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Toxic Australia: Jellyfish And Blue-Ring Octopus  
User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2670 posts, RR: 3
Posted (4 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 7807 times:

It seem that an 10-year-old girl has survived a sting from a box jellyfish; which the herewith article says is the world's most venomous creature. Except, I thought that title was held by the blue-ringed octopus.

In any case, it puts me off wanting to ever visit Australia.   

[Edited 2010-04-27 11:19:15]


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User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1658 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 7796 times:



Yup...


User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 7736 times:

Quoting Airstud (Thread starter):
In any case, it puts me off wanting to ever visit Australia.   

Don't be such a woos !  

i) Australia is roughly the same size as continental United States
ii) Most of the population live in 5 major cities on Coast
iii) 80% of the really toxic creatures are in the Top End and Tropical North
iv) This is the equivalent distance from most cities as Texas to Central Canada or Paris to North of Moscow
v) Do you lie awake at night in the US worrying about Rattlesnakes and Blackwidow spiders?
vi) If you swim in the southern half of Australia you will not come across the majority of these creatures.
vii) Therefore, you are more likely to be abducted by aliens and subjected to a live organ transplant that attacked by most of these creatures on a visit to Australia, unless, like some visitors, you insist on going to extremes and ignoring all warnings an signs in the Top End.

On the above score, I should avoid the US because of gun crime, but I don't.....



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User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2670 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 7699 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 2):
Quoting Airstud (Thread starter):
In any case, it puts me off wanting to ever visit Australia.

Don't be such a wuss !

Don't be such a literalist.

In any case, I'm still wondering which creature is more venomous - the box jellyfish or the blue-ringed octopusopolis.



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User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2592 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 7688 times:

I always wondered why they had those large swimming pools by such beautiful beaches.

 


User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 7673 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 3):
In any case, I'm still wondering which creature is more venomous - the box jellyfish or the blue-ringed octopusopolis.

I've seen several sources say that the Box Jellyfish is the world's most venomous animal, followed by, in no particular order: Taipan (most venomous snake), Blue Ringed Octopus and Stonefish.



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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 7661 times:

Meh..you get used to these things here. Just yesterday I had to whack a huge spider that was crawling over my bed...one quick whack with a rolled newspaper was all it took.


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User currently offlinegreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3084 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 7628 times:

Yah know when it comes to worlds most deadly creatures does it really matter if it is number one on the list or number 10?


GS



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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 965 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 7588 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 5):
I've seen several sources say that the Box Jellyfish is the world's most venomous animal, followed by, in no particular order: Taipan (most venomous snake), Blue Ringed Octopus and Stonefish.

I saw my first stonefish in the wild a few weeks ago - looking around rock pools in a well populated seaside area we saw some small fish, and suddenly there was a splash and nothing to be seen. Looking carefully there was a very well camouflaged Stonefish sitting there.

As for the spider picture above - it's a Huntsman, and they're very common. Their bite is annoying but not dangerous (and I haven't heard of anyone being bitten) - more people are injured as a result of car accidents caused by panic when one walks across their windscreen.

And Australia isn't so scary - we don't have bears living in our forests!


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2874 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 7579 times:

This might help you determine which is what !!

http://www.barrierreefaustralia.com/...barrier-reef/blueringedoctopus.htm


Box jelly fish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_jellyfish



It's all part of living in the best country in the world. IMHO of course  



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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 965 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 7565 times:

And don't forget the irukanji of course - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irukandji_jellyfish

There are good reasons not to swim in northern Oz coastal waters in summer......


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7584 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7468 times:

Lol. I would love to recommend to all those people interested in Australiana reading Bill Bryson's "In a Sunburned Country". It is fantastic. Love his thoughts on the box jellyfish, spiders, snakes, etcetera. I guess some Australians might feel a bit annoyed by this book, but for anyone thinking about visiting the country, it is a fantastic book.


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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 965 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7451 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 11):
I guess some Australians might feel a bit annoyed by this book, but for anyone thinking about visiting the country, it is a fantastic book.

Aussies love Bill Bryson - he goes straight to the top of our bestseller with his books, that one included. It's good to have fun poked at you!  

Although the people of Canberra didn't like him much......


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 39
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7448 times:

And you forgot all the things on land! The Common Brown snake, Taipan.. Then you head into the spiders. In the few trips to Australia, I've only seen a few biggish spiders (most outside) and the biggest one which was the size of my hand wasn't even that harmful. Sydney gets swarms of non-venomous jellyfish over the summer which feel really weird to swim through but it's better than having swarms of box jellyfish. But basically if you stick to the land and stick to the cities, there's less chance of you encountering these things.


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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 965 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7440 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):
Sydney gets swarms of non-venomous jellyfish over the summer which feel really weird to swim through but it's better than having swarms of box jellyfish.

I thought you were talking about bluebottles (Portugese Man O' War) at first - they're defintiely not fun to swim through, although unlikely to be fatal.....


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5279 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7438 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 6):
Just yesterday I had to whack a huge spider that was crawling over my bed

Oh lord.    I'm sort of an arachnophobe, so something like that would have freaked me out big time.

By the way, can anyone tell me the name of that horribly poisonous spider that is native to Australia? It's name escapes me at the moment.



