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User currently offlineRussianJet From Kyrgyzstan, joined Jul 2007, 7623 posts, RR: 23
Posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10077 times:
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You have to be kidding. £429 for the 16GB model?? The computers you could buy for that money!! What a load of rubbish. This sucks.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...e-iPad-cost-UK-does-US-stores.html

The UK Apple site doesn't actually give the prices, merely saying: "A magical and revolutionary product at an unbelievable price".

Well, if the stupid Mail article is to be believed then they're right - it is an unbelievable price.


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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3007 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10039 times:
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The price has been officially announced, it can be found here:

http://www.apple.com/uk/pr/library/2010/05/07ipad.html

So yes, £429 / €499 for the 16 GB WiFi model is the official price. Consider that it includes VAT - the US $499 price doesn't include sales tax. Not too bad after all.

I ordered mine from relatives in the US. Everything considered (tax, shipping, customs), I ended up spending a little more than buying it here. So I don't think the prices are unreasonable.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9984 times:

The german prices:

16GB WiFi: €514,–
32GB WiFi: €614,–
64GB WiFi: €714,–

16GB WiFi+3G: €614,–
32GB WiFi+3G: €714,–
64GB WiFi+3G: €814,–

(Including 19% VAT, about €15,– GEMA copyright fee and mandatory 1+1 year warranty)


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8044 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9909 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
What a load of rubbish.

Consumers will decide if it is or isn't. Remember that the UK/European/Australian releases were delayed a month because of unexpectedly high demand in the US - a pretty good sign that the consumers in the iPad's target market don't think it's rubbish.

WHile I would like one I'm going to wait until there is an iChat camera included. Maybe next year.  


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9822 times:

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 1):
Consider that it includes VAT - the US $499 price doesn't include sales tax.

Yeah, but in some places in the U.S. sales tax is 0%.

The joys of cheap things in America. My laptop cost the same in the U.S. as it does in the UK, except I paid for it in dollars and in the UK its the same price with a pound sign. Ridiculous.



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User currently offlinecadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9795 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
"A magical and revolutionary product at an unbelievable price".

   Magical? You have to be kidding me   

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
You have to be kidding.

Nope. Sad thing is there are Lemmings crazy enough to buy them

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 1):
So I don't think the prices are unreasonable.

You don't think that $500 for a over hyped tablet that cant multitask, has no external keyboard and until recently no USB support is unreasonable?



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Kyrgyzstan, joined Jul 2007, 7623 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9771 times:
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Quoting cadet57 (Reply 5):
You don't think that $500 for a over hyped tablet that cant multitask, has no external keyboard and until recently no USB support is unreasonable?

Don't forget the *whopping* 16Gb memory.  sarcastic 

[Edited 2010-05-08 16:37:29]


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9768 times:

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 5):
Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
"A magical and revolutionary product at an unbelievable price".

Magical? You have to be kidding me

Arthur C. Clarke: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

We happen to know (well, at least believe) that it's technology in this case, from our incremental experience and observation of the development before it. But on its own, without more detailed background knowledge, an iPad is damn close to magic when you just touch and use it...   

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 5):
You don't think that $500 for a over hyped tablet that cant multitask, has no external keyboard and until recently no USB support is unreasonable?

Well, it seems that neither Apple nor most of its users have noticed yet that it ought to be completely useless according to the self-appointed experts.

The same kind of experts, by the way, who not so long ago had told everyone that a computer with something as ridiculous as a "mouse" could never be a useful tool for anything...   

[Edited 2010-05-08 16:41:37]

User currently offlinecadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9757 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 7):
an iPad is damn close to magic when you just touch and use it...

   So I guess my touchscreen cellphone is magic too! Oh and the ATM at Bank of America, and the point of sale system at my old job, oh and my GameCom from 1998!   

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 6):
Don't forget the *whopping* 16Gb memory.

But its magical dammit.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9748 times:

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 8):
So I guess my touchscreen cellphone is magic too! Oh and the ATM at Bank of America, and the point of sale system at my old job, oh and my GameCom from 1998!

Sure – you've just got to step back a bit further and accept a cruder version of magic for that...!


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2551 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9711 times:

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 5):
Nope. Sad thing is there are Lemmings crazy enough to buy them

Yeah so sad in fact that Apple can't keep up with the demand ?

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 5):
You don't think that $500 for a over hyped tablet that cant multitask, has no external keyboard and until recently no USB support is unreasonable?

