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Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham  
User currently onlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8220 posts, RR: 8
Posted (4 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 2784 times:

What is turning out to be a pretty slimy year for Tea Partiers is now getting worse:

Quote:
The bar was recalibrated downward again last week at a Tea Party Patriots rally in Greenville, S.C., by William Gheen, head of Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC).

"Barney Frank has been more honest and brave than you (referring to South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham). At least we know about Barney Frank, nobody's going to hold it over his head. Look, I'm a tolerant person. I don't care about your private life, Lindsey, but as our U.S. senator, I need to figure out why you're trying to sell out your own countrymen, I need to make sure you being gay isn't it."

Multiple links on news.google.com but the one that surprised me was

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/morris...let-a-d-bag-teabag-s_b_547713.html

Even the Huffington Post is pissed at the slime being thrown. To the point of having Morris Davis,Attorney and Former Chief Prosecutor for Guantanamo Military Commissions, write the column.

[Edited 2010-04-23 17:29:59 by srbmod]

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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

Lindsey Graham is gay?   


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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11576 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 1):
Lindsey Graham is gay?

So what if he is? Who cares? I always thought he is. I know the tea party people are hetero and believe everyone in power and in their movement is/should be hetero. What difference would it make if people knew? How exactly would that effect national security? In the article, the author said Graham served in the Air Force for 28 years. Good for him. Was this country less safe during that time because of his sexual orientation? Get over it.



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User currently offlineMoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2573 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Thread starter):
What is turning out to be a pretty slimy year for Tea Partiers is now getting worse:

It doesn't surprise me in the least. Who exactly do people think these TeaBaggers want "their country back from"? Old, white, angry, suburbanites are miffed "their America" of 1950 is gone. How awful it must be that they must treat us homos as equals, much less women, and people of color. Egad!


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39834 posts, RR: 74
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2567 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 2):
So what if he is?

His voting record is anti-gay.



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User currently onlinepgh234 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 795 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 3):
It doesn't surprise me in the least. Who exactly do people think these TeaBaggers want "their country back from"? Old, white, angry, suburbanites are miffed "their America" of 1950 is gone. How awful it must be that they must treat us homos as equals, much less women, and people of color. Egad!

Dear poor misguided souls...for every deep little redneck article that you find to justify your agenda and twisted thoughts on reality...I can find two articles about some leech abusing their endless government entitlement handouts, some racist black "leader," or the inevitable downfall of the US economy (or US government) as we know it due to complete fiscal incompetence.

You should all give yourselves a pat on the back for knowing how to use Google. There is a TON of stuff out there on them internets...   


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2549 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
His voting record is anti-gay.

So was Larry Craig's. Just saying...



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39834 posts, RR: 74
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 6):
So was Larry Craig's.

He wasn't gay. He just had a wide stance.
He said so on TV.  



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8124 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2498 times:

Quoting pgh234 (Reply 5):
Dear poor misguided souls...for every deep little redneck article that you find to justify your agenda and twisted thoughts on reality...I can find two articles about some leech abusing their endless government entitlement handouts, some racist black "leader," or the inevitable downfall of the US economy (or US government) as we know it due to complete fiscal incompetence.

Not sure what the deal is here, but you can't talk about these things like they're all dependent variables. There are just as many of us independent-minded voters who, like you, can't stand black leaders' posturing, endless entitlement spending, and gross debt inflation and bailout mania. All that said, we also can't stand the continued insistence on an American reality where the denial of individual freedoms, including who we have adult consensual relationships with, is legally enforced on the basis of purported "traditional values". One of the only legitimate roles of the government is ensuring the rights and freedoms of individuals. Those of us who support the gay cause from this perspective have no "agenda" other than defeating all of these tired notions that support the idea that it's OK to keep millions of our fellow citizens somehow apart from the rest of us.



