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Gun Rally At Gravelly Point ...  
User currently onlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11559 posts, RR: 52
Posted (4 years 8 months 1 week ago) and read 3803 times:

You heard right. The "Restore the Constitution" group is holding an open carry rally at Gravelly Point, just north of Runway 1/19 at DCA on Monday.

http://restoretheconstitution.wordpress.com/about/
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...h=e76dd282abfb79fa1942190220d03ab5

Your thoughts?

I think it's about the worst place to have such a rally.


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User currently offlinecadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3761 times:

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
I think it's about the worst place to have such a rally.

Why?



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3740 times:

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 1):
Why?

Yea really why? It's a bunch of Americans with guns. Not Al Qaida with RPGs.


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3724 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
Yea really why? It's a bunch of Americans with guns. Not Al Qaida with RPGs.

In every crowd there is a village idiot, regardless of race or group, and you happen to be next to an airport. By that logic, lets just take away all the metal detectors and let you carry weapons into the airport as well.....

I was reading the blog/comments section of this guys website for this rally, and these people are paranoid. One user suggested about 5 times that they team up with the tea party people today "in case the federal government comes after them."

Fine, bring your guns, as much as I disagree with it, it's your right. I just think it's stupid to bring that many lethal and easy to use weapons to a park in front of an airport.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 3):
Fine, bring your guns, as much as I disagree with it, it's your right. I just think it's stupid to bring that many lethal and easy to use weapons to a park in front of an airport.

Yea it's much better for the Black Panthers to park themselves outside voting locations with billy clubs.   

More propaganda designed to paint anyone that disagrees with the current administration as extremists.


User currently offlinecadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 3):
In every crowd there is a village idiot, regardless of race or group, and you happen to be next to an airport. By that logic, lets just take away all the metal detectors and let you carry weapons into the airport as well.....

Oh for gods sake. You're kidding right?



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3705 times:

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 5):
Oh for gods sake. You're kidding right?
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
Yea it's much better for the Black Panthers to park themselves outside voting locations with billy clubs.

More propaganda designed to paint anyone that disagrees with the current administration as extremists.

Dudes, I'm not throwing out propaganda and I'm not trying to paint everyone in the same picture. I simply don't think masses of people who are not police carrying guns around in a charged atmosphere who just met on the internet and don't know each other, who decide to gather at an anti-government rally in front of airplanes full of people taking off is a great idea.

It has nothing to do with my politics. I don't agree with guns, I don't own one, never will. But, if you want one, then go get one. It's your right. But like your parents said when you got your drivers license, with privilege comes responsibility. Unfortunately, there is ALWAYS someone who abuses the privilege or who is not responsible. They may or may not be in this crowd, but by doing this, you do increase the chances that someone gets a little trigger happy for one reason or another.

Again, it has nothing to do with politics with me, I just think bringing your guns out to make a point (of which I don't know what it is, because no one is trying to take away your guns), seems a little crazy to me. Especially given the political climate and the location.


User currently onlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11559 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3683 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
Yea really why? It's a bunch of Americans with guns. Not Al Qaida with RPGs.

You're not even slightly worried about 1000 people with loaded rifles 50-100 feet from planes in flight? You're not worried about a wrongdoer with a rifle fading into a crowd?



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8947 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3646 times:

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
Your thoughts?

I think it's about the worst place to have such a rally.

Why? it's probably about the safest place in the world during the event.



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3646 times:

To me, having 1000 people with each a gram of cocaine and no weapons at Gravelly Point makes more sense from a safety standpoint than having 1000 people with guns, which are possibly loaded. At least with the coke, the only thing they can do is harm themselves.

User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3637 times:

Just a joke that proves America is not serious about safety or protecting the public. They have TSA at DCA yet, a person can carry a concealed heavy gun (legally) basically right up to the runway, since it's "sweet virginia," after all.

User currently offlinecadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3624 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
You're not even slightly worried about 1000 people with loaded rifles 50-100 feet from planes in flight? You're not worried about a wrongdoer with a rifle fading into a crowd?

Tell ya what. if one goes nuts out of those 1000, the other 999 will take care of it.

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 9):

To me, having 1000 people with each a gram of cocaine and no weapons at Gravelly Point makes more sense from a safety standpoint than having 1000 people with guns, which are possibly loaded. At least with the coke, the only thing they can do is harm themselves.

