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Matt And Trey (South Park), Will They Back Out?  
User currently offlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3999 posts, RR: 26
Posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5116 times:

Well, a radicalized Islamic group is "warning" South Park's creators Matt Stone and Trey Parker and their depiction of Muhammad in last week's show, suggesting what happened to Theo Van Gogh could happen to them.

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/20...tening-south-park-creators/?src=mv

Watching Comedy Central over the last half hour, the South Park spots seem to be avoiding any reference to last week's Muhammad episode as well as the of the second part of the show, which should air tonight. So, if the second part does not air, one would have to wonder if Matt and Trey as well as Comedy Central caved to these.....cough....cough.."warnings".

Thomas

[Edited 2010-04-21 14:15:05]

[Edited 2010-04-21 14:15:59]

[Edited 2010-04-21 14:54:43]


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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10101 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5097 times:
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Damn, I hope I recorded that episode!

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Thread starter):
Matt And Trey (South Park), Will They Back Out?

Doubtful.

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Thread starter):
Comedy Central caved

Much more likely.



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User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1641 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5084 times:

Not likely, actually they might make more. Its just satire. Every show does this.


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17660 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Thread starter):
suggesting what happened to Theo Van Gogh could happen to them.

And then quickly saying out of the other corner of their mouth "but we don't mean to incite any violence"  



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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6013 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4923 times:

Keep in mind, Stone & Parker have already screwed with Muhammad once before (Cartoon Wars part I & II), and back then it was Comedy Central who caved.

User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4911 times:

They actually showed Muhammad in the "super best friends" episode and nobody cared.

User currently offlinePacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4887 times:

Quoting racko (Reply 5):
They actually showed Muhammad in the "super best friends" episode and nobody cared.

Right, which in many ways is the basis for the current multi-episode storyline on South Park. The Super Best Friends episode originally aired before the Danish comics controversy occurred. Part of the irony of the current controversy about South Park is that it was only after the situation erupted in Denmark is there a taboo about depicting Muhammad in any way that might be offensive. The writers of South Park are using the current storyline as a way of highlighting the inconsistencies and selective outrage when it comes to depictions of Muhammad.


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3385 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4803 times:

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 4):
Keep in mind, Stone & Parker have already screwed with Muhammad once before (Cartoon Wars part I & II), and back then it was Comedy Central who caved.

I thought the whole thing was a joke just mocking censorship and I never took it as serious censorship.

Quoting flanker (Reply 2):
Not likely, actually they might make more. Its just satire. Every show does this.

Argeed, nothing is really going to stop Trey Parker and Matt Stone making fun of whomever they like. Every time the catholics complain about the show they just get them back worse and I would expect them in the near future to mock this organization as well.

If comedy central kicks the show then I bet HBO will pick it up like that and then they will have absolute freedom to do whatever they want plus no commercials.

One good thing about the US compared to other free countries is that they more than any other don't tolerate organization like this one dictating what can be said in the media.



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User currently offlineN776AU From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4762 times:

It could just be a huge cliffhanger anyway (a la the first "Cartman's Dad" episode). They've been known to do it.

[Edited 2010-04-21 19:12:27]


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User currently offlineMoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4723 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Thread starter):
Well, a radicalized Islamic group is "warning" South Park's creators Matt Stone and Trey Parker and their depiction of Muhammad in last week's show, suggesting what happened to Theo Van Gogh could happen to them.

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/20...tening-south-park-creators/?src=mv

Maybe Comedy Central needs to "warn but not threaten" this group that if anything happens to Trey or Matt, that they will show Muhammad in all sorts of tawdry sex acts, eating pork, self-pleasuring himself with pork, etc..... non-stop 24 hours a day for 4 months straight. Then these Muslims can join the Christian whiners about the war on Xmas.

It's 2010 not 910 after all and these people need to get a grip or turn the channel. Whiners.


User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4658 times:

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 9):

Maybe Comedy Central needs to "warn but not threaten" this group that if anything happens to Trey or Matt, that they will show Muhammad in all sorts of tawdry sex acts, eating pork, self-pleasuring himself with pork, etc..... non-stop 24 hours a day for 4 months straight. Then these Muslims can join the Christian whiners about the war on Xmas.

