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F1 2010: Chinese Grand Prix Shanghai  
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4959 times:

Race number 4 of the 2010 Formula 1 season.

Some elements:

Race Date: 18 Apr 2010
Number of Laps: 56
Circuit Length: 5.451 km
Race Distance: 305.066 km
Lap Record: 1:32.238 - M Schumacher (2004)

Events timetable - Shanghai local time

Fri 16 April 2010
Practice 1 10:00 - 11:30
Practice 2 14:00 - 15:30

Sat 17 April 2010
Practice 3 11:00 - 12:00
Qualifying 14:00

Sun 18 April 2010
Race 15:00


Free practice 1 02.00 GMT
Free practice 2 06.00 GMT
Free practice 3 03.00 GMT
Qualifying 06.00 GMT
Race 07.00 GMT

So... who will it be this time?
Ferrari? Red Bull? McLaren? Force India? Mercedes GP?

Watch Sebastian Vettel's hot lap on the Shanghai track

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe3_pwLwvOs

We all hope for an exciting race!

        


There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
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User currently offlinewaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4950 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvB_C9-y_AU&feature=related
There's a real video, you posted a link to a lap in a racing sim, m. concorde! It may well rain again, which would be excellent for the championship and the racing. We'll see, hoping that Ferrari's performance in Bahrain wasn't a fluke and that they qualify well this time.


User currently onlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4949 times:

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 1):
We'll see, hoping that Ferrari's performance in Bahrain wasn't a fluke and that they qualify well this time.

Bahrain has usually been suited for the Ferrari for one reason or another. For Shanghai, I think the McLarens will be strong.

Rain is the master equalizer, and Hamilton has been fantastic at China in general and in the wet.

Wouldn't surprise me to see him coming up with a win this weekend.

or so I hope.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4933 times:

Thanks for opening the thread, Madame C!

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 1):
There's a real video

The speed at which they're entering the first turn is super impressive!   



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4918 times:

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 1):
It may well rain again, which would be excellent for the championship and the racing

According to weather.com ( http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/CHXX0116?role= ) there is a 60% chance for rain on Sunday as of today. I am crossing my fingers for some rain!



Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4917 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 3):
Thanks for opening the thread, Madame C!

Most happy to oblige!

Make sure you all save me Monaco --my Grand Prix-- and Monza which isn't far away either.

I want to see mayhem and maelstrom in Shangai i.e. a lot of action! I am tired of these boring races!

Go Hammy!    Go Kamui!    Go Pedro!   



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User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4909 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
I am tired of these boring races!

I wouldnt call the two last GPs boring.



Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4906 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 6):
I wouldnt call the two last GPs boring.

Not the last two but there have been many.  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 4904 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
I am tired of these boring races!

That's F1 for you right there. Some are good and some are bad. Although, I sense that this has more to do with Kamui not performing as you wish or thought he would perform. If that's the case you might buy a huge stock of kleenex cause it aint gonna better in a near future.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 4902 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 8):
I sense that this has more to do with Kamui not performing as you wish or thought

Not at all. Your sensing is biased. I was thinking of the Trulli train and other trains too...  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4884 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 9):
I was thinking of the Trulli train and other trains too

Trulli sorted out the Trulli train himself when he joined his new employer, as from the back of grid he's not able to block anyone.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2769 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4882 times:

Yay! another race and another early sunday for me!

Again, hoping that Ferrari do well and do not flunk it, and of course I hope for another exciting race.

But we know that the Red Bulls are the strong cars (until they break)

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 1):
Rain is the master equalizer, and Hamilton has been fantastic at China in general and in the wet.

Yep specially when he beached the car with no tires back in 07, that was epic!

MIAspotter.



I think, therefore I don´t fly Ryanair.
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4878 times:

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 11):
Yep specially when he beached the car with no tires back in 07, that was epic!

So funny how you managed to put that sentence together.   

To Hamilton's defense though,
He has grown a lot since then.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5695 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4831 times:
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Whilst not directly related to Shanghai I am sure it will be a subject of much discussion there...

Link FIA, Briatore reach settlement

So the chapter closes on what is likely the most shameful day in F1 and the sports worst case of cheating enters the history books with no one being effectively punished for the crime.

A blight on the FIA for all time.



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4812 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 13):
A blight on the FIA for all time.

That's just disgusting - absolutely inexcusable! How can they let him get away with that.  


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4789 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 14):
That's just disgusting - absolutely inexcusable! How can they let him get away with that.

