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Fox News Pushes Obama Oil Spill Conspiracy  
User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3747 times:

  . You ask me where they get these ridiculous ideas, I don't know. They claim Obama deliberately "let" the oil leak, that's why he took so long to speak on the issue of the spill. How does this makes sense?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GBTuUOZuSI

This post is less bashing Fox News and instead, trying to make sense of ridiculous sensationalist statements by members of the American media. Why would he want a major oil spill less than 10 miles off the shore of the American mainland when he is in favor of more off shore drilling? If you ask me, the "sabotage" they spoke about would be more caused by people who dislike Obama, rather than the Obama admin itself.


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User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
This post is less bashing Fox News and instead, trying to make sense of ridiculous sensationalist statements by members of the American media.

Probably made for the same reason you put "Fox News" in your title, while claiming this thread really isn't about them specifically. Hits and views.



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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3731 times:

Quoting newark777 (Reply 1):

Probably made for the same reason you put "Fox News" in your title, while claiming this thread really isn't about them specifically. Hits and views.

Umm, it's directed at Fox News, because they are the ONLY media news outlet to suggest such ridiculous claims, so yes, the fact that Fox News is in my title, is directly connected to the post and doesn't insist bashing them in any way.



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User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3711 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 2):
Umm, it's directed at Fox News, because they are the ONLY media news outlet to suggest such ridiculous claims, so yes, the fact that Fox News is in my title, is directly connected to the post and doesn't insist bashing them in any way.

That show on Fox is on the same level as the Today show and the View. Bunch of idiots sitting around talking about random topics.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8785 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

You have to admit that the thought had to cross your mind that maybe there was something fishy about, just a week or two after Obama announces a policy of allowing offshore drilling (which we all know was a political maneuver which he really does not want), possibly the worst offshore rig accident ever takes place. Amazing coincidence. And that doesn't mean that Obama was behind it - it could have been Greenpeace, Earth First or some other group, who never intended to hurt anyone but simply poison people's appetite for drilling.

Having read something about the buildup to the accident, it's looking more and more like this was a "perfect storm" situation of one failure leading to other failures that ended up with the rig sinking. No malice, just a terrible accident. But you can't blame people for wondering "who does it benefit?" when such an unusual accident happens.

Still, an amazing coincidence.

[Edited 2010-05-04 15:48:13]


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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3661 times:

Umm the last time I checked The view was not a media outlet.


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User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3080 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3645 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 5):

Cherry pick much? Dreadnought brought up a valid point towards the end.



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User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3632 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 5):
Umm the last time I checked The view was not a media outlet.

Do you mean news outlet? The show in question can't be confused for a news show, which is why I compared it to the View. In fact, most of what is on all the cable networks these days is not news, but news analysis, talking head opinion shows, and talk shows. What they say is no more significant than is what is said on talk radio everyday, and should be treated as such.

The people who watch these networks expecting news are the real fools in all this.



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4488 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3608 times:

Quoting newark777 (Reply 7):
The people who watch these networks expecting news are the real fools in all this.

  

24-hour news channels may very well be the death of rational thought in this country.

I watch major news networks as much for my news as I watch The Weather Channel for the weather.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8182 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
Still, an amazing coincidence.

So is the fact the Haliburton (Cheney's old company - wonder how much stock he owns) had just finished "working" on that well. Something to do with cement.

Or that Britain is having their national election on Thursday - and it IS a rig owned by BRITISH Petroleum.

Amazing how one can find a coincidence when one wants to.   


User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3551 times:

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 8):
as I watch The Weather Channel for the weather.

Oh God, why shouldn't I be using TWC?  Wow!



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8785 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3551 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 9):

So is the fact the Haliburton (Cheney's old company - wonder how much stock he owns) had just finished "working" on that well. Something to do with cement.

Not a coincidence there, as Halliburton is one of the largest oilfield services companies in the world, and cemented their first offshore well (the service they did for this particular well) back in the 30s.



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2489 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3509 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
it could have been Greenpeace, Earth First or some other group, who never intended to hurt anyone but simply poison people's appetite for drilling.

