ajd1992 From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 2645 posts, RR: 6 Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2967 times:
Even if I could afford it, I wouldn't.
It's just an overpriced iTouch/iPhone that's a bit bigger and heavier, which is pointless. They have the MacBooks for that.
I like apple products, but they do have a cult following almost and I'm not that much of a fan. I loved my MacBook but I'd never buy one again unless I NEEDED one.
Cadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9081 posts, RR: 34 Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2953 times:
Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 2): It's just an overpriced iTouch/iPhone that's a bit bigger and heavier, which is pointless. They have the MacBooks for that.
Bingo. But of corse, there are those that NEED it because it will be THE best thing ever!
Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 2): I like apple products, but they do have a cult following almost and I'm not that much of a fan. I loved my MacBook but I'd never buy one again unless I NEEDED one.
Considering the fact im on my second Macbook Pro thats on its way out, I am done with Apple. Both of these laptops are 4 years old and are already dying. Thats unacceptable.
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tropical77W From Canada, joined Dec 2009, 65 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2924 times:
Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 1): It's a big iPod Touch, which I already have. So no.
im inclined to follow your logic, but my birthday is coming up soon and my girlfriend (whom i spent a significant amount of money on for her birthday for my income) has asked me repetetively if i like the new iPad, so who knows....
Lowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10 Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2905 times:
That is basically the same conclusion I came to. I was looking at a 12 inch netbook, or an IPad. The IPad had a lot of nice features, but I hoping it was more of a scaled down MacBook, not a scaled up Iphone/touch. I ended up going with a netbook instead.
iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4114 posts, RR: 7 Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2881 times:
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I can do more with a brand new notebook at a lower price.
bwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1318 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2872 times:
I was looking at the video on the apple website... I didn't buy the whole "oh - my - god, this thing is the best thing since... well... life itself!" tone... and at 1:17 the video, most likely not on purpose, shows one of the ipads major problems: the guy scrolls up and down a web page, and suddenly there it is, blink and you'll miss it: the infamous little cube with a question mark, showing this device is incapable of playing flash...
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16943 posts, RR: 57 Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2871 times:
My iPhone 3G is pretty annoying to use. There's a definite lag time before it does basic functions, like open an app or allow me to enter data. I'd have to be pretty assured that the iPad is powerful enough to give me a seamless user experience before I'd spend that kind of money.
Also, for me, it would be primarily an entertainment device. The beauty of the iPhone is that it fits in my pocket and, with my wallet and keys, goes where I go. The size of the iPad makes it impractical for any sort of advice that you don't plan ahead to take.
Pellegrine From Switzerland, joined Mar 2007, 1871 posts, RR: 8 Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2865 times:
I think it's interesting, but no so far, and I'm an Apple addict from way back when. From like the Apple Macintosh II....
That said, it is seriously annoying how much attention and hype Apple is getting from this.
Others have made touchscreen multi-use pads and tablet-PCs years ago. Sony had one years ago that ran a version of Windows, had Wi-Fi, programmable infrared to interact with home TV/Stereos, etc.
The only thing new is the 3G (for that version), it's an Apple, and how thin it is.
Technically, yes. But thanks to the fact that it is bigger, the possible uses are much different. That's what I will use it for:
- couch computer. The iPhone is too small for some sites I want to check out when in my living room, and a MacBook is definitely too large to reside on the couch or on the living room table. Yes, I'm lazy, I could as well move to the office room and check the site out on my real computer, but hey, they invented the iPad and I'm right in the target
- train TV / news reader. During train trips I often take for work, I watch movies and read my RSS newsfeeds. The iPhone is too small to comfortably watch a movie or read news for a long time, and I don't need the MacBook on all work trips. The iPad fills the gap
- newspaper reader. I'm starting to hate the paper format of newspapers. My hope is that more and more newspapers will have iPad apps. I'll gladly pay the subscription to have my newspaper in iPad format, which is much more comfortable
Of course, the iPad is not for everyone. By all means, if you don't see a need for it, don't buy it. But as far as I'm concerned, I'm already addicted to it even before having seen one in real life
Springbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 13 Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2838 times:
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 12): I'd rather eat my own head than spend money on that pointless bit of rubbish. I'll have a decent real computer instead please.
