en.espnf1.com/mclaren/motorsport/story/10314.html
McLaren's radical rear wing is under scrutiny.

GO Hamilton and McLaren!

The McLaren new car and the rear wing design are genius.
I can't wait until I see the cars for real in Monaco and see it performing on the track.

The FIA always has some budge with McLaren.  Wow!

Wish I could be in Bahrain to see the race.

Twenty F1 World Champions are going to be there and there will be 4 World Champions in the race Schumi, Alonso, Jenson Button and Hammy.

I must start thinking of getting some goodies for the signatures in Monaco, not any old piece of paper or picture or even a program. I need to think of better things!

Last year I had my First to Fly the A380 and Concorde special Tshirt signed by Hammy. He had a good look at it before he signed it. Not his usual signature item. I don't think I will come up with something as original this year.

  

I am really looking forward to this first race and the qualifying sessions - the whole thing!

Edited to add this link.

Follow the Fifth Driver on Twitter
I am leaving for Bahrain tomorrow!!!! Bag is packed with new track kit, new travel clothes, new luggage!!

http://twitter.com/TheFifthDriver

[Edited 2010-03-08 10:53:37]


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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8465 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5132 times:

Looking forward to seeing things getting back on track despite things being a bit of a joke already with USF1 failing to make it and Campos or hispania or whatever they want to be called now having no testing and almost not making it.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 1):
The FIA always has some budge with McLaren.

Actually other teams have requested the FIA look at the wing.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5130 times:

Quoting bill142 (Reply 2):
Looking forward to seeing things getting back on track despite things being a bit of a joke already with USF1 failing to make it and Campos or hispania or whatever they want to be called now having no testing and almost not making it.

I don't think USF1 will ever make it into F1, not next season, nor any other season. For me, it was a failed attempt at making F1 popular in the US again, but we all know that the US market mostly just cares about Indycar and NASCAR. Besides, even I know that F1 isn't as popular as it used to be thanks to its overregulation.

I just hope the circuit in Bahrain will bring some more action, which I also demand now with the refuelling ban.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2865 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5109 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 3):
I just hope the circuit in Bahrain will bring some more action

Not really the best track for it...



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17126 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5070 times:

Finally the new season will begin after a very long winter!

It will be a very exciting season with a lot of new drivers and teams. Will be really interesting to see how Schumacher will perform and also how Massa and Alonso will work together and if they will come along. It will also be interesting to see how Button will perform this season with McLaren and how his team mate, Hamilton will do.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4):
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 3):
I just hope the circuit in Bahrain will bring some more action

Not really the best track for it...

Correct. The Bahrain GP is usually "boring" because of all the testing occurring there during the year.


Can not wait until Sunday!



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User currently offlinewaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5066 times:

Can't wait for the race, other than the fact that I'll be on a cruise for the whole weekend so I won't be able to watch it live     I'll have to record it and stick my head in the sand until I can watch the whole weekend, qualifying and all, when I get back on monday. Blue Elephant, looks like you and I have almost the same hunch about the results, here are my top 5 from the preseason thread that I predicted a couple weeks ago-
1.Massa
2. Hamilton
3. Alonso
4. Schumacher
5. Webber

If I were to extend that into a top 10, here's what it would look like-

6. Button
7. Vettel
8. Sutil
9. Kubica
10. Rosberg


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5054 times:

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 6):

1.Massa
2. Hamilton
3. Alonso
4. Schumacher
5. Webber
Quoting BlueElephant (Thread starter):

1. Alonso
2. Hamilton
3. Massa

I hope your predictions come true 



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5047 times:

In any case, I'm not watching the match because I'm going to the Stadium on Sunday, watch St. Pauli against Oberhausen. I still hope Vettel can win this one.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5028 times:

I will be so happy to see them all racing again, never mind if the track is "boring" or not. The essential is that they will all be there and racing and there we go again with time differences with our own countries.

I have not looked what time the race will be in UK time/Central Europe time.

The same with the practices and qualifyings... and think of all the new rules... is there a clear nad concise summary anywhere?

Edited:

Check this one out... it is really nice!

http://mclaren.com/home

4 days 17 hours and some minutes...  spin 

[Edited 2010-03-09 10:25:42]


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User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4683 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4976 times:

In the modern aero age for GP racing I'm impressed that Ferrari has built a contender with Italian brainpower... Let's see if they can develop it over the season as much as the Brits will with the McLaren...