They are now white as snow? Like if they had done nothing.
Cheaters getting rewarded with no punishmet what so ever.
I am enraged at the decision but there is nothing we can do.

Briatore will be parading again at the Monaco GP. FIA are dirty.  



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4785 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 14):
How can they let him get away with that

Make no mistakes. They might have reached an agreement in court, but they, most of all Briatore, will never get a job in F1 again. And the public will not forget.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4764 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 13):

A blight on the FIA for all time.

It's the system more than the FIA. Briatores lawyers worked out that since they don't have and FIA licence like the drivers do, the FIA had no authority to ban them or some such commotion.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4750 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 13):
the most shameful day in F1

Let's not get carried away too much, please.



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5695 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4710 times:
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 18):
Let's not get carried away too much, please.

Apart from Gallic pride can you explain why it was not?



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4700 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 19):
Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 18):
Let's not get carried away too much, please.

Apart from Gallic pride can you explain why it was not?

Don't pay any attention to him Stealthz! He's just grumpy as Renault's name was dragged in the dirt. 



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4683 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 19):
Apart from Gallic pride can you explain why it was not?


Because cheating has been part of F1 since the very early days and I'm sure that every team has cheated at least once or more, would it be done properly (as in not getting caught) or not.

It's certainly not worse than Senna crashing into Prost to ensure the world title.

Make not mistake, I don't like cheaters, I condemned what Renault did, and I was happy to see Briatore being sacked and banned from any motorsports competition. But I don't like much expressions like "most blah blah of all times", because it's always an easy emphasis.

And yes, I'm French and proud to be.

Quoting sudden (Reply 20):
He's just grumpy as Renault's name was dragged in the dirt.

I would have had the same judgement if it had been another team. I'm actually a Peugeot fan boy, not a Renault one.

[Edited 2010-04-14 08:07:56]


"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 4670 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 21):
I would have had the same judgement if it had been another team.

I know, and I'm just messing with you. But you knew that already.  



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 4647 times:

Sauber news - preview of the Chinese GP

http://motortweets.com/kamuikobayashi/news/266157

Please... no more mishaps!      



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User currently onlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4629 times:

In Actual China GP news....

an interesting note, McLaren halted work on their new suspension after the FIA's clarification.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82853

And Massa thinks that McLaren has an advantage at China due to its ridiculously long straight.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82864

If the McLaren does indeed give a 5-10kph advantage on the straight, it could potentially be a huge benefit for the McLarens. Especially if they're out front without traffic.