What a total and utter waste of money. By the time we get it here, it will be priced around $1500..for that kinda money we can get a top of the range laptop loaded with features. What was the point of this thing anyway..its priced more than a laptop..can't do anything close to what a laptop does, and it won't even fit in your pocket?
davehammer From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 472 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2823 times:
Apart from scratching easily and being a pointless gimmick it does nothing that my iphone and netbook don't do already. Therefore I cant see any reason to buy it. Not for me I'm afraid.
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12595 posts, RR: 64 Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2819 times:
Quoting iowaman (Reply 6): I can do more with a brand new notebook at a lower price.
You can do MUCH more, actually. I debated the iPad vs. Netbook argument and like you, ultimately decided the netbook was a far more flexible, capable device. I bought the netbook last month and I've not regretted my decision.
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Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 20902 posts, RR: 55 Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2813 times:
I don't have enough of a gap between the other devices I already need for an iPad to make enough sense just for using, but I might get one if I wanted to start developing on it.
Quoting bwest (Reply 8): and at 1:17 the video, most likely not on purpose, shows one of the ipads major problems: the guy scrolls up and down a web page, and suddenly there it is, blink and you'll miss it: the infamous little cube with a question mark, showing this device is incapable of playing flash...
It is completely intentional, just as in Jobs' official presentations. Flash is officially not going to be supported, and an increasing number of major sites are already reacting and moving away from flash as their exclusive tool for rich content (if not entirely).
Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 10): Others have made touchscreen multi-use pads and tablet-PCs years ago. Sony had one years ago that ran a version of Windows, had Wi-Fi, programmable infrared to interact with home TV/Stereos, etc.
The only thing new is the 3G (for that version), it's an Apple, and how thin it is.
Yeah. Just like with the iPhone, right? After all, it's just a freakin' phone – weren't their enough phones already before the iPhone came in 2007...?
Just use it side by side with the alternatives you have in mind before making your final judgment.
The crucial difference is in the software, and the hardware is very tightly designed to support it. But that is the crucial point the other manufacturers never understood – which is why the tablet segment was always languishing and gathering dust on the shelves.
Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 13): By the time we get it here, it will be priced around $1500..for that kinda money we can get a top of the range laptop loaded with features.
It's starting at $500,– in the US, so unless the australian $ is crashing that should be quite a bit off the mark (or what is the level of taxes to be added?).
Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 13): What was the point of this thing anyway..its priced more than a laptop..can't do anything close to what a laptop does, and it won't even fit in your pocket?
It is much easier to use than a conventional computer for many everyday tasks, both through its form factor and through its much more immediate user interface.
In the end you should simply try it out yourself and then judge again.
bwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1318 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2802 times:
Quoting Klaus (Reply 16): and an increasing number of major sites are already reacting and moving away from flash as their exclusive tool for rich content (if not entirely).
Says who? The iPad has the same rather scratch-resistant glass surface as the iPhone. My iPhone display is still completely flawless after half a year of carrying it around in my pocket without any protection whatsoever.
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 15): You can do MUCH more, actually. I debated the iPad vs. Netbook argument and like you, ultimately decided the netbook was a far more flexible, capable device. I bought the netbook last month and I've not regretted my decision.
It does of course depend on what you tend to need it for, but I would actually recommend to try it out once it's available in a store near you.
Springbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 13 Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2794 times:
Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):
It's starting at $500,– in the US, so unless the australian $ is crashing that should be quite a bit off the mark (or what is the level of taxes to be added?).
The low end model is rumored to be around $800 Australian, with the high-end one being close to AU$1500 (was speaking to a buddy of mine who is the Apple store manager in Melbourne..don't know how much is true)..but looking at the iPhone..we pretty much get screwed over here with Apple. The 16 GB iPhone 3gs is AU$879, the same phone in the US is priced from $199 (yes, it is a 2-year AT&T contract but don't forget we have to pay for our calls here too).
Another example..the MacBook Pro..the 17" 2.8Ghz is US$2499..the same thing here is AU$3299..even with conversion that is a difference of AU$566..ridiculous. Like I said before..and will say again..Apple products in this country are wayyy overpriced.
