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Burning Oil Rig Sinks, Sparking Fears Of Big Spill  
User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2567 posts, RR: 6
Posted (4 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9956 times:

Yet another disaster for the environment and perhaps severe consequences for the coast of the US.

At this stage the death toll is unclear, as 11 others are still missing although they are presumed dead.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...fm?c_id=2&objectid=10640350&pnum=3


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18709 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9948 times:

But off-shore drilling is a GREAT idea! It's so safe and has no environmental effect!

User currently onlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9939 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
But off-shore drilling is a GREAT idea! It's so safe and has no environmental effect!

Yes it is a great idea. Boohoo the environment. 11 people died..



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10742 posts, RR: 38
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9911 times:

I have been following this oil spill.
This is some of what I have found on the internet. They say the oil rig is sinking which is not good news.

Fears are growing of a serious environmental disaster emerging in the Gulf of Mexico as a direct result from the stricken oil platform which sunk Thursday. In an afternoon briefing, a Coast Guard officer said an oil slick one mile by five miles large has appeared on the ocean's surface.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...ulf_of_mexico_oil_rig_sinking.html

RIP 11 oil rig victims.  



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 915 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9845 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
But off-shore drilling is a GREAT idea! It's so safe and has no environmental effect!

And I suppose you are ignorant to the fact that oil naturally leaks from the ocean floor in quantities that far exceed man-made spills? The explorer Cabeza de Vaca used the washed-up tar on the beaches of Galveston Island to patch-up his rafts in 1528. Our industry goes to great lengths to protect the environment, but sometimes you should see the forrest for the trees. Off-shore drilling is hazardous work, I've never seen anyone downplay the risks. The people working those rigs are more conscious of the need for safety than anyone.

Now that you are done criticizing the evil oil industry, go back to using the gasoline, pharmaceuticals, cosmetics, chemicals, and plastics that come from petroleum.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18709 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9813 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 4):

And I suppose you are ignorant to the fact that oil naturally leaks from the ocean floor in quantities that far exceed man-made spills?

Funny, I've never seen as many naturally-occurring oil slicks as there is here.

In fact, I've tried to verify what you've said and I'm unable to.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 4):
Now that you are done criticizing the evil oil industry, go back to using the gasoline, pharmaceuticals, cosmetics, chemicals, and plastics that come from petroleum.

Don't have much choice, do I? Hopefully I will have a choice soon.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 915 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9765 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
Funny, I've never seen as many naturally-occurring oil slicks as there is here. In fact, I've tried to verify what you've said and I'm unable to.
http://www.livescience.com/environment/090520-natural-oil-seeps.html

There is effectively an oil spill every day at Coal Oil Point (COP), the natural seeps off Santa Barbara where 20 to 25 tons of oil have leaked from the seafloor each day for the last several hundred thousand years. The oil from natural seeps and from man-made spills are both formed from the decay of buried fossil remains that are transformed over millions of years through exposure to heat and pressure.

http://seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov/OCEAN_P...ANET/HTML/peril_oil_pollution.html

Natural Seeps: 62 Million Gallons - Some ocean oil "pollution" is natural. Seepage from the ocean bottom and eroding sedimentary rocks releases oil.

Big Spills: 37 Million Gallons - Only about 5 percent of oil pollution in oceans is due to major tanker accidents, but one big spill can disrupt sea and shore life for miles

Offshore Drilling: 15 Million Gallons - Offshore oil production can cause ocean oil pollution, from spills and operational discharges

The text on this site is presented as an archival version of the script of "Ocean Planet," a 1995 Smithsonian Institution traveling exhibition. The content reflects the state of knowledge at the time of the exhibition, and has not been updated.


http://oils.gpa.unep.org/facts/natural-sources.htm

As pointed out by the National Research Council (NRC) of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, "natural oil seeps contribute the highest amount of oil to the marine environment, accounting for 46 per cent of the annual load to the world's oceans. -- Although they are entirely natural, these seeps significantly alter the nature of nearby marine environments.


As I said, environmental protection is very important, but the environmental cost of off-shore drilling should be kept in the context of an ecosystem that tolerates millions of gallons of oil releases whether humans engage in drilling or not.


User currently offlinephotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2645 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 day ago) and read 9721 times:

Instead of Drill, Drill, Drill..... perhaps they should rephrase it to be Spill, Spill, Spill.  

User currently onlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 22 hours ago) and read 9688 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
As I said, environmental protection is very important, but the environmental cost of off-shore drilling should be kept in the context of an ecosystem that tolerates millions of gallons of oil releases whether humans engage in drilling or not.

Good post.



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2567 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 12 hours ago) and read 9635 times:

Looks like the search has been called off for the other missing oil rig workers, sad but I suppose it has to end one day.

There have been a massive 1,244 accidents causing 41 deaths and 302 injuries on rigs since between 2001 and 2007, which is a large number in anyone book. Not what you would call a safe place to work!


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...ticle.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10640622



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User currently offlinejush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 hours ago) and read 9602 times:

It's not a safe place to work. That is why nobody is forced to work there, instead you can earn a lot without a lot of education.
Risk is the factor which gets poor guys to good levels of pay. But they don't have to do that.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8876 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 hours ago) and read 9567 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
There have been a massive 1,244 accidents causing 41 deaths and 302 injuries on rigs since between 2001 and 2007, which is a large number in anyone book. Not what you would call a safe place to work!

Probably still a lot safer than working for your local highway/motorway. . .



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18709 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (4 years ago) and read 9542 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
As I said, environmental protection is very important, but the environmental cost of off-shore drilling should be kept in the context of an ecosystem that tolerates millions of gallons of oil releases whether humans engage in drilling or not.

But the sources you quote quite clearly say that a concentrated, high-flow spill is very different in its ecological impact from the seepage. Seepage is spread out over thousands of square miles, while in a spill that amount of oil is released from a single point. The ecological effects are wildly different. Natural seepage doesn't lead to the vast wildlife kills that a spill does.