25 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Briatore's private jet was seen in a totally empty UK air space all fligths being grounded because of the volcanic eruption in Iceland and subsequent
26 B747forever : From the active thread about the flight disruption across Europe
27 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Still on the radar map though. The only visible aircraft in the UK air space. http://www.radar-virtuel.com/ ZOOM - HIDE OTHERS - SHOW ALLFlight Numbe
28 Post contains images B747forever : LOL! His flying party came to an end rather fast
29 Post contains images EZEIZA : can we now call it "BIA" ? I agree. The difference though is that Senna's crash (And all the other similar ones) were a personal decision. This invol
30 Post contains images GrahamHill : As far as the investigation went, it involved only 3 men, not the whole team. Especially the GTi version
31 BlueElephant : Just watching F1 free practice 1. Highlights: Button, Rosberg and Hamilton are .9 seconds ahead of Vettel... and the McLarens are much faster then eve
32 Post contains links stealthz : Pretty scry?? Downright horrifying IMO, from so many viewpoints. For the driver, for the engineers, from a rule compliance point of view.. just horri
33 Post contains images MIAspotter : Gosh, things are not looking good at Ferrari then! hope they sort out the engine issues. Damn, horrifying, glad he walked away from that one. Bring o
34 B747forever : Damn, that looks terrible. Glad that he got away unhurt. That is really bad! He doesnt have a lot of engines left for this season. What happens if a
35 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : 1 great britain Jenson Button 1 McLaren-Mercedes 1:36.677 2 germany Nico Rosberg 4 Mercedes GP 1:36.748 3 great britain Lewis Hamilton 2 McLaren-Merce
36 stealthz : No we can't but that consistent (growing perhaps) gap between the old bloke at Mercedes and his young team mate may be telling.
37 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Ooooh Buemi!!!! Holy Cow!!!! How did this happen? Look at the picture! Anybody see it live? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/862
38 Post contains links bill142 : It was suspension failure. The unweighting of the right, which failed first, caused the left to fail producing a spectacular result. a shoddy you tub
39 GrahamHill : Yep, it's starting to be worrying. There are 16 GPs left including this one and they already used two jokers? What a weird incident!
40 sudden : I bet STR will be under heavy scrutiny right now, which might even result in that they are not allowed to participate in Sunday's race.
41 cornish : How long do you think it will be before Schumi's "neck injury" flares up too badly for him to race and he reluctantly calls it a day on "doctors advi
42 MadameConcorde : Thank you for the video. Toro Rosso should not be too proud of themselves. From the video it does not look like a driver incident but rather a mechan
43 Post contains images cornish : How on earth can you say that as an amateur watching a You-Tube video. Wait for the facts before jumping to kneejerk conclusions. Take Kobayashi's wi
44 GrahamHill : But still, it's weird to see the full front suspension breaking like that
45 Post contains links BlueElephant : I think i read this morning that it was an 'upright' failure...but that Torro Rosso was testing a new design element, and didn't let Jaime A. back ou
46 sudden : Amen! And again, Amen! Knowing that Buemi is ok and no one else got injured, am I the only one who thinks it looked pretty cool !? Odd but still kind
47 Post contains links bill142 : That's normally the cause of a suspension failure. I guess seeing this kind of thing in practice will be come more common given the testing restricti
48 Post contains links B747forever : P2 results http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2010/827/6720/ There is a 70% chance for rain on Sunday!
49 Post contains images EZEIZA : very scary! Thank goodness he managed to more or less keep control of the car. It could have been tragic I'm starting to get very worried
50 scbriml : So what happens if a team uses more than the allowance - I think they're just fined money not points? TBH, that's only an issue for the smallest of t
51 stealthz : They drop 10 Grid positions at each race that a new engine is used, if they use 2 additional engines at a single event they lose 10 grid positions at
52 waterpolodan : Well, the fact now appears to be that Torro Rosso were testing a new material in their suspension uprights, and clearly it failed because of a struct
53 scbriml : Ah, that's a bit more serious. Although it punishes the individual driver (unfairly IMHO) rather than the team. However, other than losing constructo
54 waterpolodan : The only "fair" way to punish the team would seem to me to be that they should have a maximum number of engines for both cars combined rather than for
55 sudden : This does by all means also affect the team as a whole as having their cars further back the grid then they "should" be must hurt like he11. I can se
56 scbriml : The more I think about this, the unfairer it gets for the driver. The only meaningful punishemnt for the team might be to exclude all constructors po
57 sudden : Ah ok. See your point there. Alonso was brought onboard to bring back the no. 1 on the Ferrari car. It's still early days, but his WDC campaign has n
