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Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?  
User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8231 posts, RR: 8
Posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

Poor Charlie. Republicans used to like him. His friends were even REAL friends - back in the day. Or so he thought.

Quote:
THE VILLAGES, FLA. -- Republican Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, once regarded as a shoo-in to become Florida's next senator, waded into a milling crowd. If his campaign had been going according to plan, his audience here on this night would have been perfect: an elderly, largely conservative Republican throng that included 82-year-old Bob Gammon, who had voted for Crist before and now had a beer in his hand and something he wanted to say.

Crist smiled and put a campaign sticker on Gammon's Hawaiian shirt.

"That hug," Gammon said.

"Oh," Crist said, immediately understanding what Gammon meant. Shortly after Barack Obama's inauguration, the new president had come to Florida to pledge federal help for this economically reeling state -- and Crist had reacted by embracing Obama on stage. "I wish you hadn't hugged him," Gammon said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn.../AR2010041603389.html?hpid=topnews

(Lot's of other sites with basically the same story)

So maybe it's time for Charlie to become a Democrat. The Democrats can establish a slightly-right-of-center group for moderate Republicans who find it is no longer acceptable in their current party to be moderate, or even talk to those on the other side of the aisle.

There is plenty of room in the Democratic Party for these reasonable people. And doors are closing on them all over the country in the Republican Party. Especially now since the Republicans have the Tea Party folks pushing them round like Hot Wheels model cars.

Yep. I have a feeling that Charlie will be far happier as a Democrat.  

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User currently offlineGatorFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

Absolutely. Crist should come out of the closet in every way.

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 972 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Thread starter):
So maybe it's time for Charlie to become a Democrat. The Democrats can establish a slightly-right-of-center group for moderate Republicans who find it is no longer acceptable in their current party to be moderate, or even talk to those on the other side of the aisle.

Or maybe he should give up politics and go work in the public sector...   . If I am tired of one thing, it is the career politician whose principles change as the polling numbers blow.

Anyway, the Democratic leadership in this country is as far left as its ever been. There are no indications of a track toward the center, much less an appeal to the center-right. It's why Democrats are watching their poll numbers plummet. Good luck finding moderate Republicans who will hitch their fate to that anchor. They would sooner run as independents, like Joe Lieberman who lost the Democratic primary in 2006 for being too moderate; or concede graciously, like Senator Hutchinson who recently lost the Republican primary for Texas governor to the more conservative incumbent.


User currently offlineSulley From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 524 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

As a Florida voter, I like Crist.

This state has definitely benefited from the stimulus money. We needed it. I work in banking here. I know how bad it was and still is and I can't imagine how bad it would have been without any help from the Feds.

The old, annoying Yankees in The Villages annoy me. Go back to Long Island, Scranton, Rochester... etc.

[Edited 2010-04-16 14:06:19]


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19617 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

You know, Crist actually has a very consistent political view. He wants government to be involved in all facets of peoples' lives, both fiscally and socially.

I disagree with his social views, but you have to credit his consistency.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
You know, Crist actually has a very consistent political view. He wants government to be involved in all facets of peoples' lives, both fiscally and socially.

Which is why Fla has rejected him.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26450 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 2):

Anyway, the Democratic leadership in this country is as far left as its ever been

    

Don't I wish. The Democratic leadership is more right-wing than Richard Nixon.



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11601 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1721 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 2):
the Democratic leadership in this country is as far left as its ever been.

How so? Because a few higher-ups are making speeches? How do a few people represent the majority of the Dems? I suppose the "tea party" movement represents the entire right? I suppose Limbaugh and Beck speak for every single right-winger?



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8231 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1695 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
The Democratic leadership is more right-wing than Richard Nixon.

Actually Nixon had a Family Health Care plan, but was distracted by the screw-ups that broke into the Watergate.

And the odd thing is that he probably could have made it work. It took the "Conservative Nixon" to open the door to China & start dente with Russia. No way could a Democrat have done the same thing in those years. The "Conservative Nixon" was the guy to bring health care up to world standards.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 7):
How so?

Well simply because Nancy Pelosi is basically calling the shots. Your not going to tell me she isn't far left are you?