Again, Apple must be doing something right. They can't make then fast enough in get them into peoples hands.
Why do you have to have an external keyboard, can't you type on a screen ?

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 8):
So I guess my touchscreen cellphone is magic too! Oh and the ATM at Bank of America, and the point of sale system at my old job, oh and my GameCom from 1998!

Whats your problem ?

For someone who obviously doesn't like Apple Ipads (or probably most things Apple I would venture to say) you sure have a lot to say about them !

Please if you want to bash Apple, go start a new thread. This one is about the cost of an Ipad in the UK, that's all.  



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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3007 posts, RR: 48
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9697 times:
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Quoting cadet57 (Reply 5):
You don't think that $500 for a over hyped tablet that cant multitask, has no external keyboard and until recently no USB support is unreasonable?

We already had this, there's no need to re-hash the theories why someone would *not* want an iPad.

The New IPad, Who Is Buying, Who Is Interested? (by Ken777 Mar 9 2010 in Non Aviation)
I'm So Sick Of Apple (by JetsGo Apr 19 2010 in Non Aviation)

We can, however, share experiences among those who already have one. Yes, I happen to be one of them  . After using it, I can say the following:

- the Apple haters are right, it is *not* for everyone. But I already said that before (in the other threads). It *is* for me though, and for at least 1 million other people (so far)

- I can do all the remote IT system management I need with it. With 1.6 lbs of weight, I can carry it around all the time (and not only "sometimes when I feel like it" or when I really *need* to, like my MacBook Pro). This means that when something hits the fan at work, I will be able to fix it anytime. It increased my productivity to no end. OK, not everyone will like this (for example those who don't want to be on call for work during their free time), but I do

- I can moderate the A.net forums from it   . The iPhone wouldn't allow me to do it comfortably (the screen is too small)

- it is my couch computer in the living room. I tried to do this with a Netbook, but it didn't survive long. The fact that the screen sits at an angle with the keyboard makes it awkward to keep on a couch or on a living room table. The iPad is perfect, it just fits there and you barely notice it. And it's ready within 2 seconds of picking it up (no standby-resume or booting). And with Push notifications, I can get IM messages even when it's not "turned on" (in the traditional sense), which can't be done with any other device (yes, cell phones do that, but it's awkward to type long IMs from a cell phone keyboard)

- it is my travel DVD player and gaming machine

So yes, it works for me and it's worth every $$ I've spent on it. Don't like it? Don't buy it. But you should at least try it out in a store with a neutral mind, and without anti-Apple prejudice.

Edit: the iPad has USB support (although I personally don't need it) and an optional external keyboard (either wired, with a dock, or via Bluetooth).

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 6):
Don't forget the *whopping* 16Gb memory.

If you need more, there's the 32 and 64 GB version. For me, 16 GB were enough (and I'm using about 8 of them). All my stuff is in the cloud, I hardly store anything locally on mobile devices. I'm sure this new way of working will catch on with more and more people pretty soon.

[Edited 2010-05-09 01:23:28]


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Kyrgyzstan, joined Jul 2007, 7623 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9676 times:
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Quoting ManuCH (Reply 11):
If you need more, there's the 32 and 64 GB version

Of course, but the point is that such a poxy memory costs so darn much!



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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3007 posts, RR: 48
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9672 times:
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Quoting RussianJet (Reply 12):
Of course, but the point is that such a poxy memory costs so darn much!

I agree that the additional memory is not cheap. But it's worth thinking about whether you really need it or not. With what would you fill it up? Music, videos?

I also instinctively thought that I need the maximum size. But then I settled with the smallest one and I'm not even using half of it.



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2551 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9626 times:

Australian prices were listed today for the iPad.

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/tec...date-and-prices-20100507-ujxd.html

Sweet ! Can't wait to pick one up ASAP. Think I'll go for the big baby (Wi-Fi 64gb 3g Model) $1049.



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User currently offlinecadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9554 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 10):
or probably most things Apple I would venture to say

You would be wrong. I own two MacBooks and am on my second iPod. I just think the iPad is a stupid device and really over priced for what you get.

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 13):
With what would you fill it up? Music, videos?

Considering I have 11 gigs of music alone, the 16 gig iPad would be nowhere near large enough for me.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8044 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9548 times:

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 5):
Sad thing is there are Lemmings crazy enough to buy them

The people who buy the iPad will be the ones who understand how it fits into their lives. As the scope of apps expands for the iPad then you'll see even greater growth of the products.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 6):
Don't forget the *whopping* 16Gb memory.