Translation: "Guns are bad! waaaa"



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3605 times:

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 11):
"Guns are bad! waaaa"

Translation: "Immature."


User currently offlinecadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 12):
Translation: "Immature."

Translation: narrow minded.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3572 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 6):
I simply don't think masses of people who are not police carrying guns around in a charged atmosphere who just met on the internet and don't know each other, who decide to gather at an anti-government rally in front of airplanes full of people taking off is a great idea.

Your imagination staggers me. This scenario is complete bunk.

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
You're not even slightly worried about 1000 people with loaded rifles 50-100 feet from planes in flight? You're not worried about a wrongdoer with a rifle fading into a crowd?

Nope.


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3572 times:

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 13):

Translation: narrow minded.

Translation, I've seen what guns can do. A friend of mine shot himself through his head with a loaded gun of his Dad's when we were 8 years old because he was goofing around, and people witnessed it. Yeah, it's personal, and yeah, probably makes me think differently. So, yeah, waaaaah.

Go to your rally of 1000 people goofing around with their guns. Go right ahead.


User currently offlinecadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 15):
A friend of mine shot himself through his head with a loaded gun of his Dad's when we were 8 years old because he was goofing around,

So because one kids idiot father who did not properly secure his gun let his kid die. Not to mention he was screwing around with it in the first place. This makes guns bad? No. It means poor parenting and idiot kids are.



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3528 times:

Cadet, just go to your rally you support knowing that UAL747 disapproves and the reasons why. And perhaps have some respect for those reasons even though you think my friend was an idiot and his parents were poor parents.  

User currently offlineN867DA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3524 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
Nope

Well if I worked at a parking garage at a federal facility, I would not be worried by a heavily loaded Ryder truck pulling up and parking riiiight underneath the building. Everything about that is legal!

Oh wait...



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8759 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

Gun people creep me out. It's a joke because it is almost never okay to use a weapon against people. Also, it's certainly NEVER okay to point your gun at government officials. You can try to defend yourself against the "gubmint," but just remember, the gubmint has F-22s, and laser equipped 747s, and civilians do not. So the civilians are never going to need guns. Rarely if ever.

This is a nice debate to have, but there it's unwise to bring it to Gravelly Point. I hope the government would send snipers to the rally just to enforce typical airfield order. Everyone should keep their guns in cases or holstered, otherwise hopefully DHS will drop them. There is no reason to risk the aircraft.


User currently onlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2776 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3517 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
You're not even slightly worried about 1000 people with loaded rifles 50-100 feet from planes in flight?

From the link you posted:

8 ) Isn’t that many armed people gathered in one place going to be dangerous?
Our plan is to be following local law by having their rifles unloaded and handling them safely. In addition, before the rally, our group will meet with local authorities, shared our peaceful plans, and make sure that folks know both what we are and what we are NOT going to be doing.

Hundreds of police officers muster up before every single patrol-all of them armed. I’ve never heard of that being a problem.

I doubt that you’ll hear of any carjackings, rapes, murders, theft, or vandalism in this park today.




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User currently onlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5641 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3484 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 3):
Fine, bring your guns, as much as I disagree with it, it's your right. I just think it's stupid to bring that many lethal and easy to use weapons to a park in front of an airport.

Again, the question is why?

I carry all the time to the airport, I just can't go through security.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 10):
concealed heavy gun

And what exactly do you consider a heavy gun, that is concealable?

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):

You're not even slightly worried about 1000 people with loaded rifles 50-100 feet from planes in flight? You're not worried about a wrongdoer with a rifle fading into a crowd?

Not in the least. I trust legal gun owners.



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User currently onlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11559 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3474 times:

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 11):
Tell ya what. if one goes nuts out of those 1000, the other 999 will take care of it.

See, I knew one of you would say this silly thing.

Ever heard of a circular firing squad? Well, that's what you just suggested. A guy in the middle of a crowd shoots a gun, and you honestly expect the other guns going off would only hit the shooter?

Naive naive naive.

Quoting KPDX (Reply 20):
[quoting the first article]
Our plan is to be following local law by having their rifles unloaded and handling them safely.

Yes. I think that line was added during the day today. I don't remember it when I read the article this morning.

