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What Is With All Of The Opposition To The Census?  
User currently offlineHercTech From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 61 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5839 times:

Simple question, really. This has has been a standard practice since the US was first founded. Yet for the first time that I can personally remember there has been serious opposition to the census.

Why is this?

It seems that the most opposition is coming fom those who strongly oppose the current administration, so is this another one of those "we distrust the Obama administration and it's socialst/communist/Marxist ways" or is there actually something that should be of genuine concern?

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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5805 times:

The Census is in the Constitution. Those who wrapped themselves so tightly in it are now opposing it.

User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5660 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5781 times:

I don't thnk it's the Census per se that's the problem. It's the questions. The Constitution calls for an actual enumeration, as I recall. Why ask for race, income, housing status, etc.? I could understand the race question back when The Constitution was ratified (due to the 3/5's nonsense, well not really nonsense in application, but dispicable, nonetheless), but why now? What do these questions really matter?

Quoting HercTech (Thread starter):
Yet for the first time that I can personally remember there has been serious opposition to the census.

There were some of the same rumblings in 2000. As I recall, the Census was even more intrusive.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
Those who wrapped themselves so tightly in it are now opposing it.

Again, no opposition to The Census, just the nature of some of the questions.

[Edited 2010-04-02 01:50:13]


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User currently offlineflynlr From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5775 times:

I did fill out the census as required by law , but the racial info I told em to eff off. all the other info asked for is important for genealogy so I had no problem with,. but it seemed the focus of the questions was race. so I put American


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5374 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5773 times:

I've never understood the opposition either. I often hear people say that the government doesn't have any business knowing the answers to the questions asked on the census form. Hate to break it to everyone, but the government already has most of that info.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 2):
Why ask for race

Why not? How else are they going to determine an accurate minority population?

Quoting flynlr (Reply 3):
but the racial info I told em to eff off

Again why? How else is the government going to get an accurate count of the different minorities residing in this county? Besides, what's so bad about asking for someone's race?



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User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13203 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5722 times:

As the Census questionaire asks for info for each person residing in a household including full names, birthdates and race, all very sensitive subjects. From issues of idenity theft, a fear by some that such info can be used against them, that it is an invasion of privacy, fear of government, that race is a question all raise objections to wanting to respond by some.

If you are illegally in the USA, there is a fear of the government coming in and taking you away using Census info. If you are illegally sharing a home or apartment, you may fear that local government may take you away and make you homeless. Many don't want to disclose their race and a signifcant number of white people feel that the race info is used to take tax monies from them and give it to programs more benefiting those who are persons of color. The 'race' question is also very badly done, failing to recognize those of mixed race, like Tiger Woods.


User currently offlinehomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2254 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 5711 times:

Quoting HercTech (Thread starter):
It seems that the most opposition is coming fom those who strongly oppose the current administration, so is this another one of those "we distrust the Obama administration and it's socialst/communist/Marxist ways" or is there actually something that should be of genuine concern?

Didn't the Obama administration want to change it so that the U.S. Census report directly to the White House (instead of Dept of Commerce) last year? Did they go through with it?

If it's true, there might be opposition because of the fear that Obama might influence redistricting to favor Democrats.

Oh, well, I already completed/mailed my census form: 2 1/2 minutes, big whoop



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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6181 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 22 hours ago) and read 5634 times:
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Quoting HercTech (Thread starter):
It seems that the most opposition is coming fom those who strongly oppose the current administration, so is this another one of those "we distrust the Obama administration and it's socialst/communist/Marxist ways" or is there actually something that should be of genuine concern?
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
Those who wrapped themselves so tightly in it are now opposing it.

I have met several black people from Detroit who are all upset that the form uses the word negro. Two of these women say they will not send in their form and will wait until somebody comes and counts them. I am working on another degree at the University of Detroit and we had a very lively discussion in class about the census. Every person in the class who said they were not filling it out was black. I was only person in class who did not vote for Obama

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 2):
There were some of the same rumblings in 2000. As I recall, the Census was even more intrusive.

My dad was a census worker in 2000. he counted some of the most difficult people to count, like people in group homes, nuns in convents, the mentally handicapped, etc. Dad never ran into trouble, but he knew people who did, usually in low income areas, regardless of the race involved.

I filled out my form the day it came and I mailed it the next day.



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User currently offlineTLG From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 5614 times:

Quoting falstaff (Reply 7):
I filled out my form the day it came and I mailed it the next day.
Quoting homer71 (Reply 6):
Oh, well, I already completed/mailed my census form: 2 1/2 minutes, big whoop

Same here!