My predictions for the first race:

1. FA
2. LH
3. SV
4. M$
5. FM
6. JB
7. MW
8. NR
9. RB
10. NH

pole - FA
f. lap - FA
first dnf - Chandhok



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4927 times:

I see previous doubts about Schumacher's return have already been tossed aside, with some now placing him in the top 5 for the opening race 

In my (rather bias) opinion, I can see him making the podium. He looks to be in great shape and his times are looking good too - with Ross mentioning a major upgrade for Bahrain.

I would laugh my ass off if he were to make pole.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 9):
The same with the practices and qualifyings... and think of all the new rules... is there a clear nad concise summary anywhere?
http://www.formula1.com/ has a countdown on their homepage as well, along with the all various times for practice, etc.
As for changes, they've provided a summary here:
http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/ru...lations/sporting_regulations/8692/

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 8):
I'm going to the Stadium on Sunday, watch St. Pauli against Oberhausen.

Oberwho? If you were at least going to see HSV I'd forgive you  


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4886 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 11):
I would laugh my ass off if he were to make pole.

Everything is possible. We won't know for sure until we find out.

I see Hammy making pole with Kobayashi not very far behind him.  



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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8465 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4878 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):
Correct. The Bahrain GP is usually "boring" because of all the testing occurring there during the year.

Virtually no testing happens at Bahrain. Maybe one pre-season test in the pre-testing restriction years.


User currently offlineaerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7342 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4860 times:

I think Vettel will be good this year. Hoping Michael will prevail at season end.

User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2865 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4853 times:

Quoting aerorobNZ (Reply 14):
Hoping Michael will prevail at season end.

I hope not. I just hope he will not succeed at all and retires at the end of the season. I've been suffering his presence for the last 20 years now, and here he comes again? Man, leave me alone! Stay away!!



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5724 posts, RR: 44
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4851 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 12):
Kobayashi not very far behind him.

Not sure he will be fighting for front row grid spots early on but there seem to be several people with opinions about the Sauber's gentle treatment of it's tyres that could see it spring surprises late in races.

Dammit, someone else is writing my comments for me!!!

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 15):
I hope not. I just hope he will not succeed at all and retires at the end of the season. I've been suffering his presence for the last 20 years now, and here he comes again? Man, leave me alone! Stay away!!

Cheers



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4814 times:

It seems that the FIA has declared the rear wing legal. Some have said it as a "Simple but brilliant trick"

I'm very intrigued by this concept, as far as I understand it. The driver (HAM or BUT) can control the flow of air to the rear wing using his knee. When the knee is in a non braking position (a straight) air flows through the engine inlets and through the shark fin to stall the rear wing giving the Car a boost of 5-10kph advantange in the straight. And while braking (a corner) the air is blocked and the rear wing provides the needed downforce.

Does anyone else have any information?...did I summerize it accurately?

If the Internet rumors are true, then McLaren has developed on this concept for years, and a copy wouldn't be that easy.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4804 times:

I am extremely curious of the new MP4-25 and all the peculiarities about it. I will not miss the time when I can be at the garages during the Monaco GP. I will be spending as much time there as I am possibly allowed and take pictures of everything I can get.

I was thinking one thing... How could I get an official reporter pass to report the Monaco GP for the A.net forum?
Any idea if there is any possibility of getting any sponsoship of sorts from A.net to request a media pass?    

We already talked about this last year and even the year before. It would make life a lot easier during the GP and grant me access to the cars outside of racing time.

Any suggestions will be most welcome. Possible or not possible is a different story. The forum would certainly benefit from it and I could re-do the same at Monza. I don't want to take my hopes too high but as they say if you don't ask = you don't get.   



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4800 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 18):
Any idea if there is any possibility of getting any sponsoship of sorts from A.net to request a media pass?

I'd guess that you should get in touch with DM about this?



Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4794 times:

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 19):
I'd guess that you should get in touch with DM about this?

I would have to go through the head moderator. I don't know who he is.
I guess if they do this one time then more people will make the same request so maybe it won't happen.
Worthwile trying though... can you imagine... all the GP pictures!!!            



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4792 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 20):
I would have to go through the head moderator. I don't know who he is.

but even then, he will need to get DM to go onboard with that, since they own anet.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 20):
Worthwile trying though... can you imagine... all the GP pictures!!!

A couple of seasons I had special VIP passes for Interlagos, visiting the the cars, the mechanics, I even had MS five meters from me (but there was too much press in the way). I remember getting an autograph from Villeneuve, and the best part was that I had lunch with no other than Piquet - father and son- 



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5724 posts, RR: 44
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4770 times:
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Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 21):
I had lunch with no other than Piquet - father and son-

Was Nelsinho invited ... or did he crash the party?  