We need an alternative form of fuel to power our combustion-based machines and we need it soon.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9493 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
There have been a massive 1,244 accidents causing 41 deaths and 302 injuries on rigs since between 2001 and 2007, which is a large number in anyone book. Not what you would call a safe place to work!

You want to see number that will shock you.. look at those from commercial aviation. My best guess is 4-5 times those...and I'm talking all inclusive... ramps, hangars, passengers...etc.

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
Yet another disaster for the environment and perhaps severe consequences for the coast of the US.
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
But off-shore drilling is a GREAT idea! It's so safe and has no environmental effect!

Have you read of ANY accounts of oil leaking...???



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User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9485 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):

But off-shore drilling is a GREAT idea! It's so safe and has no environmental effect!

I wonder how many people died as a result of medical malpractice last week? To listen to a few here in this forum its hard to believe the morgues can keep up. As to the enviromental effect:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6973797.html

Nearly defying belief, Coast Guard officials said on Friday the massive rig, which sunk Thursday morning, was itself missing, lost somewhere in 5,000 feet of water as it descended to the ocean floor.

A valve, meantime, had been activated at the wellhead on the seafloor, cutting off the flow of oil and gas and temporarily preventing a potentially disastrous oil spill.


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Friday evening, nine skimmers were vacuuming up a 2-mile-by-8-mile veil of oil from the water's surface and had so far collected 180 barrels of water and oil mixture. There were no indications the oil sheen was moving toward the coastline as of late Friday evening.

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“It's bad that it happened but better than if it happened in saltwater marshes and mangroves, where it is really difficult to clean up,” said Chris Reddy, an oil spill expert at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts. “In the water, nature does a good job of cleaning itself up.”


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8876 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9484 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 13):
Have you read of ANY accounts of oil leaking...???

Not until recently. . .

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63O01U20100425

With that said, calling 1,000 gallons per day a lot seems a bit much. When Petrobras P-36 rig exploded (and sank) in 2001 we also had minimal environmental impact.

Seems like the danger is mostly from ships?

[Edited 2010-04-24 19:00:57]


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9474 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 15):
Seems like the danger is mostly from ships?

doubtful.. I'm sure it's a few hundred feet down. It was 50+ miles off shore



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18709 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9473 times:

Quoting dxing (Reply 14):

I wonder how many people died as a result of medical malpractice last week?

A lot less than were saved by medicine. By my conservative estimate, I save 2-3 lives per week on average. I have committed malpractice (so far) zero times.

If there were a safer alternative to modern medicine that were as effective, I'd be all about it. There isn't. There are safer alternatives to fossil fuels in the works and I think we should be working faster.


User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9453 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
A lot less than were saved by medicine.

And you can thank the petroleum industry for helping that to happen. Look around your office tomorrow and take stock of all things plastic. Most of them have a petroleum (oil) base. Which alternative will replace them?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
There are safer alternatives to fossil fuels in the works and I think we should be working faster.

Name them. And please describe how they replace oil and all that it does.

Industrial accidents happen. Have happened, will happen.

And have a nice day.

[Edited 2010-04-24 21:32:05]

User currently offlinenighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5093 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9410 times:

Quoting dxing (Reply 14):
A valve, meantime, had been activated at the wellhead on the seafloor, cutting off the flow of oil and gas and temporarily preventing a potentially disastrous oil spill.

that's the way it works. The valves are spring return, and are held open by hydraulic pressure. If you lose the rig, then you lose the hydraulic supply, sooner or later that things gonna snap shut.



That'll teach you
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13813 posts, RR: 63
Reply 20, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9396 times:

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 19):
Quoting dxing (Reply 14):
A valve, meantime, had been activated at the wellhead on the seafloor, cutting off the flow of oil and gas and temporarily preventing a potentially disastrous oil spill.

that's the way it works. The valves are spring return, and are held open by hydraulic pressure. If you lose the rig, then you lose the hydraulic supply, sooner or later that things gonna snap shut.

Yup, this valve, the blowout preventer, just cuts through the drill pipe.

Jan


User currently offlineMoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9318 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
But off-shore drilling is a GREAT idea! It's so safe and has no environmental effect!

Funny how people who don't live in states affected by oil spills love to tout "Drill, Baby, Drill" and are as rare as clubbed baby seals in a Disney flick when a spill / environmental disaster strikes eh?


User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9301 times:

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 21):
Funny how people who don't live in states affected by oil spills love to tout "Drill, Baby, Drill" and are as rare as clubbed baby seals in a Disney flick when a spill / environmental disaster strikes eh?

I live in Houston, Texas. I think we need to drill more. Accidents are going to happen no matter how much prevention is done. Name the replacement for oil and all it does and I'll say stop drilling.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 915 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9291 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
If there were a safer alternative to modern medicine that were as effective, I'd be all about it. There isn't. There are safer alternatives to fossil fuels in the works and I think we should be working faster.

I question the notion that alternative fuels are inherently safer than petroleum.

Whether fossil fuel or alternative fuels, we are trying to collect or concentrate a source of energy. When you concentrate energy, things can go wrong, regardless of the source of that energy. Ethanol fumes can be just as explosive as natural gas. The electric current coming out of 2 megawatt wind turbine can fry you just as the power coming from a coal fire plant.

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 21):
Funny how people who don't live in states affected by oil spills love to tout "Drill, Baby, Drill" and are as rare as clubbed baby seals in a Disney flick when a spill / environmental disaster strikes eh?

Like dxing, I live near the Texas coast, frequently visit the coast, and happened to swim a triathlon in Galveston Bay this morning. I would hate to see an ecological disaster in my backyard, but we also need petroleum to sustain our standard of living in more ways than can be counted. The risks of off-shore drilling can be managed quite well.

I would remind you that no society is invincible from regression. Do we have the courage to keep our society ticking, or will we devolve into poverty the same as the Romans did?


User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2854 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9281 times:

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 21):

Funny how people who don't live in states affected by oil spills love to tout "Drill, Baby, Drill" and are as rare as clubbed baby seals in a Disney flick when a spill

Funny I live in an oil producing state, I say keep drilling. Your analogy does not seem to hold any substance.