I don't mean to be rude, or incesitive, but this is exactly why Americans see Muslims as violent. South Park makes fun of EVERYONE, and I don't think any other religion or person has ever threatened these guys with violence (correct me if I'm wrong). Obviously, Christian groups take offense, but have they threatened violence? Not that I know of.

But, as usual, it's the same religion that's just a tad too sensitive and threatens violence against anyone who says anything that isn't interpreted as slander about their religion. It's really annoying



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User currently offlinedrgreen757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

God I love this show. Buddha snorts a line of coke and no one cares....then they never actually show Muhammad and some radical group gets their panties in a bunch....love it!


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User currently offlinedeltaownsall From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4564 times:

So, apparently this episode is supposed to have aired by now? I'm holed up in the library and just found out about all of this nonsense, did anyone see it? This frenzy of PC idiocy needs to come to an end, and at least there are a couple guys willing to give it a try.

User currently offlineelbandgeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 758 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4483 times:

In addition to the large, obnoxious *CENSORED* bar when Mohammad was "on screen" they bleeped out every single utterance of his name along with the entire "I learned something today..." speech at the end which was split up between Kyle, Santa, and Jesus. It was one of the funniest things they've ever done, especially in context of the episodes it called back to....and of course, I've already heard more people who completely missed the joke complaining about how they "chickened out" and "shouldn't let the extremists win"

For a show that got it's start with raunchy toilet humor, I think it has officially become too smart for the majority of people who watch it.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4413 times:

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 9):
Maybe Comedy Central needs to "warn but not threaten" this group that if anything happens to Trey or Matt, that they will show Muhammad in all sorts of tawdry sex acts, eating pork, self-pleasuring himself with pork, etc..... non-stop 24 hours a day for 4 months straight. Then these Muslims can join the Christian whiners about the war on Xmas.

It's 2010 not 910 after all and these people need to get a grip or turn the channel. Whiners.

You really don't get it do you? This has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever seen. Is any show worth your life? You realize these guys lives will be in jeapordy now. I am all for free speech but you need to use your head once in a while. Muslims (even the ones who don't hate America) take their religion very very seriously. Why ridicule it? Because you can? Free speech? These two guys are morons. I hope they know how to grow eyes in the back of their heads. They will sure need it.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

Quoting N776AU (Reply 8):
It could just be a huge cliffhanger anyway (a la the first "Cartman's Dad" episode). They've been known to do it.

That's what I think. I would not be surprised at all if the new episode is completely different.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
And then quickly saying out of the other corner of their mouth "but we don't mean to incite any violence"

Well, seeing as a radical group made the threat, I really don't think that's what they will be saying.



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User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4392 times:

Quoting elbandgeek (Reply 13):
In addition to the large, obnoxious *CENSORED* bar when Mohammad was "on screen" they bleeped out every single utterance of his name along with the entire "I learned something today..." speech at the end which was split up between Kyle, Santa, and Jesus. It was one of the funniest things they've ever done, especially in context of the episodes it called back to....and of course, I've already heard more people who completely missed the joke complaining about how they "chickened out" and "shouldn't let the extremists win"

While the visual censorship was clearly a running joke going back to Cartoon Wars the audio bleeping of the name was apparently done by Comedy Central. As for the very long bits at the end of the "I learned something today" speeches I think these were done by SPS themselves to poke a bit more fun at censorship.

As for my opinion on south park, when I started watching this season I thought that it had jumped the shark, or maybe not so much jump the shark as to jumping up and down on it shouting "look at me I'm Mr jumpy sharkey". But then I watched a few more episodes and my faith has been restored, as long as they continue with their current formula I can't see Matt & Trey giving up for quite some time.

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User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4346 times:

Quoting elbandgeek (Reply 13):
For a show that got it's start with raunchy toilet humor, I think it has officially become too smart for the majority of people who watch it.

Good point. I was pleasantly surprised after watching some of the show lately, after several years.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
You really don't get it do you? This has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever seen. Is any show worth your life? You realize these guys lives will be in jeapordy now.

People give their lives every day for the right to speak freely, and you are trying to trivialize it? Change your flag, sir!