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5724 posts, RR: 44
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4769 times:
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Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 17):
The driver (HAM or BUT) can control the flow of air to the rear wing using his knee. When the knee is in a non braking position (a straight) air flows through the engine inlets and through the shark fin to stall the rear wing giving the Car a boost of 5-10kph advantange in the straight. And while braking (a corner) the air is blocked and the rear wing provides the needed downforce

Do you have a source?
IMO that would be very illegal. The driver is allowed no adjustment of any such device apart from the front wing.

My understanding is that some flow from the airbox intake is dirverted through a gearbox cooler and the outflow from this is directed to an exit nozzle in such a way that at certain speeds it flows over the wing leading edge thus temporarily stalling it.


Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 18):
I was thinking one thing... How could I get an official reporter pass to report the Monaco GP for the A.net forum?

Madame, you could try. A few years ago I had endorsement from a reasonably sized and well known publication to apply for press/photo credentials for the AGP in Melbourne and received a very nicely written "thanks but no thanks" letter from the organisers explaining how few media credentials were available from the local GP organisers. The vast majority of passes are issued by the FIA/FOM on an annual basis.
Having said that, good luck, you are most certainly more charming and persuasive than I.

Cheers



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4880 posts, RR: 37
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4767 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 23):
IMO that would be very illegal. The driver is allowed no adjustment of any such device apart from the front wing.

That would also be a moving aerodynamic device - which is itself highly illegal.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 20):

I would have to go through the head moderator. I don't know who he is.

No - the moderators will be of zero use on this issue (sorry guys). Try Paul (Panam DC10 I think his user name is). He would be much more helpful.


