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F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona  
User currently offlineStealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5611 posts, RR: 45
Posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3522 times:
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As the Spanish Grand Prix is just 5 days a way it seems time to move on from Shanghai.

Little has happened in the F1 universe in the last couple of weeks, perhaps the stress of finding their way home during an airline shutdown has affected the protagonists.

Mercedes hope a longer wheelbase will help Schumi with his times, some consider his problem is slower corners so how a longer wheelbase helps there???

Massa and Alonso have been putting on friendly faces but I doubt that Alonso should expect a Christmas card from Felipe.


Looking forward to the weekend.

C

[Edited 2010-05-04 02:30:35]


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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

Quoting Stealthz (Thread starter):
Mercedes hope a longer wheelbase will help Schumi with his times, some consider his problem is slower corners so how a longer wheelbase helps there???

Personally I think the problem is not mainly the car, but the one who is driving it. Schumi is however very careful when predicting that the upgrades would make that big of a difference. Rosberg seem to not be in need of any, but if they work in his advantage we will see him even more on the podium.

Quoting Stealthz (Thread starter):
Massa and Alonso have been putting on friendly faces but I doubt that Alonso should expect a Christmas card from Felipe.

haha......this was more or less expected, right? I don't think anyone here will argue against it.
However, Massa is again up against a WDC holder as team mate, and if he's not able to beat him on the track, lets wine like a bit#h. And yeah, Alonso is good at that as well, but he is in my mind the stronger of the two.
Sorry Massa fans but I would not mind if Kubica took over his seat next year.

It's a bit like the first race of the season again as most teams are upgrading their cars.

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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8435 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 1):
It's a bit like the first race of the season again as most teams are upgrading their cars.

Except only one Virgin car will have the fuel to make the distance.


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

Quoting bill142 (Reply 2):
Except only one Virgin car will have the fuel to make the distance.

So if we see the other car head in to town during the race, it's simply to top it up at the nearest gas station. 

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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3429 times:
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I'd tip RBR and Ferrari. I think McLaren Mercedes will have achieved another leap, but not enough to win fair and square on the dry.

I'm not too optimistic regarding Mercedes car's new wheelbase. They lack of tests...



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

Question: I read that Fisichella tested new components on his car for their new F duct system. How are they allowed to do that?

User currently offlinecodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3426 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 1):
It's a bit like the first race of the season again as most teams are upgrading their cars.

I have similar thoughts, only this time everybody knows more or less about how the rules are interpreted and can introduce like solutions.

Anyways Alonso will be looking to impress his home crowd. Most likely no rain this race.
I'd like a good finish for Robert and Button. The rest ? Don't really care  

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlineStealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5611 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3405 times:
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Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 5):
How are they allowed to do that?
Quoting Autosport:
Test driver Giancarlo Fisichella tried out the latest iteration of Ferrari's blown rear wing during an aerodynamic test at Vairano last week, and the team is happy enough to keep pushing on with its development.
Quoting 2010 F1 Sporting Regulations:
22) TRACK AND WIND TUNNEL TESTING
....
iii) Six one day aerodynamic tests carried out on FIA approved straight line or constant radius sites between 1 January 2010 and the end of the last Event of the Championship. Any of these days may be substituted for four hours of wind-on full scale wind tunnel testing to be carried out in a single twenty four hour period.

Cheers



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 5):
How are they allowed to do that?

They are allowed to do this as these 4 days of testing is part of the agreement made up by all the teams.

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User currently offlineStealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5611 posts, RR: 45
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3357 times:
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Quoting sudden (Reply 8):
They are allowed to do this as these 4 days of testing is part of the agreement made up by all the teams.

No, they are are allowed to do this straight line (or constant radius) aerodynamic testing as described by me in reply 7.

There is no "4 days of testing" as agreed by the teams.

The only track testing allowed during the season is a one day test for a replacement driver and as far as I know the Scuderia have not replaced Alonso or Massa with Fisi.*

Cheers

* Although having just discovered a design flaw in their seasons old"Frozen" engine and been allowed to make changes nothing would surprise me.



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

I might have read it wrong then,

Quote:
Ferrari’s Vairano test was part of the four days of aerodynamic testing allowed in the testing agreement, as defined by the 12 Formula One teams.

from F1.com

Ferrari allowed to modify their engines!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83320

Quote:
Ferrari has been given the green light by the FIA to make modifications to its engine on reliability grounds following the problems it has had in the early stages of the season.