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User currently onlinepgh234 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 795 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 8):
All that said, we also can't stand the continued insistence on an American reality where the denial of individual freedoms, including who we have adult consensual relationships with, is legally enforced on the basis of purported "traditional values".

For the first time in a while someone makes a decent and mature argument on this forum...congrats.

I just get irked when the government feels they have power over social issues too...which makes gay rights way at the bottom of my personal agenda of what the government needs to un-mess up. This issue does not affect me or anyone that I know...so I can certainly understand why I place less importance on this issue than seemingly most others on this forum.

It just upsets me that liberals can use their support of gay rights to justify hopping on the platform of imploding the US government and economy.


User currently onlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8220 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

Quoting pgh234 (Reply 5):
You should all give yourselves a pat on the back for knowing how to use Google.

I'm sure you were not having a dig at me for mentioning news.google.com  

I've mentioned it before when providing links because a news story, like, say, the new AZ law, will have hundreds of links. That gives you, the dear reader, access to different views on the same story.

In the same vein, I've mentioned thepaperboy.com in the past, which provides links to newspapers around the world. That means if there is a major story in, say, Hong Kong you can get a list of the newspapers in Hong Kong in order to get information at the local level.

But, from your comments I'm sure you were well aware of those facts, and so much more. My comments should, therefore, be left for average, normal people.


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11576 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

Quoting pgh234 (Reply 9):
It just upsets me that liberals can use their support of gay rights to justify hopping on the platform of imploding the US government and economy.

How, prey tell, did that happen?

Quoting pgh234 (Reply 5):
for every deep little redneck article that you find to justify your agenda and twisted thoughts on reality...I can find two articles about some leech abusing their endless government entitlement handouts, some racist black "leader," or the inevitable downfall of the US economy (or US government) as we know it due to complete fiscal incompetence.

You are talking about apples, the thread is about bananas (pun intended). What does one have to do with the other?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
Quoting seb146 (Reply 2):
So what if he is?

His voting record is anti-gay.

But, he is representing the state of South Carolina. Not a gay friendly state. It is sad that he puts party before country, but he was sent by the citizens of South Carolina. And, he is probably still in that mind-set where it is still very very bad to be out. Still, there are a lot of people who don't care what he does with consenting adults behind closed doors. I would even dare to say he would win re-election in his own state if he came out.

No, probably not. The tea partiers would run a smear campaign against him based soley on this one issue until he is defeated by one of their own. They would not even bring up any of his past voting for his constituants.

[Edited 2010-04-24 08:17:16 by srbmod]


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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8124 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Quoting pgh234 (Reply 9):
I just get irked when the government feels they have power over social issues too...which makes gay rights way at the bottom of my personal agenda of what the government needs to un-mess up

One way of looking at it is that like other civil rights battles of the past, gay rights have already been messed up for a long time. Many states still have laws on the books dictating what kind of sex consensual adults can have. That to me, is just absolutely no-no in a land of individual choice and liberty.

The only thing messed up is laws that already exist and/or new ones that serve a singular purpose of separating people or taking their rights away.



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2310 times:

The reference to him being gay was used in two ways, to be deragatory, but to also say that he was hiding it and the democratic party was using it as leverage (as in, we'll out you if you don't support ______). Just to clarify.

But I found the remarks by Gheen offensive as well, and completely uncalled for.

[Edited 2010-04-24 10:42:06 by srbmod]

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19513 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

Quoting pgh234 (Reply 5):
Dear poor misguided souls...for every deep little redneck article that you find to justify your agenda and twisted thoughts on reality...I can find two articles about some leech abusing their endless government entitlement handouts, some racist black "leader," or the inevitable downfall of the US economy (or US government) as we know it due to complete fiscal incompetence.

None of which excuses this behavior. You work to fix the above problems, not make them worse.

I am just as frustrated at the above as any Tea Partier, but I would think that my response to it is far more productive. Having a big, grass-roots tantrum doesn't accomplish anything.