25 Post contains links BlueElephant : http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81997 A good Explanation can be found here...... and.... http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81990
26 GrahamHill : These engineers never cease to amaze me!
27 stealthz : Thanks Blue, I had missed that and the Autosport explanation differs somewhat to that given at Formula1.com Still not convinced of the legality of th
28 GrahamHill : Yes, there is something dodgy going on. But if the FIA said it was legal, then I would advise the other teams to start working on that system right aw
29 stealthz : They have said that about things before that never made it to the second race... anyone remember flexible floors?? Cheers PS It seems strange sitting
30 Post contains links and images flood : Unfortunately, I don't see the FIA issuing a press pass to a non-professional, shooting for an online forum primarily dedicated to aviation enthusias
31 BlueElephant : This has been an issue for weeks...it is a little dodgy, I admit that, but as stated by flood...I don't rightly see it as a movable aero device. Yes
32 Post contains images flood : Yeah, that's a good way to put it. I guess F1 wouldn't be F1 without some controversy. I'm happy to see speedtv will be broadcasting the 2nd practice
33 stealthz : I am not sure that is enough, unless they are an integral part of the wheel i.e NOT merely attached, they are not legal! James Allen blows a little b
34 Post contains links and images flood : Hey, I was just quoting the article The official F1 website describes it in much the same way: "For the 2010 season the FIA have outlawed the carbon
35 Post contains images stealthz : Oh I know and I hope you don't take my replies personally.. we never get personal here(well almost never!!) Just trying to help you catch up, you've
36 Post contains links MadameConcorde : It looks like there will be a big battle between McLaren and Ferrari with Alonso. Practice 1 results at this time: It was the 2 McLarens ahead a few m
37 Post contains images flood : Nah Yeah, and I do appreciate that! Also your note on the formula1.com website - that's good to know - I assumed they were an authoritative source. A
38 Post contains images MadameConcorde : 0830: The flag drops for the end of the session. Senna is fighting with his Hispania car as he battles to get it around the track. Sutil tops the list
39 Post contains images flood : First practice session is over and Senna only got 2 laps in. Chandhock zero. HRT is off to a promising start
40 Post contains links MadameConcorde : I should have gone to Bahrain. I just discovered that the place has a youth hostel, accredited with IYH charging extremely reasonable rates... only I
41 Post contains images cpd : So my guess is that McLaren with its dodgy wing will call for all the other teams to walk out of F1.... Not that it matters to me much - I'm a Merced
42 Post contains images Boeing74741R : Presumably you were worried from the 1991 Belgian Grand Prix and was thankful his clutch let him down early on that race. What will happen is you'll
43 Post contains images stealthz : Wouldn't Mercedes continual 3rd places to Red Bull seem kind of hollow without McLaren & the Scuderia??
44 bill142 : The whole wing issue is just jealousy that their designers were unable to come up with the idea first.
45 GrahamHill : It's weird to hear that name again! Indeed. But I saw him racing few month before that. I saw him at Le Mans with the Mercedes Junior Team. That's wh
46 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Looking at results they might be 'biased' by the fuel loads. Wondering how fuelled they all are? Is this going to be published later this evening? Is
47 stealthz : The fuel or other settings they run in today's and Saturday's practice sessions are irrelevent to all except the teams concerned and Qualifying will
48 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Handsome Pedro and King Kamui my two BMW-Sauber friends are parforming rather well in this afternoon's practice. They are now on the track so maybe th
49 Post contains images EZEIZA : great, a few hours form the first race and already the controversy starts I never care about practice results. They say nothing at all If McLaren and
50 Post contains images GrahamHill : Well, it's Formula One, isn't it? I guess it's in their DNA
51 Post contains images sudden : This is not an indication at all about the pace of the cars/drivers. Even the car who grabs P1 tomorrow can be the big loser on Sunday. Yep, take awa
52 trident3 : When the Brabham team re-intoduced the concept of re-fueling to F1 in 1982 the whole system was un regulated .At the time teams used to load their fu
53 bill142 : Especially now since they don't need to run on race fuel loads at any point during qualifying They will all start the race on 100% fuel loads since r
54 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I knew this already. Meanwhile the Monaco GP construction work has begun this week... last practice about to start before the afternoon's qualifyings
55 B747forever : Even though the one that grabs pole position may end up last in the race it will be really interesting to see how the drivers will try to push their
56 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Holy Cow! Glock's Virgin lost a tyre!! Front wheel came off... [Edited 2010-03-13 00:27:16]
57 sudden : And this you find funny??? Taking in to consideration what this have caused in the past, and can cause, keep the laughing to yourself. Aim for the sk
58 Post contains images MadameConcorde : No I don't find it funny - rather shocking as the mechanic(s) did not bolt the wheel nut properly so the wheel went off. A lot of them seem to have pr
