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Boehner: Republicans Best Choice In 2012?  
User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8223 posts, RR: 8
Posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

I spent a lot of time watching the news, including a lot of the debate today.

While both sides had some good speakers I was most impressed with John Boehner's delivery. (But not necessarily with the points.   )

And while he was speaking I kept thinking that he would probably be the best Nominee for President in 2012. It's hard for me to think of a Republican who is as polished in delivery and as potentially attractive a candidate. Oh, and the tan doesn't hurt.  


Edited for spelling

[Edited 2010-03-21 20:38:49]

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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8872 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Thread starter):
And while he was speaking I kept thinking that he would probably be the best Nominee for President in 2012. It's hard for me to think of a Republican who is as polished in delivery and as potentially attractive a candidate. Oh, and the tan doesn't hurt.

I thought he had a hard time keeping a straight face while spewing the rhetoric. A true picture of a phony.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

I thought his shrieking was quite undignified and the complete refusal to even acknowledge the possibility of any kind of compromise rather unimpressive for somebody aspiring to higher office.

If this had been a matter of immediate life or death one could have understood – but there seemed to be nothing but point-scoring on the backs of uninsured citizens, with an unhealthy dose of reality denial and lack of truthfulness.

Democracy lives on a sense of civic responsibility and it cannot function without at least a basic level of civility – as far as I have followed this whole affair, Boehner has never once shown any sign of either of the two, which is quite disappointing. Unfortunately this also seems to apply to most of his republican colleagues, which is a rather worrying situation for one of the most important democracies on this planet.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Mixed emotions. I am still thinking maybe along the lines of Scott Brown.

User currently offlinesv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 1):
I thought he had a hard time keeping a straight face while spewing the rhetoric. A true picture of a phony.

Probably true. But these days aren't most of them phonies?

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
I thought his shrieking was quite undignified and the complete refusal to even acknowledge the possibility of any kind of compromise rather unimpressive for somebody aspiring to higher office.

That's the problem with the current GOP and why I am not as much as an enthusiastic supporter as I used to be. The political system in this country is just hopelessly corrupt.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3):
Mixed emotions. I am still thinking maybe along the lines of Scott Brown.

Scott is just too inexperienced right now though he seems to have good instincts. I doubt the South/MidWest bloc would support him because of his social views.

We're probably going to see the usual suspects: Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, etc. But if Obama can get the economy rolling he'll be tough to beat in 2012. It's still about the economy no matter what anyone says.


User currently offlineSpeedbird741 From Portugal, joined Aug 2008, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

Someday I hope to see Paul Ryan taking that job!


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

Quoting sv7887 (Reply 4):
Scott is just too inexperienced right now though he seems to have good instincts. I doubt the South/MidWest bloc would support him because of his social views.

   what experience did Obama have! If Brown runs in 2012 he will have 3 years as a US senator. Much more than Obama did. Plus his social views would help him. The country as a whole doesn't want a bible thumper. Remember it's the independants that chose presidents not the far left or right. Texas will always vote for a Republican and California will always vote for a Democrat.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5241 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
Much more than Obama did.

Obama's one extra year as a Senator equals Scott Brown having much more experience than Obama? Sure it does. It's funny that you criticize Obama for being inexperienced, yet you support a candidate from your own party with a similar level of experience. Double standard anyone?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
The country as a whole doesn't want a bible thumper.

Yet the GOP had no problem getting George W Bush elected...

[Edited 2010-03-22 00:18:05]


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User currently offlineLASoctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

A question: Is his last name really pronounced "Bayner," or just the way it's spelled? My government teacher got all upset because some kid said his name in the obvious way..


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21564 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
If Brown runs in 2012 he will have 3 years as a US senator. Much more than Obama did.

Obama served for four years as a senator (a little less due to his resignation from the post after the 2008 election, but we can round off). Scott Brown, if he runs in 2012, would have served three, as you said. Explain to me again how 4 is much less than 3?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
Remember it's the independants that chose presidents not the far left or right.

It is, however, the far left and the far right that decide who the independents have to choose between (one of the reasons we get crap candidates, IMO, but that's a different topic).

-Mir



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User currently offlineMoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

Maybe a Liz Cheney / Michelle Malkin or Michelle Bachmann (assuming Bachmann can even win reelection this November) ticket will be the best choice for the GOP. LOL

User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8872 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2164 times:

Quoting sv7887 (Reply 4):
Probably true. But these days aren't most of them phonies?

No argument there, they sure are. Both sides.



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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6321 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

Perhaps the best thing about him for the Repubs is that very little is known about him by the masses. The same could be said about Obama in the run-up to the last election. That being said, I don't see Boehner as #45...

User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2585 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2092 times:

I just can't see him as an effective candidate.

From a purely superficial perspective he seems like such a sour character and more than a bit "John Edward"-esque with the coiffed hair and the tanning. But more substantially, he was basically the face of the Republican response to healthcare reform and was completely owned by Nancy Pelosi.

Not a good thing to have on your resume.


User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2057 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
I thought his shrieking was quite undignified and the complete refusal to even acknowledge the possibility of any kind of compromise rather unimpressive for somebody aspiring to higher office.

The President spent a whole year out on the stump shrieking, then spent his first year in office doing the same thing to any crowd he could muster.

Perhaps you missed the health care summit a few weeks ago. The one where the GOP presented a whole raft of ideas, no of which were adopted in the final legislation, which of course with bipartisan opposition.


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8872 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Quoting DXing (Reply 14):
The President spent a whole year out on the stump shrieking, then spent his first year in office doing the same thing to any crowd he could muster.

