4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2851 posts, RR: 10 Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3271 times:
Geez, couldn't they have cruised that thing into the harbor at night?
Actually, with half the crew in the brig and the other half downloading Lady Gaga, perhaps not...
Pyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3542 posts, RR: 28 Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3268 times:
I just wonder what wearing shoes has to do with your ability to drive a submarine... do submarines have pedals like cars you can slip off if you're bare-foot?
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tu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 907 posts, RR: 19 Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3194 times:
No shoes = lack of discipline and respect to your duties.
About the cost of a new sub I have no clue, but our new Borei class sub cost well over a billion. Knowing how the US likes to overprice everything military related...you get the idea.
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BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14409 posts, RR: 26 Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3187 times:
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9292 posts, RR: 12 Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3009 times:
Don't believe everything you read in The Sun. Do a little research before casting judgement
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LMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2917 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 6): Don't believe everything you read in The Sun. Do a little research before casting judgement
That is true but it appears the story about the failings of the skipper and crew are true. Even those officers who recieved NJP are going to find their careers effectively at an end.
A342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4656 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2901 times:
Quoting Pyrex (Reply 2): I just wonder what wearing shoes has to do with your ability to drive a submarine... do submarines have pedals like cars you can slip off if you're bare-foot?
Quoting tu204 (Reply 4): No shoes = lack of discipline and respect to your duties.
And more, on a submarine, you have to be prepared for an emergency anytime. Running around bare-footed when there is a fire for example isn't a good idea...
Ronglimeng From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 624 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2858 times:
Quoting LMP737 (Reply 8): Even those officers who recieved NJP are going to find their careers effectively at an end.
What about officers and men who were not considered derelict in their duties? Would they still have a stain on their records?
What could you do if you joined a ship like this and sensed it was an accident waiting to happen? Try to transfer off as soon as possible? Or just do your job as best you can and hope for the best?
It must be really galling for most of those who were aboard who had seen higher standards in previous ships.
mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9272 posts, RR: 13 Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2853 times:
Well, unless I'm mistaken, the navigator only plots the course.....the helmsman is the one steering it.
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Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 7879 posts, RR: 22 Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2819 times:
I can't remember ever hearing of such gross negligence on the part of this sub's senior officers in the US Navy.
LMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2792 times:
Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 10): What about officers and men who were not considered derelict in their duties? Would they still have a stain on their records?
Officers and men who were not derilict in their duties could probably survive with their careers intact. Navies are funny things though. A promotion board might be trying to decide on who to advance and the deciding factor maybe they see that an officer served aboard the Hartford at the time of the collision. You never know.
Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 10): What could you do if you joined a ship like this and sensed it was an accident waiting to happen? Try to transfer off as soon as possible? Or just do your job as best you can and hope for the best?
It's kind of a Catch 22. I can't speak for officers but as an enlisted man you're really not in the position to ask for a transfer. When I reported to my first command it had some serious issues. However I was eighteen and it never occured to me to ask for a transfer. If I had it probably been a quick ticket working in the chow hall. So instead I just did my job to the best of my abilities. Fortanetly things got better.
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 7879 posts, RR: 22 Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2768 times:
Quoting LMP737 (Reply 14): Officers and men who were not derilict in their duties could probably survive with their careers intact. Navies are funny things though. A promotion board might be trying to decide on who to advance and the deciding factor maybe they see that an officer served aboard the Hartford at the time of the collision. You never know.
Every year there are thousands upon thousands of very capable Lieutenants and Lieutenant Commanders waiting for a chance at command of a ship, or at least a senior officer slot like Exec - a necessary next step for advancement. Every available slot probably has a dozen or more candidates, and the Navy is going to choose the one with the most unblemished record. One hint of irresponsibility or negligence, even if not directly attributable to him, and they will pick someone else. There are dozens of stories about a junior officer, standing his first watch and running his destroyer up on a sandbar because of a mistake made by the navigator or helmsman, and his Navy career ending right there.
Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 7502 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2768 times:
As long as people didn't die, the military can learn from this. Generally speaking the Navy knows what they are doing. I am just glad nobody died. The rest of it can remedy itself.
A new submarine is in the $1 billion - $3 billion zone.
varigb707 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1229 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2377 times:
What about the price tag for the repairs. Will the people involved in this pay anything, at all?!
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 10565 posts, RR: 21 Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2336 times:
Quoting varigb707 (Reply 16): What about the price tag for the repairs.
The article said $100M but I think it'll be more.
Quoting varigb707 (Reply 16): Will the people involved in this pay anything, at all?!
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 10565 posts, RR: 21 Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2329 times:
Actually the Navy Times report above says the navigation officer was off-duty and in the wardroom wearing an iPod while studying for an exam when the collision happened. It's a bit of sensationalism at work, IMHO.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2318 times:
bjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 2776 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1950 times:
Generally, speaking the Captain's career is over. Anytime you run a ship a ground even if you weren't on the ship your career is. And essentially, the JOs responsible will get a page 7 (or whatever the Navy calls it) not a career killer but not a good thing.
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TheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2346 posts, RR: 6 Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1929 times:
Quoting Revelation (Reply 18): Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
Driver Wrecks US Nuclear Sub Listening To IPod.
Actually the Navy Times report above says the navigation officer was off-duty and in the wardroom wearing an iPod while studying for an exam when the collision happened. It's a bit of sensationalism at work, IMHO.
Nothing like listening to your ipod when you should be concentrating on studying for your exams
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