59 flood : Chandhock didn't make it out again and hasn't completed a single lap in the practice sessions. I take it he's thereby not permitted to partake in qual
60 Post contains images MadameConcorde : This is very unfortunate for him - the car is not ready it seems. I do not think we will be seeing him on the lline up for qualifs. Oh... and Glock w
61 B747forever : If a driver doesnt complete a lap in any of the practice sessions he is not permitted to participate in the qualifying? Why wouldnt the driver be all
62 flood : According to Art. 31.2 of the regulations, "no driver may start in the race without taking part in at least one practice session."
63 B747forever : So he wont even race on Sunday? If that is, I feel sorry for him.
64 stealthz : Would seem to make participating in qualifying reasonably pointless in any case. I could see the authorities accepting some Force Majeure that kept a
65 MadameConcorde : Two possibilities that I have been using. Look them up on Google. Rojadirecta and Justin TV (look through the sports section there is always someone
66 B747forever : Thank you MadameConcorde, will look them up.
67 GrahamHill : Qualifying starts in few minutes! Leeeeeeeet's gooooooooooo!!!
68 Post contains images B747forever : Hehe, you are way to excited
69 Post contains images madameconcorde : Sir Jackie Stewart: "Controlling these cars when they are full of fuel is a bit like handling a pregnant elephant." i love this ha ha ha So it is the
70 GrahamHill : I am! On the other hand, I'm not excited at all with the newcomers. Take Hispania Racing Team, for example: they are 10 seconds behind the best laps!
71 Post contains images madameconcorde : Fully agree with you there. Kamui saved himself another turn but for how long? The McLaren boyz not doing too good either.... oooh Jenson barely made
72 B747forever : Yeah, Button barely made it along with Schumi.
73 madameconcorde : All drivers will have to start the race with full fuel and on the same tyres they use in Q3.
74 bill142 : Way to go captain obvious.
75 B747forever : Congrats to Vettel, he is fast! Massa and Alonso behind him with Hamilton as 4th. Will be interesting to see the start tomorrow.
76 GrahamHill : Congrats to Vettel!! Schumacher 7th, not a bad result at all. Btw, the new section of the track looks terribly bumpy!
77 Post contains images madameconcorde : Vettel, Massa, Alonso, Hamilton, Rosberg, Webber, Schumacher, Button Kubica and Sutil. There must definitely be some glitches with the McLaren... or
78 Post contains images sudden : My opinion is that the top 3 positions are fairly distributed. Vettel has not lost any form. Massa back to show that his accident didn't influense his
79 stealthz : But one does wonder how long he will be satsfied being 3-5tenths slower than Nico, anyone have any guess what he will do if that situation persists?
80 Post contains images GrahamHill : Retire?
81 Post contains images MIAspotter : Way to go for Sebastien. I am also happy to see Massa and Alonso up there, the cars look really fast and solid, I am also happy to see Massa back in t
82 Post contains images madameconcorde : Who will be on the racing track in Bahrain tomorrow: * Sir Jack Brabham * John Surtees * Sir Jackie Stewart * Emerson Fittipaldi * Niki Lauda * Mario
83 Post contains images cpd : I think you'll be paying royalties to Andy Roddick for that comment. I missed the entire qualifying thanks to the crazy TV schedules here.
84 stealthz : Sorry to hear that, I take it you aren't in Sydney at the moment. Well I guess none of us will make very good FIA stewards(but then not many of us ar
85 Photopilot : Anybody else having trouble logging into the LIVE TIMING feed from Formula One.com? I spent the full qualifying session trying to get logged in and go
86 sudden : Again......
87 EZEIZA : did not see tha qualis', but great result for Ferrari, and of course, for Vettel! I haven't been able to follow the last couple of days at all, except
88 stealthz : I had a problem Friday, partly self inflicted as I gould not remember password, requested it without success a couple of times then gave up and rereg
89 Post contains images madameconcorde : I preferred the days of old with Brabham, Surtees, Jochen Rindt RIP and Fittipaldi. They have now all become legends. There was not all that sophisti
90 Post contains images flood : Congrats to Vettel and the Scuderia Maybe his neck will mysteriously start hurting again? Oh, wait... I'm supposed to be cheering for the guy I'm happ
91 Post contains images madameconcorde : Some 'bug' with the new McLaren. From the BBC site: Hamilton said: "I was surprised with that result. We don't have the same pace as Red Bull and Fer
92 flood : I registered yesterday and had no problems logging back in for qualifying today, but noticed speedtv was running around 10 minutes behind. I didn't n
93 Photopilot : Here in Canada I have a choice of watching TSN and getting the BBC feed or Speed. The TSN feed is always on time, but I have noticed that Speed alway
94 Post contains links GrahamHill : It disappeared few years ago, when some cars had to do the qualifying with the fuel they had to take onboard at race start. Jean Todt said he was in
95 B747forever : Had exactly the same problem. Really frustrating! What do you mean? Sure they havent changed the knockout system in qualifying?
96 sudden : Just some info: On this track the cars burn 3kg fule per lap. So over the distance of 49 laps they will burn 147kg, or 147 liters of you wish. Aim for
97 Post contains images flood : I imagine BBC doesn't have as much advertising either eh? I shouldn't complain and am glad to have speedtv but US tv in general has a ridiculous amou