Considering that my first computer came with 16K the 16 Gb is a pretty good upgrade.  
Quoting cadet57 (Reply 15):
I just think the iPad is a stupid device and really over priced for what you get.

Then you probably don't understand what Apple has done with the iPad - and you'll be happier waiting for HP to deliver their version. Again.


User currently offlinecadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9546 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 16):
and you'll be happier waiting for HP to deliver their version.

Not really. I have zero use for a tablet. Why should I spend money on a novelty device that does nothing new that I can't already do?

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 16):
16 Gb is a pretty good upgrade.  

My cellphone has 1 gig less than an iPad. Some upgrade....



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User currently offlinetheredbaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2154 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9536 times:

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 5):
Magical? You have to be kidding me

From personal experience YES IS MAGICAL BECAUSE:

It made me stay up to 2 am everyday I had It, after working all day in computers!

It could make more than 50 people enter my store just to see it and touch it.

Made my kids fight over who could use it, when they seldom argue.

Made my wife watch photos a long time (and she has all of them on the MacBook)

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 16):
Considering that my first computer came with 16K the 16 Gb is a pretty good upgrade.  

I had a 16 K Apple IIplus. and I upgraded to 48K and then to 64K...those were the days.

I have seen tons of Ipads in Mexico, and most people are using them for real state selling, used car selling, and similar stuff, Big stores are taking orders for July launch and I bet Apple has another home run in its hands, we have a 16% VAT and import tax, so I guess its not going to be cheap. ( I sold mine for 850 ) so you can bet most people think its really magical.

my 2 pesos TRB



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9535 times:

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 17):
Not really. I have zero use for a tablet. Why should I spend money on a novelty device that does nothing new that I can't already do?

That you think you have no use for it (which might still be up for a real-world test) does not automatically mean that it is a useless, overhyped product.

This is a mistake that is made by many people who think of themselves as experts. In the real world different people have different priorities and preferences. And if someone has other priorities and preferences than I do, that doesn't make that person "stupid" or "brainwashed" as some people believe.

It is just a sign of my own priorities and preferences not being universal – and realizing the validity of all the different needs people have is one of the most important capabilities for a successful manufacturer. Apple has been consistently inventive and even audacious with their product development decisions.

The confusion, derision and even hostility from some quarters is a sure sign of them doing things right. Apple has met pretty much the same reaction before, and in almost every case they turned out to be right.


User currently offlineTristarAtLCA From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9500 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 19):
That you think you have no use for it (which might still be up for a real-world test) does not automatically mean that it is a useless, overhyped product.

No it doesn't Klaus, but Steve Jobs is the one who proclaimed 'It's way better than a laptop, it's way better than a smartphone'. Neither of which is remotely accurate. It is far less capable than a laptop and as it lacks the ability to make a phone call what smartphone am I comparing it to?

Watching people scrabbling for niche circumstances where this highly priced, poorly specced piece of technology justifies its purchase as opposed to buying one of the many tablet PC's that have on the market for years which would have solved the many problems people seemingly face with standard design laptops (like Manu's netbooks falling off his sofa) just leaves me puzzled.

I'm very happy my iPhone and am saving for the iMac. I'll leave this excercise in brand idolisation to others.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9437 times:

Correction:

iPad - Apple Store (Deutschland)

The german prices:

16GB WiFi: €499,–
32GB WiFi: €599,–
64GB WiFi: €714,–

16GB WiFi+3G: €599,–
32GB WiFi+3G: €699,–
64GB WiFi+3G: €814,–

(Including 19% VAT, mandatory 1+1 year warranty and about €15,– GEMA copyright fee only for devices with >40GB storage)

3G access is offered via Vodafone and O2, not via T-Mobile this time. This could be a hint that T-Mobile exclusivity is coming to an end for the iPhone as well this year.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9434 times:

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 20):
No it doesn't Klaus, but Steve Jobs is the one who proclaimed 'It's way better than a laptop, it's way better than a smartphone'. Neither of which is remotely accurate.

That is his claim to make – and apparently over a million paying customers seem to agree with him already.

And where was he denigrating anybody not agreeing with him? That was my whole point above.

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 20):
It is far less capable than a laptop and as it lacks the ability to make a phone call what smartphone am I comparing it to?

It is a new kind of device. Which automatically means that it is not the same thing as any of the existing platforms.