58 scbriml : Certainly is - it's easy to forget that with 16 races left, there's a small matter of 400 points up for grabs!
59 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Any idea if ugly Briatore ever made it to Shanghai? Looking forward to tomorrow's last practtce and qualifyings. See you all then.
60 GrahamHill : I also agree that it is unfair for the drivers and that they need to find another way to penalize the team. But maybe excluding all constructors poin
61 sudden : Does anyone even care?
62 Post contains images scbriml : Yes, that's what I meant (maybe I didn't phrase it very well). I certainly wasn't advocating they lose an entire season's points.
63 Post contains images sudden : Yes you did cause your hate Ferrari! And now you will use your power and delete my post.
64 Post contains images bill142 : I think he's quite attractive. If I was that way incline, I'd be chasing after him! Docking points is a good idea, but it is hard to dock points you
65 Post contains images cpd : Nothing here about qualifying - currently a football match on OneHD... I guess they'll broadcast it at some strange time of the morning.
66 MadameConcorde : Qualifs is on. Q1 now So far... 1 Lewis Hamilton GBR 2 McLaren 4 dans les stands 2 Nico Rosberg GER 4 Mercedes 8 dans les stands 3 Mark Webber AUS 6 R
67 MadameConcorde : Q2 has started. Left on the track are 1 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren 2 Germany N Rosberg Mercedes 3 Australia M Webber Red Bull 4 Spain F Alonso F
68 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I get my comments in some funny language... Hungarian... Left for Q3 are: 1 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren 2 Australia M Webber Red Bull 3 Germany N
69 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Red Bulls are the quickest and impossible to beat, obvious superiority. Vettel makes pole, Webber is second. Congratulations to Sebastian Vettel. Toda
70 sudden : Not as long as Vettel is around. Like already mentioned, wonder when Schumi will call his doctor to get a statement that his neck is getting worse an
71 B747forever : Congrats to Vettel and Webber! Looks like Vettel could win once again, or is it Webbers turn this time? I am glad to see at least one Ferrari in the t
72 bill142 : its on at 6:30. I'm not surprised that football gets priority as that is more popular than F1.
73 Post contains images cpd : I'm almost tempted to burn my Mercedes GP Petronas hats I think... Hopeless!
74 Post contains images MadameConcorde : You did not read what I said in my last post, as usual. Look at the post and read it over again. "Red Bulls are the quickest and impossible to beat,
75 Post contains images scbriml : No, you're both wrong. It's all going to plan. He said so himself.
76 Post contains images GrahamHill : Congrats to Vettel, once again!! 3 out of 4 since the beginning, not bad at all! Or maybe it's because I'm not an English native speaker and I did not
77 sudden : I stand corrected, cause if he said it's going according to plan, then that's how it is, naturally. Behave you! Hm....if I pay scbriml some $ I might
78 Post contains images GrahamHill : You can try, but I heard he is very expensive
79 Boeing74741R : Are you sure that it's Schumacher himself and not the car?
80 stealthz : Any reason to believe that MSC's car is consistently 4-7 tenths slower than Nico's? A gap that appears to be growing rather than shrinking
81 sudden : Stealthz already gave the proper answer, so I don't need to.
82 Post contains links and images scbriml : It is indeed what he said very recently. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8605793.stm Bit of a strange plan if you ask me!
83 B747forever : Quote from article "But I know how things go in F1 and everything is still going according to plan. You can only improve step-by-step and I'm confide
84 Post contains images scbriml : Maybe that's how it is when he hasn't had 5 years to build a car and team around himself (not to mention contractually slowing his team-mates down).
85 sudden : Not a plan at all. Just his way to cover a total disaster and try to save a bit of pride. By all means one of the greatest, if not the greatest, driv
86 Post contains images codeshare : Vettel again this is becoming boring as it happened before Vettel on P1 doesn't necesariliy mean a win for him. Interesting to see how the Ferrari eng
87 MadameConcorde : We are 20 minutes to the race. Is anybody else up and watching? I hear the car engines roaring... wow! let's hope for a good race!!... and yes, it is
88 Post contains images B747forever : Yeah, I am up and ready I wouldnt say it is raining, it is more like drizzle
89 Post contains images MadameConcorde : One of the organizers said it takes 6 Boeing 747s to take all the equipment from one race to the next one. I hope they will be able to get to Spain wi
90 B747forever : What a poor start by Vettel, but a great one by Alonso. And SC out for the first time already
91 MadameConcorde : Big accident between Liuzzi, Kamui Kobayashi and Sebastien Buemi. What a mess this race already!! Alonso got a penalty!!
92 Post contains images B747forever : Alonso got a drive through penalty for jump start BTW, did you guys see what Hamilton did? Can he do that?
93 MadameConcorde : Did you see that pit stop with Vettel and Hammy wheel to wheel? This was not normal was it?