Highly unlikely IMO - I just don't see these guys going 40 miles out into the open ocean in their Zodiacs, having the wherewithal to be able to get explosives and/or incindiery devices underwater (deep diving required?) all un-noticed by the crew on board the rig. Far-fetched at best.



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
No malice, just a terrible accident.

Much more likely

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
there was something fishy about, just a week or two after Obama announces a policy of allowing offshore drilling (which we all know was a political maneuver which he really does not want), possibly the worst offshore rig accident ever takes place.

He said today's rigs are unlikely to cause spills during that announcement. I don't for a second imagine he'd have any hand in something that would make him look so silly so shortly afterwards. Just my   


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8785 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3432 times:

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 8):
24-hour news channels may very well be the death of rational thought in this country.

That goes as well for traditional news outlets which have gone downhill. Newsweek, for instance, claims to have come up with conclusive proof that Tea Party members are racist, using poll questions like :

Quote:
When read the statement that "if blacks would only try harder, they could be just as well off as whites," 73 percent of the movement's supporters agreed, while only 33 percent of people who disapproved of the Tea Party agreed. Asked if blacks should work their way up "without special favors," as the Irish, Italians, and other groups did, 88 percent of supporters agreed, compared to 56 percent of opponents.

Newsweek interprets that as racism. Whereas I think that if you disagree with "if blacks would only try harder, they could be just as well off as whites,", that means that you think Blacks are stupid, can't do it on their own, so they need a permanent helping hand. That's racist IMHO.

This is the type of crap you'd expect from the Daily Kos or Huffington, but Newsweek???



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13028 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3394 times:

Just like with major terror events like 9/11, assinations of major public figures, strange storms affects, events like this bring out the wack job conspirators trying to find 'the real reason' for what happen, that it couldn't just be gross incompentance, that 'someone' or 'the government' or the rich or some hated group did it. That Fox News is promoting these views is totally irresponsible, but that seems to be their style.

User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8785 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3375 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 14):
That Fox News is promoting these views is totally irresponsible, but that seems to be their style.

What is the difference between promotion and allowing a talking head to speak an opinion?



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11516 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
You have to admit that the thought had to cross your mind that maybe there was something fishy about, just a week or two after Obama announces a policy of allowing offshore drilling (which we all know was a political maneuver which he really does not want), possibly the worst offshore rig accident ever takes place.

Tin foil hat? What has been said about the Sept 11 theorists?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 15):
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 14):
That Fox News is promoting these views is totally irresponsible, but that seems to be their style.

What is the difference between promotion and allowing a talking head to speak an opinion?

The difference is: If a right-wing talking head says it, it is what the people want. If a left-wing talking head says it, it is complete bunk and there is no way any true patriotic American would ever think that and how dare anyone think anything other that the right-wing stance!



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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5330 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3318 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
Why would he want a major oil spill less than 10 miles off the shore of the American mainland when he is in favor of more off shore drilling?

Same reason that Bush wanted Katrina to destroy New Orleans.



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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3315 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 17):
Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
Why would he want a major oil spill less than 10 miles off the shore of the American mainland when he is in favor of more off shore drilling?

Same reason that Bush wanted Katrina to destroy New Orleans.

don't even get me started on that. It's one of the dumbest conspiracies involving bush I ever heard.



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User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 16):
If a left-wing talking head says it, it is complete bunk and there is no way any true patriotic American would ever think that and how dare anyone think anything other that the right-wing stance!

Watch the equivalent shows on MSNBC and you will see that is not the case.



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User currently onlinespeedygonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 715 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3164 times:

Unsurprisingly, chief wacko Limbaugh has also been promoting this ridiculous idea. 


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User currently offlineplanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3521 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3009 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
You have to admit that the thought had to cross your mind that maybe there was something fishy about, just a week or two after Obama announces a policy of allowing offshore drilling (which we all know was a political maneuver which he really does not want), possibly the worst offshore rig accident ever takes place. Amazing coincidence.

That is a bunch of hooey. I know you're not overtly accusing the administration of doing that, but your logic even defies your kind's usual nonsense.

