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Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.  
User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7309 posts, RR: 85
Posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4926 times:
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Don't know much about her; does anyone? Will GOP oppose her? All relevant thoughts welcome!

Glad another women will join Sotomayor and Ginsburg; definitely a good thing.   

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User currently offlineAeroflot001 From Argentina, joined Oct 2009, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4888 times:

I saw it breaking live on CNN. At the moment the GOP dosent have much on her but im sure they are already scrambling to see what they can find.

User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7309 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4839 times:
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Quoting Aeroflot001 (Reply 1):

If she was in the pool of nominees Obama and Biden have chatted with in the past (she was) you can bet the farm the opposing party(s) have reason to cause problems during confirmation hearings. Paging Bork. John Tyler had the most nominations (4) denied by Congress during his presidency.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8866 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4804 times:

Pleasant surprise, from what little I've read about her. She's left of center, but no nutcase, and has a good relationship with conservatives.

The New York Times did this piece on her last year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/17/us/17kagan.html?_r=1

It seems they think liberals might be the ones to cause the most fuss.



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User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3100 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4587 times:

My first knee jerk reaction is how do you choose a nominee for the Supreme Court that has never been a judge.

My second reaction this smells of the Harriot Myers nomination of Bush.

I will have to wait and see what comes up before I decide if this is a good choice.

Okie


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4505 times:

Quoting okie (Reply 6):
My first knee jerk reaction is how do you choose a nominee for the Supreme Court that has never been a judge

Actually you don't even need a Law degree......



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User currently offlinedesertjets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7785 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4445 times:

Quoting okie (Reply 4):
My first knee jerk reaction is how do you choose a nominee for the Supreme Court that has never been a judge.

Looking at the resumes of the current membership of the Supreme Court and only a few of them have had extensive time on a Federal or state appellate court before their nomination. Chief Justice Roberts only served 3 years in the DC appellate court prior to his nomination (ironically a seat that Kagan was originally nominated for but was never given a confirmation hearing by then Senate Judicial Committee Chair Hatch.).

Quoting okie (Reply 4):
My second reaction this smells of the Harriot Myers nomination of Bush.

Good thing it is a knee jerk reaction b/c the differences between Myers and Kagan are huge. Myers may have been a halfway decent lawyer but she certainly wasn't Supreme Court material. You have someone that clerked for Justice Marshall, was a law professor at Harvard, associate White House Counsel under President Clinton, and now currently Solicitor General. She certainly has the educational pedigreed as well (Princeton, Oxford and Harvard).



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26600 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
Will GOP oppose her?

Of course they will, but she will get confirmed.

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):

Don't know much about her; does anyone?

Strong track record as both an academic and a government lawyer. Extremely smart and hard working.

Quoting okie (Reply 4):

My second reaction this smells of the Harriot Myers nomination of Bush.

Not even close. Myers was scarily under-qualified for the job.

Quoting okie (Reply 4):
My first knee jerk reaction is how do you choose a nominee for the Supreme Court that has never been a judge.

Why give a perfunctory circuit seat to someone when it makes sense to nominate them right away? Anyone who is made Solicitor General is likely as experienced with Supreme Court jurisprudence as the justices themselves.

Quoting desertjets (Reply 6):
Chief Justice Roberts only served 3 years in the DC appellate court prior to his nomination

And before that, he was a typical Big Law drone at Hogan and Hartson.

Quoting desertjets (Reply 6):
was a law professor at Harvard

Dean, in fact.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8324 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4394 times:

I believe that Kagan will be an excellent Judge on the Supreme Court. She certainly has the intellectual capacity to overshadow most men on the Court!

The interesting factor will be the response by the Tea Party. They have clearly shown that a Republican voting the "wrong way" can be a killer for a career. Will the Tea Party work to keep Kagan off the Bench? Will they punish Senators that don't fight to keep her off? Will Senator Hatch fight again to keep her from having a hearing?

At least that part of Ms. nomination process will be interesting. Actually the entire process will be interesting.