98 Post contains links flood : gotta love his first sentence, lol... "Hispania's Karun Chandhok: "We got out and it was a massive panic. I don't know what lap time I've done, even.
99 GrahamHill : That is seriously worrying! How can the FIA accept a team that will use the first race as a burn-in session?? (do you say "burn-in", by the way?)
100 B747forever : Oh, okay I see. Well do you like this new system better than the old one?
101 Post contains images flood : I agree, it's a rather dangerous prospect. Now that they're on the grid though I'll just cross my fingers and accept it for its comedy value At least
102 Post contains images GrahamHill : Spot on!
103 sudden : How about money as the main reason!? Aim for the sky! Sudden
104 flood : I think so... at least the front runners don't have to deal with as much traffic and others won't be ruining their flying laps. Think it's more excit
105 B747forever : Yeah, and it was even worse last season when Q3 was run with the fuel for the first part of the race.
106 flood : Wow, that's just wrong. I guess it would make qualifying all the more interesting but that's really bizarre and doesn't make a whole lot of sense to
107 GrahamHill : Yeah but come on, there's a limit...
108 flood : Well, the more I think about it, the more I prefer the old qualifying system. Now the front runners won't have as many problems with traffic ruining t
109 B747forever : Yeah, I see what you mean. The new system has its pros and cons. For instance today Vettel set the fastest lap 1:53.883 in Q2. He also set the fastes
110 stealthz : HRT are turning out to be somewhat of a farce. It is my opinion.. feeling or intuition perhaps if not opinion, that USF1 were perhaps in a better posi
111 sudden : I know what you mean, and I was not dissing your opinion. I can see why you are confused about this, but let me give you a small hint: tyres! Aim for
112 B747forever : Yeah, true but still as Flood said, it feels a little bit weird that the fastest lap overall in quali doesnt necessarily mean that one will get pole.
113 Post contains images GrahamHill : Shakedown! That's the word I was looking for! Thanks Stealthz You would not dare That's why I still consider Senna as the top pole position record ho
114 aerobalance : How does that come into play? Why is Ferrari up front with an all Latin brain-trust this year? Explain that one. You failed to mention that the HRT c
115 B747forever : He has an impressive number of poles to his name, 65 pole positions according wikipedia,
116 GrahamHill : The second best behind Schumacher. But Senna has a much better ratio pole/race.
117 B747forever : Yeah. But it seems, as of now that Bruno Senna cannot live up to his uncle! Maybe a little bit too early to judge him.
118 sudden : Q1 and Q2 are only knock-out sessions, and times set in those sessions means nothing in Q3. It's basically 3 different qualifying sessions. We have e
119 stealthz : Easy, they are a properly funded and experienced organisation who have been doing this for many years (60 in fact) with all the infrastructure in pla
120 Post contains images bill142 : Retire of course. Surely at 41 you're not as good as 31 or 21.. The scary thought is, that MS is old enough to be Vettels father. It's all live on On
121 Post contains images GrahamHill : and good riddance!
122 Post contains images cpd : Never used to be, it'd always be delayed by some much more important Indian Premier League match and Channel 10 would make excuses about abbreviated
123 stealthz : or worse some provincial US college basketball game.* I was pleasantly surprised to see it was live last night(actually ran about 4 sec behind Formul
124 bill142 : I've started something that's going to haunt me haven't I? I can see that happening on the main channel, but I see very little reason why it should b
125 Post contains images flood : That scares you? Heck, if he manages to keep up then more power to him. Maybe not, but I think he's doing pretty good so far and, if anything, I'd sa
126 stealthz : Mainly the mainstream media, over the years several networks have had the broadcast rights but almost anything can and will displace or delay F1 cove
127 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Schumi is doing rather well as far as I can see. I never thought he would place himself so well in qualifs. We will see how he is doing in the race. T
128 stealthz : They would have only worked on their rental cars... the race cars were locked up in parc ferme. As you said MS seemed to do OK but the only real meas
129 Post contains images flood : Ah, ok... thought it was public contempt towards F1. Good to hear that's not the case and a more dedicated channel has picked it up. Isn't it great h
130 Post contains images MadameConcorde : No chance as this is nothing new and it is Sunday so they are all out playing. The TV person is away to a ski resort with the family. It can only be
131 Post contains images GrahamHill : In France, we're quite lucky. The 1 o'clock news (second most watched after the 8 PM news) is usually cut by half to make room for the GP coverage. T
132 GrahamHill : Wow, have you seen the Gulf Air A330 doing a low pass over the track? Quite nice! So, how many laps do you think the leaders will take to catch up on
133 Post contains images flood : Yeah Somewhere around the 12th lap? That would mean they stand to be lapped like 4 times, hehe.
134 GrahamHill : Wait! Where are the HRT cars?!!!
135 B747forever : Yeah, looked great! That start will be off in any minute!