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User currently offlineMoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4174 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
You really don't get it do you? This has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever seen. Is any show worth your life? You realize these guys lives will be in jeapordy now. I am all for free speech but you need to use your head once in a while. Muslims (even the ones who don't hate America) take their religion very very seriously. Why ridicule it? Because you can? Free speech? These two guys are morons. I hope they know how to grow eyes in the back of their heads. They will sure need it.

It's called standing up for what you believe in. Change your post slightly and it could apply to gay people needing to just keep their orientation quiet. Or could apply to those against the Iraq war in America when it was "patriotic" to support invading Iraq. It could apply to 1/2 dozen other things too.

People stand up for themselves and what they believe in every day under risk of humiliation, loss of job, physical violence, etc... Southpark has made fun of everyone and specifically Christians, Scientologists, Mormons, Catholics, Buddhists, and the lot. A ridiculous, pedantic religion dictating someone cannot make fun of it can go stuff itself be they Muslims, Christians, or Mormons. It's America after all. It's what people have fought and died for. It's insulting that some jackholes can threaten people into compliance and silence because their stale, insipid, book of tall tales from 2,000 years ago said it should be.

They have a right to believe in whatever silliness they want, but not imposing their beliefs onto someone else, thus curtailing their rights. Do we take native religions seriously about photographs stealing these people's souls? No, of course not. If people don't like it, change the channel.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8969 posts, RR: 39
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4154 times:

Well I'm sure the Catholic Church should provide them with plenty of material. . . they are nuts, but haven't been violently-nuts for quite some time (though they have tried to "subcontract" the dirty job to supposedly secular governments).


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User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4102 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
You really don't get it do you? This has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever seen. Is any show worth your life? You realize these guys lives will be in jeapordy now. I am all for free speech but you need to use your head once in a while. Muslims (even the ones who don't hate America) take their religion very very seriously. Why ridicule it? Because you can? Free speech? These two guys are morons. I hope they know how to grow eyes in the back of their heads. They will sure need it.

That's a pretty scary attitude. Why don't we all just lay down and die when threatened, wouldn't life just be so much easier?



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4024 times:

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 19):
It's called standing up for what you believe in. Change your post slightly and it could apply to gay people needing to just keep their orientation quiet. Or could apply to those against the Iraq war in America when it was "patriotic" to support invading Iraq. It could apply to 1/2 dozen other things too.

You are seriously going to compare making fun of someone's religion when you all well aware how fanactical they are about it? Also know people have died in the past doing the same thing? Your going to compare this to gays and the Iraq war? Not even close.

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 19):
People stand up for themselves and what they believe in every day under risk of humiliation, loss of job, physical violence, etc... Southpark has made fun of everyone and specifically Christians, Scientologists, Mormons, Catholics, Buddhists, and the lot. A ridiculous, pedantic religion dictating someone cannot make fun of it can go stuff itself be they Muslims, Christians, or Mormons. It's America after all. It's what people have fought and died for. It's insulting that some jackholes can threaten people into compliance and silence because their stale, insipid, book of tall tales from 2,000 years ago said it should be.

So since it's America and you have free speech you feel the need to put your life in danger? To stand up against Muslims when they get insulted? People have fought and died for our rights to believe and speak our minds. Yet with this right comes respect and good judgement. I have the right to walk down the street and say anything I want, make big signs, hell make a TV show but certain situations I wouldn't do it because I have some respect for people's feelings and strong religious beliefs. Stop thinking free speech is a ticket to do anything you want, it could get you killed. Which we will probably see here.

Quoting newark777 (Reply 21):
That's a pretty scary attitude. Why don't we all just lay down and die when threatened, wouldn't life just be so much easier?

Who is threatening us? If radical Islam is sure I am all for fighting it but this is an uncessary dig against all of Islam. Some things you should show respect and this is sure one of them.


User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 22):
Stop thinking free speech is a ticket to do anything you want, it could get you killed.

You are confusing the fact that just because you feel uncomfortable offending people, other people don't. Free speech is a ticket to SAY anything I want, and anyone threatening violence in response to free speech is, yes, a threat.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3989 times:

Quoting newark777 (Reply 23):
and anyone threatening violence in response to free speech is, yes, a threat.

You forgot to include an uneccessary threat. You should be able to live free and not get attacked by racical Islam. Yet there is no need to insult them and incite a threat because you had to put one of their most important religious figures on southpark. It's totally assinine.


