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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12181 posts, RR: 51
Posted (4 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 3666 times:

Stephen Hawking says Alien ETs do exists and we humans should avoid 'talking' to them. He thinks most Alien ETs will be minor spiecies, like microbes and simple animals. But he also thinks there could be some intellegent life out there and these we should avoid as it could be dangerous to us, and could plunder Earth for resourses.

For those who follow Star Trek, I guess he is talking about the Romulians and/or the Borg.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/space/article7107207.ece

But, Dr. Hawking could very well be mathmaticly correct in his assumption seeing we don't really know how big the universe is and there are at least 100 Billion galaxies, each containing millions of stars (suns) and some could very well have Earth like planets, or planets that are in what is considered the 'habitable zone'.

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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20342 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 3663 times:

Here's a trippier one.

If the universe is infinite in extent, then there must necessarily be an infinite number of exact copies of you in the Universe, even though most of these exact copies would be beyond the visible universe.

It's a mathematical certainty and one of the bizarre effects of dealing with "infinity," which is more than merely an absurdly large number.


User currently onlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2302 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 3661 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
But he also thinks there could be some intellegent life out there and these we should avoid as it could be dangerous to us, and could plunder Earth for resourses

We have no proof of any intelligent species in the Universe.

That said, it's likely that there is some life out there. We might not even recognize it if we see it. Anyway, I disagree with the premise that any intelligent life would be a threat to us. I doubt that any species so advanced to travel through the universe would exist if they would be a pillaging species. It just seems much less likely... They would have had many more possibilities to be destroyed (by themselves or by others).


User currently offlinephotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2824 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

I really do hope there's intelligent life somewhere out there in the universe. Because if the Human Race here on earth is the high-point of life in the universe, then that would be very sad. Surely there MUST be something better!

User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 2):
We have no proof of any intelligent species in the Universe.

...including our own world.

 
Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 2):
I doubt that any species so advanced to travel through the universe would exist if they would be a pillaging species.

Why not? It seems pretty clear cut within our own animal kingdom that the creatures with the means, be it big brains or strength, dominate other species any time they possibly can.


User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

For anyone to think that there is no intelligent life or any life for that matter is absolutely absurd.

Hundreds of billions of galaxies that we can see at this point with hundreds of billions of stars each. And no life? I don't think so.

So far we are 1 for 1. The odds look good!

I personally believe there is a lot of life and some are already here. And who is to say we are not descendants of other species. Anything is possible.

Anyway, one thing is certain, no way in hell we are the only intelligent life out there. I didn't need Hawking to tell me that.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7653 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 3562 times:

One thing I've never understood is that why does any sort of life form have to have the same life sustaining requirments our planet does? Seems to me that thats just an assumption on our part. For all we know, our environment could prove to be lethal to other forms of life.


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User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 3554 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 6):
One thing I've never understood is that why does any sort of life form have to have the same life sustaining requirments our planet does? Seems to me that thats just an assumption on our part. For all we know, our environment could prove to be lethal to other forms of life.

There are numerous self sustained ecosystems on the planet earth that do not meet any of the criteria for life. So your point is very valid.



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 6):
One thing I've never understood is that why does any sort of life form have to have the same life sustaining requirments our planet does? Seems to me that thats just an assumption on our part. For all we know, our environment could prove to be lethal to other forms of life.

I think for life to exist in the form we understand it, our basic human/animal requirements met by the Earth would need to be met by these aliens.

In my opinion, I believe there is life beyond our own planet. It's too mathematically probable. I hadn't thought about Doc's infinity comment, but it makes total sense.

I also believe that life may exist in forms that we cannot understand using our 5 senses. Who's to say that Seeing, Hearing, Touching, Smelling, and Tasting are the only way to understand life? There may be aliens sitting next to you right now.

Who knows?


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 3501 times:

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 2):
We have no proof of any intelligent species in the Universe.

That doesn't mean they don't exist. There has to be other intelligent life in the Universe. I agree with Hawking here..it may not turn out well for our species if we do make contact.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2869 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 3487 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
each containing millions of stars (suns)

Millions? You mean hundreds of billions of stars!

That's why I would be very disappointed if there wouldn't be at least one planet (out of the potential billions in the universe) with a bit of life, would it be in a bacterial form.



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2168 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):

If the universe is infinite in extent, then there must necessarily be an infinite number of exact copies of you in the Universe, even though most of these exact copies would be beyond the visible universe.

Correct   but fortunately, the universe isn't infinite, at least not the universe we see and live in.

Otherwise, an alien version of you would have just made a phonecall to his mother professing his undying love for her.  