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 39
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7429 times:

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 14):
I thought you were talking about bluebottles (Portugese Man O' War) at first

I didn't realise they were the same thing although they looked similar! Nope, they were the clear round variety. If I had seen a bluebottle, there would have been no way I would have jumped into the water (from a yacht). I think I suffer from jellyphobia.. Either that or I feared a shark was going to come after me.. Lucky we don't get many down here in NZ.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 15):
By the way, can anyone tell me the name of that horribly poisonous spider that is native to Australia? It's name escapes me at the moment.

There are a few but the main ones are probably the Redback and the funnelweb.



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5279 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7427 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 16):
There are a few but the main ones are probably the Redback and the funnelweb.

A few? Yikes. LOL. Yes the funnelweb is the one I was thinking of. Thanks!



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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 965 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7426 times:

The Sydney Funnel-web is the most poisonous - but no fatal bites have occured since antivenom was developed in 1981. Redbacks are far more common (I don't think we've got any in the yard at the moment) but, again, antivenom means no deaths.

User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2670 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7332 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 2):
v) Do you lie awake at night in the US worrying about Rattlesnakes and Blackwidow spiders?

No, I generally do not lie awake worrying about rattlers and black widows, because I live in an urban area where they are not found.

If I _were_ out in the Mojave or the Sonora Desert, then of course I _would_ be worrying about them!

Just as if I _were_ to ever visit the Barrier Reef, I'd worry about these poisonous little a-holes...



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User currently onlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3299 posts, RR: 45
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7292 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 5):
Taipan (most venomous snake)

As mentioned, the Common Brown Snake is the most venomous snake in the world. A fun little tidbit, at least according to a book I read. Of the 9 most venomous snakes in the world, exactly 9 of them occur in Australia! How's that for fun!

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 14):
I thought you were talking about bluebottles (Portugese Man O' War) at first - they're defintiely not fun to swim through,

My friend got stung by a blue bottle up here on Lizard Island a few weeks ago. Lots of pain for about an hour, but after that, it was just a cool battle wound.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 16):
I didn't realise they were the same thing although they looked similar!

They're not the same thing, but they're related. They're both colonial animals. Portuguese Man-O-Wars are often massive, while blue bottles are quite small.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 965 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7286 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 20):
Lots of pain for about an hour, but after that, it was just a cool battle wound.

Not quite so cool when you've copped the stinger directly across your mouth, including hittign your tongue...  

I suppose any country's scary, but I've lived in Oz all my life, swum in the ocean, walked and camped in the bush and I'm still alive. An interesting thing is that, although our snakes are very venomous, they're either scared of people or live well away from most population centres, so they're technically not very dealy to humans i.e. few people are killed by their bites. That doesn't mean I enjoy encountering snakes whilst walking.

Crocodiles do freak me out a bit when I'm up north - have you ever seen those things run for food in real life?


User currently offlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3958 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7211 times:

I lived in Aussie for some 8 years in the 90s and have made numerous before and since and never once ran across any of the above creatures (at least not by chance). Bottom line, no place is 100% safe and Aussie is safer than most. Most people who have encountered these animals, resulting in injury or death, usually did so out of ignorance and took no precautions. These animals are not out to stalk human prey, most will flee in the opposite direction if given a chance.

I live in Texas, and aside from some venomous snakes (Rattlesnakes, Cottonmouths and Copperheads) we now have to be concerned about Africanized Killer Bees, there have been several attacks resulting in a few fatalities. It is just a matter of taking some precautions and knowing what is out there and being prepared.

Aussie is a great place to visit, don't let a few "creepy-crawleys" keep you away

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 20):
As mentioned, the Common Brown Snake is the most venomous snake in the world. A fun little tidbit, at least according to a book I read. Of the 9 most venomous snakes in the world, exactly 9 of them occur in Australia! How's that for fun!

Its my understanding that the Olive Sea Snake is the world's most venomous, with the Fierce snake (Inland Taipan) as the most venomous land snake.


Thomas



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User currently offline747m8te From Australia, joined Aug 2008, 441 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7122 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 22):
Its my understanding that the Olive Sea Snake is the world's most venomous, with the Fierce snake (Inland Taipan) as the most venomous land snake.

The Taipan is supposedly more venomous then the common brown snake, but I heard the brown snake injects a larger amount of venom....which makes it the more deadly snake  

These creatures here don't bother me...as a kid i grew up in the country in Tasmania, and we had tiger snakes around our house all the time, had one living outside my bedroom window for a while, even had them in the wall cavity of our house! I've been in the bush and had them rare up and hiss at me....but hey....i was the silly one about to tread on them while they were lying on the road in the sun...

Worked for a while in karratha in northern W.A. went swimming in the waters up there....there were stone fish around but didn't put me off swimming....just had to be careful when you put your feet down...

Now I live in Brisbane in Queensland...and sure the waters up here (especially further north) you have to be careful of the jellies....but swim at the patrolled beaches...some even have nets... and there is no worry!

Sure these creatures are their, and they CAN be dangerous...but the only time I hear of people getting bitten by snakes or spiders are the ones who go and try and attack them...



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 39
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7049 times:

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 23):
some even have nets... and there is no worry!

But the box jellyfish can get through these nets right? And I guess the nets are also there for sharks..



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
25 thomasphoto60 : Wasn't a much smaller species of Box Jellyfish recently discovered that are able to penetrate those nets? Thomas
26 aerorobnz : It's not the animals that stop me going to Australia, it's the Australians...:-P (friendly kiwi jab in the ribs)
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