Quoting flynlr (Reply 3):
I did fill out the census as required by law , but the racial info I told em to eff off.

Why? I have no idea what your race is, but are you ashamed of it?

-TLG


User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6678 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 5612 times:
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Quoting flynlr (Reply 3):
but it seemed the focus of the questions was race. so I put American

Is "American" a race?



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User currently offlineJakeOrion From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1255 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 5604 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 4):
Again why? How else is the government going to get an accurate count of the different minorities residing in this county? Besides, what's so bad about asking for someone's race?

Because I don't care about race. I see you as American. Even if your skin is purple and you have a dozen arms, you are an American to me. That should be all that matters.

The Census should be nothing more than a head count, nothing else.



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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5660 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 5604 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 4):
How else are they going to determine an accurate minority population?

To what end? Why is it necessary to know how many minorities live in a certain community?

Quoting flynlr (Reply 3):
asked for is important for genealogy

Which questions are those? And where in The Constitution does it say say this is for geneology purposes? The reason for the census is so that we know how many people need representation in The House.

And what of the American Community Survey? A sample of the population received that one and its response is required by law also. That one is way too intrusive and I again fail to see its Constitutional purpose.

[Edited 2010-04-02 07:32:21]


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User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 5584 times:

Here's an interesting link on Bachmann's effort to boycott the census: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...ensus-hurting-their-own-cause.html

User currently offlineMarSciGuy From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 551 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 5575 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 4):
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 2):
Why ask for race

Why not? How else are they going to determine an accurate minority population?

  

For one there is all sorts of federal money that is targetted at minority communities (and has been for decades...) I suppose for those who wish we were still in the "melting pot society means no one can retain their original culture" stage of our history this must be upsetting...

Just as Mr. Rove had success with micro-targetting in polling and political messages (whether right or wrong), knowing where the money needs to be spent can help the government significantly as well.

The "American" racial choice may actually cost the census money by forcing someone to come out and get a more accurate description - way to go at keeping the deficit down!



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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5660 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 5561 times:

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 12):
Here's an interesting link on Bachmann's effort to boycott the census

Actually, it's an effort to boycott all but the questins on the actual count. The "actual enumeration."

"not to fill out any information on the 2010 census except for the question that asks how many people reside in each household"

Her concern is a bit extreme and not what I've come to expect from Bachmann. Maybe playing to Beck's slightly more extreme than the norm audience? If that's the case, it's a mistake.



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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5660 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 5556 times:

Quoting MarSciGuy (Reply 13):
For one there is all sorts of federal money that is targetted at minority communities (and has been for decades...) I suppose for those who wish we were still in the "melting pot society means no one can retain their original culture" stage of our history this must be upsetting...

So, it's discriminatory in nature? More money going to minority communities that 'white' communities? I understand.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 5521 times:

Quoting falstaff (Reply 7):

I have met several black people from Detroit who are all upset that the form uses the word negro.

Then they need to get over it because it includes a bunch of other words for it, too. And I hear Black people using that word all the time, usually in a joking way, but they use it. They also use a worse N-word.


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10674 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 5500 times:

Quoting Ltbewr (Reply 5):
failing to recognize those of mixed race, like Tiger Woods.

Or the President.  



My only opposition to the Census is not the Census, itself, but to all the money being spent on TV adds and mailers to the population. A week before I got my Census form, I received a letter telling me it was coming and a week after I got the form and sent it in, I got a postcard reminding me to do just that.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15841 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 5485 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 4):
Hate to break it to everyone, but the government already has most of that info.

They just have to know where to look. I don't know where the outrage comes from...boredom maybe?

Quoting Ltbewr (Reply 5):
If you are illegally in the USA, there is a fear of the government coming in and taking you away using Census info. If you are illegally sharing a home or apartment, you may fear that local government may take you away and make you homeless.

Well the workaround for that is to not do anything illegal.

Quoting mayor (Reply 17):
but to all the money being spent on TV adds and mailers to the population.

Those are some horrible commercials.



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User currently offlinemNeo From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2004, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 5486 times:

Quoting falstaff (Reply 7):
I have met several black people from Detroit who are all upset that the form uses the word negro.

To the defense of the government, it was ether black or negro and no matter what they put someone would have gotten upset. People have to realize that African American is not a race it is a heritage. There are plenty of white african americans and plenty of blacks who are not from Africa.