Pellegrine From Switzerland, joined Mar 2007, 1871 posts, RR: 8 Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2787 times:
Quoting Klaus (Reply 16): Yeah. Just like with the iPhone, right? After all, it's just a freakin' phone – weren't their enough phones already before the iPhone came in 2007...?
Just use it side by side with the alternatives you have in mind before making your final judgment.
The crucial difference is in the software, and the hardware is very tightly designed to support it. But that is the crucial point the other manufacturers never understood – which is why the tablet segment was always languishing and gathering dust on the shelves.
I don't doubt at all that Apple's integration is the best in the tech world. I mean it is... I'm also an early adopter of tech, some of which catches on, some doesn't. It's just a pet peeve of mine that Apple (and consumers of their products) constantly have this "first and best" attitude. No, a lot of their products are re-inventions of others' ideas which have been out for years. The iPhone itself as an example...there were various groups working on products like this going back to around 2004 or before. Another example, the Apple lawsuit against HTC. Please. Don't get me wrong, I'm an Apple lover, but I get annoyed by their shtick, marketing, and following I guess.
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 20902 posts, RR: 55 Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2764 times:
Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 21): It's just a pet peeve of mine that Apple (and consumers of their products) constantly have this "first and best" attitude. No, a lot of their products are re-inventions of others' ideas which have been out for years. The iPhone itself as an example...there were various groups working on products like this going back to around 2004 or before.
And none of them got it right, until Apple indeed re-invented the entire segment, which everybody is now copying like crazy. Since 2007 pretty much every new device in this segment looks and works like an iPhone knockoff with a few tweaks at best.
While I detest the trivial software patents Apple and the rest of them are using as ammunition in their battles, that Apple is trying to stem the tide of the blatant copying of a rather heavy and quite innovative development they've done is understandable. I would just prefer it if it was going through copyright / visual design categories instead of the utterly ridiculous US patent system.
BNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3156 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2706 times:
I will buy the Ipad eventually but not for at least a couple of years.
I brought a new Netbook 1 month ago, and I think it will do me for the next 2 years, once it dies then I look at replacing it with an ipad which should then be version 2 so all the bugs will be ironed out by then.
I brought an Itouch the first month it came out in Australia but waited a while for the iphone to come out, love the iphone so I am not sure what an Ipad would really help and the fact that is more expensive than the Toshiba Netbook I have I don't see all the hype about the ipad just yet.
racko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4839 posts, RR: 20 Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2701 times:
Not at this time. I love gadgets and surely could invent a reason for myself to get one, but just as with the iPhone I dislike the totalitarian dictatorship Apple keeps over it's products even after you've bought them.
It's not only that you can't get Apps from anywhere but the App Store but also that Apple builds in a "kill switch" that lets them remotely disable Apps you've bought whenever they like. Combine that with the Saudi-Arabian approach to "Sexual" (Do I see a naked arm there? Whore!) content we've seen recently and I'm out. Sure, you can jailbreak it, but I just don't think that having to hack a new device is something I like.
So I'm probably going to end up with an Android phone (saves me from an expensive T-Mobile contract as well) and no tablet at all, which at the end of day I don't need anyway.
25 Klaus: They've never used that yet, so it remains plausible that it's only a last resort in case an App should be found out to contain actual malware. Since
26 racko: The legal agreement (which the developers are legally banned from publicly discussing) for iPhone developers limits Apple's liability to the develope
27 AverageUser: At some rare times, a physical-world patent application will creep through: http://www.buzzbox.com/news/2010-03-08/Patent:Nokia/
28 AirPacific747: I know it doesn't offer much else than an ipod touch, but there's still something really cool about it. I guess the extra large screen size helps a lo
29 fca767: This is the only Ipad I'm buying https://store.nexternal.com/tdec/images/mask.jpg
30 ajd1992: Yeah, exactly and I wouldn't want to be considered part of "those" people. It's just not me. While I loved my MacBook, it wasn't for me. It was just
31 Cadet57: Current list of crap thats broken: MBP #1 Both Fans Superdrive Screen is going MBP #2 One fan dead, the other dying Superdrive replaced over the summ
33 ajd1992: I owned the normal MacBook which one of the last ones before they started making them in fancy aluminium. I own a Dell Inspiron now - not the fastest
34 greggarious: I see absolutely zero need or desire for one. I'd rather turn the pages on a real book, I'd rather surf the internet with flash, I'd rather take notes
35 AverageUser: Some people have similar hardware that apparently is not. You may not frequent Apple discussion sites then? See e.g. http://discussions.apple.com/thr
36 Klaus: Percentage of problems per number of copies produced and causes for observed symptoms remain the question. No, Time Machine is the software tool, Tim
37 indolikaa: I'm interested for the same reasons as ManuCH.