I guess there is always ways to work around the fines they would have got if they had run out of engines. And what's the bloddy reason of having a serten amount of engines if you can still modify the ones you have to make them more reliabel!? An engine blowing up is not really a question about safety.
I can't say I like it that they have been allowed to do this.

[Edited 2010-05-05 01:36:34]


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User currently offlineStealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5611 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3319 times:
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Quoting sudden (Reply 10):
I might have read it wrong then,

No, you read it correctly they appear to have written it wrong.

Also from F1.com-

Quote:
Since 2009, testing during the race season itself has been banned (from the week preceding the first Grand Prix to December 31), with the exception of a small number of straight-line aero tests. There are also restrictions on wind tunnel testing - the scale models used may be no larger than 60 percent and speeds are limited to 50 metres per second.

I think the F1.com writer may have been referring to those straight line aero tests, the original "cost cutting" proposal IIRC was to reduce the 2009 level of 8 days to 4 but it ended up at 6 as specified in the sporting regs.

I also agree with you on the Ferrari engine mods.

Cheers



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2751 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

Christian Klien has been appointed test driver for Hispania Racing Team... A bit of a shame considering that he endangered his position in Peugeot to find a seat in F1 this season, and he ends up being only a test driver for the least competitive F1 team.

I'd rather be part of Peugeot, having the chance to win Le Mans, Sebring or Petit Le Mans in one of the fastest sports car in the world, than being a test driver for HRT.... But as Blaise Pascal said: The heart has its reasons, which reason does not know...

Quoting sudden (Reply 10):
I can't say I like it that they have been allowed to do this.

Me neither. But I'm really not surprised about the FIA's decision.



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User currently offlinecornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

VW confirm they are looking closely at joining F1 as an engine supplier when the new engine regs kick in 2013.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/249425/



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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8435 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3285 times:

Quoting cornish (Reply 13):
VW confirm they are looking closely at joining F1 as an engine supplier when the new engine regs kick in 2013.

they stated a few months back they wouldn't be in F1 before 2012. I guess with new regs coming in in 2013 it makes sense to push it back a year.


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3250 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 12):
But I'm really not surprised about the FIA's decision.

I hope other teams will raise some serious complaints against this. It's not so much that it's Ferrari. But to me FIA threw the engine supply rule out the window when allowing Ferrari to do this.

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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2751 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

First practice session classification:

Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.134 21
2. Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.672 + 0.538 14
3. Schumacher Mercedes 1:21.716 + 0.582 12
4. Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:22.011 + 0.877 27
5. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1:22.026 + 0.892 22
6. Rosberg Mercedes 1:22.070 + 0.936 19
7. Kubica Renault 1:22.202 + 1.068 22
8. Alonso Ferrari 1:22.258 + 1.124 19
9. Petrov Renault 1:22.397 + 1.263 23
10. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:22.492 + 1.358 26
11. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:22.588 + 1.454 24
12. Massa Ferrari 1:22.975 + 1.841 22
13. di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:23.030 + 1.896 21
14. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:23.110 + 1.976 31
15. Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 1:23.284 + 2.150 19
16. Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:23.312 + 2.178 22
17. Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth 1:23.471 + 2.337 20
18. Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 1:25.329 + 4.195 17
19. Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 1:26.244 + 5.110 20
20. Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:26.340 + 5.206 23
21. di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 1:26.694 + 5.560 24
22. Klien HRT-Cosworth 1:27.250 + 6.116 26
23. Senna HRT-Cosworth 1:27.752 + 6.618 27
24. de la Rosa Sauber-Ferrari No time 3



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10746 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 16):
First practice session classification:

Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.134 21
2. Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.672 + 0.538 14

Got back from Buenos Aires one day later after a lot of unexpected flights mishaps and adventures.

So now we are already at the Barcelona Grand Prix.
What I see here suits me quite well. Let's see what cooks. I hope for rain, of course.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17008 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 17):
What I see here suits me quite well.

But remember it is only practice.



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User currently offlineStealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5611 posts, RR: 45
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3138 times:
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Quoting B747forever (Reply 18):
it is only practice.

That it is but with a few interesting side plots.

The controversy regarding Ferrari and their "subliminal" Marlboro advertising provoked all kinds of sanctimonious responses from the Scuderia, Luca di Montezemolo for one labeled the accusations "nonsense" and said the barcode design was merely an integral part of the Ferrai livery, the cars and transporters arrived at Barcelona without the "barcode" design.... curious,
They must have been planning a livery change... coincidence, perhaps?

I don't think so!!

Mercedes, long wheelbase, chassis change, familiar European environment? Approx halfway into P2 something seems to be working for MS, maybe it is that funky new air intake/engine cover, MBGP were right, not seen anything like that in F1 for quite a while.

