Bad idea. These people are putting their lives on the line and often live very stressful lives over there. Is it so hard to give them a taste of home from time to time when they have to go, many times, a year without actually seeing home?
UH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7454 times:
Quoting sw733 (Reply 2): Bad idea. These people are putting their lives on the line and often live very stressful lives over there. Is it so hard to give them a taste of home from time to time when they have to go, many times, a year without actually seeing home?
Wrong, it's a great idea.
This news is actually almost 2 months old, and is much larger in scale than a few burger stands. They're actually removing something like 120 fast food vendor locales from theater, as well as Oakley stores, military car sales, pizza huts, O.Julius, etc. And it's a fantastic decision. Aside from the argument that the space is needed for the surge, the better argument is that they're detrimental to the force. Soldiers are coming home, on average, 20-30lbs heavier than when they deployed. Coupled with the fact that new recruits coming into the Army are fatter each year, and there is little time for gaining units to whip them in shape prior to deployments... it's becoming an epidemic.
These establishments are providing cheap, unhealthy, food to an already stressed force (even the Fobbits). Numerous studies have shown the benefits of what healthy eating and exercise can do for stress reduction.
Having been stationed at more austere bases, trips to KAF and BAF were exhibits of the obscene. Boardwalks of countless fast food restaurants, with lines of overweight fat asses standing outside. And there are two quotes that I would like to highlight:
Quote: This is a war zone - not an amusement park. — CSM Michael Hall
Quote: If the physical fitness of America’s youth does not improve, then it will be a major national security issue within 10 years. — LTG Mark P. Hertling
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7405 times:
Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 4): These establishments are providing cheap, unhealthy, food to an already stressed force (even the Fobbits). Numerous studies have shown the benefits of what healthy eating and exercise can do for stress reduction.
I thought a bit about this issue presented in the blog entry and I gotta agree with Aaron here -- especially as he has been there and knows first hand. While providing the comforts of home to our fighting men and women is important, providing them with fatty, greasy, shitty food is not. I'd rather see the uplift space and $$$ used to provide better food in the messes at the main and forward bases. At the end of the day I think the decision to provide more access to phones and internet is a better morale booster than a Whopper with cheese.
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I generally agree with you on the elimination of fa(s)t food, but Oakley stores aren't a bad thing. Weren't they originally designed for the military and don't they offer a substantial discount? In such a sunny theater, it makes sense to sell high quality shades.
As an aside, I think the military should replace these places with places like Subway and El Pollo Loco, which will remind soldiers of home and provide much better nutrition. And how about smoothie bars that use all healthy ingredients and high quality protein?
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venus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7207 times:
The bigger picture is reduces our logistics trail which supplies these shops which have to be trucked through Pakistan which is very vunerable to Taliban,Al Quida attacks. Many a truck driver usally a third country national have been killed so troops can have starbucks coffee and useless fubu brand clothing they can't wear in theater being stocked at the bx.
FlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7132 times:
Mixed feelings about this one. I can see both sides. I can see the argument for healthier eating, especially in the war zone, but I know even at Ramstein Air Base in Germany, even with great German options on and off base, the American options provided on base were a welcome taste of home.
Quoting N1120A (Reply 6): And how about smoothie bars that use all healthy ingredients and high quality protein?
Not sure about the overseas facilities, but the on-base gyms state-side often have a smoothie bar.
Iairallie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7068 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 6): I think the military should replace these places with places like Subway
Some of the overseas bases do. There is a subway at the ramstein terminal.
We always looked forward to dinner at the Chili's in Kadena if we had been flying asia for several weeks. Don't get me wrong I love local cuisine but sometimes you get a little homesick and having a meal from home helps and we are only out for maybe a month at a time.
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29836 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6962 times:
Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 9): I know even at Ramstein Air Base in Germany, even with great German options on and off base, the American options provided on base were a welcome taste of home.
Got to agree there. When it comes to food I feel the US miltiary does underappreciate it's value, which is one of the reasons I have heard of MRE to French ration of 10 to 1 for trading stock.
But there is also a point about the logistic trail required.
Quoting DesertJets (Reply 5): At the end of the day I think the decision to provide more access to phones and internet is a better morale booster than a Whopper with cheese.
I think you underestimate the morale booster of a Whopper. I remember the first one I got to have after basic training graduation at Ft. Jackson S.C. It was in the same Burger King that about three years later Danny Devito filmed a scene for "Rennisance Man" in. Like I said I still remember that burger.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
OMG, you beat me to it. I love the pic of the fit Marine sitting there wit the fat Army guy behind him in the DFAC.
I am in Iraq, which is a world away from Afghan, and my base has everything you can name, except McDonalds. I will say, I always eat at the DFACs and stay away from the fast food, but sometimes you can't get to the DFACs before they close, and the fast food is an option.