38 theredbaron: As a service center rep for Apple, I need to get one of those Ipads ASAP, but even if I was an average consumer with no ties to the church of Steve Jo
40 gemuser: That's about $A550, at the moment, plus 10% ($A55) GST, so it should retail for $A605. So an extra 33% for nothing! Actually that's not bad for some
41 Pellegrine: The one thing that is really the death knell for me is lack of Flash support. Now I know Apple detests Flash, and it doesn't even work that well on OS
42 bill142: If I wanted to lean over something while I'm writing, I'd use a writing pad. This has to be the second most pointless device produced by Apple.
43 kevinl1011: But then you'd also need a #2 Ticonderoga pencil to write with. And a pencil sharpener. And a trash can for the eraser dust. And a file folder to sav
44 Klaus: And on an iPhone OS device you already need it a lot less than anywhere else, since many sites have either special iPhone versions of their sites or
45 racko: I always thought the web with all the "just type in the URL and you're there"-stuff was way too convenient.
46 AverageUser: Therefore I at least try not to invest in a gadget unless I really need it. Although manufacturers (such as Apple have done) may extend their warrant
47 Zentraedi: I don't really like this "gap between devices" way of thinking. If anything, it should "fill a niche in your life". Yes, I will be pre-ordering one, b
48 Klaus: I would say pretty much everbody feels the same. Well, it's of course an attempt of coherent branding, but Time Capsule is not just a netork-attached
49 AverageUser: See e.g. here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology.../apple-time-capsule-failures-early If a product is a Time Capsule, one could perhaps entertain
50 Klaus: My point was that in the way I live and with the devices I've got, there really isn't much of a niche to fill at this point. For other people with di
51 AverageUser: Klaus, the Guardian article above, did you miss it?
52 Klaus: It quotes a statistic comprised of only failed units, again not in relation to all existing copies, which does seem to indicate that if your Time Cap
53 AverageUser: What percentage of the typical Apple home users will be able to undertake component-level repairs on their own? 2%? The rest will have sent their Tim
54 Klaus: Re-check my post. Exactly the reverse. The maximum of the collected cases is indicated at about 570 days, which is quite a bit more than a year. I wo
55 Corinthians: No multitasking, no flash, no USB, no HDMI, no expandable memory, no webcam...not for me. iPad had so much potential and perhaps these things could be
56 theredbaron: Bet Ipad 3 generation (circa 2012) will have that and more, Apple always does that. Anyways I will buy one right away...
57 Ken777: Multi-tasking might be available, but users should understand that the iPad doesn't have an Intel i7 inside. The iPhone/touch does have limited multi
58 AverageUser: Well, on this very subject of the Tme Bubble, I really did not expect you'd treat data (with serial numbers) from 2,500 dead units (they don't accept
59 N1120A: Both Dells I owned started being troublesome within 2 years. One died in about 3.5. And if you do try it and don't like it, Klaus won't believe you Y
60 AverageUser: I think Klaus once told me it's because people won't change the batteries in their cellphones anyway even if given a chance.
61 racko: Modern mobile phones spot 1GHz CPUs. Multitasking has been around for what, 15 years? Probably even longer. We're not talking about running 5 3D-Game
62 mt99: Apparently 50,000 people in 2 hours..are buying - and are interested http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...tv_bumped_mysterious_app_icon.html
63 Springbok747: Not really. The cheapest is with Optus, on a $19per month contract, plus $20 a month for the phone over 24 months...and that is just for the iPhone 3
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