Cheers



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2751 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3123 times:

Quoting Stealthz (Reply 19):
maybe it is that funky new air intake/engine cover, MBGP were right, not seen anything like that in F1 for quite a while.

What could be the benefits of such a design?



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User currently offlineStealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5611 posts, RR: 45
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3119 times:
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 20):
What could be the benefits of such a design?

Who knows?
Perhaps moves the intake into smoother air away from the cockpit/driver/helmet turbulence... but just guessing.

For those unaware of what MBGP have done, this may help..

Big version: Width: 800 Height: 534 File size: 90kb


Cheers

[Edited 2010-05-07 06:56:16]


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User currently offlinecornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3117 times:

And the Kubica to Ferrari in 2011 rumours gather more pace - the rumours coming from Italy this time.....

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/159455/..._ferrari_option_reports_claim.html



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

Quoting cornish (Reply 22):
And the Kubica to Ferrari in 2011 rumours gather more pace - the rumours coming from Italy this time.....

This just needs to happen if you ask me. If anyone, Massa will not be the one bringing back the no. 1 on their car anyway.



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User currently offlinecodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3095 times:

Quoting Stealthz (Reply 21):
For those unaware of what MBGP have done, this may help..

That is just completetly ugly and appaling.

Quoting cornish (Reply 22):
And the Kubica to Ferrari in 2011 rumours gather more pace - the rumours coming from Italy this time.....

Would be nice, but I think he is doing well in Renault, at least they are listening to him, I'm a bit reluctant to see that happening in Scuderia.

nice performances from robert #6 and #7.