I understand both sides of this as well. There are too many fat soldiers in theater, and something needs to be done.
I will say, I have yet to see an out of shape Marine, though.
Iairallie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6755 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 12): Giant fried onions aren't exactly the best choice either.
Not as part of a regular diet no. But splitting one with a group of friends once in a while isn't a health issue.
Quoting Mudboy (Reply 16): I will say, I have yet to see an out of shape Marine, though.
Thats why they are my favorite! I love it when we get a plane load of Marine eye candy.
Quoting Mudboy (Reply 16): There are too many fat soldiers in theater, and something needs to be done.
If logistics is the reason fine but if it is because there are too many fat soldiers this is not the solution. They shouldn't take away a creature comfort from everyone because there are some out of shape soldiers they should deal directly with the problem soldiers. This is the military they can give the fatties mandatory PT and bar them from eating at these estabishments until they get into better fighting form.
Aaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8289 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6712 times:
Quoting Iairallie (Reply 17): Not as part of a regular diet no. But splitting one with a group of friends once in a while isn't a health issue.
Sure, but they can do that with friends when they're on leave. When they're on the job it's a detriment to a fundamental part of readiness - namely mental and physical fitness. For a lot of people who like that kind of food, once in awhile simply isn't enough - there are people who grow up on that crap because their parents have fed it to them from day one.
Quoting Iairallie (Reply 17): This is the military they can give the fatties mandatory PT and bar them from eating at these estabishments until they get into better fighting form.
Sounds to me like those eating establishments are still part of the problem then - otherwise why would they need to be barred from eating there? It's not just the fried food - it's everything, the ingredients with fake cheeses and processed white breads, portion sizes, sauces, etc. American fast foods offer nothing even remotely nutritional in value other than high calorie counts, and that doesn't help anyone. I've always ate well and watched my intake of processed food, and even so, and within two months of arriving in Japan easily shed 10 pounds without changing activity levels despite a plethora of fried food and meat-favoring diet.
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LMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 6491 times:
Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 4): Soldiers are coming home, on average, 20-30lbs heavier than when they deployed.
Twenty to thirty pounds???!!!!! In four years in the Navy I put on fifteen pounds, of course I had grown two inches. Even bubble heads, submarine types, on average put on around ten in a deployment. That's from being locked up in a steel tube eating the best chow the Navy has to offer.
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 63
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 4 hours ago) and read 6230 times:
Last time I was in KBL, we brought a load of food in for the French ISAF troops. I understand that food from home can be a morale booster for the troops out in the field. The load appasrently consistet of fresh foods packed in dry ice, among it definitely cheese (no joking, the cargo hold of our 747F smelled of it). Also mail from home, which is oimportant for the morale of the troops as well. But I´m quite sure that the French serve more healthy food to their troops (I don´t know if they are still allowed their glass of wine with dinner). On the other hand, I´ve never seen a fat French soldier (or a British one, as it is).
: Bi-annually when at home, I don't know about downrange. With a decreasing force commitment, there have been improvements in the quality of soldier be
: The smaller the ship, the fewer options, the less space available for the equipment. I've never seen more than a weight bench on a submarine, and the
: On the bigger bases you can find smoothie bars at the gyms, but the nature of Afghanistan means that a lot of soldiers are stationed at much smaller,
: It's what I've noticed in ROTC, and from what my drill sergeants were telling me this past summer, and I should have emphasized it may be on the offi
: Good god. Can Americans not go anywhere without gorging themselves on craptastic faux "food"? Americans are the only group of people I've ever spent
: But they can put in a Burger King? So odd.
: Actually that closed when the new "KMC Center" BX/PX mall opened up next door... It's not totally gone, it just moved to the new facility...
: You forget that only a minority of the soldiers in e.g. Afghanistan are actually in frontline duty. Most are working in offices in some base and are m
: An appropriate way of putting it, by accident or design?
: Good idea downrange, but anything in moderation is ok. The problem is the unhealthy foods combined with intense stress makes for a damaging situation
: Somewhat Ironic all of your images are not of members of the American Military. Perhaps "gorging on craptastic faux food" is not as uniquely American
: Unfortunately I don't think you can use the cadet corps as an appropriate gauge for enlisted recruitment, and basic training standards. In fact, ther
: Part of it might be that if you are abroad (and not only in the military), many people need something at home they can relate to, let´s say a kind o
: Exactly not one of the fatties was American. 99% of my flights are military and most of the guys look fantastic. There are some that carry some extra
: Ok, of the 4 photos, 2 were of fatties... I've been trying to figure out exactly which country they are from. The first fatty in the green camo judgi
: That has to be bad for the morale of those who actually take care of themselves. We had a guy in my shop who was obese and put on a wieght loss progr