User currently onlinepgh234 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 795 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 16):
None of which excuses this behavior. You work to fix the above problems, not make them worse.

I am just as frustrated at the above as any Tea Partier, but I would think that my response to it is far more productive. Having a big, grass-roots tantrum doesn't accomplish anything.

I do not disagree with you.

I just dont like the underlying premise and ideals of the Tea Party movement being distorted by something that should be unrelated (but, obviously, on some levels and in some minds, is not).


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39834 posts, RR: 74
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 11):
But, he is representing the state of South Carolina. Not a gay friendly state. It is sad that he puts party before country, but he was sent by the citizens of South Carolina. And, he is probably still in that mind-set where it is still very very bad to be out. Still, there are a lot of people who don't care what he does with consenting adults behind closed doors. I would even dare to say he would win re-election in his own state if he came out.

No, probably not. The tea partiers would run a smear campaign against him based soley on this one issue until he is defeated by one of their own. They would not even bring up any of his past voting for his constituants.

Well aware of that. That is why it's a big issue. It's so ironic isn't it?



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User currently onlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8220 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 11):
But, he is representing the state of South Carolina. Not a gay friendly state. It is sad that he puts party before country, but he was sent by the citizens of South Carolina. And, he is probably still in that mind-set where it is still very very bad to be out. Still, there are a lot of people who don't care what he does with consenting adults behind closed doors. I would even dare to say he would win re-election in his own state if he came out.

There is the assumption that he is gay? Simply because someone who obviously is against him says he's gay?

Wow!

The scary thing for me is how nasty political attacks have become over my lifetime.

I could care less if he is, or isn't. He's one of the Senators in DC that I respect a lot - for his (normally) reasoned judgement and intelligent comments.

Personally I hope that reasoned judgement prevails.


User currently offlinesearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 2133 times:

And to the topic at hand - is it coincidence that today Lindsay Graham announced that he is ceasing all cooperation with the current administration? It seems the TP folks (that's not banned, right?) have discovered the power of intimidation.

[Edited 2010-04-24 16:18:15]

[Edited 2010-04-24 16:40:15 by srbmod]


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21558 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 2091 times:

Quoting pgh234 (Reply 9):
It just upsets me that liberals can use their support of gay rights to justify hopping on the platform of imploding the US government and economy.

How are they doing that? The only people I hear tying gay rights to immigration is the tea party with the statement cited in the OP. Yes, liberals are likely to support both gay rights and immigration reform, but that in no way means that the two are connected.

Quoting pgh234 (Reply 15):
I just dont like the underlying premise and ideals of the Tea Party movement being distorted by something that should be unrelated (but, obviously, on some levels and in some minds, is not).

Again, it's the tea party that's doing the distortion here, by claiming that being gay would cause someone to favor immigration reform.

-Mir



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4489 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 2057 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 17):
The scary thing for me is how nasty political attacks have become over my lifetime.

Hm. John Adams called Thomas Jefferson a hermaphrodite...something about lacking both the firmness of a man and the sensitivity of a woman. And that was hopefully way before your time.



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User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Tears are flowing on this end.

Wow, the Huffington Post, lets not get too objective here. Notice how 4/5ths of the people posting on this thread are reliable liberals. Keep up the whining guys, it'll be laugher in November.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 11):

But, he is representing the state of South Carolina. Not a gay friendly state. It is sad that he puts party before country, but he was sent by the citizens of South Carolina.

North Dakota, a very conservative state, sends three Democrats to Washington, and passed a defense of marriage act. The Democrats are going to lose their house seat, and most likely, both Senate seats in North Dakota (most likely on a permanent basis). Why? They put party before the citizens of their state. Their citizens didn't want Obamacare, higher taxes, and all that the Obama/Pelosi/Reid agenda entailed, and yet Pomeroy, Conrad, and Dorgan marched in lockstep with Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. The citizens of North Dakota were willing to keep electing them because they brought home the ag pork, but they even said enough is enough.