25 newark777 : That's the beauty of free speech, you don't require a need to say something.
26 elbandgeek : It's always been the joke back to the "Cartoon Wars" episodes that inspired the storyline. I don't know if comedy central actually wanted them to cen
27 NIKV69 : Fine then don't complain after your direct attempt to insult someones religion puts your life in danger. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
28 Springbok747 : They make fun of EVERY religion...there was even a coke-snorting Buddha! I don't see the Buddhists going nuts. What is it with Muslims? What makes the
29 DocLightning : Every right to complain. Freedom of speech is a right. Freedom to murder is not. I don't know what the solution to this is other than finding that gr
30 L410Turbolet : Exactly, you can't advocate freedom of expression and (self-)censorship at the same time.[Edited 2010-04-22 13:14:35]
31 NIKV69 : It's a touchy subject and just because it's your right to be able to mock whoever you want doesn't mean the people you are demeaning have to take it.
32 Yellowstone : Yes, actually, it does. And if the people being "demeaned" react violently, they'll be taken to court like any other criminal. Of course it's free sp
33 NIKV69 : You find it virtuous to put your life in danger over an episode of south park? Well more power to them. They are the ones who will live the rest of t
34 MoltenRock : *Meh* So what? Salman Rushdie is still walking upright isn't he? I think you, like many Americans, are ascribing way too much power and insane devoti
35 PacNWjet : So getting along with a bunch of people entails allowing them to dictate what you say and do? That doesn't sound like getting along; that sounds like
36 san747 : No, since you're deathly afraid of retaliation and possible harm to yourself and others over this, you are actually the one living in fear. To show y
37 StarAC17 : They have attacked the Catholics and Christians in many episodes as well as the Jews, Scientologists and even the athiests. What is great about this
38 thegreatRDU : The episodes were not funny and it was stupid of them....why would they even tread those waters...ok it's satire we get it...but c'mon...
39 Post contains images NIKV69 : Yea well he has to live under protection and was under police protection for years after. Not to mention had two failed attempts on his life. Not exa
40 UAL747 : So the latest from South Park Studios is that comedy central ran the 2nd part of the show with much of it bleeped out and Muhammed was never shown. No
41 Post contains images Yellowstone : Two problems with that... First of all, Theo van Gogh and Salman Rushdie were critical of Islam. The South Park creators clearly are not, at least no
42 NIKV69 : What does that have to do with insulting someone's religion for no reason? That is great but Muslims don't view it that way, to them any mocking is a
43 Maverick623 : Again, you miss the point. If you knew anything about Matt and Trey, you would know that satire is their game. They were going after the very radical
44 Doona : Am I the only one who thinks this whole thing says a whole lot more about Comedy Central censors than any religion, or the makers of Southpark? Think
45 jpetekyxmd80 : Right on. I could not possibly disagree more with NIKV. His wanting us to roll over and cater to the whims of Muslim extremists over our freedom of s
46 Post contains links L410Turbolet : Dhimmitude is a neologism first found in French denoting an attitude of concession, surrender and appeasement towards Islamic demands. It is derived b
47 Maverick623 : Eh, I think you missed the point. The censor bars and bleeping out of Mohammed's name was basically a big f*** you to the "outraged". You have also m
48 JoeCanuck : I think Comedy Central should publish the names, pictures and addresses of Revolution Muslim members with pictures of downtown Bagdad...not as a threa
49 Yellowstone : That's like saying "You should never drive in a car, it's so dangerous - just ask Princess Diana!" Pointing out the one guy who was killed doesn't pr
50 StarAC17 : I think Viacom (Comedy Central's parent company) has a reputation for interfering with their shows and censoring them. I believe they have also fough
51 NIKV69 : Bull, they did this to cause a reaction and get ratings. Which they have done, in addition with endangering their lives. Has nothing to do with that,
52 newark777 : Your point being? Just because they threaten violence in response to portrayals of their religion does not mean that they hold it more sacred. It jus
53 Slider : Once again, the West caves to the “religion of peace” that once again proves it can’t accept tolerance and promotes and preaches intolerance. I