Also, look at the quote from the other article:

Quote:

Specifically, Almond is inviting attendees to openly carry loaded firearms at the rally in Virginia (where such behavior is legal).

Besides that, how many of you guys actually think the weapons will not be loaded? I bet fewer than 30% of the weapons will be unloaded.



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User currently onlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11559 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3472 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 21):
I trust legal gun owners.

What makes you think they will all be legal gun owners?



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3458 times:

Quoting N867DA (Reply 18):
Well if I worked at a parking garage at a federal facility, I would not be worried by a heavily loaded Ryder truck pulling up and parking riiiight underneath the building. Everything about that is legal!

So you just compared a terrorist attack on the WTC to a rally at an airport.   


25 UAL747 : Funny they do it on the anniversary of "said" attack that happened a mile from where I'm laying in bed right now. Symbolic, probably so.
26 Flighty : Exactly, I was thinking, after that "situation" they will need 1,000 body bags and maybe the DCA fire brigade would have some grim work to do on the
27 D L X : I think he's talking about the bombing of the Murrah Building by Timothy McVeigh, one of the events that is the reason this rally is being held this
28 D L X : Also, did you trust Cho Seung Ho? (The Virginia Tech shooter who legally owned his guns.)
29 NIKV69 : What does a person with severe mental issues have with a rally?
30 D L X : if you followed the thread, you'd know why that comment was relevant.
31 fr8mech : He may have owned the weapons legally, but was outside the school regulations, and possibly breaking the law, depending on how it's written, when he
32 Post contains images sasd209 : Really? Let's re-visit this issue AFTER the 'rally' and see how many people were NOT killed and how many airliners were NOT shot out of the sky. Is y
33 D L X : Because that proves that it wasn't dangerous? That doesn't really make sense does it? You trusted him up until the point that he broke the law? Well,
34 fr8mech : It is a trait if the anti-gun types. They don't trust other people. A generalization, but I think it holds true, even if they don't admit it to thems
35 UAL747 : If you trusted other people, you probably wouldn't need to own a gun.
36 sasd209 : And your personal views prove that they are? If they are following all local laws and not creating a disturbance, I fail to see a problem here.
37 Post contains images sasd209 : Same applies to people who own alarm systems, including car alarms, right?
38 D L X : Answer my question. You implied that we should wait and see, and you'd be proven right if there are no shots fired and no plane crashes. My question
39 Post contains images fr8mech : Because, they haven't done anything to cause me not to trust them. Carrying a gun is not a reason not to trust. I trust that the person carrying the
40 UAL747 : I never claimed I trusted everyone. But alarm systems and car alarms aren't known for blowing people's heads off either. That said, my car is parked
41 sasd209 : I believe having a pro-gun rally anywhere is inherently not dangerous, assuming everybody has followed all local laws. If they have not, the rally sh
42 sasd209 : Never said you did, read my posts carefully. I was refuting your claim. [Edited 2010-04-15 22:06:59]
43 fr8mech : I trust people. I just don't trust criminals. See, by their very actions, they break the law and are unworthy of trust. Actually, it proves that your
44 D L X : That's all it proves, and I like I think everyone on this board hope that my fears never come to fruition. But I'm not about to put my head in the sa
45 sasd209 : Such as? Hopefully not advocating that these people do not have the right to assemble? (I believe your Constitution allows this). Hopefully not advoc
46 N867DA : Oklahoma City. People are trusting until something goes wrong. Then you get people bitching about how people who live in a pre-_______ mentality are
47 fr8mech : But trust is the very root of the gun control controversy. I'm not going to participate in another gun control debate here, except to say: the anti-g
48 UAL747 : Truth be told, end of thread! Edit: Well, I trust you to have one if you keep it at home. No need to go around carrying it like we live in a war zone
49 Flighty : I don't even trust myself to carry a gun in the car, let alone to conceal and carry. It is very easy to imagine me bungling a fight, where I have no
50 fr8mech : Be assured that if you live in a shall-issue state, a percentage of the folks around you, at any given time, are armed.
51 UAL747 : Quite aware, and it does not make me feel very comfortable. Go clean your gun and put her to bed. It's late.
