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Driver Wrecks US Nuclear Sub Listening To IPod.  
User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7197 posts, RR: 86
Posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3929 times:
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Darwin Award might be more appropriate than Navy Cross here...wow.   

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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2999 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

Geez, couldn't they have cruised that thing into the harbor at night?

Actually, with half the crew in the brig and the other half downloading Lady Gaga, perhaps not...



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3953 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

I just wonder what wearing shoes has to do with your ability to drive a submarine... do submarines have pedals like cars you can slip off if you're bare-foot?


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User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3428 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3850 times:
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About $85million for repairs? How much cost a new one?


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User currently offlinetu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1176 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3820 times:

No shoes = lack of discipline and respect to your duties.
About the cost of a new sub I have no clue, but our new Borei class sub cost well over a billion. Knowing how the US likes to overprice everything military related...you get the idea.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3813 times:

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 3):
How much cost a new one?

The Hartford was probably well over a billion when it was commissioned in 1994. The new Virginia Class boats come in at about $1.8 billion per.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3635 times:

Don't believe everything you read in The Sun. Do a little research before casting judgement


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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3610 times:

Here's a link with some better pictures. The sail took a beating!!

http://www.queenfish.org/noframes/hartford_collision.htm


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 6):
Don't believe everything you read in The Sun. Do a little research before casting judgement

That is true but it appears the story about the failings of the skipper and crew are true. Even those officers who recieved NJP are going to find their careers effectively at an end.

http://www.militarytimes.com/news/2009/11/navy_hartford_111509w/


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4680 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 2):
I just wonder what wearing shoes has to do with your ability to drive a submarine... do submarines have pedals like cars you can slip off if you're bare-foot?
Quoting tu204 (Reply 4):
No shoes = lack of discipline and respect to your duties.

And more, on a submarine, you have to be prepared for an emergency anytime. Running around bare-footed when there is a fire for example isn't a good idea...



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User currently offlineRonglimeng From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3484 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 8):
Even those officers who recieved NJP are going to find their careers effectively at an end.

What about officers and men who were not considered derelict in their duties? Would they still have a stain on their records?

What could you do if you joined a ship like this and sensed it was an accident waiting to happen? Try to transfer off as soon as possible? Or just do your job as best you can and hope for the best?

It must be really galling for most of those who were aboard who had seen higher standards in previous ships.


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3479 times:

Well, unless I'm mistaken, the navigator only plots the course.....the helmsman is the one steering it.


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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8795 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3445 times:

I can't remember ever hearing of such gross negligence on the part of this sub's senior officers in the US Navy.

Unbelievable.

[Edited 2010-04-10 09:04:19]


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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3418 times:

Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 10):
What about officers and men who were not considered derelict in their duties? Would they still have a stain on their records?

Officers and men who were not derilict in their duties could probably survive with their careers intact. Navies are funny things though. A promotion board might be trying to decide on who to advance and the deciding factor maybe they see that an officer served aboard the Hartford at the time of the collision. You never know.

Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 10):
What could you do if you joined a ship like this and sensed it was an accident waiting to happen? Try to transfer off as soon as possible? Or just do your job as best you can and hope for the best?

It's kind of a Catch 22. I can't speak for officers but as an enlisted man you're really not in the position to ask for a transfer. When I reported to my first command it had some serious issues. However I was eighteen and it never occured to me to ask for a transfer. If I had it probably been a quick ticket working in the chow hall. So instead I just did my job to the best of my abilities. Fortanetly things got better.


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8795 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3394 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 14):
Officers and men who were not derilict in their duties could probably survive with their careers intact. Navies are funny things though. A promotion board might be trying to decide on who to advance and the deciding factor maybe they see that an officer served aboard the Hartford at the time of the collision. You never know.

Every year there are thousands upon thousands of very capable Lieutenants and Lieutenant Commanders waiting for a chance at command of a ship, or at least a senior officer slot like Exec - a necessary next step for advancement. Every available slot probably has a dozen or more candidates, and the Navy is going to choose the one with the most unblemished record. One hint of irresponsibility or negligence, even if not directly attributable to him, and they will pick someone else. There are dozens of stories about a junior officer, standing his first watch and running his destroyer up on a sandbar because of a mistake made by the navigator or helmsman, and his Navy career ending right there.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8416 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3394 times:

As long as people didn't die, the military can learn from this. Generally speaking the Navy knows what they are doing. I am just glad nobody died. The rest of it can remedy itself.

A new submarine is in the $1 billion - $3 billion zone.


User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3003 times:

What about the price tag for the repairs. Will the people involved in this pay anything, at all?!  

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12360 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2962 times:

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 16):
What about the price tag for the repairs.

The article said $100M but I think it'll be more.

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 16):
Will the people involved in this pay anything, at all?!

Not directly.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12360 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2955 times:

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
Driver Wrecks US Nuclear Sub Listening To IPod.

Actually the Navy Times report above says the navigation officer was off-duty and in the wardroom wearing an iPod while studying for an exam when the collision happened. It's a bit of sensationalism at work, IMHO.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2944 times:

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
Darwin Award

No one died so that guy wouldn't qualify for this award.

More like a D'oh! Award sponsored by Homer Simpson.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3398 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

Generally, speaking the Captain's career is over. Anytime you run a ship a ground even if you weren't on the ship your career is. And essentially, the JOs responsible will get a page 7 (or whatever the Navy calls it) not a career killer but not a good thing.


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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39720 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2573 times:

What was he listening to on his iPod?
Yellow Submarine?



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2778 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 18):
Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
Driver Wrecks US Nuclear Sub Listening To IPod.

Actually the Navy Times report above says the navigation officer was off-duty and in the wardroom wearing an iPod while studying for an exam when the collision happened. It's a bit of sensationalism at work, IMHO.

Nothing like listening to your ipod when you should be concentrating on studying for your exams
  



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 16):
Will the people involved in this pay anything, at all?!

Their careers, probably. I highly doubt he'll look at his LES and see DEBT REPAYMENT=1,000,000,000  



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