54 Hywel : C'mon people... this is just a cartoon. If you don't like it, then don't watch it. I'm a Christian and I just ignore people who are blasphemous. If so
55 SOBHI51 : This is my point of view as a Muslim. Watched that episode, found silly in a funny way, it is not the first time and for sure not the last time Islam
56 Yellowstone : Because the central idea at the heart of Islam - that the Quran is the literal word of God - is foolish on its face. God doesn't talk to people, cert
57 newark777 : Those Islamic groups are worse than South Park.
58 SOBHI51 : Thats what i said. And to add they are more dangerous, south park will never hurt Islam but Radical Islamic groups are hurting and will cause a lot o
59 Post contains links Slider : Well, we’ll again agree to disagree. As another poster already identified and elaborated on dhimmitude, I’ll also offer the reminder about what t
60 Post contains links PSA53 : Bravo! To Jon Stewart and the Daily Show.I find "South Park" tasteless humor, but I do,for the must part,unless it's really bad and gross,believe not
61 san747 : Well Nick, the odds are in their favor since, they've breached this subject at least twice in the last nine years, including an episode that showed M
62 SOBHI51 : The problem is that some people can not separate between radical Islamic groups who are a minority and the majority of peace loving Muslims all aroun
63 Post contains images PSA53 : Very true.Very sad.Media problem. I've come know personally Jordanians,Iraqi and a Iranian.Great folks.
64 newark777 : One issue with that is that the supposedly peaceful Muslims hardly seem to condemn the violent Muslims' behavior, and when they do, it appears to be
65 Post contains links Yellowstone : The important bits, roughly transcribed... In conclusion, I think there's only one thing left to say to Revolution Muslim, and I hesitate to use this
66 Post contains images SOBHI51 : It is, or at least it is a big part of it. When was the last time you read something good about Islam in Western Media. If a radical group who maybe
67 StarAC17 : However what enrages a lot of religious people is that most religions are modeled on principles that cannot or are not supposed to be questioned. Thi
68 MoltenRock : The so called xtian faith of evangelicals ain't any different. Nor the uber-Hebrew-Jewish contingent. They all use dischord to sow their seeds of int
69 Slider : You speak of limited knowledge yet, by your own admission back in the original Swiss minaret thread, you ceded ignorance about some of the very platf
70 SOBHI51 : At least i speak with respect to other religions without calling them names or trying my best to show only the bad side of a specific religion. I did
71 SOBHI51 : I feel sorry for you realy. Somebody who feels that a religion with over a billion follower is the enemy, and can not find anything positive in that
72 JCS17 : SOBHI, you seem to be a reasonable fella'. Doesn't the Prophet have better things to do than worry about his image through drawings? I mean, other "pr
73 Post contains images cws818 : This is about one TV show - not the entire West! You don't think that is a bit exaggerated? Sad, isn't it? Absolutely - common sense needs to prevail
74 Post contains images SOBHI51 : I am sure he does, but not like Jesus there is no real drawing for him so whatever pictures or drawings surfacing now does not depict the real Prophe
75 bwest : Good thing too! We need more of those groups then, and more pedophiles and scandals in the catholic church. It can only help the world to get rid of
76 SepulTALLICA : Oh give me a break. Do you really think without religion we'd all be dancing round in circles and showering each other with rose petals and twanging
77 bwest : Oh I'm not that naive, humans will always find a cause to hit each others brains out... But at least we would have less idiots thinking they should bl
78 Yellowstone : Bingo. As Richard Dawkins (I think - it may have been another of the four prominent New Atheists) pointed out, good people will do good with or witho
79 newark777 : So good people are incorruptible without religion? That's quite a stretch.
80 Yellowstone : Not necessarily incorruptible, but they are a lot harder to corrupt. Also, feel free to substitute for religion any social phenomenon that preaches u
81 StarAC17 : I have heard that most frequently used by Christopher Hitchens but I have sure Dawkins, or Sam Harris, or Daniel Dennett (the 4 horseman of atheism)
82 JCS17 : It's not as bad as everyone thinks? Shit, British Airways stopped flights to the Kingdom for a while because the cabin crew refused to go. Women cann
83 diamond : The discussion has drifted far away from the creators of South Park and gotten into much broader generalizations of certain relgions, customs, violenc
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