Quoting seb146 (Reply 7):
Because a few higher-ups are making speeches? How do a few people represent the majority of the Dems? I suppose the "tea party" movement represents the entire right? I suppose Limbaugh and Beck speak for every single right-winger?

Why do you bring people into this discussion that have nothing to with politics or lawmaking? You realize that Rush Limbaugh is not the leader of the GOP? Or Beck? If this was the case then Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz would be the leaders of the DNC. Don' involve these people into what is revelent here. They all are simply entertainers who have radical views and sell a lot of ad revenue. Well Rush and Beck do anyway. Pelosi has basic control of everything going on in congress and she is a far left, elitist who wants to turn us into another Euro welfare state. Rush Limbaugh doesn't have the power to do anything when it comes to our lives.


User currently offlineGatorFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1628 times:

Quoting Sulley (Reply 3):
As a Florida voter, I like Crist.

As a Floridian, do you realize that the path Crist has put the state with respect to property insurance is certain to bankrupt it? He has pushed through legislation that PROHIBITED the state insurance company from purchasing reinsurance on the property coverage it wrote (because the premiums to pay for that would have made the insurance unaffordable for South Floridians).

Do you understand what that means? If Florida ever has an Andrew type storm again, the billions of dollars of insurance coverage it has written is largely worthless because there is no underlying pool of money or reinsurance agreement to pay claims. We're talking a financial collapse the size of AIG.

Furthermore, because Florida's Constitution requires a 2/3 vote of the population to create an income tax (never going to happen), this means that Florida would literally have to default on its obligations because it would have NO WAY of raising the funds. Crist gambled with the entire state's future.

For the record, I'm a conservative and think Rubio is a criminal that should be sitting in jail for what he did with the Turnpike concession contracts.


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10398 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1609 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
The Democratic leadership is more right-wing than Richard Nixon.

Obviously a typo. I know you can't be serious. Pelosi is somewhere to the left of Lenin as is Reid.



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1589 times:

Maybe the underlying sense of needing to move over to the left a bit exists for other reasons?   

User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Thread starter):

Yep. I have a feeling that Charlie will be far happier as a Democrat.

Yep, it has worked so well for Senator Specter hasn't it?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...2010_pennsylvania_senate_race.html

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 8):
And the odd thing is that he probably could have made it work. It took the "Conservative Nixon" to open the door to China & start dente with Russia.

I don't know where you get that Nixon was a "conservative". Perhaps it was with his wage and price controls?

http://www.econreview.com/events/wageprice1971b.htm

or perhaps his energy policy?

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=4208&st=&st1=

It's actually pretty humorous reading. Scare stories of a dollar a gallon for gas!!! But the main point of the link is found a third to half way down.


That is why I shall urge the Congress, when it reconvenes on Monday, to act immediately on the windfall profits tax that I requested last month. This tax would require that windfall profits either be turned over to the Government or be invested in the development of new supplies, supplies that will be vitally needed in the years ahead."

That sounds familiar, and not coming from the GOP either.

Nixon was a very good foreign statesman. He was a moderate in fiscal matters at best. He was a lousy President due to his own insecurities.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8231 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1551 times:

Quoting DXing (Reply 13):
I don't know where you get that Nixon was a "conservative".

I'd consider him a conservative for his time. But that was before the ultra hard right conservatives. Starting with Newt, going to Rush and Beck and Palin. Weird times that keep getting worse. But compared to, say, McGovern, I think it's fair to consider Nixon a conservative.

By the way, McGovern was considered an exceptional bomber pilot in WW II, including a hairy emergency that kept his crew alive. I seem to recall that it was his experience in the European theater that firmed up his version to war.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 972 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1526 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 7):
How so? Because a few higher-ups are making speeches?

Re-read my post. I was specifically referring to the party leadership. The "higher-ups," no? They establish the party platform, and they aren't doing anything to court moderate Republicans who find themselves on the outside of a more conservative party.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
Don't I wish. The Democratic leadership is more right-wing than Richard Nixon.

They might be as dysfunctional, but their policy initiatives are decidedly left-wing.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 5):
Which is why Fla has rejected him.