And South Carolina Republicans are now saying enough is enough from Lindsey Graham. His support for cap-and-trade and amnesty is at odds with the vast majority of the GOP nationally and within the state. The Lindsey Graham-Charlie Crist wing of the GOP brought us John McCain, Barack Obama's victory, and now enough is enough. Pelosi and Obama couldn't be bothered to reach across the aisle, hell, they had to bribe members of their own party to pass Obamacare.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21558 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 2028 times:

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 21):
And South Carolina Republicans are now saying enough is enough from Lindsey Graham.

And more power to them if that's what they really want. But they look pretty stupid if they start bringing his supposed homosexuality into it. Can't you just not like someone's policies and leave it at that? Or do we have to have these sort of ridiculous personal attacks?

-Mir



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User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 22):
But they look pretty stupid if they start bringing his supposed homosexuality into it. Can't you just not like someone's policies and leave it at that? Or do we have to have these sort of ridiculous personal attacks?

Agree 100%. Especially because I think he's married.

However, let's not pretend that groups on the left haven't engaged in personal attacks. Also, I've gone to several Tea Party protests in DC, and think I can count on one hand the times I've heard a curse or personal attack from anyone.



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User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1933 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

People need to hear from the other side of the story. You know people are misinformed when the TEA Party is attacked when it was just an ALIPAC viewpoint at a TP gathering. So go after Gheen and the ALIPAC if you don't agree.

I've watched the video, and I agree with the route taken. History has seen politicians manipulated in exchange for keeping secrets a secret. The ALIPAC is trying to prevent that.

http://www.alipac.us/article-5161-thread-1-0.html


25 Post contains images OA412 : Right because the Republican Party has never, ever done such a thing. More constructive input from the right. Translation: You're either with us or a
26 Mir : If someone gets up on the stage at the RNC or DNC and makes some crazy comments, one assumes that they are representing the views of that party unles
27 Post contains images Ken777 : The Huff was noted because of my surprise of their very strong stance for a Conservative Senator in the article. I also mentioned news.google.com as
28 seb146 : Here is what I have noticed: A person will get on stage at an RNC event and make crazy comments. So-called "left-wing" commentators will say "Listen
29 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : Lindsey Graham isn't much of a conservative. And HuffPo isn't much of a source. You think this guy speaks for all Tea Partiers or South Carolina Repu
30 windy95 : If he was being Conservative the Tea Party would leave him alone. But his Cap and Scam and Shamnesty stance put him out of the mainstream with conser
31 AGM100 : Yep ... and they (We) will continue to go after him. You can not be conservative and vote for cap and trade. You can not be in the republican party an
32 Post contains links MD-90 : From the article: And from Hip-Pocket Politics: How To Become a Tack by Gary North: and Smearing Lindsey Graham as being gay if he's not is a sleazy l
33 Ken777 : I don't think there is any question that the Tea Party will bring in (down?) a lot of politicians this November. Palin is going to be going full swin
34 MoltenRock : LMFAO! "Cap and Trade" is a Republican idea to start with! Your sentiments show just how radically insane the right has become in Congress when they
35 Mir : As far as SC republicans go, I would be surprised if he did. As far as the tea party...well, it was one of their events, so in the absence of any off
36 MoltenRock : Which specific votes on legislation Sen. Lindsey Graham cast were/are you opposed to?
37 AGM100 : Your right ... its the old RINOS who are as responsible as the liberals for our debt..... Cap and Trade is not a idea of the right.. It is a liberal
38 MD-90 : For me: Voting yes on every pro-war piece of legislation he comes across and no on any legislation seeking an end to overseas wars. Plus he despises
39 Post contains links MoltenRock : Senior Reagan and Bush 1 administration officials were authors of the "cap and trade" idea / solution. It provides free market answers to environment
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