User currently offlinedesertjets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7785 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4372 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 8):
The interesting factor will be the response by the Tea Party. They have clearly shown that a Republican voting the "wrong way" can be a killer for a career. Will the Tea Party work to keep Kagan off the Bench? Will they punish Senators that don't fight to keep her off? Will Senator Hatch fight again to keep her from having a hearing?

I see Kagan as a less controversial nominee than Sotomayor -- which makes me think that this will be a relatively easy confirmation process.



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User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

Quoting desertjets (Reply 10):
I see Kagan as a less controversial nominee than Sotomayor

Remember though that the controversy really doesn't heat up until the candidate's records are really dug through and the opposition finds the "controversial" material. Will Kagan have her own "wise Latina" quote? Who know, but I've already seen one piece about her Princeton thesis that was sympathetic to socialism, so I'm sure we'll see more of the same. She has spent a long time in academia, so she must has a good deal of writing attributed to her.



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User currently offlinedesertjets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7785 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4361 times:

Quoting newark777 (Reply 11):
ho know, but I've already seen one piece about her Princeton thesis that was sympathetic to socialism, so I'm sure we'll see more of the same.

If Bob McDonnell was able to pass off his 1989 M.P.P. thesis from 1989 as something from his past he no longer fully believes in, then Kagan should be able to easily brush off an undergraduate thesis from nearly 30 years ago when she was barely old enough to drink.



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User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4345 times:

Quoting desertjets (Reply 12):

If Bob McDonnell was able to pass off his 1989 M.P.P. thesis from 1989 as something from his past he no longer fully believes in, then Kagan should be able to easily brush off an undergraduate thesis from nearly 30 years ago when she was barely old enough to drink.

She's still going to pass, but it's certainly something that's going to be brought up and made a circus of in the press.



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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6344 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4307 times:

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
Will GOP oppose her?

Yes. That's US politics...the Dems will fight someone a Conservative president nominates, and the Repubs will fight someone a Liberal president nominates. That's the state of US politics, and the politics of many places around the world.

Quoting desertjets (Reply 10):

I see Kagan as a less controversial nominee than Sotomayor -- which makes me think that this will be a relatively easy confirmation process.

I agree


The solicitor general is already known in Washington and by Congress...she's already an established part of the government. She has already been confirmed to a position by Congress once...she can do it again.


User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1661 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

Quoting newark777 (Reply 11):
Remember though that the controversy really doesn't heat up until the candidate's records are really dug through and the opposition finds the "controversial" material



From what I have been reading throughout the day, she doesn't have much of a paper trail. Not being a federal court judge helps that a lot, and apparently a lot of her writings are not ideological. One of the sites I like to visit, SCOTUSblog.com, seems to think that the process will be easier from the standpoint that she was already confirmed once to be the Solicitor General (with Bi-Partisian support) so she shouldn't have too much of an issue getting through Confirmation again.

What I will be most interested in, is if she is confirmed, how many cases will she recuse herself from next term as a result of her time as the S.G.



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11718 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

Quoting desertjets (Reply 28):
Justice Alito

B.A. Princeton University
J.D. Yale Law School

Chief Justice Roberts

A.B. Harvard College
J.D. Harvard Law School

Justice Scalia

B.A. Georgetown University
J.D. Harvard Law School

That's all well and good, but when anyone on the "left" is shown to have any kind of degree from Ivy League schools, they are an elitist. Why are these terms used only to fit the right-wing/tea people's arguments?



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User currently onlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11418 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3545 times:

Quoting newark777 (Reply 18):
It's the liberals that take a "living document" view of the Constitution, not interpreting it as written.

Wrong. This is conservative diatribe that they've managed to convince people as true. BOTH parties want a living constitution, as in, both parties want to interpret the constitution to encompass their idea of right and wrong. The only difference is that conservatives are better at lying about it. They will say they want strict construction, but then they won't actually apply strict construction.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 24):
The administration is essentially top to bottom far left operators.... serious students of leftist ideology.

The only people that would make that absurd allegation are people who have not ever studied leftist ideology.



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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3501 times:

Something interesting to consider... When Kagan is confirmed, the court will consist of 6 graduates of Harvard Law School and 3 graduates of Yale Law School.