What the hell are you talking about? Florida hasn't rejected him. He's the sitting governor, is he not? He won a general election, has he not?

My my NIK, your comments are amusing.



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User currently offlineAeroflot001 From Argentina, joined Oct 2009, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1514 times:

All I know is that I am glad that I saw him announce his plan to veto the Bill for teachers salary to be based on Students Test Scores LIVE at school here in MIA. Many teachers held a walk out and I had to be in the auditorium for 2 periods due to the tremendous lack of teachers. If the bill had passed striking would have become incredibly common.

User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1480 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 16):
What the hell are you talking about? Florida hasn't rejected him. He's the sitting governor, is he not? He won a general election, has he not?

Yea I can tell how much Florida loves him

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...rida_republican_primary_for_senate

Get a grip buddy your world will come crashing down this November.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1469 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
Yea I can tell how much Florida loves him

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...enate

So silly. You just cited a Republican primary poll to support an argument that Florida as a whole has "rejected" Crist.

Some things never change, NIK.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8231 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1426 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
Get a grip buddy your world will come crashing down this November.

I keep reading that type of comment.

Conservatives are expecting a landslide greater than '94. Take over the House and Senate. Repeal everything that has been passed during Obama's first 2 years.

Anything less will be a failure for Rush, Beck, Palin, Tea Party Folks, etc.

How big a majority are you expecting in the House, Nik? 20? 30? 40?


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1408 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 19):
So silly. You just cited a Republican primary poll to support an argument that Florida as a whole has "rejected" Crist.

Spin it as you want but his career is over. By rule he can only run for one thing at a time so once he gets trounced in Senate primary he can't run for re-election as governor. So he is in the same boat as Harry Reid. DONE. Not to mention the DNC is behind double digits in the Governor's race as well.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 20):
Anything less will be a failure for Rush, Beck, Palin, Tea Party Folks, etc.

Again your trying to make people that are in no way involved in politics revelant. If this is the case your going to tell me Maddow and Schultz are involved in the DNC? Please stop the propaganda and see what is actually happening. The DNC is screwing up royally and has let the country down. That is why they are losing. It has nothing to do with Rush or Beck, they are simply people passionate about their views that are on television and radio. They have no affiliation whatsoever with the GOP.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1401 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 21):
Quoting D L X (Reply 19):
So silly. You just cited a Republican primary poll to support an argument that Florida as a whole has "rejected" Crist.

Spin it as you want

It's not spin. It's showing that once again, you are full of crap and put your foot in your mouth.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 22):
It's not spin. It's showing that once again, you are full of crap and put your foot in your mouth.

Let us review.

Ist term governor Charlie Crist abandons re-election to run for Senate and is now getting clobbered by a nobody who is more right and conservative than he is so he isn't even going to make it to the general as his career dies in the primary.

Race for Fla Governor, GOP candidate has a double digit lead over DNC candidate.

We are in a thread discussing if Crist should become a Democrat.


So your telling me Florida has not rejected him or the DNC? HAHAHAHAHA

Denial is an ugly thing isn't it. You lost the argument pal, why don't you quit before you dig your hole any deeper. See you in November. I got my popcorn, do you?


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
So your telling me Florida has not rejected him

Florida elected him, silly.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
or the DNC?

That's not what you said.



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25 NIKV69 : Yes in Nov 06'. Ancient history. Now he asked for thier votes for Senate and he is getting destroyed by a more conservative unknown and can't run for
26 windy95 : A bad move on his part. Voted against the Kids in favor of the Unions money and votes. When they thought he was a conservative.
27 Slider : It doesn't matter what Crist calls himself or what the letter behind his name is, Rubio is going to stomp him.
28 Post contains links GatorFan : From today's Miami Herald http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/04/1...operty-insurance-revamp-could.html A 25-year storm describes a hurricane with an inte
29 NIKV69 : Thank you, someone can actually make a comment based on what is currently happening and not out of partisan propaganda.
30 Ken777 : Maybe not, but Old Rush sure whipped Old Steel's ass into shape a while back. Remember that one? Figured out where the power is? Sure it will, The pe
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