94 MIAspotter : What a start! Why did Alonso got a penalty for? jumpstart? it does not seem like it. Hamilton should also get some sort of penalty for the moves he ha
95 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Pedro de la Rosa is out. Car problem. I saw the car fuming... Interesting to see Jaime in such good position... and Hammy in the back! More rain now.
96 B747forever : No, it was Hamiltons fault. He didnt follow the line when he went into the pit. Also did you see when he entered it the first time? He crossed the gr
97 BlueElephant : Come on Lewis!!!.....what the hell were you doing.... He deserves a penalty there for that Pit stop crap, I bet he's angry that Jensen is out ahead an
98 MIAspotter : Chill dude... have some coffee... or rest. They just explained on TV that there are sensors under each grid place that tells if someone jumps start,
99 MIAspotter : WOW WOW WOW, what a battle between Schuey and Hamilton!!!
100 B747forever : Yes, Hamilton deserves a penalty, without a doubt. Dont know why he has not got anything so far?
101 BlueElephant : Did you watch the start?....from 3 angles it was pretty obvious to me. I'm trying to figure out what they do with Hamilton. for the love of gods Wurz
102 B747forever : Yeah, it was quite obvious when they showed the replay. BTW, I am still waiting for some kind of penalty for Hamiltons behaviour.
103 MIAspotter : Incident between Hamilton and Vettel to be investigated after the race.. Let's see how it ends up.
104 BlueElephant : AFTER THE RACE?......what the Heck....why can't they say just give Hamilton the penalty that he deserves. If there is anything at all its that Vettel
105 B747forever : Why after the race? Let Hamilton take his penalty now so we dont have any problems after the race.
106 MadameConcorde : Great race today. The Hammy/Schumi chase was genius. The weather has a lot to do with it. I wonder how many more pit stops they will have to make. Abo
107 B747forever : WHAT!? Did you guys see what happened between Alonso and Massa when they entered the pit lane? Dude, that was really wrong by Alonso. Bet that Massa i
108 BlueElephant : I'm reading on another forum, that there isn't any rule going INTO the pit lane....but there IS a rule with the blue line. If Hamilton gets penalized
109 B747forever : Well if that is true, then I tink they should come up with some kind of rule that prohibits what happened. It was dangerous.
110 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Another great Hammy/Schumi moment!! and now he got Petrov!!! Go Hammy!!! You can win!!!! Go Magic Hammy!!!
111 BlueElephant : Question....(legitamate) was what Schumacher did on Hamilton squeezing him off the track considered blocking?...If not. why? that's a legitimate quest
112 B747forever : Did you see what Hamilton did to Webber? Exact same thing, if not worse.
113 BlueElephant : In my mind, racing incident...Vettel ran wide pushing Lewis wise...Webber got stuck...no passing before crossing the start/finish....I don't know whi
114 MadameConcorde : Hammy now got Kubica!!!! Go Magic Hammy!!!! You can win this race!!!!!
115 BlueElephant : It really is a shame he's been a bit reckless this season....he's being fantastic ON track.... easily the best driver in the field...If he wasn't bei
116 B747forever : Yes, Hamilton is very reckless. I dont know, but it seems that he has not grown up since the beginning. One would think he would behave more. Yeah, a
117 BlueElephant : FYi....from what I am reading, Vettel and Hamilton could be equally at fault. And they should both be FINED (read FINED)
118 B747forever : As I see it Vettel didnt do anything wrong. He held his lane to the pit lane.
119 scbriml : Absolutely not - look at it again. Hamilton was in a RedBull sandwich. He had nowhere else to go.
120 stealthz : After the SC returns to the pits there is no passing before the first SC line which at Shanghai is before the last corner NOT the start/finish line
121 B747forever : What "incident" do you talk about? I meant the pit lane incident between Hamilton and Vettel.
122 BlueElephant : He is (rightly) asking you about the Vettel/Hamilton/Webber issue. Hamilton had nowhere to go, I don't think he's at fault. McLaren 1-2....FOR NOW.
123 Post contains images MadameConcorde : If Hammy overtakes Jenson, he has the win in this race, unless his car breaks or he spins. I hope this will be a Hammy win!!!
124 B747forever : We will call that one a race incident. No one should be penalized for that one.
125 BlueElephant : I don't think he'll be "allowed" to... and if he is it'll be obvious. no team orders. and M. Whitmarsh knows that. I just hope all of a sudden we don
126 MIAspotter : And you really believe this is going to happen... MIAspotter.
127 Post contains images scbriml : But you said "Webber"! That's what I was referring to.
128 Post contains images B747forever : Yeah, but then I began to speak about the other incident. This is confusing now
129 MadameConcorde : Hammy's tyres are worn so he cannot push and overtake Button. He better stay quiet then and make a place 2 on the podium. Thiis is very difficult driv
130 Post contains images BlueElephant : What did I do?....I'm confused...its 4:30 in the am here in the US...apologies. It could have happen...but Hamilton is dropping back though I think h
131 stealthz : Not sure why everyone including BBC commentaters are talking about 25sec, the penalty if a time will be 20 or 30sec(or grid drop)