First off - if there was going to be some grand conspiracy to blow up an oil well, don't you think the administration would have come out officially against any expanded offshore oil drilling? Only a wing-nut could seriously hypothesize that Obama would somehow come out in favor of something to make it look like he was for it then blow it up a mere month later and somehow use that to say "I told you so?" I didn't think any of you thought he was that smart? You can't call a guy stupid and an idiot one day then describe him as a master plotter the next.

Secondly - There was absolutely no political gain for Obama to say that his administration was in favor of expanding offshore drilling in the first place - it's not like all the "drill baby drill" people are suddenly going to have a come-to-Jesus-moment and say "wow, Barack is my kind of guy." If he was looking for political points, he would have done more by just shoring up his base by saying "no new oil coastal oil drilling." At least he would have satisfied his environmental/green supporters, rather than alienating them by proclaiming coastal drilling open for business. This accident coming on the heels of his support for drilling only makes him look worse. The more likely reason for him coming out in favor in the first place is because he's a reasonable guy - we do have natural resources of oil, and taking a reasonable and measured approach to access them, with the proper regulations and oversight, is a prudent thing to do.

I just don't understand why people who are so against his policies have to spin these ridiculous hypotheses that cannot even possibly be true. It's fine to be against his policies or his politics, but you do yourself no favors by saying "it's not that much of a leap" to think that he would plot against his own energy policy to somehow gain political points.

Madness.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8785 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2975 times:

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 20):
Unsurprisingly, chief wacko Limbaugh has also been promoting this ridiculous idea.

Chief Wacko network MSNBC has been airing how bummed out they are that the Times Square bomber was a muslim - they were really hoping for a tea party member.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRmPTN07Iz4&feature=player_embedded

Quoting planespotting (Reply 21):

Secondly - There was absolutely no political gain for Obama to say that his administration was in favor of expanding offshore drilling in the first place - it's not like all the "drill baby drill" people are suddenly going to have a come-to-Jesus-moment and say "wow, Barack is my kind of guy." If he was looking for political points, he would have done more by just shoring up his base by saying "no new oil coastal oil drilling."

I never implied or meant to imply that Obama himself would be behind it. Obama was forced to make a concession to new drilling because the People demand it. His solution was to allow new drilling, but in areas different from what oil companies expected or wanted, effectively delaying any new drilling for years. Two-faced, but entirely legal, and it allowed him to make points with the more uneducated portions of the Drill Baby Drill crowd while not alienating the environmentalists - assuming they understood the slight of hand. My theory centered on the idea that some environuts, not understanding Obama's slight of hand, might have decided to 'do something about it'.

Like I said, this was the first thing that came to my mind as a out-of-the-box possibility. But evidence so far has not indicated any such foul play. You will note that I am not a conspiracy theorist - otherwise you would have seen me publish the idea here. I did not because I wanted to see what facts came out first.

[Edited 2010-05-05 08:39:02]


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User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 22):
Chief Wacko network MSNBC has been airing how bummed out they are that the Times Square bomber was a muslim - they were really hoping for a tea party member.

No surprise there, MSNBC has become the left wing media outlet that liberals have been complaining about not having for years.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8182 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 22):
they were really hoping for a tea party member.

Now that's funny.  

Any time you have a major situation like this it is best to wait until the evidence is in. We saw it in the Oklahoma CIty Bombing, but it's apparently a lesson not learned.