Okie


25 MarSciGuy : I took part in a training session abot escaping from a helicopter underwater after it has crashed with 20-25 oil rig workers, and man, from what I he
26 nighthawk : Indeed they do! Regulations covering offshore workers are VERY strict, far more so than most other industries. All personell working offshore must co
27 MarSciGuy : I do not, nor ever have, worked on an oil installation afloat or ashore, thankfully, for the HUET training (Helicopter Underwater Egress training) sc
28 DocLightning : I have. Multiple times in other threads. But you aren't interested. For one thing, algae biofuels are biodegradable and don't need to be drilled. Yes
29 flanker : Nothing is on the horizon that would replace oil. The problem is that its not just about fuel. Something else might help here and there but until the
30 DocLightning : In fact, I have corn-based plastics in my home. And if you think that biofuels are about corn or algae ponds, then you are way out of date.
31 flanker : You are talking about turning food into plastics. That makes so much sense!
32 Post contains images Mudboy : Well I live in MS when I am stateside, and after Katrina, and all the people that got killed this weekend in Yazoo City by the Tornado, oil washing u
33 okie : No information as to what happened to cause the "blow out". There is equipment in place to monitor mud flow and control a kick. It has not been said w
34 dxing : I'm interested in realistic solutions, not a bio reactor that somehow magically turns out 100,000 barrels of fuel on 100 gallons of fresh water in th
35 Post contains links MoltenRock : New polling data should be out next week as the photos and videos of the ecological disaster that is currently the size of West Virginia and growing h
36 Post contains links StuckInCA : Not a good situation http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100430/..._ge/us_louisiana_oil_rig_explosion VENICE, La. (AP) — An oil spill that threatened to ec
37 DocLightning : It's not magic, it uses more than 100 gallons of water, but certainly a manageable amount. But Dxing, I could fuel your car with the stuff for a year
38 Derico : It seems the United States will face ''catastrophic'' environmental damage. That caught my attention as I had not heard this before in news reports. H
39 Aaron747 : To be fair, though your posts regarding the lack of petroleum alternatives are accurate, there is no logical reason to pop a shot at the medical prof
40 dxing : Good luck with that. I've got a lot of friends in the oil industry and they are just as hardworking as any of the medical professionals I know of. On
41 FlyPNS1 : However, with medical malpractice, those who have been wronged have a decent chance of getting remunerated for the wrong done to them. Will those in
42 PPVRA : Broken legal system and stupid laws. Rather than getting distracted with "green" technologies, perhaps the government should focus in getting it's ve
43 Post contains links Aaron747 : Sorry, just not anywhere near the same thing. They're not involved in the business of keeping people among us. There's a reason this stuff requires 1
44 AGM100 : This is a terrible incident .. OMG we were going to Destin this year..fuck . This is just the worst possible scenario .... big time horrible event . S
45 StuckInCA : Still not concerned about it given more recent news? Hindsight... LOL
46 casinterest : Heading there this week. Will post an oil update in a few weeks. This weekend's weather looks like it will really bring the oil into Louisiana, Missi
47 Post contains links PPVRA : Eh, historically speaking it seems the vast majority of oil spills are from ships. http://www.marinergroup.com/oil-spill-history.htm
48 AGM100 : Yes the "Lawyer in Chief" ..already fired the first shot at them this morning . "Heckavu Job Barry " way to set up cooperative operation's....great l
49 DfwRevolution : It's a bad situation that has gotten worse, but what is the alternative? Go back to the stone-age? A lot of you sound like the parrots who call for t
50 SKYSERVICE_330 : What did he do/say?
51 PPVRA : This is getting out of hand. I don't think anyone has tried to belittle another's profession here. It doesn't make any sense to think that way anyway
52 StuckInCA : No. If all laws and safety procedures were followed and there is consensus that they are sufficient than we can chalk it up as an unfortunate inciden
53 DocLightning : But they aren't accurate. There are not *currently* available alternatives, but with not very much investment, research, and time (less than ten year
54 Post contains links dxing : http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63T2VX20100430 "We are taking full responsibility for the spill and we will clean it up, and where people can pr
55 mt99 : Right.. he should have said: "Way to Go BP. This is the kind of responsible drilling that we have been talking about - who cares about a few drops of
56 dxing : Or he could have said job one is to do whatever it takes to plug the hole. After that we will see what mistakes were made. Instead resources, however
57 MD-90 : Dang it, we're leaving for New Orleans a week from now. Hopefully the price of seafood doesn't skyrocket.
58 IADCA : Can anybody here concede that to maintain our present standard of living, we need a Justice Department, oil extractors (with their hardworking enginee
59 dxing : As well as oil. Yes. But to swing a wide brush as some have done allows the same comparisons to be made. Two totally different disasters. One natural
60 Aaron747 : That wasn't the point. Everyone recognizes working on oil rigs is dangerous, but just about any able-bodied person willing to accept the risk can go
61 dxing : I worked off shore for a very short time in 1981. This was right after I ended my enlistment as a Ranger Instructor. The men out on those rigs are do
62 mt99 : Just like Chernobyil and seven mile island were an accident
63 IADCA : It was rhetorical. Hence the "Good." Katrina was largely a failure of disaster response. If everything had been in position for the recovery to happe
64 okie : Heavens mt99 your so busy spinning that you spun three mile island into seven Okie
65 Post contains images mt99 : three, seven. same thing
66 Aaron747 : I never said it was an unsafe industry - that was someone else. Still not an excuse to slag the medical profession.
67 dxing : And that's stopped the Finns from building them hasn't it? I believe the fifth is scheduled to come on line in a couple of years? I didn't say you di
68 Post contains images Aaron747 : What is this, high school? Two wrongs make a right?
69 DocLightning : Here's what I don't get: This is, in many ways, almost as bad as a nuclear accident. There will be regions of ocean that will be altered for centuries
70 Dreadnought : Let's not exaggerate. Yes, it's a big mess. The Exxon Valdez spill impact is expected to have completely disappeared in another 10 years, or 30 years
71 racko : You're talking about Olkiluoto? That thing is miles over budget and while originally scheduled to go on line in 2009 was delayed over and over, the m
72 Aaron747 : That's a good question. Clearly there needs to be a more concerted effort to attack that issue on two fronts: one, get fusion power production workin
73 okie : BP and its partners in this well "lease" the drilling platform, no one as of yet has said who the other partners were involved with this well. BP has