136 Post contains images MIAspotter : Not long to go now!! Everything is ready, let the circus begin! FORZA FERRARI! MIAspotter P.S. the GulfAir A330 low pass was AWESOME!
137 flood : Good question, lol... live timing says in pit.
138 flood : live timing says HRT team has opted to start in the pit
139 B747forever : The cars in the back are way too slow. They are up to 8 seconds slower than the leader per lap!
140 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I have got a live streaming only it is more like Formula Snail. All is moving so slow... Kobayashi is out because of a hydraulics problem. Now Timo Gl
141 Giancavia : Mmm Alonso is gonna hit up vetl very soon .. I can feel it .. Massa is close also.
142 MIAspotter : Come on Fernando!!!! catch Vettel! De La Rosa out, he was doing a good race. MIAspotter
143 GrahamHill : Alonso has 16 laps to overtake Vettel. This should be doable.
144 GrahamHill : Loss of power for Vettel. Alonso 1st!
145 Giancavia : Vaaaaaaaaaaaa Ferrari!
146 cptkrell : Alonso has just taken the lead. I would like SPEED Channel to run a constant "streaming" car position like NASCAR broadcasts do. regards...jack
147 MIAspotter : Sii! Forza Ferrari, oggi vinciremo!!! MIAspotter
148 GrahamHill : Vettel is losing ground. Too bad for him, he was having a good race so far.
149 flood : Couldn't agree more and hate to say it, but go get him Nico!
150 cptkrell : Buemi is parked and there's a local yellow flag at his position...don't think it's going to affect the last lap, though.
151 GrahamHill : Brilliant from Alonso!! Congratulations, I very happy for him even if he drives for a team I don't like.
152 Post contains images MIAspotter : Yes!!!!!!!! Grazie Fernando! Grazie Felipe! Ferrari on top again! I am sooo happy!!! Great drive for Vettel to maintain a few positions with a sick ca
153 sudden : A big shame for Vettel, but Alonso looked very solid and did catch up. So I am not sure that Alonso got the win handed to him by Vettel. Again Massa i
154 B747forever : Yeah, it it feels great! What a great way to start the season! Nico Rosberg finished almost 4sec before Schumacher!
155 Post contains images flood : Congratulations to Ferrari, Alonso and Massa. Such a pity, Vettel... a great drive well worthy of a win. Very unfortunate, yet very lucky he didn't sa
156 Post contains images EZEIZA : I would have prefered Massa first, and I would have prefered this to happen as part of the race rather than a problem in Vettel's car, but .... YESSSS
157 NA : Congratulations to Ferrari, Alonso and Massa. Somehow I was expecting this outcome though. After his horrible accident last year Massa´s comeback was
158 Post contains images B747forever : LOL! Guess why he was called the iceman
159 Post contains images MIAspotter : They might have probably run with some A340-300 engines today, for Australia they could bring in a couple of GE engines from one of their 744s or a T
160 Post contains images EZEIZA : sure, but he could have been happy ice, and be smiling all the time
161 Post contains images scbriml : What a boring race. One can only hope that there's more excitement at tracks with shorter laps, otherwise this will be one very long, very boring seas
162 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Don't complain. At least you got to see it. I was greeted to a complete internet breakdown about 40 minutes in the race and just got back on now over
163 Post contains links Boeing74741R : Boring race indeed. I sincerely hope that this isn't what to expect for the rest of the season as otherwise I may as well not watch the races. Schumac
164 TristarAtLCA : What on earth was that? Full tanks, one pitstop, no strategy and a procession. That's what F1 is going to be this year. Don't know how long I'll stick
165 NA : Well, it was his very first race after 3 years and he easily beat the reigning champion, and that with a car a bit lesser than Button´s. He finished
166 Post contains images cpd : Most boring race I ever watched. Next time I'll record it instead of watching it live. Well done to the folks at Maranello.
167 bill142 : Same here. I got so bored I switched off half way through and went to bed.
168 NA : Seems you missed the whole 2009 season.
169 HT : With everybody fueled up to the same level, real race action seems to become even more scarce. Having to save on fuel, tyres and brakes does not give
170 Post contains images cpd : At least they could drive the car a bit aggressively. Now everyone is cruising around trying not to burn up their tyres. So no changes of position oc
171 Boeing74741R : With the exception of Barrichello and Schumacher (who both raced during the last era of no refuelling), all the drivers need to watch a season review
172 shamrock321 : They have ruined a perfectly good race track with that new infield section, track is to long, has to change or people will start to hate it!
173 stealthz : I am in pretty strong agreement with everyone about how dull the race was, even the TV commentators were surprised at how the laptimes never really pi
174 Post contains images scbriml : With overtaking just about impossible, it's a stretch to say anyone "easily beat" anyone else. Schumacher started a few yards in front of Button and
175 GrahamHill : If F1 did not have so much downforce, if they did not have so much electronics, and above all if they had manual gearboxes, I'm sure we would see inte
176 cpd : No, what they need to do is change the technical specs a bit. Make the engines turbocharged, maybe with the current capacity - but wind the revs back
177 stealthz : What Fracking rule? One of the things that irritates me about F1 is they have a set of rules -- FIA Technical & Sporting regulations that are cla