52 Post contains images vikkyvik : There's certainly a lot of validity to that statement. Truth be told, I'm wary of guns. Most of it has to do with the fact that I was not raised arou
53 NIKV69 : McVeigh didn't park under the building, that is what happened at the WTC in 93. Get your facts straight.
54 DocLightning : The issue I have isn't the weapons. The weapons are inert objects that don't do anything without... ...some redneck yahoo who thinks that the gun is a
55 sasd209 : I thought your Constitution allowed this without a particular reason? Who are you or I to say why someone should or should not have a rally about wha
56 Post contains images TheCommodore : He's not saying you need a reason ! He is asking a rhetorical question, that's all.
57 Post contains images sasd209 : Ah, I must have missed that part while reading that stereotypes often stem from reality. I'm researching that part of Americana, such as stereotypes
58 Post contains images Maverick623 : Pfffhahahahahaha. Some of the worst neighborhoods for illegal gun violence in PHX is directly under the approach/departure path of the airport. Just
59 Flighty : I can handle guns, but I believe that I will make mistakes like anyone. And, since most people have just as many human failings as I do, if not more,
60 Dreadnought : There is a big difference between owning a gun and keeping it at home, and having a concealed-carry permit and walking around with it. Here in Kentuc
61 D L X : If you read carefully, you'll note that my problem is not that they are speaking (though bearing arms is an act, not a speech), bearing arms, or asse
62 D L X : This isn't a gun control debate! (At least, I didn't start one.) I don't want them to have their rally 50-100 feet from airplanes. I figured people o
63 DocLightning : It does. I just think that anyone who was around in the late 1700's when the 2nd amendment was written would be very puzzled at this behavior. I mean
64 Dreadnought : Oh, I would just pray, PRAY that some terrorist or other lunatic decides to go postal in the middle of that crowd. Something tells me that there woul
65 Aaron747 : Not really - that's the best place for that - they're sure to be taken out by someone else packing. Someone starts pointing a rifle at aircraft among
66 JBirdAV8r : Count me among those who sees this as a "slight" concern. Even though the chances of an accidental discharge into an airplane causing death and injur
67 NIKV69 : You made the best point so far. The progessive far left is famous for this behavior in which their disdain for guns and for anyone that doesn't agree
68 D L X : And I'll ask you again: how many dead protesters would you expect if that happened? I agree. And how many other people would be hurt in the cross fir
69 Post contains images Dreadnought : Well... presumably a "gun-nut" will be relatively adept at hitting his target. And remember, terrorists or lunatics generally do not go places where
70 fr8mech : Not as many as you would want to think. We are not stupid. Some of us are actually trained in the use of the firearm and practice regularly. You can
71 D L X : Not necessarily. Time place and manner restrictions are legal. The idea being that you can _say_ whatever you want in this country, but you can't _do
72 UAL747 : You know damn well it's not a good idea. Even the admin of the website who started this thing is questioning that fact, and saying they need to get a
73 Post contains images EA772LR : What a bogus statement. How bout, to protect ourselves from the enemies abroad and within?? That's the beauty of the foresight our genius forefathers
74 UAL747 : No, it's not, which is why the statement that you would never really need guns is probably valid.
75 EA772LR : Um, no. That makes no sense. In order to justify owning a gun, I need to go outside and shoot bullets in the air?? How bout you read what the 2nd Ame
76 pacificjourney : Damn right, and as we all know a bunch of Americans with guns never did aything stupid !
77 fr8mech : I do that all the time. So do a bunch of folks I know. Hell, I carried a rifle (unloaded) through the mall a little while back after I bougt it. No o
78 UAL747 : You said, this isn't the Wild West, and I am saying, all the more reason you really don't need to own a gun. That is all. If it were, then yeah, I co
79 KaiGywer : Then I'm certainly glad you don't own a gun To an extent I agree. The only thing this is doing, is giving the left more reasons to hate guns. And unl
80 Dreadnought : Any caliber that does not start with ".4" is for girls and sissies, and non-hollow-point bullets are only for target practice. Ditto. If you have a C
81 EA772LR : I've got my CCL and can tell you, you had better be damn sure you're ready to pull the trigger and it's a last resort, because you're responsible for
82 Aaron747 : There are plenty of more sensitive locations to hold it locally. As long as the authorities and FAA don't have issues with it, what gives?