74 Post contains links dxing : http://neinuclearnotes.blogspot.com/...p-poll-pro-nuclear-candidates.html From 2001... http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/04/2001-04-25-nuclear.
75 Post contains links nighthawk : This is the field in question: The Macondo prospect is located on Mississippi Canyon Block 252 in the Gulf of Mexico in a water depth of 4,993 feet (
76 racko : They don't know. As I said, it's a mess.
77 Post contains links photopilot : http://fairwhistleblower.ca/content/...-opposed-new-stricter-safety-rules Of course it's very interesting to note that BP opposed stricter safeguards
78 Post contains images BMI727 : To be fair, I'm sure that they are all skilled at what they do. Some skills aren't taught in colleges. That would make it the second biggest disaster
79 OA412 : Tell you what, the next time I get sick, I'll call an engineer. Silly argument? Of course it is, but then a lot of you guys are acting like children.
80 Andaman : Actually last week the Finnish government showed green light for two more reactors, the parliament says the last word later this year. The thinking g
81 mt99 : Isnt that like saying "here eat these fries.. how many times are you going to have heart attack in your life? Once? Twice tops!"
82 Post contains links Baroque : Just for the record, from http://www.sintef.no/Home/Technology.../SINTEF-Offshore-Blowout-Database/ GOM 1980 to 2008, blowouts. Dev. drlg 53 Expl. drl
83 Post contains links Baroque : From the source cited above. "Halliburton had completed the cementing of the final production casing string in accordance with the well design approxi
84 dxing : How does that happen? If they had stopped drilling and weren't recovering oil, where did the gas come from? I'm interested to hear details/theories a
85 Baroque : One possibility is that gas got out of the reservoir horizon - no GOR is available for the oil, but it seems safe to assume it is gassy!! - and develo
86 Mortyman : 3 Norwegian ships are currently involved in trying to stop the leak and shut the valve. However they don't have much hope in achieving their goal. The
87 Post contains links dxing : Thanks for that explanation. It clears things up somewhat. I'm guessing the people who really know are probably part of the 11 missing and presumed d
88 marsciguy : As far as I have read and heard through people working in other parts of the "patch" the relief wells will be used to inject drilling mud and concret
89 Post contains links dxing : Looks like some details from survivors are starting to come out as well as a base timeline of events. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...ness/deep
90 Post contains links NAV20 : This looks like the first bit of 'good news' so far:- "BP says it has positioned a 100-tonne concrete and steel dome over the blown-out oil well at th
91 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : As I puttered around a ships forum I found these amazing photos of the oil rig explosion (upper part of the page) http://www.captainsvoyage-forum.net/
92 Post contains links speedygonzales : Unfortunately not: http://climateprogress.org/2010/05/0...-volcano-of-oil-with-100-ton-dome/
93 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Rig workers telling of the rig explosion. Pretty amazing. From the New York Times/MSNBC. Workers tell of night their oil rig exploded The New York Tim
94 F9Animal : What a disaster! Now, they are going to gouge us for their mistake at the pumps.
95 okie : Well the oil companies are making what .04 per gallon profit and the federal government .15 per gallon and wanting to add an additional .50 to $1.25
96 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Amateur Video Of Gulf Oil Slick Video is from Alabama resident John Wathen as a volunteer pilot flew him over the area where the oil rig sank. http://
97 nighthawk : Thats rather ironic coming from someone who does a lot of flying, all of it for fun. Perhaps if you weren't "first to fly the A380", we wouldnt need
98 MadameConcorde : Divide this by the number of passengers on board a 380/per mile/km (quieter, cleaner, greener) and take the fact that I do not own an automobile into
99 Post contains links nighthawk : Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8679090.stm In other news, a gas platform has sunk off the coast of Venezuela... see seperate thread for
100 BMI727 : Well, dolphins can't make my car go, so...
101 Post contains links and images dxing : Of course then there is what nature is doing to us via the Icelandic volcano! I think I fancy the Russian solution!!! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/2
102 okie : Looks like they have had some success finally getting the insertion tube into the riser and collecting the some of the oil. They should at least get a
103 nighthawk : you gotta love those Russians!
104 Baroque : I wonder how the plug is doing in terms of % of the flow. Nobody seems very certain. I would certainly like to know which process turns oil with an SG
105 okie : The lowest I have heard is 20%. I was hoping for a larger reduction. I am skeptical of the junk shot. Not that I would doubt that it would stop the f
106 Baroque : It is a bit disappointing. I am not sure how it works. I suppose it is possible it may get more effective with time - then again at 20% it would want
107 Post contains links and images NAV20 : This press story possibly provides some clues:- "Kent Wells, a BP exec, said that the siphoning process appears to be working well. This marks the th
108 Post contains links nighthawk : From wikipedia, the deepwater horizon is a "dynamically positioned" rig, ie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_positioning
109 Post contains links Baroque : Yep, thas how. At 5000 feet of water, you need a very long (ans strong) piece of string. I presume the pressure problem relates to the rate at which
110 Post contains links Baroque : For a considerable amount of detail on legal liabilities, and partly as asides comparisons between the Montara blowout and the current GOM blowout: ht
111 Post contains images nighthawk : I just got emailed this rather unfortunate old BP advert.... I bet they regret that campaign now!
112 Post contains images Dreadnought : Ouch!
113 Dreadnought : 60 Minutes had a big segment last week about the blowout. Here is a (very) brief summary: 1) As a well is being drilled and brought into production, t
114 Baroque : I find this difficult to understand. There is no question of production with an exploration rig sitting on the wildcat well. For production, you need
115 okie : Production was years away, the wrong interpretation of what was going on. The procedure was to shut in the well, cement and cap it until the producti
116 Baroque : Yes, indeed, saving rig time could be a factor, but not accelerating "production". That rig has/had not a lot to do with PRODUCTION. Just with discov
117 theredbaron : I wonder how long it will take this disaster to end. In my view this enormous spill is another chapter in the "we dont learn even after Chernobil" sag
118 Post contains images TheCommodore : You got it in one. And again.
119 Baroque : It is not ignorance of how to avoid the problems that cause both Chernobyl and blowouts but failure to follow correct procedures. Effective controls