25 MBMBOS : You are so right. When I read your post I was so shocked I spilled my glass of fluoridated water all over Obama's original Kenyan birth certificate!
26 Dreadnought : You are right of course. However, at some point the opposite problem comes into play. We now know for a fact that this guy did it - he's confessed to
27 futurepilot16 : That's great, we finally have an outlet to which we can tell our side of the story. But seriously, first reports was that it was a white guy in his 3
28 Ken777 : And McVey, IIFC, was a Christian Patriot. My concern is that we can continue to be able to accept non-fanatic parts of all religions as legitimate. C
29 JBirdAV8r : Haha. I guess it's hard to bias the weather, but they play up everything so dramatically in the name of ratings. Theoretical tornadoes approaching Ma
30 newark777 : It just seems strange that someone would wish that a terrorist was a certain race in order to prove some theory about people being biased towards Mid
31 futurepilot16 : That's exactly what i'm implying. The American citizens they found in Michigan plotting to murder cops were also considered enemy combatants, why did
32 Dreadnought : How many deaths have domestic terrorists caused since the OKC bombing? Which I might add was the work of a couple of guys, who were caught and punish
33 windy95 : Exactly... Other small minded Americans (some on this site) seem to think that the only threat is coming from FOX news (why all the threads on it?),
34 futurepilot16 : What threat? I make fun of Fox News, and Sarah Palin. A threat? A threat to what? Common sense in America? Your assumption is laughable. I didn't say
35 windy95 : If they where not a threat you would not give them the time of day. My assumption is dead on. Your obsession with them is the only thing that is laug
36 futurepilot16 : As I said, I make fun of these things because they're funny to us liberals. If I thought Sarah Palin even had the slightest chance to make it into th
37 newark777 : So even though there are organized Islamic Fundamentalist terror groups throughout the Middle East and South Asia that have shown they are willing to
38 futurepilot16 : Thank you for proving my point. People look at Shahzad like an international Muslim extremist, but lets compare notes. The 6 Americans they arrested
39 newark777 : I thought those arrested in Virginia were after India. I believe I may have been unclear with my wording, my beef isn't so much the difference betwee
40 Dreadnought : But they are not. Bullcr--. Christian extremists are not trying to blowing up airplanes. Buddhist extremists are not beheading Americans. Jewish extr
41 futurepilot16 : Says who? It just so happens that our intelligence agency have caught them slipping every time. How many people will die before we actually realize i
42 Dreadnought : Excuse me for worrying about people who making regular and active attempts at causing mayhem more than those who talk tough but have rarely ever done
43 futurepilot16 : Tell that to the scores of Americans who would rather direct their anger at the religion rather the political ideology of islamism
44 Dreadnought : Way to dodge the issue... NOT. Yes or no - Is Islamism (now that you know what Islamism is as opposed to Islam) is the main motivator for unknown tho
45 DeltaMD90 : Well sir, we probably devote more time and money towards Islamists and are more reactant to them because there are SO MANY MORE CASES. I daresay you'l
46 Lufthansa411 : I think that the law was written in such a way as to exclude Americans on home soil and domestic terrorism. i.e. American citizens can be detained as
47 seb146 : So close, yet so far away. Did you listen to anything else she said? From this comment, I am guessing not. She made a very valid point. This will, as
48 Dreadnought : Implying that the left know better? Explain why, since Obama came to office, how the word 'Islamist' has been almost completely eliminated from the a
49 Post contains images futurepilot16 : That's very sensationalist. But speaking irrationally for a second, i'd rather the islamic state, on account of guys have the most power
50 Post contains images n229nw : BEST ....POST....EVER (well, at least today, it made my night.)
51 Dreadnought : Your refusal to answer the other questions has been noted.
52 futurepilot16 : Well I was at work and can only answer so many questions on an Iphone. Although your ignorance is dually noted It's the religion, you can't hide the
53 Post contains images afterburner : How can a thread about an oil spill turn into an Islam-bashing one?
54 Maverick623 : Did you? And she then spent about 3 minutes talking about how White right-wing nut jobs should be the real focus of terror investigations, never mind
55 Dreadnought : There is the problem. I made it quite clear that the problem is Islamism, not Islam.
56 Post contains images afterburner : What is the connection between oil spill and Islamism? Oh, I see. Oil -> Middle East -> Islam
57 IADCA : You can blame people for airing such views on a national news channel with absolutely no evidence to back it up. Since TV doesn't have footnotes, eve
58 jush : Nothin amazing Just an accident which possibly could have been prevented if a proper BOP (Blow out preventor) had been installed. Regards jush
59 futurepilot16 : I was wondering that myself, last night. It needs to be closed because it's way off topic at this point.
60 windy95 : It needs to be closed because it was idiotic from the beginning.
61 newark777 : This thread was about media sensationalism from the start, not an oil spill.
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