I have a family member that works as a contractor to the census(for database security) and the information is stored in one of the few database locations in the US that meet the highest government security tests. The chance of a hacker getting Census information is the same as one getting the plans for the B2 bombers(Harris and Lockheed Martin are responsible for the databases)

In the end, the census gives a snapshot of the US as it stands today. In 10/20 years when other censuses are preformed we would be able to see movement of different races, increases/decreases in them. It provides good statistical data for how the country is developing. Race is a big factor and while it was not asked in the most elegant way, im surprised that people are so against it, as there are clear historical benefits for this.



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User currently offlinePacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 5489 times:

I used to figure that people who opposed the census were a bit paranoid until the federal government sent me the American Community Survey (ACS) a couple of years ago at which point my resentment level went through the roof. For those of you who don't know, the American Community Survey is "a nationwide survey designed to provide communities a fresh look at how they are changing. It is a critical element in the Census Bureau's reengineered decennial census program. The ACS collects and produces population and housing information every year instead of every ten years." source: http://www.census.gov/acs/www/

The ACS is without a doubt the most intrusive demand from the U.S. government I have ever received. I don't use the term "demand" lightly. The instructions that accompanied the form informed me that I was required by law to fill it out in its entirety and return it. Among the pieces of information collected in the survey are the following:

Age
Race
Gender
Date of birth
Marital status
Extent of formal education
Name of colleges or universities attended
Field majored in in college
Military service history
Type of health insurance
Physical or mental disabilities
Type of residence (when built, number of rooms, acreage, etc.)
How long person has lived in current residence
Amount spent on utilities
Current assessed value of residence
Real estate taxes on residence
Amount spent on home owners insurance for residence
Current mortgage payment on residence
Employment status
Type of job
Address of workplace
Distance to commute to work
Number of hours worked for the past 12 months
Income from salary, wages, tips, etc. (dollar amounts)
Income from interest and dividends (dollar amounts)
Other sources of income (dollar amounts)

Source: http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downlo...0%29%20Stateside%20English_web.pdf

Now, here is the best part: You are required by law to put your name, address, and phone number on the survey That's right, after providing all sorts of information including detailed financial data, you are required to put your name on the form.

Now is it clear why some people get paranoid about the census?


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 5478 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 2):
The Constitution was ratified (due to the 3/5's nonsense, well not really nonsense in application, but dispicable, nonetheless), but why now? What do these questions really matter?

Counting the slaves as 3/5 of a citizen was done to equalize the number of congress districts a state would have and had nothing to do with race. If the slaves were counted 1 for 1 the slave states would have had more congressional districts than the non-slave states and therefore more power. The non-slave states were responsible for the 3/5 compromise not the slave states.

Quoting homer71 (Reply 6):
Oh, well, I already completed/mailed my census form: 2 1/2 minutes, big whoop
Quoting TLG (Reply 8):
Same here!

I hope you waited until 1 April to fill it out, if not you perjured yourselves.


User currently offlineKingairTA From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 5465 times:

For those who cry about privacy/identity theft etc take a look at your facebook/myspace or anything they post online.

User currently offlinePNQIAD From India, joined May 2006, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 5461 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 21):
I hope you waited until 1 April to fill it out, if not you perjured yourselves.

You can't perjure if you aren't under oath. There is no oath / signature requirement on the census form.


User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3731 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 5425 times:

I heard an hour long radio interview with a census representative. Nobody has ever been prosecuted for not filling out the census.
He mentioned that this thing is good for business because for instance, the local grocery store could see the demographics and stock more rice if the Asian population was growing. Just one of his examples of why this is a good thing.

I have problems with providing my name and wonder why one of Obamas first acts after election was to wrestle control of the results to the White House. Something stinks there. I've considered telling them there are 20 Whites living here with head of household Donald Duck.