KS/codeshare



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25 GrahamHill : You should say: "I think he's doing well for Renault!" Many French observers say that Renault is performing better than expected thanks to Kubica.
26 Stealthz : On a more sober note, it is 28 years today(May 8th 1982) since the great talent that was Gilles Villeneuve was forever lost to us, his familay and and
27 Post contains links and images photopilot : Yes, truly a sad loss both to F1 fans, and to all Canadians. For historical memories, I was lucky enough to be trackside for his first ever F1 win at
28 GrahamHill : A great talent indeed, with a spectucular driving. It's a shame I wasn't born yet to witness his performances.
29 Post contains links B747forever : P3 results: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2010/828/6727/ About an hour to go till qualifying starts!
30 MadameConcorde : The Red Bulls will be difficult to beat. Put the best driver in a car that will not respond, there is no chance that they will be in first place. Let'
31 photopilot : Amazing to see Alonso driving with the "pad" on the back of his left glove blocking the airflow so the F duct works. Look ma..... no hands!!!! while h
32 Stealthz : I tend to agree and is something that probably should have been nipped in the bud with the McLaren at the beginning of the season. Also curious about
33 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Kamui is doing well today. I hope he will get some points tomorrow. I would be happy of the same for Pedro. Hammy is doing well. I don't worry so much
34 B747forever : The Redbulls are so fast... No one can match them.
35 MadameConcorde : The Red Bulls are definitely superior though everything can change during race time. Grid 1 Mark Webber AUS 6 Red Bull 1'19.995 18 dans les stands 2 S
36 B747forever : Unless something happens to the Redbulls no one will be able to beat them tomorrow.
37 photopilot : Haven't we heard this before? Seems to me that the RBR cars are dynamite qualifiers, but lack or can't sustain that pace during the race. Will be an
38 Stealthz : Wonder what action will be taken against Ferrari for their unsafe release of Alonso? Likely little or nothing I suspect!
39 Post contains images flood : Come again?
40 B747forever : But that might change now with the updated car.
41 MadameConcorde : I would not say that the Red Bulls are unbeatable. Have you ever heard about engine failures or/and other breakdowns? and spins? and crashes? Then the
42 Post contains images cpd : Really? Care to explain this after the qualifying results so far (Q1, Q2, Q3)... The Red Bulls are so fast over 1 lap they make everything else look
43 B747forever : Did you read what I wrote?
44 Post contains images sudden : So because he managed to beat his team mate in quali for the first time since this season started, you guys think he is back and will kick a$$ out th
45 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I wonder if the volcano ash cloud will make the moving from Spain to Monaco more difficult. There is talk that they may have to close the airport in N
46 Stealthz : Well a $20,000 fine in fact, hope they can afford it!! I guess any other penalty would be unfair to Alonso(did I say that?) and he had no control ove
47 Post contains links bill142 : You just answered your own question. The equipment for the European races is transported by road. They were fined $20K There was no one in the pit la
48 waterpolodan : I love conspiracy theories. I spend a lot of time on the Autosport.com racing forums, and it ends up being more of a laugh than an interesting discuss
49 cpd : What would it be like if they had a proper engine like the Mercedes cars? It'd be even more unstoppable.
50 waterpolodan : I don't doubt that the Merc has a tad bit more power than most of the other engines, but I don't think the Renault is any weaker these days than the F
51 flood : Actually, no. I never said he's "back" nor did I say he'll be kicking ass out there. You wrote that, so if you found it amusing you have yourself to
52 Post contains images sudden : Would that be the bus passing your home, or an Airbus? As I'm an aviation geek, can we make it an Airbus 346!? You are taking it all to personal my f
53 Post contains images MadameConcorde : We are 10 minutes to the race. The BBC woman had Pedro drawing the track on a piece of paperr with his eyes closed, he did not do too much of a bad jo
54 B747forever : It is interesting to see that Hamilton is able to keep up quite well with Vettel so far.
55 MadameConcorde : Nico's brakes caught fire? What happened? Scary move by Hammy! Very daring![Edited 2010-05-09 05:36:31]
56 MIAspotter : Boring race, nice battle between Schumi and Button, Schumi closing all the doors and not giving Button any chance... hehe. And Massa just touched a Hi
57 B747forever : Button must be furious!
58 MIAspotter : Well, that's his problem, anyways, Massa is actually faster with a broken front wing! no F-conducts and no double diffusers... a broken front wing is
59 Stealthz : Not sure I am really ecstatic about Webbers string of fastest laps... might be a good way to keep the concentration up but might also be hard on the e
60 B747forever : He might be faster now, but he cannot do anything behind Button and Schumacher.
61 B747forever : Ouch, it seems that Vettal has problems with his brakes. Not a good race for him at all.
62 B747forever : Hamilton is out with 2 laps to go!!
63 MIAspotter : Hamilton out!!!!!!!!!!! a tyre blew and he is OUT! Alonso 2nd!!! MIAspotter.
64 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Oh crap! Hammy had a mechanical failure... almost at the end of the race... Bad karma... I give up! From the Beeb Unbelievable drama. One lap remainin
65 MIAspotter : Webber 1 Alonso 2 Vettel 3 Congrats to Webber, and also to Vettel fighting with the car, and great drive by Alonso, listen to the crowds go wild! Brin
66 BlueElephant : Great drive by Webber, and Congrats to him...but....what a terribly boring race. few notes from me: Awesome race by Alguasauri....He looks to improve
67 Stealthz : But flawed, a little more maturity passing Chandock and he would be looking at 9th or maybe 8th. Allow me a little parochialism here... don't mind li
68 sudden : Congtats to Webber. It was his race to win. Trucks are not designed to fly as they use the roads at hand, so you can stop wondering.
69 flood : Quite the sleeper, eh? Definitely, my thoughts too.
70 B747forever : Congrats to Webber, a superb drive. Alonso should be very happy as we have seen that this track havent really fit their car.
71 Post contains images GrahamHill : Congrats to Webber!! Superb weekend for him
72 Post contains images richm : Nice to see Webber win, he deserved it. I guess I'm probably one of few Brits who is glad to see that Hamilton didn't finish. I had higher hopes for S
73 Post contains images Baroque : Yes nice to see a win for Webber, but other than that, I hope all YOUR chickens die too and please accept my most sincere wish that you are unable to
74 waterpolodan : They tried that with this circuit, which sadly did nothing for the show and deprived us of a couple great corners near the end of the lap when they b
75 Post contains links MadameConcorde : The unfortunate puncture must have come from debris on the racing track. How else could it be? "I was just cruising to the finish line and it was grea
76 codeshare : Boring race until the final laps (Ham and Vet). Webbo was unstoppable. According to todays reports it was a stone responsible, Barichello also claimin
77 t1210s : Button was furious at the way Schuey overtook him as he emerged from his first pit stop. Button, who finished fifth, blasted: "Michael turned in and i
78 B747forever : No doubt about it: Driver standings 01 Jenson Button 70 02 Fernando Alonso 67 03 Sebastian Vettel 60 04 Mark Webber 53 05 Nico Rosberg 50 06 Lewis Ha
79 sudden : What I like about the new point system is the fact that things can really swtich from one race to the other. Rosberg delegated from 2nd to 5th in the
80 bill142 : Yep. It puts a lot of emphasis on getting a good result.
81 cpd : Eddie Jordan said the same thing as well. No use Button crying over milk that has been spilled. He just wasn't good enough to get ahead of Schumacher
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