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There's Never Been A Marine As US President.  
User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5501 posts, RR: 13
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7562 times:

I'm almost 100 % positive we've never had a US President that served in the Marine corps. Please let me know if I'm correct and why have we never had a US Marine as President?

[Edited 2010-04-26 02:06:29]

[Edited 2010-04-26 02:09:13]


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User currently offlineswiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7516 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
why have we never had a US Marine as President?

Because one has never been voted in...?


User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2872 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7505 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
why have we never had a US Marine as President?

No explanation... there just hasn't been a marine president. There are only 44 presidents to date, and the chance of one of them being a marine is pretty low.


User currently offlinedragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7471 times:

We are too busy defending the country, we don't have time to run the damn thing too!!


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User currently offlineGatorFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7470 times:

Marines are about action. The Presidency is about talk.

User currently offlinedragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7448 times:

And out of the 44 presidents 15 of them did not serve in the military at all.

John Adams
John Quincy Adams
Martin Van Buren
James Polk
Grover Cleveland
Herbert Hoover
Calvin Coolidge
Warren G Harding
Franklin D Roosevelt
Abraham Lincoln
James Buchanan
Bill Clinton
Barack Obama
Woodrow Wilson
William Howard Taft

[Edited 2010-04-26 03:33:19]


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User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 7317 times:

I believe that one sailor has been a President, I believe LBJ was in the Navy during WW2 and was decorated in a dubious fashion for just being the theater. Of course many solidiers have been President such as Washington,Grant, and Eisenhower


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User currently offlineRonglimeng From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 626 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 7287 times:

The only real military men that come to mind when I think of US presidents would be Ulysses Grant, Dwight Eisenhower, and Andrew Jackson, all career army generals. All the other presidents with military experience were just short term or hostilities only.

As far as US Marines go, wouldn't other branches of the American armed forces consider that ...well, a member of the USMC would be the least likely to... let's say... win a Nobel Prize?


User currently offlinePacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 7287 times:

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 6):
I believe that one sailor has been a President, I believe LBJ was in the Navy during WW2 and was decorated in a dubious fashion for just being the theater.

Other former Navy members who became president:

John Kennedy
Jimmy Carter


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7801 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 7249 times:

Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 7):
The only real military men that come to mind when I think of US presidents would be Ulysses Grant, Dwight Eisenhower, and Andrew Jackson, all career army generals. All the other presidents with military experience were just short term or hostilities only.

Add George Washington to that list. Colonel in the Virginia militia and General of the Continental Army prior to becoming to first US President. That said the three that you listed aren't really among the most successful of US Presidents. With U.S. Grant being among the worst President's. I think Ike was fairly average and generally helped, after the end of the Korean War, by the general prosperity of the 1950s. Jackson generally benefited from having some astute political advisers to back up his populist bluster.

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 8):
Other former Navy members who became president:

John Kennedy
Jimmy Carter

Add Gerald Ford and George HW Bush to that list as well. Both served in WWII as naval officers.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20186 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 7198 times:

Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 7):
The only real military men that come to mind when I think of US presidents would be Ulysses Grant, Dwight Eisenhower, and Andrew Jackson, all career army generals.

And George Washington is chopped liver?

Either way, while I appreciate the sentiment that the CIC might want to have military experience under his belt, a good CIC will be willing to listen to his military advisors (which Obama does). The skill set required for the job description of "Soldier/Sailor/Marine/Airman" is very different from the skill set required for the job of President.


User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 7140 times:

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 8):
Other former Navy members who became president:

John Kennedy
Jimmy Carter
Quoting DesertJets (Reply 9):
Add Gerald Ford and George HW Bush to that list as well. Both served in WWII as naval officers.

My mistake, also forgot to mention Nixon who was a naval officer in WW2



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 7114 times:

Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 7):
The only real military men that come to mind when I think of US presidents would be Ulysses Grant, Dwight Eisenhower, and Andrew Jackson, all career army generals.

You left out Washington, sir. That man is a continued hero to all here in the U.S. He went through more than most Presidents have gone through to date.



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User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 7110 times:

Lets retry this thread as any Flag rank officers depending on service who have been President. I do not think any USAF Flag officers were President even though GWB was a Capt in the TXANG. Barry Goldwater and Curtis Lemay both USAF Generals did run for the office though. Back in the 30's there was a Marine General who had the distintion of being awarded the MOH twice Smedley Butler who was approached by business types to over throw the FDR administration.


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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8414 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 7109 times:

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 11):
also forgot to mention Nixon who was a naval officer in WW2

The ironic part of Nixon serving in the Navy was that it was probably one of the reasons why he became friends with JFK while they were both in the Senate.


User currently offlineAeroflot001 From Argentina, joined Oct 2009, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 7077 times:

Interestingly enough a friend of mine from school who is in a training program who wants to become a marine and I have no doubt that with his commitment he will get there has no interest in becoming the POTUS at all, when I asked him he said he just do sent want to be a POTUS.