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 20):
Watching people scrabbling for niche circumstances where this highly priced, poorly specced piece of technology justifies its purchase as opposed to buying one of the many tablet PC's that have on the market for years which would have solved the many problems people seemingly face with standard design laptops (like Manu's netbooks falling off his sofa) just leaves me puzzled.

Again: That you don't see a use for it (yet?) does not automatically make it a poor product.

Remember the ridicule Apple received when they presented the original Macintosh? "A 'mouse'? Who needs a toy like that?"

What's that next to your keyboard now?


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9355 times:

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 1):
So yes, £429 / €499 for the 16 GB WiFi model is the official price. Consider that it includes VAT - the US $499 price doesn't include sales tax. Not too bad after all.

Apple has been better than most in recent years in keeping their prices closer to par in every country they sell in. Not perfect, but not the wide disparity seen in other tech pricing.



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User currently offlineTristarAtLCA From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9342 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
That is his claim to make – and apparently over a million paying customers seem to agree with him already

Do you know how many people bought Milli Vanilli records   Quantity does not equal quality.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
Again: That you don't see a use for it (yet?) does not automatically make it a poor product.

I have not said it is a poor product Klaus. I have stated here and the other thread that it is vastly overpriced for the poor technical specification it offers, even bearing in mind that Apple will launch Mk.2 with the camera it should already have installed very soon to shaft the launch customer.

And you are correct Klaus, I don't see a use for it. But what puzzled me was how many people suddenly realised they have major user issues with what they currently own and its taken Apple to show them the error of their ways.

I'll bet you a Warsteiner they wouldn't have noticed any problems if it was called Arcos.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):

It is a new kind of device.

It's an oversized PDA with a slick operating system. It even has some ridiculous design flaws which is unusual for Apple. Lets not kid ourselves that something which surfs the web and plays movies is a ground breaking piece of tech because its wrapped in a nice coat.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
What's that next to your keyboard now?

Strangely, during the course of posting this my microsoft mouse has just stopped responding.

I suspect it was you Klaus, with your Apple inspired deviousness  



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25 Post contains images N1120A : I'm sure the iPad has sold just fine, but I have strangely only seen one in use. Hey, the second record was ok
26 Post contains images TristarAtLCA : But I never got paid for my lead vocal work on that second track
27 Aesma : I'm pretty sure most of them (and Jobs also) already own a smartphone and a laptop, and still use them.
28 Aeroflot001 : Why is it more expensive in Europe? I fail to understand this, its still the same thing and it does the same job. In Argentina its even worse, electro
29 Klaus : It isn't, really. US prices are always indicated without tax. German prices are always indicated including all fees and taxes. 64GB iPad 3G: $829.00
30 Post contains images Klaus : No. But quantity is a reasonable indication that a product is in fact well received. That kind of speculation is not based on any fact – it is pure
31 Post contains links and images Klaus : Related to the cost of components and development, but also kind of fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za8V2IiGCfY YouTube - iPad supports 11 simulta
32 Post contains images TristarAtLCA : They are actually asking £429 for a 16Gb PDA which surfs the web and does nothing that isn't currently available. That is horrendously overpriced in
33 theredbaron : mmmm, does that includes Microsoft products? Here in Mexico we will pay 5% for import taxes and 16% VAT. plus a very expensive 3g rent... anyways it
34 TristarAtLCA : mmmmm, it includes everything you care to name.
35 theredbaron : I dont get it, so If something is widely popular or has a lot of quantity, it has to be low quality? Then how it becomes popular in the first place? M
36 TristarAtLCA : The point you seem to be missing is that blithely stating that something which has proven successful in the sales department is an indication of its
37 theredbaron : Ok, fair enough, then how can you explain a product that becomes popular and successful if its not brilliant in any way? The telephone, the car, airpl
38 Post contains images TristarAtLCA : Well if the iPad actually had something which could come close to being described as brilliant design or innovation you may have a point. I don't see
39 Aesma : Apple is too good at marketing (and brainwashing) to make any meaningful comparison. I don't think the iPad is a piece of crap, I think it's OK, howev
40 theredbaron : Not at all, in fact I concur with your views and to answer your questions let me tell you what I think about the Ipad. In some ways is not a "new" pr
41 fridgmus : Very true Baron. I'd love to see what the iPad looks like in a year or two or even longer. Any speculation on that anyone? BTW, I just ordered my fir
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