Perhaps you missed the health care summit a few weeks ago. The one where the GOP presented a whole raft of ideas, no of which were adopted in the final legislation, which of course with bipartisan opposition.

What were you watching? All we saw was kill it, it was so obvious it was pathetic. That is what glued the Democrats together and got this bill passed. Obama had a good idea, show the party of no's real agenda, certainly not healthcare reform, just kill it. I would like to thank the Republicans for that.



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 15):
What were you watching?

I was watching a reasoned advocation of tort reform, cost control, and an agreement on at least 4 of the major points of of the legislation as well as a number of doctors explaining why the legislation would not lead to lower costs. All of it was ignored because as President Obama said "I'm the President".

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 15):
That is what glued the Democrats together and got this bill passed.

Again, the only bipartisanship in this whole affair was a bipartisan opposition to its passage. 34 Democrats joined the GOP in voting against this unconsititutional monstrosity.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 15):
Obama had a good idea

Yep, it was such a good idea that immediately after it his health care proposal lost even more ground in the polls!


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5241 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

Quoting DXing (Reply 16):
this unconsititutional monstrosity

This keeps getting thrown around a lot. How exactly is this bill unconstitutional?



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User currently offlineBNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

Quoting Speedbird741 (Reply 5):
Someday I hope to see Paul Ryan taking that job!

I am intrigued by the idea of a younger, "fresh face" candidate such as Paul Ryan, John Thune, Eric Cantor, or Tim Pawlenty.

Would a crowded field of 2012 Republican candidates favor a candidate with higher name recognition, such as Romney, over lesser known candidates? It seems Republicans nominate "the known" (Reagan, Bush, Dole, McCain) while Democrats often nominate "the unknown" (Dukakis, Clinton, Obama).

I hope that electibility vs. Obama in a national election is an important issue for Republican primary voters in 2012 (Read: Stay away from Palin and Huckabee)


User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2028 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 17):
This keeps getting thrown around a lot. How exactly is this bill unconstitutional?

No where does the Constitution give the federal government the power to force the citizen to purchase something just to remain a citizen in good standing.


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8872 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

Quoting DXing (Reply 16):
Yep, it was such a good idea that immediately after it his health care proposal lost even more ground in the polls!

Am I incorrect, or will it be signed into law tomorrow? I stand by my statement, I watched a bunch of talking heads, just advocating the destruction of a bill to help people. Talk about transparency, they accused the Democrats lack of it. It was all too obvious from the Republican side. Kill it!



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5241 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

Quoting DXing (Reply 19):
No where does the Constitution give the federal government the power to force the citizen to purchase something just to remain a citizen in good standing.

Well then the bill's opponents can take it to the Supreme Court and have it heard there, correct? That's what our system of checks and balances is for, is it not?



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8872 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 21):
Well then the bill's opponents can take it to the Supreme Court and have it heard there, correct? That's what our system of checks and balances is for, is it not?

Easy there, that kind of statement makes too much sense.  



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2002 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 20):
Am I incorrect, or will it be signed into law tomorrow?

Lot's of things get done tomorrow, doesn't make it right.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 21):
Well then the bill's opponents can take it to the Supreme Court and have it heard there, correct? That's what our system of checks and balances is for, is it not?

Not what you asked. You asked what was unconstitutional about the bill. Of course it will be taken to the Supreme Court and argued before them.


User currently offlineco777er From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

Which is what the state Attorney Generals will ultimately end up doing.

25 Post contains links Speedbird741 : Yes it does seem to happen with the gop. I can't imagine Ryan running for 2013, although I would very much like to. He seems to be VERY level headed,
26 Speedbird741 : Florida Virginia Idaho South Carolina South Dakota North Dakota Michigan Alabama Washington Pennsylvania Utah Texas Nebraska I might have more or les
27 WarRI1 : Who cares? All it takes is one. I hope numbers do not influence SC Decisions, by the looks of it those states would fail, 13 so far out of 50.
28 OA412 : Yeah really! Correct and you answered. Once I received my answer, I mentioned that those are options available to those who believe that this bill is
29 Speedbird741 : I am Portuguese born, but live in the US. Not sure what you mean by "what dog do you have in this fight" though lol
30 OA412 : I mean that if you were Portuguese and living in Portugal, I'd be confused as to why you'd be so interested in seeing a foreign country's health care
31 Post contains links Flighty : Yeah I was listening in the car. It was great! He made a couple good points, and delivered the fact he was mad. It was a good show. But he seems like
32 Post contains images Ken777 : That's as scary as Palin. Maybe they could run together. So me were. Insurance buying groups instead of the public option. Cost cutting - with Senato
33 DXing : Of course not. Did the abolitionists drop their claims about slavery after the Dred Scott decision? Evidently the 34 Democrats that voted against the
34 OA412 : Well at least you're honest. But then, are you not suggesting that you know more about what is constitutional than does the Supreme Court of the Unit
35 Flighty : I didn't know the SC votes on bills. Okay so they can weigh constitutionality. Yet that could be used for any law that certain people don't like. For
36 OA412 : And that is, of course, what I meant. Obviously they don't vote for or against a bill. However, if we're suggesting that the bill is unconstitutional
37 DXing : That's the wonderful thing about our government. The Supreme Court can rule something unconstitutional and by virtue of a Constitutional amendment it
38 MoltenRock : I highly doubt they have standing to bring suit as a non-affected individual, before a regulation even begins has standing in court. And the state AG
39 Post contains links Slider : Paul Ryan. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwk1aHU-pms
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