120 Post contains links TheCommodore : Here we go Pointing the finger in the blame game. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/20/science/earth/20noaa.html?hp
121 Baroque : Interesting. BP do have a point suggesting that too many folk poking around near the well head would be less than optimal. I wonder if there are no t
122 theredbaron : I agree, the problem now is that corporations care only about quarterly profits and stocks and everything else goes to a second or worse plane. Gas i
123 okie : The problem I have with your theory is that society wants all the growth, comfort and technology that comes from oil but has the uncanny ability to w
124 speedygonzales : There nothing wrong with making a profit (at least I don't think so), the problem is when profit becomes more important than the safety of workers an
125 Post contains links and images NAV20 : LOVE it, Baroque mate.... Nice to have someone on the thread who has forgotten more about oil exploration than most of us know........ Interesting th
126 okie : Again, I will say no so fast on your assumption. The problem with this blowout is that they were relying on the BOP to function properly and to be ac
127 Post contains links Arrow : Indeed. Even more interesting is how quickly events can make the pendulum swing. Before BP's GOM catastrophe, Canada's tar sands oil was "dirty oil"
128 Post contains images Baroque : Obviously better to have no oil (although there is probaby always some natural seep oil in the Miss Delta) but as they go and only from the colour on
129 NAV20 : Thanks, Baroque, very informative. I can say right now that, IMO, after the politicians have finished their fulminating, BP appears unlikely to bear a
130 Baroque : Well the lawyers will be serving a purpose but it will ALL be US law. The lease is under US jurisdiction, Feds unless I am mistaken. The contracts be
131 okie : Correct, just remember the first actions from the government came a week after the rig sank. The Obama administration dispatched lawyers and a swat t
132 Baroque : True, but I guess it does show where the bloody leaks are, which is some sort of an advance. That riser looks to be in a bit of a mess to be trusting
133 F9Animal : The oil companies are a disgrace. They pocket money, and do little to prevent disasters like this. Did any of the morons at BP ever consider something
134 Post contains links Baroque : Codswallop with all due respect. For example http://www.rigzone.com/store/product.asp?p_id=226 Blowout Prevention and Well Control Series Format: VHS
135 F9Animal : With all do respect... What in the hell is a videotape going to do to save what has happened? BP and every single oil operator knew that something li
136 BMI727 : I can't make plastic out of them, and they can't make my car go. Let's keep our priorities straight. Look at what I found on ExxonMobil's website. If
137 Post contains images okie : Try the facts, 1.6 Billion dollars were paid into the government to help deal with an oil spill problem if it happened and have additional equipment
138 Baroque : Not wrong there. The inference from F9A is that a bunch of amateurs would do better, but we can guarantee than a bunch of amateurs in charge of oil e
139 F9Animal : Wow, I am amazed at your priorities. It appears that your views of this disaster are not a big deal. You might find yourself eating fake crab, fake l
140 F9Animal : Wild eye rant? You helped my "rant" or better yet, my concerns of the oil industry. Exxon new darned well that something like this could happen. Why
141 NAV20 : Fine, F9Animal, so long as you don't mind walking to work for the rest of your life...... Oil products, in my view, are the single most important 'co
142 ltbewr : To me this disaster will have affects for generations as to the enviroment and further oil drilling in the GOM region and elsewhere. It has already pu
143 NAV20 : Understand and respect your point of view, ltblewr. But how much extra would you be prepared to pay for a (US) gallon of gas, to achieve this (clearl
144 Post contains links Baroque : There is not a lot even the US government can do to BP that would possibly be worse than what has already happened. Exploration in the Gulf is at bes
145 F9Animal : We already pay more than what it is worth. The huge record profits they made are beyond pathetic. If anything, the government should take over, just
146 Post contains images BMI727 : It would be a far bigger disaster if various whackjobs used this accident to restrict or ban offshore drilling and willingly give up a resource that
147 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Pictures from the Gulf disaster. One set is from the Denver Post and one set from the Boston Globe. http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/201...isaster_unf
148 Post contains images nighthawk : So by your argument, Boeing should be shut down, due to them not being proactive and reinforcing the cockpit doors. Why didnt they think about the co
149 Post contains images F9Animal : I blame the manufacturers and the airlines for not being proactive. How many times had cockpits been breached in the past. It took 9/11 to see someth
150 okie : We have not put humans on the roads, in the sky's, or into space, nor have we had housing, electricity or food to feed the masses and medical advance
151 BMI727 : They are free to try and settle it in the courts. And yet Alaska is still there and thriving. There are still fish in the Pacific. I have no time for
152 MD11Engineer : What I wonder about is why the blowout preventer did not shut down the hole when the drill rig sank. It should have had multiple redundant fail safe v
153 okie : The BOP's have multiple sources of energy and multiple valves and multiple controls. That is what is baffling to those of us that are familiar with t
154 Post contains images DfwRevolution : It will teach other oil companies that the United States is a hostile business environment where the rule of law means nothing more than it does in V
155 F9Animal : Pure selfish response. Do you crap in the toilet, and leave it for someone else to flush? Absolutely sickening if you ask me. One of these days, you
156 theredbaron : I am all up for capitalism and making money, but when you make money destroying not only the environment, but the means of life of people, because of
157 MD11Engineer : I´m a technician. For me the important question is not WHO f#cked up (I leave this for the lawyers), but WHY didn´t the blowout preventer close the
158 theredbaron : Thanks for the insight on the outcome of this accident, just as Chernobyl where the failsafe systems failed due to an unforeseen use of controls in a
159 Baroque : Yes, the leaks are in the riser which is the shell outside the drill string and guides the drill string down to the well bore. And yes, the BOP shoul
160 MD11Engineer : I don´t know if you ever heard about it, but my dad, as a student of geology in the late 1950s, was doing a practical period (like an intern)working
161 Post contains links Baroque : No had not heard that. Do not doubt it, most drilling outfits in the past tended to ignore proper casing a mud weight procedures until they got caugh
162 Post contains links MD11Engineer : Found something about the Emsland incident (it happened in summer 1957): In German: http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-41758547.html And in this ar