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7801 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 7056 times:

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 13):
Lets retry this thread as any Flag rank officers depending on service who have been President.

In the modern era, with the exception of Eisenhower there have been no US Presidents that were of a flag rank in the US Military. Nixon made it to Lt. Commander. Still everyone else that served and was an officer was never more than a junior officer in rank. Theodore Roosevelt was a Colonel in the Spanish-American War, but he was initially commissioned as a Lt. Col. Before TR several Presidents served as officers in the Civil War -- but then since many of them were well connected politically they were commissioned at much higher ranks. And not all served in combat roles.

Only other President that I can recall is Zachary Taylor who was a combat general in the Mexican-American War. He had been a career solider prior to entering office in 1849.

So the list is now (flag officers):


George Washington
Andrew Jackson
Zachary Taylor
U.S. Grant
Dwight D. Eisenhower



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5501 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 7014 times:

Quoting Elite (Reply 2):
No explanation... there just hasn't been a marine president. There are only 44 presidents to date, and the chance of one of them being a marine is pretty low.

Thank you for the replys. I was referring to a POTUS who served in the Marines/armed services not necessarily being like a Grant or Eisenhower who were just as known for their military service as well as POTUS.

Quoting dragon6172 (Reply 3):
We are too busy defending the country, we don't have time to run the damn thing too!!

A heartfelt thank you and appreciation from myself and I can safely say 99.9% of the A Net family.

The men and women who are Marines I know are very balanced responsible and personable folk. Three qualities that would serve our nation well. I percieve a Marine POTUS would be more than likely to make sure he/she is in control of their administration. As compared to say W or Carter who lost control in different manners. Carter with the nation and the world and W letting Dick Chaney and his dad's posse running the show.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):

Either way, while I appreciate the sentiment that the CIC might want to have military experience under his belt, a good CIC will be willing to listen to his military advisors (which Obama does). The skill set required for the job description of "Soldier/Sailor/Marine/Airman" is very different from the skill set required for the job of President.

  

And while on this thread about the POTUS was their ever a POTUS who's routes were an impoverished urban childhood?
A lot of our former POTUS such as HST, LBJ, Abe, Garfield to name a few were from rural poverty.



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User currently onlineKAUST From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 102 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 7001 times:

Actually there might have been a USMC President, if you count James Whitmore in the "Independence Day" universe.  

Not sure if he was Navy or USMC but he did fly a Hornet and was a war hero. And of course, in a starker reality, John Glenn ran, but did not make the cut.



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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6361 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 6976 times:

Quoting KAUST (Reply 18):
Actually there might have been a USMC President, if you count James Whitmore in the "Independence Day" universe.

You mean Thomas Whitmore? I think that was Bill Pullman's name in the movie.

I thought he was ex-USAF in the movie?


User currently offline747srule From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 6921 times:

You can't handle the truth!!!!


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User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 12 hours ago) and read 6879 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 12):
You left out Washington, sir. That man is a continued hero to all here in the U.S. He went through more than most Presidents have gone through to date.

As the first POTUS he had to do more than run for the election just as beating the worlds foremost military superpower and survive the traitors noose if he had failed. Then his presidentcy was the standard which all others were based.



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 12 hours ago) and read 6849 times:

Reagan was Army Air Corps during WWII.... 1st Motion Picture Unit


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 6726 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 19):
You mean Thomas Whitmore? I think that was Bill Pullman's name in the movie.

Yep, you're right.

Quoting sw733 (Reply 19):
I thought he was ex-USAF in the movie?

He was.....



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User currently offlineGST From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 938 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 5 hours ago) and read 6702 times:

You had a fictional ex marine president, Jack Ryan from the Tom Clancy books   

25 dragon6172 : You meant former Marine of course.... Another version of this question... has there ever been a POTUS who served in the enlisted ranks of any branch?
26 Post contains links rwessel : James Buchanan was a private in the War of 1812. ed: And a little poking around found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...States_Presidents_
27 AirframeAS : Is that the only rank he served?
28 Boeing1970 : For what it's worth. Marines are too busy getting shit done to be wasting their time becoming the ultimate kiss ass.
29 rwessel : I believe so.
30 Post contains links MoltenRock : LOL! Gotta love Reagan's "hey I'll stay in Hollywood and support the troops that way" schtick eh? Kind of like Elvis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fi
31 Post contains links Boeing1970 : Military service After completing fourteen home-study Army Extension Courses, Reagan enlisted in the Army Enlisted Reserve[27] on April 29, 1937, as
32 Post contains images MoltenRock : LOL! Ohhhhhh, a real military guy there! That's the difference between a progressive and a conservative, recognizing that people like Max Cleland and
33 Boeing1970 : You made a mockery of the military service of the greatest President in a generation. While he could not go over seas for medical reasons, he could h
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