132 MIAspotter : Yep, I'll be damned, Button is also starting to struggle with his tyres, and Hamilton is rigght behind him now. I am hoping for Alonso to overtake Ro
133 Post contains images B747forever : Love to see how the drivers try to make it to the end with worn out tires
134 scbriml : They also said the only penalties available are - driver through, 10-sec stop & go, grid drop at next race.
135 BlueElephant : Exciting stuff from the McLarens there at the end....Button may be good at managing his tyres but even they went off at the end. but...Alonso and Hami
136 MadameConcorde : Go McLaren!!!!! A one-two in in very difficult conditions!!!! Magic Jenson Magic Hammy Magic McLaren!!!! What a magnficent win!!!!! poor Sauber!!!!
137 bill142 : Grid penalty for Spain. Vettel didnt hold his line. He swerved to push Hamilton into the other pit boxes. Just dumb. Hamilton is hard on his tyres. H
138 Post contains images scbriml : Good 1-2 for McLaren. Hats off to Button for his decision to stay on slicks in the early laps. That decision won him the race given how close Hamilton
139 stealthz : If decided after the race a drive through = 20sec, a 10sec stop & go = 30sec or they can give a grid drop.
140 BlueElephant : What about Button holding up the cars behind the Safety car...is that punishable?
141 BlueElephant : The Speed TV crew is discussing how the teams will get home to Europe with the volcanic ash. Being aviation buffs, anyone want to hazard a guess how t
142 Post contains images B747forever : Congrats to Button and McLaren. A very interesting race. Good job by Alonso to end in 4th place keeping in mind that he had a drive through penalty. S
143 BlueElephant : Are you kidding?...Hamilton drove a fantastic race....aside from his pit lane incident his on the track driving was fantastic.
144 Post contains images MadameConcorde : This is how I like to see Formula 1. Reckless although not crazy. Go McLaren! McLaren engineering said they are going to stay in China one more week.
145 scbriml : Agreed, but Alonso did benefit massively with one SC when he was something like 70 seconds behind the leaders.
146 MadameConcorde : Chinese Grand Prix results 1 Great Britain J Button McLaren 2 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren 3 Germany N Rosberg Mercedes 4 Spain F Alonso Ferrari 5
147 Post contains images LGWspeedbird : Well Done Button and Hamilton
148 Post contains images Larshjort : It was good to see some racing today, only problem was my tv provider had rearrenged the channels so I had to watch on RTL in german instead of dansih
149 waterpolodan : That might just have had something to do with the fact that a safety car came out when Jenson had a 40+ second lead because of Lewis' pit stops, thus
150 B747forever : Have you guys already forgotten about his first pit stop. Did you see how he entered it the first time?
151 Post contains images MadameConcorde : This is the perfect Chinese take-away for McLaren!
152 B747forever : Do you really think that he can drive like he did years ago? I am sorry to say this, but it seems that his time is over. This was the 4th race of the
153 Post contains images scbriml : For once Eddie Jordan talking sense - racinging incident in pit lane between Hamilton & Vettell. They released at almost exactly the same time but
154 MadameConcorde : Lewis Hamilton on his pit-lane incident with Vettel which is currently under investigation:"As far as I'm concerned I'm OK. The team released me at wh
155 B747forever : So by waving Hamilton thinks that Vettel should let him enter first?
156 BlueElephant : will be interesting to see how they punish Hamilton (and Vettel), he was pretty cheeky in the post race conference ("I don't know what incident you're
157 Post contains images scbriml : Yes, but what was wrong with it? There were no other cars anywhere near him that time. I assume you'll be equally critical of the stunt that Alonso p
158 MadameConcorde : This is exactly what I noticed too so if one driver gets punished the other driver should get some form of punishment too but the logic should do it
159 Post contains images BlueElephant : Be careful Dan....some here (me included) might flame you for that. how about Button is A master of the rain...Which I still am not sure I believe. N
160 B747forever : Yes I am, why would you think that I wouldnt find it poor? You are kidding, right? What was wrong with it? EVERYTHING. So because there were no cars
161 bill142 : I think he's lacking a bit of confidence. He's in an unusual situation where he's being beaten by his teammate. If he can get one up on Rosberg it wi
162 Post contains images scbriml : Because I'm not a mind reader and I must have missed where you complained about it in the thread? So which rules did he break? It was pointed out on
163 B747forever : So from now on the pit lane entry is part of the race track where drivers can fight for positions? As I see it, it is not very safe.
164 Post contains images flood : At least Vettel was in the right lane to begin with. It'll be interesting to hear what the officials have to say, also with regards to pit entry... d
165 Post contains images B747forever : Well let me help you But come on, let's use common sense. He was on the start finnish line, but all of sudden decided to drive through grass and grav