163 okie : I agree with you on the fact that the BOP should have stopped the flow. Let me respectfully say this and I can only surmise from what little informat
164 Baroque : I seem to remember a previous blow-out where a drill collar had stopped the operation of the BOP rams, but I cannot remember which or easily find a r
165 MD11Engineer : From what I understand, most German oilfields are rather docile and require pumps to get the oil out (e.g around Hannover), but the Emsland fields ha
166 Post contains links NAV20 : Well-put-together article and a useful diagram on what BP will attempt next:- http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-sp...f_successful_top_kill_will_pe.htm
167 okie : Thanks for the article NAV20. Not showing drill pipe in the hole, but then again does not show casing and casing hanger either. Lets just hope the to
168 Baroque : Which is about why "everyone" is not well suited to exploration and production of oil and gas!!! I think that is just diagrammatic, I have not seen a
169 okie : Now you get to learn a little more on temperature measurement, with the exception of extreme temps (for humans anyway) as in foundry work and on the
170 Baroque : Yes, but then you need enough data for a Horner plot if you are going to find out the formation temperature which is what I need to know unless DST t
171 MadameConcorde : Why is it that we don't hear the Greenies much on this oil disaster? We don't see GreenPeace and other organizations protesting with boats near where
172 okie : Maybe why Obama dispatched a SWAT team to the GOM, to protect the workers trying to stop the leak but who knows. While scouting the cable news channe
173 Post contains links oly720man : They had a go in London. http://www.greenpeace.org/internatio...rotest-at-BPs-London-headquarters/ I expect that they're holding back until the exten
174 MadameConcorde : A SWAT team? What's that? A peculiar name.
175 Post contains images NAV20 : As far as I can tell, the holes from wihch the oil is leaking are actually IN the riser (that is, above the Blowout Preventer). So if (talk about a B
176 Post contains links Dreadnought : Meanwhile, in Washington: In keeping with Rahm Emmanuel's famous statement, “You never want a serious crisis go to waste”, Democrats are respondin
177 Post contains images Baroque : I especially like the bit about the pump. It will IF they can get enough heavy mud into the upper part of the hole, AND the BOP connection to the upp
178 Arrow : Baroque, Okie, NAV20 and others ... thanks for the education. This has been a very informative read and although I know a little about this stuff, I d
179 okie : I can not answer exactly, about the largest I have seen land based is 32 5/8" bit leaving the surface, which would equate to a 27" rotary table remov
180 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Comments and links about the Gulf oil disaster Oleg Kotov, Commander of the International Space Station said that the oil flood looked “very scary
181 Post contains links NAV20 : Perhaps a moment of hope......... This is the live video feed provided by BP, centred on the Blowout Preventer. You'll see that there are six leaks in
182 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : I was just watching another live feed from the BP site. I don't see any "improvement" there. http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_inte...s/bp_homepage/html
183 okie : We do not know that, you just have to understand that during the top kill process that the pressures are increased to over and above the existing pre
184 Post contains links oly720man : Breaking news is that it's now stopped http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/us_and_canada/10174861.stm BP has stopped the flow of oil and gas from a ruptu
185 Post contains images Baroque : Sounds from that as if they have now weighted the column in the casing sufficiently to kill the flow, ?now to get more permanent control.
186 oly720man : The leak has now slowed according to an updated report, and the head of the monitoring agency has resigned. Hours before Mr Obama was due to speak, US
187 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Just got back to my internet and saw this. They have stopped the oil leak - for now. It only took them about 5 weeks. Reporting from Houma, La. Engin
188 okie : She was relieved of her duties once before because of her incompetence and Obama reappointed her. Which in my estimation is the problem we have with
189 okie : It appears BP is now restocking supplies and will take another try at it Thursday evening or Friday morning. They will be using bridging materials th
190 Post contains links NAV20 : Just heard a statement from a BP spokesman live on our radio. As far as I recall what he said:- 1. They reduced the pressure of the mud but oil/gas re
191 okie : Definetly deflated hopes somewhat. I had a conversation with a friend that years ago was called in on blow out that they killed with a "junk shot". I
192 Post contains images NAV20 : Nice one, Okie . Looks like Tiger Woods to the rescue with a 'hole in one' ........
193 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : In the following video two men who seem to know what they are talking about have their say about what they would do to try and stop this. (10 minutes
194 okie : Hi Billy Mays here, introducing the amazing "Blow Out" patch Guaranteed to stop any leak. Just three easy payments of $9.95 plus shipping and handlin
195 Baroque : Hi Okie, you must have typed that from the floor where you fell laughing. Oh yes, a stick of gelignite will work a treat you twits. Red Adair used it
196 okie : I suspect BP will not announce much of anything until they have the job cemented. Looking for Sunday? Obama is heading down to New Orleans today for
197 Baroque : Yes, I know just enough about that side of things to know I DONT want to know much more. I know there are reasons for formalities, but when you hit F
198 MD11Engineer : Well, you could always use the Russian method. I can´t find the link anymore, but they suggesting blowing up a nuke in a hole near the well. Apparen
199 okie : It appears anyway that there could be a drill collar stuck in the BOP and they are afraid that disturbing the drill string inside the riser would jar
200 MD11Engineer : This could explain why the BOP didn´t shut. Jan
201 Post contains links dxing : I can. http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/...ukethegulfoilgusherrussianssuggest Weapons labs in the former Soviet Union developed special nukes for
202 Post contains links MadameConcorde : BP used cheaper casing to save money. Source: BP used cheaper casing on oil well to save money, Congress papers show http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/
203 Baroque : An American (forgotten his name) who had an interest in the company that discovered the Mereenie field, not far from Alice Springs was obsessed with t
204 okie : Obviously, some reporter has some pretty good under ground x ray vision, I would say, how do you justify that statement? There is some question about
205 ltbewr : On Thursday night, the National Geographic Channel had a 1 hour special on this disaster, focusing mainly on the original problems with the platform,
206 okie : There were a chain of process decisions and equipment that did not operate as advertised that added up to this out house mess. The Emergency Disconne