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User currently offlineMoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 2):
We have no proof of any intelligent species in the Universe.

And yet billions of people on Earth believe in something equally "proofless", God/Allah/Joseph Smith/Venu/Et Al...


User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 3437 times:

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 2):
I doubt that any species so advanced to travel through the universe would exist if they would be a pillaging species. It just seems much less likely... They would have had many more possibilities to be destroyed (by themselves or by others).

In fairness, look at how humans have expanded their empires for thousands of years.



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11798 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 6):
One thing I've never understood is that why does any sort of life form have to have the same life sustaining requirments our planet does? Seems to me that thats just an assumption on our part. For all we know, our environment could prove to be lethal to other forms of life.

I have wondered the same thing for years. Scientists assume they are looking for carbon based life forms. But, with (as far as we know) infinite space and more stars and probably planets that we have not even seen, how do scientists not know there are other life forms based on anything else from iron to hydrogen to chemicals or metals we can not even comprehend? It staggers the imagination.

I like the passage from Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy about the population of the entire universe. It goes something like "the population of the universe: zero. There is an infinite amount of space but only a finite number of inhabited planets. Any number divided into infinity is so close to zero as makes no odds. So, any creatures you meet are the products of a deranged imagination."



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User currently offlineNoWorries From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 11):
Correct but fortunately, the universe isn't infinite, at least not the universe we see and live in.

I think the visible universe is something like 30 billion light years accross (15 in all directions from us). The estimate varies, but some put the size of the entire universe at something around 300 billion light years.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
If the universe is infinite in extent, then there must necessarily be an infinite number of exact copies of you in the Universe, even though most of these exact copies would be beyond the visible universe.

I don't think that is neccessarily true -- there are an infinite number of real numbers without duplicates.


User currently onlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2302 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 4):
...including our own world.

Aye, that was the meaning.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
If the universe is infinite

However, it seems that it is not infinite... Maybe there are infinite parallel universes though. Too bad we'll probably never find this out, and so the practical implications of such a multitude of worlds are... well, small.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 14):
how do scientists not know there are other life forms based on anything else from iron to hydrogen to chemicals or metals we can not even comprehend?

It has to do with chemistry. Yes, there could be nitrogen-based life forms, but since carbon is the simplest element that forms the most bonds, and hence the most complex molecules, it's most likely other life forms are carbon-based. Thus, it IS an assumption that other life would be carbon-based, but other bases would make life less complex, from a chemical point of view. Of course, that's all hand-waving, really.


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 3283 times:

I agree with all the points brought up by everybody.

However, I for one, am not convinced that the universe is really infinite. It may seem on our scale, but (yet again) it has been mathematically demonstrated that there's an end to it and not only that, but there's parallel universes as well. By nature, the Big Bang theory implies it is indeed not infinite. Of course, we need to know if that theory is indeed correct, hence why I'm anxious to see what discoveries the LHC will make   

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
Here's a trippier one.

To expand on the trippyness, if time travel were to were to ever be feasible, you'd basically be jumping around parallel universes. That solves the time travel paradox that says you couldn't possibly exist if you went back in time and killed your father/mother/grandparents etc.

Few things are trippier than quantum theory/string theory   


User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10338 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 3253 times:

In my own mind, I very much believe that there is life elsewhere in the universe. I don't necessarily believe we will find it; nor do I believe that we'd even necessarily be able to recognize/identify it if we did find it.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 14):
I like the passage from Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy about the population of the entire universe. It goes something like "the population of the universe: zero. There is an infinite amount of space but only a finite number of inhabited planets. Any number divided into infinity is so close to zero as makes no odds. So, any creatures you meet are the products of a deranged imagination."
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy series has a lot of very funny observations about the universe. They're slapstick-funny on the surface, but a lot of them are somewhat thought-provoking as well.

Course, this one is just funny:

The story so far:
In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.



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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 3251 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
then there must necessarily be an infinite number of exact copies of you in the Universe, even though most of these exact copies would be beyond the visible universe.

This must explain why I keep losing socks.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8289 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

Quoting flanker (Reply 5):

I personally believe there is a lot of life and some are already here. And who is to say we are not descendants of other species. Anything is possible.

Uh oh - are you promoting the ancient astronauts theory? Getting a little X-Files there, no? I'm sure there's a rational explanation for all the ancient civilizations that made paintings of their gods in funny costumes descending from the sky.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_astronauts



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User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 9 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 20):
are you promoting the ancient astronauts theory?

I am saying that its just as possible as anything else. There is nothing absurd about it and it makes quite a bit of sense.

It does not contradict with my faith or my belief in God.