25 PacNWjet : This is a typical government view of things. No one can think for him or herself without the government helping out. Does the official in question re
26 Dreadnought : Actually, the questions in this year's census mirrors almost exactly the same questions as the 1790 census - the first one mandated by the Constituti
27 fr8mech : Absolutely correct, it was used to limit the power of the slave states. But it had everything to do with race...and slavery. Who were the slaves? But
28 Post contains links Boeing1970 : Then why ask for it again it? Not even close. Questions Asked on the 1790 Census http://www.censusfinder.com/1790-census.htm Questions asked in 2010
29 fr8mech : Even if they were similar (they aren't), why is it necessary to know the racial make-up of my household and by extension, my community?
30 mayor : I don't think you are legally bound to do anything with this "American Community Survey" as it isn't the legal census as required by the Constitution
31 Post contains images Yellowstone : So you're white. Lots of elderly black people still self-identify as Negro; that's why that term is on the census form. Pretty foolish of them - odds
32 Post contains links PacNWjet : Wrong! Here is exactly what is stated at the U.S. Census Bureau website: "The American Community Survey is a separate part of the 2010 Census program
33 fr8mech : Didn't say I didn't fill it out. In fact, I encourage everyone to fill it out. I'm hoping the smiley meant that statement was tongue in cheek. A quot
34 mayor : Funny, I see nothing in the Constitution about an American Community Survey. The Constitution specifies which years the Census is to be held and 2008
35 Post contains links fr8mech : Do I have to respond to the 2010 Census and the American Community Survey? Yes. The American Community Survey, which replaced the decennial census lon
36 Slider : I concur. I’m a libertarian and conservative and believe in the core Constitutionality of the census. It’s a valuable tool. And for those who hav
37 Dreadnought : I agree that should go away. But it doesn't hurt much. I remember that. All the parts asking about money issues etc, I wrote in black marker "NONE OF
38 474218 : The "Founding Fathers" would have had done the same 3/5 compromise of the slaves were Irish, Polish, etc. You are correct. However, if you filled out
39 fr8mech : Probably, but today we would be arguning the validity of asking whether someone was of Irish or Polish decent. Six one way, half dozen the other. The
40 474218 : How right you are. My wife and I are raising a mixed race niece and she is the love of our life.
41 PSA53 : I don't object to the census.After the ACORN scandal,I question it's accuracy or maybe a correction is due.And I'm wondering about these census taker
42 N200WN : Thanks for posting the information about the ACS. I too received the form and refused to complete it. This prompted three visits to my house by a Cen
43 MarSciGuy : In my opinion, selectively following the law, whichever one it is, is just as bad as blatantly violating the more important laws...
44 fr8mech : I would tend to agree, but we all speed, don't we? I did some looking in the CFR and still couldn't find the requirement to take the ACS. But then ag
45 Post contains links PacNWjet : Here you go: TITLE 13 - CENSUS CHAPTER 7 - OFFENSES AND PENALTIES SUBCHAPTER II - OTHER PERSONS -HEAD- Sec. 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questio
46 fr8mech : Oh well, thanks. I guess when the attach the Census name t it, it becomes OK. I wonder if the statute or, more specifically, the questions have been
47 Dreadnought : Frankly I don't give a crap. The government needs to know where people live to operate - no problem there. But it has no business about all the other
48 474218 : Then everyone that filled out the Census form and turned it in before 1 April violated this section.
49 Post contains images DocLightning : Well, you can relax, because you obviously haven't opened your census envelope yet. In fact, there are no such questions. Names, how everyone is rela
50 Post contains links PacNWjet : Apparently you missed the entire discussion of the American Community Survey (ACS) (see my first post at reply #20) and subsequent posts on this topi
51 fr8mech : Agreed.
52 Yellowstone : Everyone, that is, except for those of us concerned with how the real world works - a real world in which black people are poorer, go to worse school
53 fr8mech : So, once again we're back to the nanny state. How about this? How about the media stops making race an issue? How about our politicians? How about ou
54 rfields5421 : There were thousands of people who did not select African-American or Black in the last census and hand wrote "Negro" on the form. Which caused the f
55 PacNWjet : Uh, huh. Then why doesn't the government collect that sort of data in the aggregate instead of tying it to specific individuals? The American Communi
56 Post contains images johnboy : I saw a news story that some counties in Texas were registering in the single digits in returned forms. Quite frankly I encourage all the wingnuttery
57 moose135 : Interesting thread, to say the least. I'm working for the Census Bureau, have been since November, in a local census office. The amount of misinformat
58 Slider : Good point. And thank you for putting it in context of the Founders too...you're right. Do you want me to break that news to Je$$e Jack$on or do you?
59 MoltenRock : What amuses me about those who whine about it being "invasive" haven't said one word about all the info that private companies have been using and col