207 MD11Engineer : It seems that the blame game has started, and I think it doesn´t help BP that it is a foreign company. Jan
208 MD11Engineer : Isn´t there a fail safe circuit on the BOP, which wsill activate it automatically contact is lost with the rig? It would be very easy to design such
209 okie : The second "fail safe" is EDS which also activates the BOP and other functions is pretty much as you described. We pretty much know that the BOP had
210 MD11Engineer : Thanks for the explanation. This makes sense. Jan
211 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Prominent Oil Industry Insider: "There's Another Leak, Much Bigger, 5 to 6 Miles Away" Matt Simmons was an energy adviser to George W. Bush, is an adv
212 Post contains images TheCommodore : Just heard on the news that the plugging effort has failed ! What are the consequences now, of all this extra pollution pumped into the sea, eg shredd
213 Post contains links Baroque : Most of the junk is probably still stuck in the BOP. Other than that, I imagine the golf balls will present less of a hazard than occurs near any coa
214 Post contains links OLy720man : Just been watching the latest feed http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_inte...s/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html and there seems to be some pipe cutting a
215 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Why haven't they thought of using micro-organisms to eat the oil rather than using these toxic chemical dispersants? See here. http://www.youtube.com/
216 okie : I have not pulled up the video but that would be my assumption for what its worth. Torque/horsepower is just that, does not matter what the source. I
217 Baroque : Turbo drillls beat the lot. And they are at the bottom of the hole.
218 Post contains images OLy720man : For an industry that seems to be awash with money it strikes me that they could spend a bit more on some of the mechanicals to make life a bit easier
219 Baroque : Funny thing is they make those metals tough to cut!! You should see what happens when they decide to drill out bits of whatever might have fallen into
220 AGM100 : How about sending a US Navy nuclear submarine recovery team .... I have heard they have some amazing cutting equipment and tools to handle deep water
221 MD11Engineer : Not at 1500 meters (5000ft) depth. This is way beyond the maximum diving depth of military submarines (except some research submersibles, like ALVIN)
222 Baroque : No, Jan, the oil industry is still a bunch of country hicks with technology dating from 1910. The fact that they have been working for nearly two deca
223 Post contains images MD11Engineer : You mean Drake is still alive? Jan
224 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : One of the last crew members to escape the inferno explains how it all happened. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMg3iFQZSwA&feature=player_embedde
225 Post contains images mt99 : BP Oil Spill (Est April 2010)
226 AGM100 : I understand ... but what do they do if a sub crashes below 5,000ft? . They must have teams who recover warheads and other equipment from a disabled
227 Baroque : Not only that, he is running BP!! Funny thing is that the Chinese were at it eons ago. From Wiki The earliest known oil wells were drilled in China i
228 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Any idea what's going on in the live feed? http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_inte...s/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html Just trying to understand.
229 Baroque : Trying to put a passive cap on whatever they now have as the wellhead. Presumably the sawn off riser. This one looks more complex than the previous c
230 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : How Big is the Oil Spill? Enter your location and get a better visual. Too bad the data is already so old. http://www.ifitwasmyhome.com/ Typed in Lond
231 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Have they resorted to the tankers solution? Latest update: Oil firm BP has lowered a cap onto a leaking oil well in the Gulf of Mexico, in the hope of
232 okie : Well its been about 24 hours and not sure if all is up to speed yet. I was sure expecting to see less gas and oil escaping than there is when I looke
233 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Oil in the Gulf live video feed http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/oil-ticker/video.html A disaster.
234 F9Animal : Wow, this is beyond terrible. I hope this puts BP under. It will teach the others a valuable lesson. So many lives have been taken, so many lives have
235 Baroque : Nice canard there and such a productive thought too. Of course they had a plan, they had a number of plans and if they failed, they planned the BOP wo
236 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Oil disaster - Day 50 From looking at the live feed, the cap does not seem to have done much good. http://www.wkrg.com/gulf_oil_spill/spill_cam/ Also
237 Post contains links MadameConcorde : I am too late to edit. Sorry about the double post but this is much too important to be ignored. Photo gallery: Ripple effects of the BP oil spill htt
238 prebennorholm : Then stop using any oil related products. And convince your 299,999,999 neighbors to do the same. Just like we cannot make a 100% safe airliner, then
239 lukeyboy95 : They're not going under - too big others have already learn't their lesson the second it happened BP did have a plan in place and this is what your s
240 nighthawk : If anything you should be thankful that this happened to BP, a company with massive amounts of resources, which they immediately utilised to begin con
241 theredbaron : Now the experts said that the Top Kill was stopped because the presure is making cracks onthe ocean floor and that would be catastrophic ...like we n
242 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : More news from the experts here. As many as 40,000 barrels (1.7 million gallons) of oil a day may have been gushing out from a blown-out Gulf of Mexi
243 okie : Well as time seems to march on here we see that Obama is doing about everything he can possibly do prevent the clean up efforts. The "Jones Act" woul
244 MD11Engineer : Was there ever an engineer as opposed to a lawyer, political scientist or economist running the White House (or any other modern government, I know w
245 Post contains links NoUFO : Take a look at pic # 38. http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/201...cenes_from_the_gulf_of_mexico.html "Massive amounts" of what exactly? Ties to Toys'r'
246 Post contains links Dreadnought : http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2...oil-spill-cleanup/?test=latestnews If Obama was smart, he would issue a blanket waiver of the Jones Act for oil
247 okie : I am seriously expecting Obama to try something to shut down the relief wells that are being drilled. Okie
248 j0rdan : If you want a good laugh go to YouTube and search "BP Spills Coffee," it is a humorous take on the situation. WARNING: Video contains a curse word at
249 ZANL188 : IIRC Carter was educated as a nuclear engineer.
250 Dreadnought : Correct, but as I recall he left the Navy right at the end of his nuclear training, before he actually got assigned to a sub and actually work as an