Not to get off topic, the History Channel had a great program out based on Von Danikens "Chariot of the Gods".

I watched it last year and it was really interesting whatever your views are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPfGhgFbCqo



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User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 9 hours ago) and read 3143 times:

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 13):

In fairness, look at how humans have expanded their empires for thousands of years.

I agree with you. I have no doubt that if we discovered another planet with desirable resources, and a defenceless population, we would take it from them without barely a second thought!


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 3047 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 20):
Uh oh - are you promoting the ancient astronauts theory? Getting a little X-Files there, no?

That's not necessarily what he's referring to. Panspermia is another popular theory - the idea that the initial "seeds" of life on Earth were brought by a comet or other projectile from another planet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8960 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 6 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

Quoting photopilot (Reply 3):
I really do hope there's intelligent life somewhere out there in the universe.

Me too, 'cause there certainly ain't none here...



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25 flanker : LOL....!! Great post man!!
26 Post contains images SmithAir747 : Why look out there? We are already here among you humans...so watch your backs! SmithAir747
27 Post contains images Klaus : Or, more likely, Ferengi (greedy, wealth-obsessed merchants and businessmen). Evolution selects for survival in competition for resources. The tricky
28 Slider : Exactly right. Hawking going out on a limb is hardly "science." His entire position is like guessing at the lottery. Certainly, he has a chance of be
29 Post contains images DocLightning : Of course there isn't. You're in the middle of a Tea Party rally!
30 francoflier : Yup, truth is, no one knows yet, and chances are no one will know in our lifetime. I watched an interesting interview on BBC the other day on the sub
31 Klaus : Hawking has been working in cosmology for years, among other fields. So he's not quite just an average joe in these matters. And, of course, he has b
32 NoWorries : In a sense it doesn't matter whether or not we are actively broadcasting with contact in mind. We've been pumping radio waves of one form or another i
33 Klaus : As far as I've heard about more recent research that is not quite as certain as one might think. On very, very long distances our radio signals are "
34 Aaron747 : I think we haven't a clue what's out there and can't say one way or another. There may be intelligences out there with far better understanding of th
35 Post contains images Airport : This I very much disagree with. I think our knowledge of science is growing exponentially. It's almost unfathomable to think of all the new things we
36 NoWorries : Yep -- that's why I qualified my remark with "nearby" -- they'll have to be close to pick up any radio signals -- intenttional or incidental. It's mu
37 francoflier : True. As I said, little is known on the actual circumstances of the appearance of life on Earth, so I didn't agree with this scientist speculating on
38 Post contains images Airport : I just wish the United States was far more interested in space exploration than it is. Apart from the fact that there is so much to discover, so much
39 MadameConcorde : The Aliens who may have visited us have a technology far more advanced than ours. The closest star is Alpha Centauri, 4.37 light years from earth. At
40 NoWorries : Yes, currently, we certainly understand the physics of how to do this -- but the technology is well beyond us. Whether or not there are any aliens in
41 GDB : Several science writers have been publishing works musing on the total lack of any proof of ET's. Consider, the Earth is in the right orbit, of a stab
42 MadameConcorde : Nothing conceivable by humans can approach traveling at the speed of light. There are probably billions of planets/stars with intelligent life on them
43 Post contains images Klaus : We can judge that at the earliest when everything conceivable by humans will actually have been conceived, but we're still very far removed from that
44 KC135TopBoom : Humans invented lasers, that travel at the speed of light. Some scientists believe that space/time can 'warp' as in Star Trek, and 'worm holes' may a
45 Post contains images EA772LR : Yep . The conditions which have led to life as we know it on Earth are more rare than common for sure, but with the vastness of the 'known' universe,
46 Post contains images Birdwatching : I never understood that bit of The Hitchhiker's Guide. Back when I read that part I thought it was an error in the book of some sort. There is an inf
47 NoWorries : Certainly. Faster than light travel is very possible by the physics that we know today -- it does require lots of energy and the ability to survive/d
48 EA772LR : I love physics! I think the only way to travel any meaningful distance in space is to create 'black holes' or rips in the space/time fabric. How? I d
49 ER757 : Here's another "what if." What if we are the most advanced species in the universe? Unlikely to be sure but not impossible. If that is the case, then
50 Post contains images comorin : Hollywood assures us that all extraterrestrials will either be insufferably cute, or learn all about The Power of Love from Humans, so breathe easy, g