166 Post contains links and images BlueElephant : To be fair to B747Forever...he did actually complain about it. Also have a look at the image in this link http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/6100809/H
167 Post contains images B747forever : I feel honored No one can deny that, but he has to learn to calm down and take it easy sometimes.
168 waterpolodan : So he's not a master in these conditions, he's just easier on his tires? Doesn't being easier on your tires make you good in these conditions? I thin
169 B747forever : Or that will be his final fall if he performs bad. Maybe not, but did Hamilton really expect that Vettel would brake and let him pass. They are wheel
170 cpd : He's a great driver - and this year we'll see more of it. He doesn't have to. Hamilton should have backed out of it - which he could easily have done
171 Post contains links and images flood : I can't blame him, really. Hamilton should have yielded to Vettel who was in the pit lane. edited to add link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyodQbl
172 Post contains images scbriml : He is. Even allowing for Hamilton's first stop to switch to inters, Button used fewer tyres. It would have been mightily interesting to have another
173 bill142 : I'm not one to dish out praise on anyone. But yes, Button has made the right strategy calls in the conditions and has taken car of his car to master
174 Post contains images B747forever : Dont worry But they might look now look at it.
175 Post contains links legoguy : I seem to remember many drivers recently battling side by side along a pitlane on several occasions during a race. Hard to find evidence however as Yo
176 Post contains links bill142 : Vettel and Hamilton have both been reprimanded. A good choice but I doubt they will be so lucky next time. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id
177 Post contains images GrahamHill : I missed the GP again . Too early in the morning... Where are the goold old times when GPs were almost only in Europe?
178 MadameConcorde : This is what I said in an earlierr post. If one got penalized the other should have been penalized exactly the same. Goo don the race stewards. We wi
179 Post contains images cpd : Gone for good. It so nice that you European lot have to suffer the red-eye effect! Soon enough, we'll have all of the races in the Asia region. I do
180 sudden : Sorry to bring this down on you, but he doesn't have any of those "masterful abilities" anymore. He proves it himself over and over. There is no one
181 Post contains images EZEIZA : So much happened in this race that I'm lost! At 4am, it's not easy to understand anything when most cars had 3 or 4 pitstops, the safety car comes out
182 stealthz : There is 3 weeks until the next F1 race... if the global transport system is still as screwed as it is today car racing may be the least of our worri
183 cpd : You've got to say, he parked his car in all the right places and didn't set a foot wrong. But otherwise, no traction for that Mercedes car - so impos
184 Post contains links scbriml : It looked pretty clear to be honest, his start was just too good. A replay was shown from the starter's box and as they pulled away from the line Cha
185 GrahamHill : Not all, thank God, but it seems that in the past few years they are indeed going towards the East. Indeed.
186 Post contains images EZEIZA : the onboard camera was the one that also made me believe he did jumpstart, but the other ones to be honest looked fine. However, bear in mind it was
187 B747forever : Do you have a link to that statement?
188 sudden : If there was one I would have included it Einstein. Anyone who watched the BBC coverage today heard it.
189 waterpolodan : No one on this board can convince you, clearly, but MS certainly can, and I think he will. He looks lost in wet weather for whatever reason, but the
190 sudden : If he does I take a bow and will be the first to admit I was wrong. I mean, if he can join in on the fight up front it would make things even more ex
191 Boeing74741R : Whilst nobody is denying that the first four races haven't gone well for him (and retiring from one through no fault of his own), to say he is a no-h
192 B747forever : Isnt Nico driving the exact same car as Schumacher? You dont have to wait till the updated car comes to see that he is slower than Nico.
193 codeshare : Yes, an interesting race once again. P5 for Kubica and P7 for Petrov, super result for Renault. If it wasn't for the second SC who knows... Vettel did
194 sudden : Those upgrades are for both drivers, or in worst case for Schumi, only for Rosberg as he's the stronger of the two. So I'm not sure how that could wo
195 scbriml : Which is all well and good, but doesn't explain how he's being made to look like a novice by Rosberg (who's presumably driving exactly the same car).
196 Boeing74741R : One possibility could be that Schumacher's driving style isn't as well suited to the car as Nico Rosberg's. Look at Button and Hamilton for example -
197 sudden : Ok, but what you are basically writing now is that the difference between the two will remain the same. A very bad example really. To compare these t
198 scbriml : Yes, of course. However, one would expect a driver of Schumacher's experience and talent to be able to overcome such difficulties. I'm afraid to say
199 cpd : Charlie Whiting noticed it, Button noticed it as well ("Alonso must have jumped the start" radio transmission), and I noticed right away too. Alonso'