60 mayor : But was it necessary to send me a letter to tell me the census form was coming since I already knew that from the stupid TV ads? Was it necessary to
61 MoltenRock : Yes. Firstly, because American direct marketers (junk mail if you will) especially of the Republican bend - conservative spectrum, were trying to mak
62 Post contains images mayor : So, this is Obama's "jobs" program? Sorry, but the extra "appeals" are just annoying, to me. I guess I wouldn't be, either IF I thought that was what
63 seb146 : Kinda like what happened in Texas a few years ago? Because it benefited Republicans, it was right, though. I only say that because of the "what's the
64 mayor : Do you actually think the Democrats haven't done the same thing, over the years? Doesn't make it right on either side.
65 Dreadnought : It's wrong no matter who does it, especially after the administration abandons even all pretenses of trying to do it fairly, or did you forget that e
66 MoltenRock : But, you remember it. And THAT is the key behind any program. You remember it, and therefore follow thru with it. You may claim you are "annoyed" but
67 PacNWjet : Since I am one of the people who "whined" about the intrusive American Community Survey I was sent a couple of years ago (which asked me all sorts of
68 Yellowstone : So by your logic, all the South had to do to fix school segregation was to stop tracking whether its students were white or black... Of course it's t
69 Post contains images PacNWjet : So, wait a second. The California Utility Commission had no idea what rates Enron was charging customers until it got that information from data coll
70 MoltenRock : As a marketer myself I care a great, great, deal about such info. Without it I cannot sell to you as effectively as I can. By the same token, your da
71 474218 : It wasn't just the South that had segregated schools. I went to school in Ohio and California and until I got to high school all may schools were seg
72 fr8mech : Your going back 50 years for an example? But to answer your question, different era. Different norms. A shift was required. We were not color-blind t
73 seb146 : When districts were re-drawn under right-wing control in Texas there was not one word of opposition from right-wingers. Simply "what's the big deal?"
74 Post contains links PacNWjet : Glad to hear it. Since you are so comfortable with the census, why don't you take out a piece of paper, put your name, address, and phone number at t
75 Yellowstone : On a neighborhood-by-neighborhood basis, clearly race isn't a factor - a depressed neighborhood needs help regardless of the race of the people who l
76 N200WN : That is completely unfair and you know it. The counties in Texas with the lowest return rates are along the Mexican border, where language barriers a
77 Baroque : Apparently a number of a.netters must not have credit cards. Why not set aside a part of a state, N Dakota perhaps, where capitalism red in tooth and
78 johnboy : Actually they weren't. They were in the Panhandle area and in North Texas
79 ZANL188 : Schools in the South were segregated by law. Schools in the rest of the country were semi-segregated due to the schools being aligned with the commun
80 Ltbewr : One of the best reasons for the race/hispanic ethinc question in the Census is due to that being critical factors in setting state legisgature and Fed
81 mayor : The setting of districts is supposed to be done strictly by the numbers in that district, not by race, etc.
82 varigb707 : I'm sure the opposition comes from anti Obama supporters.
83 474218 : This has been done for years, right after each census, its called "GERRYMANDERING". It is done to put all the minorities one or just a few districts
84 Slider : Again, erroneous. One is voluntary, the other is forced. Like I said, I see value in mining this kind of data. But even with the grocery card thing,
85 CPH-R : To answer the OP: Paranoia. Why not? What do you think such an analysis is done for? For the FEMA camps to know what foods and goods to store? Or perh
86 Post contains links PacNWjet : Does the Danish government require you to provide the following information (along with your name, address, and phone number) and, if you refuse, to
87 CPH-R : They already know that, courtesy of my CPR-number (think SSN).
88 PacNWjet : Well, I guess that's one of the reasons my great-grandmother who was born in Copenhagen left Europe in the 19th century. Some of us whose ancestors r
89 Post contains images CPH-R : That would have been a mighty impressive display of foresight, given that the CPR system wasn't introduced until 1968
90 MoltenRock : Yup. I would encourage all those people that are scared of the socialist/nazi/fascist/whatever conspiracy knocking at their door to not fill out the
91 PacNWjet : This is the sort of reductio ad absurdum argument that, sadly, is what passes for intellectual debate by some individuals on the left these days. I h
92 windy95 : Name, rank and serial number. And amount of people in the dwelling is all I gave up...
93 fr8mech : Actually, I was opposed to the intrusiveness of the Census in 2000. Let's see...who was The President then? Very nice. Excellent post. In closing, I
94 Post contains images mayor : Slick Willy or was it Hillary? I DO get the two of them mixed up.
95 Boeing1970 : Any of you who think the government can protect this data 100% should start looking for buckets of prop wash. Signed, VA Laptop Users Questions #3 and
96 fr8mech : Correct aand he was a fair (as in average) president who did govern from the middle. Didn't like a lot of what he did, but at least he was upfront an
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