83 Dreadnought : In Kentucky it's different. You do not have to be in fear of your life, but also other things, and those reasons also can justify the use of force in
84 D L X : No. When only one person is a threat (as in, that person is armed or suspicious in some way), the cops are able to pick that one person out and tail
85 Post contains images Maverick623 : What exactly makes you qualified to judge a stranger's competency with guns? And sources to back your claim up? Gut feelings aren't a very good reaso
86 fr8mech : Your central thesis is noted, but has a flaw...it's just as easy to conceal the threat if the 999 folks are not armed. I can walk amongst a crowd of
87 Post contains images DocLightning : You are forgetting something: The second and third words of that amendment are "well-regulated." Look, I've said it before and I've said it again: th
88 Post contains links and images D L X : What exactly makes YOU qualified to judge a stanger's competency with guns? What I see here is pro-gun people like yourself granting blanket trust to
89 Maverick623 : From your own link: The government must absolutely show a compelling interest. I seriously can't believe you ask this. What is the difference if you
90 D L X : You need to read the whole thing, dude. A "compelling interest" in the law is not the same thing as a "substantial interest." The content-neutral par
91 Maverick623 : Even though you're technically incorrect (speech is an action, and actions can be construed as making a statement), it's irrelevant. Open carrying is
92 TheCol : Even though I'm not a fan of the militia movement, and lack of regulation, in the US, I don't see why it's a problem to hold a meet in an area intende
93 Continental : So in conclusion, it is OK if they have the gun rally there, but there are certainly other places which would have been more ideal.
94 D L X : No no NO! I have never used legalese to suggest that this rally is illegal and should be shut down. Perhaps you are thinking about someone else. I'm
95 DXing : I have to say I agree with DLX on this one. Not only a stupid place ot have a rally, I mean how much foot traffic do they expect to get at this locat
96 DeltaMD90 : How many instances do we have of gun rallies gone bad? I think if these rallies happened and people started shootin all the time, we'd have a problem.
97 Dreadnought : Doesn't matter. They are mostly conservative, and liberals don't want to miss a chance of labeling them as dangerous nuts. Nancy Pelosi calls the Tea
98 DeltaMD90 : Exactly, despite how evil the media is betraying them, have we had any acts of Tea Party violence? (Well, there may be, I haven't heard of any, but u
99 D L X : Charles, you're not illiterate, so I know that you saw above where I said I don't have a problem with this group performing their rally somewhere els
100 Flighty : Guns go bang whenever drunk, underage, high or mentally ill people make them go bang. That's part of the problem. The problem certainly isn't the exp
101 Post contains images TheCommodore : Have been reading through this thread as its evolved and I'm amazed at some of the statements. I can't for the life of me really see why anyone, pro g
102 Post contains images DocLightning : Yanno, I think I'm going to organize a spoon rally where people show up and wave their spoons around. Wood, metal, plastic, bamboo, serving, slotted,
103 Post contains images KPDX : What an attrocious idea. Spoons are very dangerous and have the potential to harm others.
104 Maverick623 : Who said anything about "waving" guns around? .... and the same thing with knives, lasers, and even spoons. Do you drive a car? Now you're just being
105 DocLightning : No he's not. He lives in a functioning democracy in which he is not afraid of his government. The United States of America is not an example of such
106 Maverick623 : Please tell me you're joking. The same country that censors the internet and threatens anyone who reveals a draft proposal of such a list? Power corr
107 Post contains links D L X : Even the organizers are worried about this rally now. From the Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2010/04/18/AR2010041802391.h
108 Maverick623 : Thank you for missing the point yet again.
109 Post contains images TheCommodore : quote=Maverick623,reply=104].... and the same thing with knives, lasers, and even spoons.[/quote] Please give us an example of a person being killed b
110 D L X : Perhaps the blame lies with your not articulating your point well...
111 santosdumont : A telling tidbit from today's Washington Post: Oath Keepers, which in a year has grown to 20,000 online members, signed on early as an event sponsor b
112 Post contains links D L X : Apparently there are only 75 people. Not at all the crowd that I expected. http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0410/727121.html
113 NIKV69 : Try to change the gun laws and you will see that number grow quite quickly.
114 D L X : The only people talking about changing the gun laws are gun advocates. I suspect the reason for this group's paltry showing is actually because the O