200 Post contains links legoguy : By the way, a past example of side by side racing in the pit which no consequences; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16KxVDmOqGo&feature=related I p
201 stealthz : Well, there was. The team was fined $10,000 for an unsafe release. Hardly a sanction likely to hurt anyone in F1 too much but there was action taken.
202 legoguy : Ahhh thanks for that,I completely missed that. I guess that could partially cover driving side by side as well then.
203 Post contains links sudden : All, As the Spanish GP is under threat, I started the following thread so we can keep each other updated on what is happening. F1 Round 5 Vs Vulcano E
204 cornish : Fantastic win for Jenson Button - he described it as his best - Christian Horner of Red Bull was deeply impressed to which says something. Button is p
205 bill142 : He is. You could almost lump him in with the whinging babies.
206 sudden : hahaha...... He has changed since the end of last season, and I stick to my point that he feels threatend about his team mate, and therefore he gambl
207 cornish : For all the criticism of Hamilton, he certainly makes things interesting. He was at the centre of most of the entertaining action in Australia, Malay
208 sudden : By all means. I have never criticized him. More the oposite really. If I would judge him for what he says it would be rather ignorant. He's a great d
209 Post contains images cornish : that wasn't aimed at you Sudden - but the general criticism of Hamilton of late. I suspect he is under orders of Bernie to ensure F1 remains interest
210 Post contains images bill142 : Dont give Bernie ideas.
211 Post contains images sudden : Oops, my bad!
212 Boeing74741R : Not really. The devil is in the detail and I didn't mention how much of a difference it'll make for both of them. I am glad I'm not the only one who
213 Post contains links bill142 : Alonso has had his thumbs insured. http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/83155
214 Post contains images sudden : This requires a "Thanks for sharing" moment.
215 bill142 : Quiet you or I'll reveal your secret.
216 Post contains images sudden : Now that's simply a punsh below the belt! Shame shame on you! Hm, wonder what those thumbs would bring in a bidding war on Ebay. I'm off to sharpen t
217 Post contains images GrahamHill : Well well well, so Mr Sudden has a secret, heh? I bet he steals lollipops from children or something brave like that...
218 sudden : Stealing!? I only take what I find belongs to me, and children can't run as fast as adults! Moi stealing, how absurd! And the secret starts with a C
219 Post contains links BlueElephant : Charline the beautiful french women from the Windows 7 commercial is your lover? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3IEZ3jgudc (what...it started with a
220 Post contains images GrahamHill : That's the first and last letters of my surname... Should I be worried? Michael Schumacher [Edited 2010-04-27 11:41:55]
221 Post contains images sudden : I already have one of those, and she's currently not home so that's why I dare to type this. You should always be worried! It's a car related thingy.
222 stealthz : Will not be dropped for incompetence!!! As mentioned earlier, his old injuries will flare up and he will withdraw on "doctors orders" Cheers
223 Post contains images GrahamHill : That's too much to guess for my small brain Can't wait to see that happening!
224 MadameConcorde : I saw a Bugatti Veyron driving by as I was in a friend's car in Monaco. Bugatti Veyron are rarely seen on the roads even down here in this part of the
225 BlueElephant : The Veyron you saw might belong to Monaco resident, Jenson Button. On an recent interview on my favorite show Top Gear, he mentioned that he had one
226 Post contains images sudden : It's been on the market for a while now in that case. Or was this maybe not a recent episode? I guess you don't find buyers like those who by/sell th
227 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I had not the slightest idea that he was a Monaco resident - never saw him. Maybe he is one of those who hire someone just to go and turn the lights
228 BlueElephant : I think they made a joke once that when he crashed out at the Monaco GP that he just climbed the fence and went up to his flat. Its been a couple mon
229 Post contains images sudden : I would never own a Hyundai! Probably nice cars, but nothing for me. Hm, I am not going to lie when you are right, so yes, I own a C-a-y-e-n-n-e. And
230 Post contains images GrahamHill : And I thought you had good taste about cars!
231 Post contains images sudden : I do (or at least I like to think I do), but there's a story behind the reason why I own a Cayenne, which Bill142 knows about. But I save that story
232 stealthz : It was certainly since the end of '09 F1 season as JC & JB discussed his World Drivers Championship. A joke may have been made about JB but Ayrto
233 bill142 : I'm glad to see you manned up and admitted it. I won't tell the story, it was a saddening moment.
234 sudden : Yep, it actually was.
235 Stealthz : Well they are lying then.. why would a team called Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro paint their car that way if not to promote an illegal sponsors product?
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