178 cpd : That was brought in to combat the sometimes dodgy pit-lane releases of cars by some teams in front of other cars. In my opinion, the new rule is horr
179 Post contains images GrahamHill : What is exactly the 55 metre rule?
180 Post contains images stealthz : I agree absolutely, and consistent enforcement of.... ....would IMO obviate the need for any new rule. Whilst I understand the intent of this rule, i
181 cpd : I believe if another car comes within 55m of your pit area, you can not release your car in front of the other one, until the other one has passed. I
182 GrahamHill : Alright, thanks guys!
183 CXB77L : I'm not sure I like the current points system either. There was nothing wrong with the 10-6-4-3-2-1 system, and they had to fiddle with it to change
184 bill142 : As far as I'm aware that rule is gone and has been replaced by a rule which limits you to 8 engines per season. Both Ferraris got new engines before
185 sudden : Most of you already knows how the season will be by watching the first race!? Sure, it was not a WOW race, but most of you know enough to understand t
186 Post contains images EZEIZA : I absolutely agree with you, however, during the race, when Vettel was first I had nothing to look forward to. Until this season, evn if a driver had
187 Springbok747 : Boring race. Really. Even though I am elated to see a Ferrari 1-2 (finally!) there was absolutely nothing that was interesting. After Vettel's problem
188 Post contains images swissy : BORING.... exciting like desert sand... Did Alonso win... no Vettel lost the race , nothing happen behind Vettel....agree they should go back to a dif
189 EZEIZA : That's the rule I actually agree with. Before, it did not make that much of a difference to finish 1st or 2nd, or even third. In theory, you only nee
190 sudden : I can see your point here, but on the other hand I also disagree with it. The RBR broke and the Ferrari didn't. So with that in mind Alonso won and V
191 KiwiRob : If it's not a Lotus than what is it, Lotus Racing and Lotus Cars are both sister companies owned by Proton. Team Principal Tony Fernandes was clear t
192 MadameConcorde : I missed out on a great most of the race as my internet went bust for several hours but this morning as I was on the train I could see that Italian ne
193 Post contains images EZEIZA : No where is F1 a national issue as it is in Italy when Ferrari is involved. In other countries the nationality of the pilot is maybe more relevant, b
194 Post contains links MadameConcorde : The double win in this first GP of the season was big news in Italy. Look at this picture gallery in Gazzetta dello Sport. Pic. number 8 with the old
195 Ammunition : Im not going to read the above 194 posts, but what i will say is that after being an avid F1 fan for several years, this start to the season was so ve
196 NA : Too nationalistic indeed. They talk about a new era and a stunning victory, but forget that without Vettel´s bad luck there would have been no red c
197 EZEIZA : Too nationalistic? if Vettel's car would not have lost power, Ferrari would have still made 2-3, full podium. How can they not bee enthusiatic abouyt
198 NA : Well, seems you have not read the headlines in the Italian press I read. To celebrate the perfect start of the season is one thing, how you do it ano
199 Post contains images sudden :
200 Springbok747 : Thats the media for ya! Who cares what they say? Ferrari made a good comeback..after a horrible season last year. Plus the fact that Massa, who almos
201 EZEIZA : i have read them. Here's a question; what would you have written had you been an Italian? Let's look at the facts: 1) Ferrari last season was slower
202 stealthz : Perhaps, Perfect race maybe not. Whilst I am a firm believer that "to finish first, first you have to finish" and Ferrari achieved that so congratula
203 Post contains images waterpolodan : Just going through some posts and wanted to make some points- He didn't specifically say he was referring to the last several years when it was banned
204 EZEIZA : and yet they never looked slower than Vettel. What was the biggest difference between them .. 4-5 seconds? That says a lot about how similar their pa
205 Post contains links scrubbsywg : great gallery of the former champs and their cars out on track in bahrain...amazing history in these 18 pics. and they are pretty good pics too... htt
206 MadameConcorde : This is really what I would have liked to see in Bahrain. Love these old cars and I have seen quite a few of them for real. These old long and lean L
207 stealthz : Noted with interest Lotus returning to the "Brickyard" This is very good news for MadameC's friend Sato!! A comment on media reports, there have been
208 Post contains links scrubbsywg : some good news: Monza has extended its deal with FOM to host the italian GP. http://planetf1.com/news/18227/6036530/Monza-extends-Italian-GP-deal This
209 bill142 : That's just how the Italians roll.
210 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I would like to see a picture of the McLaren piece you picked up on the track.
211 scrubbsywg : it is really small, and to most it is probably a piece of trash...but it is a piece of an F1 car! It doesn't have any markings on it or anything(besi
212 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Paolo Filisetti looks at this season's innovations from Ferrari and McLaren http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/11533.html Only the strong can in
213 Post contains links BlueElephant : F1 2010: Australian Grand Prix! (by BlueElephant Mar 23 2010 in Non Aviation) Discussion continued in Oz thread.
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