115 DeltaMD90 : While what you two are saying makes sense, I still haven't heard of a gun rally going sour. I searched on google really quick. I mean I'm not saying
116 UAL747 : NIK, Again, who is threatening your gun laws anymore than anyone did 2 years ago? Why now? Edit: And news coverage of the event at the Mall shows spe
117 Post contains images Flighty : it's springtime, and the loons come out in springtime. People with long festering mental problems finally venture out of their homes, and prowl aroun
118 D L X : Not only is that off topic, but it's highly disagreeable. There is no sensible way to compare Bush, or any of our Presidents to Hitler. I'm sorry. Th
119 Post contains links and images DXing : So that means that only 24 of those weapons had to be unloaded for me to win my bet. Think I covered the spread? How about a shank made from a spoon
120 D L X : I'm certain more than 24 weps were loaded. Only the rifles were supposed to be unloaded. Fair enough, the Brady campaign, and a few other groups have
121 Post contains images AirframeAS : For those who think guns are bad, bad, bad.... consider this quote by comedian Eddie Izzard: "Guns don't kill people. People kill people. And monkeys
122 DXing : Even if 25 were loaded then that means 50 were unloaded. And not one accidental shooting down of an airplane by someone having a Barney Fife moment e
123 D L X : I don't think it's safe to assume each person only brought one weapon. Yes, and there were a lot fewer than 1000 people there too. That was key - it
124 Post contains links D L X : Apparently now there are only 50, and the event has concluded early. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2010041901910.html?wprss=rss_metro
125 GQfluffy : Well, UAL747 thinks they should each have a gram of cocaine...so you decide.
126 DocLightning : That's as absurd as calling Obama a Communist/Stalinist. I cannot say it enough: THIS IS NOT A DICTATORSHIP. if you compare this to a dictatorship th
127 UAL747 : What? I said that it would be safer if everyone had a cocaine rally than a gun rally, because they would at least be only hurting themselves. Don't t
128 Flighty : I agree, it's not supposed to be. But, wartime executive privilege is just that. Unlimited military command, including invading countries, based larg
129 sasd209 : Well then, A.netters, how did that work out today? I haven't been following the press much. Were there any shootings, did anybody let off as much as 1
130 Post contains links and images Alias1024 : Pick me, pick me!!! I know the answer to this one!!! A dog and a stupid owner http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/outp...010/02/hunter-shot-by-his-dog.ht
131 DXing : I still prefer Dick Solomon's summation from 3rd Rock from the Sun.... Dick Solomon: Guns don't kill people, physics kills people.
132 D L X : No. Almost nobody showed up.
133 DocLightning : In a dictatorship, you don't get to vote the leaders out. In this country, you do. Ergo, this is not a dictatorship. QED. And believe me, I hated GWB
134 GQfluffy : I twisted your words because your opinion is ludicrous at best... At gun rallies, 100% of the people attending know more about firearms than you know
135 Post contains images KaiGywer : Do I have to find someone to spoon with? If so, I'm out
136 sasd209 : Ah, I see.. I've had a chance to read the press and it looks like 50-70 (depending on news source) showed up with no arrests, no airliners shot down,
137 Maverick623 : Which further hurts your argument that more guns must mean more violence. Hahahahaha. Really? And how many of them gather in a group carrying guns? F
138 sasd209 : Well, based upon the results of the gathering with guns (VA) and the gathering without guns (DC, with identical results), I'd have to say that some o
139 Maverick623 : That's because the vast majority of people who attend these rallies are very aware of the awesome responsibility that comes with carrying a gun. But
140 sasd209 : Yes sir, I have read about that part of American history. I must admit I would not have thought it possible in your Country, but as I understand it i
141 D L X : I've never made that argument. You completely ignored my actual argument, and made up your own. Is that your agenda? I don't get your point. Feel fre
142 Dreadnought : Firstly, I doubt it is gun-toting drug dealers and muggers who would come to such an event, and secondly, even with the more "sensible" people stayin
143 D L X : Charles, can you recite to me what you think my argument is? Because I really don't think you read it.
144 Dreadnought : I was addressing your thought that "gun proponents on this site give blanket trust to anyone else that owns a gun", as you put it. I think that is a
145 AGM100 : I prefer to keep a very low profile when it comes to gun owner ship ... I do not agree with taking them openly in public and useing them to make a sta
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