51 Post contains images Fly2HMO : So to take things a bit further: lets assume some ET life form, similar to humans, "visits" us. What would mankind's reaction be? I think if it's a li
52 Klaus : For a perspective readjustment I recommend (among others): "War of the Worlds", "The Thing", "Alien", "Predator", "Invasion of the Body Snatchers", "
53 Post contains links Yellowstone : Carl Sagan on the Drake Equation, the equation that calculates how many extraterrestrial civilizations there are that we might one day contact: http:/
54 Post contains images ER757 : You think you had a lot of those after season 1, you should try now. I think the producers are just messing with us now. In Hollywood sci-fi epic ter
55 Post contains links and images Fly2HMO : That's one thing that worries me. There's already enough cults and idiotic religions worshiping green little creatures, and those people would most d
56 comorin : Yes, it's the Culture Shock that Arthur C. Clarke talks about. ET intelligence will make us lose our mojo to thrive and we will die off as a species.
57 Klaus : "Alien vs. Predator" is a prequel to the "Alien" movies. I'm not sure where the upcoming new "Predator" fits in, exactly...
58 n229nw : "I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords" (Kent Brockman)[Edited 2010-04-26 19:16:09]
59 wn700driver : Ok, this is too much not to weigh in on... As someone who has made many hundreds of dollars writing about this, I have a few theories. . . First off,
60 JCS17 : Of course there is, Scientology told us so. Xenu is out there. I'm just waiting for Tom Cruise's resurrection before I strap on my Nikes and drink the
61 NoWorries : General relativity allows for black holes and worm holes -- Einstein didn't think either would ever be found. Well, black holes have been found, but
62 Post contains images EA772LR : Great post. It's kind of depressing to think we're 'stuck' (for now) on this side of the universe, however, our 'little place' here in this part of t
63 sprout5199 : Given the size of the universe, it would be shocking if there was life, and even more shocking that there was none. Dan in Jupiter
64 DocLightning : You are describing relativistic spaceflight, not faster-than-light spaceflight. To clarify, a few methods by which a starship could exceed the speed
65 NoWorries : From the perspective of someone watching the spaceship, the realtive velocity of the spaceship never exceeds the speed of light. From the perspective
66 EA772LR : Can you explain? The person on the spaceship will be affected as if they were traveling faster than the speed of light or were they actually travelin
67 Post contains images Fly2HMO : Very interesting post. Raises a lot of good points.
68 EA772LR : Never minding the things in Avatar that don't 'mesh', so to speak, (like the relative proximity to that super giant gas planet, yet being close enoug
69 Post contains images NoWorries : I duno if I can explain -- if Einstein were here, maybe he could This could be a long post ... (or not ) In terms of relative velocity, no one will e
70 Post contains images EA772LR : Very interesting stuff. Thanks for the (not so long) post. I could bury myself in this stuff for lifetime and still not be tired of it.
71 NoWorries : There's a nice little book "General Relativity from A to B" that lays the basic groundwork -- it's kindofa tedious read given it doesn't cover all th
72 Post contains images wn700driver : Nope. The orbital velocity that the spaceshuttle "travels" at isn't nearly enough to overcome the sun's gravity. It is slower than the solar system's
73 DocLightning : That is incorrect according to the Theory of Relativity. According to Einstein, all observers, no matter what relative velocity, will measure a beam
74 NoWorries : I'm not sure what you're trying to say here -- everything that I've said about "relative velocity" is correct and consistent with what you've just sa
75 Slider : What risk? That they won’t like the Beatles or Chuck Berry? LOL Good post, though. Agreed.
76 Post contains links Yellowstone : NoWorries is right, Doc - proper velocity (in a relativistic sense) is determined by dividing the distance measured by a stationary observer by the t
77 NoWorries : Okay guys, how does this sound? Instead of saying "faster than light," which in the strictest technical sense might be the wrong way to say it, maybe
78 Klaus : I guess we could live with that – the much more realistic risk is that an encounter might resemble the one between the native americans and the eur
79 Post contains images GerbenYYZ : It's impossible to predict our technological advances over the next few hundred years. If you went back to the year 1800 and explained how you could s
80 dc9northwest : What Yellowstone is saying is right. When you measure velocities from two objects, and add them, you can get a velocity higher than c. If it's just a
81 wn700driver : Essentially, I agree with this. But, there are some things that require more than mere refinement to accomplish. IMHO, things like Cellular Phones an
82 HAWK21M : What can't it be than Ailiens do not need Water/Oxygen to survive........Rather than We looking for these sources on other planets.
83 NoWorries : This is a great point. Sometimes progress in technology (the application of knowledge) is confused with progress in knowledge. I also believe that th
84 babybus : I like the way it issuggested that if he says there may be aliens, then maybe it could possibly be true. He doesn't know. I don't know. He can guess.
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