251 ltbewr : Herbert Hoover was an engineer. An early graduate of Stamford University, he was involved with a number of successful innovations as to mineral minin
252 AGM100 : The President compared this to 9/11 ?? Really ? I mean it is far closer in relation to the Katrina event ?.... see Democrats ,politicts is like a boom
253 Dreadnought : Whether he compares it to Katrina or 9/11, either argument is a loser. The federal government response in those two cases was far better than it has
254 mt99 : No doubt Brownie did a "heck of a job.."
255 nighthawk : Here's a copy of the letter sent to Tony Hayward by the Committe On Energy and Commerce - it's pretty grim reading and highlights quite a few failures
256 Post contains links casinterest : So it apears a Federal Judge has lifited the 6-Month Moratorium http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/22/gul....html?video=true?video=true&hpt=T1 What I d
257 Dreadnought : Well, Last month a A330 crashed. Shall we ground all aircraft around the world until the investigation is complete? Or just the A330s? You only shut
258 casinterest : That's an apples to oranges comparison. The A330 at least has some pretty good test flying. Here we had multiple safeguards that all failed, and when
259 Dreadnought : And people have been drilling in deep water for many years as well. There are wells in other parts of the world 2 or 3 times deeper. Why assume all o
260 Baroque : And had a fair to better than fair reputation in Aus as an engineer. You could say he was unlucky with the Crash, and he was hardly R Crusoe in not f
261 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Several links to live feeds of the Gulf oil gushing disaster. An ecological tragedy. http://www.jtnog.org/ http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?...tego
262 Post contains images BMI727 : Because it is the trendy thing to do. Hopefully, this, like many trends, will pass.
263 Post contains links casinterest : They aren't, The Moratorium is on NEW wells. Better to stop now and see if things can be done better. Mind you, I agree that the US Government can't
264 Post contains links Baroque : Ummm. 2 times both for water depth and vertical drilled depth, but ?not three times for either. The critical thing with this well is that in deep wat
265 Post contains links speedygonzales : He has/had interests in a lot of oil-companies: http://climateprogress.org/2010/06/2...in-exxon-other-drilling-companies/
266 Dreadnought : The judge is an older gentleman, some 60 years old or so. He has some investments for his retirement which have, we all hope have grown over the year
267 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : A horror story in preparation with the tropical storm coming right into the Gulf of Mexico oil mess... Take a look at the storm live satellite feed ht
268 casinterest : Chances are the storm is currently predicted to be a strong one that hits along the northeasterm Mexico/"Southeastern Texas" coast. Models are still
269 Dreadnought : You can do that in a week. Stop drilling, get all your engineers together and ask them, "Are all our operations being done by the book? Is there anyw
270 casinterest : I say shut them down to suffer as much if not more than the people that are already suffering. In this case I have tons of friends whose lives are be
271 Dreadnought : Vengeance against people who have done nothing wrong apart from having found jobs in an industry where one company screwed up. So much for liberal co
272 Post contains images BMI727 : So, instead of having one industry's worth of people unemployed we should voluntarily add another? Also, did it ever occur to anyone besides me where
273 casinterest : This company makes tons in other drilling sites other than the Gulf. The whole industry needs to step back when the best answer they have for fixing
274 BMI727 : Oh, so it's okay for them to drill in other places like Alaska. Just as long as it isn't the Gulf. Oh they care about some people: Shareholders. Afte
275 Dreadnought : Why were they in deep water to begin with. Could it be that environmentalists have pushed them off of land-based sites and shallow waters? Well guess
276 Baroque : Very little to do with it. Mostly because the technology does exist to drill in these waters and the prospects for larger discoveries are greater tha
277 Post contains links qantas077 : http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2010/s2936304.htm telling story this one...
278 casinterest : They are in deep water because that is where the new finds are. Interesting thing about Oil is that it is a finite resource. Sure there may be some s
279 Post contains images okie : Most recent failures of BOP's, short of bad repair, have been because they have closed on a drill collar. The solution would be to space a second set
280 casinterest : That's not the point. Corporations are made up of people that do their best for the corporation, but in that capacity they usually start to ignore th
281 okie : Again you are talking about people, you mention it several times in one paragraph. I think Mao and Hitler and others through history got in big troub
282 casinterest : Why move on when the current practice is putting hundreds of thousands out of work, and it s polluting the food chain in the gulf? The moratorium is
283 Baroque : I would be rather amazed if this has not already been done as well as specifying the locations of drill collars more tightly. But while they can and
284 casinterest : I don't have to do this. The Supply is going to start going down going froward, so that will take care of itself There aren't enough new fields disco
285 Post contains images Baroque : That is true but if you look at projected production, it depends more and more on deep water discoveries. So it slows the rate of decline later, but
286 nighthawk : I read a rather interesting, and slightly worrying, article at work today regarding the BP situation. It was comments from an expert emailed to a blog
287 okie : That would require some kind of unknown x ray vision. The reason "top kill" did not work is because you only had two ways to get the drilling fluid i
288 okie : Well it appears from a Dow-Jones news-wire that all the major oil companies and drilling companies met with Salazar today and are pulling the 33 deep
289 Baroque : ??? The only thing I have seen on the sea bed is the riser. Some loss if drill string is almost probable, but where is it? The quick and the dead onc
290 Post contains links nighthawk : Here's the link to the article I mentioned in my previous post: http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/resear...bes-bp-monster-lurking-in-the-gulf
291 okie : If you follow the well design linked by Baroque then you would find that the design with 8 sets of successfully cemented casing would indicate that o
292 Post contains images Baroque : How helpful. Very constructive!!!
293 AGM100 : I am no expert .... but is the idea of actually caving in the well shaft a possibility ?. Could a sort of Bangalore type device be inserted down the s
294 Post contains links SA7700 : This thread will be locked for further contributions. Any posts added after the thread lock will be removed for housekeeping purposes only. Please fee
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