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User currently onlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11418 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3480 times:

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 27):
Something interesting to consider... When Kagan is confirmed, the court will consist of 6 graduates of Harvard Law School and 3 graduates of Yale Law School.

I don't understand why that bothers people so much. These are two of the best law schools in the nation. The pinnacle. Don't we want our top judges to come from pinnacle schools?



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8324 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3459 times:

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 27):
Something interesting to consider... When Kagan is confirmed, the court will consist of 6 graduates of Harvard Law School and 3 graduates of Yale Law School.

Almost as interesting as 6 men and 3 women.  


User currently offlinedesertjets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7785 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 29):
I don't understand why that bothers people so much. These are two of the best law schools in the nation. The pinnacle. Don't we want our top judges to come from pinnacle schools?

It doesn't bother me either. The legal profession is heavily based upon reputation and it is heavily based upon where you went. If you want a job as a law professor, a prestigious clerkship, and/or a future seat on the bench (appellate level) you need to be coming out of a top 20 or top 10 ranked law school.... no ifs ands or buts. I doubt any of Kagan's Harvard Law classmates are working for Jacoby & Meyers.



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User currently offlinen229nw From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1962 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 27):
Something interesting to consider... When Kagan is confirmed, the court will consist of 6 graduates of Harvard Law School and 3 graduates of Yale Law School.
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 30):
Almost as interesting as 6 men and 3 women.

And while we are on interesting 6-3 statistics, there will be 6 Catholics and 3 Jews (Stevens was the last protestant on the court!)



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User currently onlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11418 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3340 times:

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 32):
Doesn't bother me in the slightest, but there are a lot more than two top-notch law schools in the US. It's just a bit weird that all 9 would come from the same two schools.

Yes, but those two are the places that you would most likely find the best of the best.

For what it's worth, I didn't go to either. I went to a school that competes with them, though most people with the choice of Harvard and Yale go there.

I guess what I'm saying is that I just don't find it a big whoop. My school has produced SCOTUS justices too, just not any right now. We've got plenty of other federal judges, so I just dont see the big deal.



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7309 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3146 times:
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I find it comical she worked for Goldman Sachs. The timing couldn't be more radioactive to her confirmation hearing(s). http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504365_162-20004522-504365.html


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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

Fellows , I apologize for taking the thread off track ... by going on with my definition of communism. I do not believe Kagan is a communist ... if you look back you will see I said .."for all we know".

I believe she is a leftist ... but that is perfectly within her rights . And the President is completely justified in nominating her... I have no issue with it other than a ideological disagreement.

As far as Harry Reid goes ... well I just dislike the man .... allot ,,and would not walk down the same sidewalk he is on...



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25 N1120A : They come up with BS terms like "originalism." The idea of strict construction actually lends itself well to a living constitution. After all, "Congr
26 Post contains images OA412 : Shame on you DLX for not understanding that these schools are the pinnacle...of liberalism and elitism... And therein lies the reason why some people
27 Post contains links flanker : Shes a joke. This president and his nominees are a complete joke as well. How can you nominate someone to the SC that does not understand the United S
28 OA412 : Based upon what? Your proof that she does not understand the US Constitution is what? I take it you are a constitutional scholar who has adequately e
29 Post contains links tugger : No, we're not, the USA is actually a "constitutional republic". But the funny thing is that most "conservatives" are constantly fighting against that
30 Post contains images EA772LR : Well considering we have the village idiot as POTUS, never mind the fact that he's beyond left, I'd expect much worse from him. Kagan certainly wouldn
31 OA412 : If you look at Wikipedia under liberal democracy/constitutional democracy, it lists the US as one such example. Regardless, we are indeed a type of c
32 Post contains images EA772LR : I get a kick out of the people who buy into Obama being some kind of intellectual. He's an idiot that reads a teleprompter, and when it's not on it's
33 Post contains links AeroWesty : Oh dear, looks like Andrew Sullivan has a case of Lesbian Panic. I really can't think of a single reason why Kagan's sexuality should be of any concer
34 cws818 : EA772LR, You are an incredibly smart guy, but you are getting carried away here. Obama has a B.A. and a J.D. He is obviously well educated - he has a
35 AGM100 : She certainly does ! I heard the Audio yesterday of her comments about Barack ,,,, OMG she goes on and on about his intelligence , handsome looks , c
36 Post contains links Dreadnought : Redstate managed to put up her thesis, but Princeton had them pull it down off the internet, claiming copyright. However there are some extracts here:
37 Post contains links santosdumont : Not one to sit on the sidelines, Pat Buchanan is sounding the alarm about the possibility of, in his view, a Jew-heavy supreme Court: http://www.wnd.c
38 tugger : It's clear in the PAST TENSE. It was also clear that G.W Bush was an alcoholic and a party boy in his younger days, and that Ronald Reagan was a libe
39 MD-90 : All Catholic or Jewish, as well. No Protestants on the USSC any more.
40 Post contains images AGM100 : How old fashioned Dreadnought ..... you say that like its a bad thing . Come on man ...get on the Change Train ! The charade that is being played by
41 FlyPNS1 : The President never said this....you are lying. The Right has vehemently opposed gay rights, women's rights and minorities rights, so I don't think t
42 Post contains links santosdumont : So the former dean of Harvard Law is just another collaborator in a Maoist plot to force everyone to carry around a little red book and ultimately bo
43 Post contains links Dreadnought : If you read her thesis, you would see that she does indeed subscribe to socialism. Your conspiracy theory is your own. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
44 santosdumont : And? So did Mitterand and so does the current Spanish prime minister. Would that it were my own... There was that bygone trait that we once called "c
45 AGM100 : Its not a conspiracy ... its a full blown political movement. Its not little red books and secret meetings .... its a world wide rise of socialism ..
46 Post contains images EA772LR : That's not saying much my friend GWB wasn't exactly a sharp tool either! The only thing I strongly supported GWB on was his stance on the War on Terr
47 santosdumont : Who? Dark-skinned types? "Elite" intellectuals who are actually shape-shifting reptiles? The Jews? So it's actually worse? As in "Black Helicopter" w
48 EA772LR : Well what happened to the media under Clinton and Bush? They licked the ground beneath Clinton's feet, and did everything but piss in GWB's face. The
49 FlyPNS1 : Yes and no. Certainly in that era, the information we got was more limited and tightly controlled which was probably a bad thing. However, we also di
50 FlyPNS1 : They spent the better part of 2 years obsessing about Clinton getting a BJ in the White House. It was hardly favorable coverage. The media barely que
51 AGM100 : Haha ya ...right . He is losing the press battle (PR )and feels threatened ... he spent the whole speech telling them how to think. Then slipped it t
52 Post contains links santosdumont : You obviously slept through the Lewinsky saga. You obviously missed the gleeful, headlong media rush to war in Iraq. Oh, after you. The opposition is
53 luckyone : Well I don't NEED a driver's license to operate a moving vehicle. The consequences of not having one and the chances of me succeeding are less than o
54 Post contains images AGM100 : You are absolutely correct .... we find ourselves in a curious and dangerous situation . Beset by left wing radicals who are manipulating the system
55 santosdumont : What better way to fight these fictitious "radicals" than with level-headed Jeffersonian principles? So conservatives now must agree with Sarah Palin
56 EA772LR : Of course. The writing is not just on the wall, it's practically painted on the foreheads of all the incumbents. Both Republican and Democrat alike a
57 Post contains images D L X : *ahem* *Sestak* *ahem* *Blanche Lincoln* Which Democrat has been replaced by a more conservative one? Now, if you were to say that it's been for cand
58 seb146 : Did I read the same things you posted? Where exactly does it say she is a "socialist?" Where exactly does it say she is sad about the "failure" of "s
59 luckyone : What does that have to with what Obama is saying with regards to Kagan's confirmation...Perhaps you should finish reading people's posts.
60 seb146 : Oh, I did read the entire post. It just really irritates me when this guy does something that the previous administration was praised for and is now
61 EA772LR : Sestak is pretty Liberal. I'll give you that. Arlen Specter needed to go anyway. The elections back in January in Virginia, New Jersey, Massachusetts
62 D L X : Okay, then you weren't clear. Those three democrats were not replaced by more conservative democrats. They did not lose primary battles. But if those
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