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Cubans Must Have The Worlds Best Mechanics?  
User currently offlinemirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6915 times:
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With so many older American cars that essentially remain there, I can't imagine the intuition and savvy that goes to keeping those cars running.

http://www.wliw.org/productions/trav...classic-american-cars-of-cuba/342/


I mean, in the US, we've become such a disposable society and yet Cuba is keeping these beauties running. how do they do it?! I know most of it is piecemeal and done to the detriment of purists, but you have to give them a lot of credit!


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User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1660 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6859 times:

Quoting mirrodie (Thread starter):
With so many older American cars that essentially remain there, I can't imagine the intuition and savvy that goes to keeping those cars running.

Really? its not very hard. Necessity is the mother of invention. You can find that type of thing all over the world.



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6815 times:

Quoting flanker (Reply 1):
Really? its not very hard. Necessity is the mother of invention. You can find that type of thing all over the world.

True. But that's a skill that seems to have disappeared in the US IMO. For most people nowadays, the rule is: if it's broke, buy a new one.


User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2852 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6797 times:

Quoting mirrodie (Thread starter):
I mean, in the US, we've become such a disposable society and yet Cuba is keeping these beauties running

Well, we are a disposable society I agree, and somehow we can afford it, but they can't, and if they keep those "beauties" running is really not because they want to, but because it's the only thing they have.

I remember watching an episode of "Clarkson's Motorworld" he went to Cuba to sample some of the "creations" like a bycicle with a leafblower engine, or the guy who makes brake fluid by mixing Shampoo with sugar and alcohol...

Quoting flanker (Reply 1):
Necessity is the mother of invention

There you go... well said.

MIAspotter



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40065 posts, RR: 74
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6781 times:

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 3):
they keep those "beauties" running is really not because they want to, but because it's the only thing they have.

When I was in Cuba, I saw many newer Russian, German, Japanese and other non-American made imports. Granted most Cubans can't afford them.
What is interesting is that I didn't see too many old German and Japanese cars.
Several Cubans told me that they prefer to buy an old American car than a new Lada or Skoda.
My ride from Jose Marti International airport was in a brand new Lada.
A total heep of garbage that bottomed out on every pothole.
My ride back to the airport was in a 1947 Plymouth.
Even though it was totally beat up and had a kitchen linoleum floor, it still ran better and was way more comfortable than the brand new (2001 at the time) Lada.



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User currently offlineafterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6702 times:

I read somewhere that the engines under the hoods of those American classics are not the original ones anymore. Is that true?

User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1660 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6685 times:

Quoting afterburner (Reply 5):
I read somewhere that the engines under the hoods of those American classics are not the original ones anymore. Is that true?

Some are some aren't. Those cars are not all original, obviously they use parts from other cars and fabricate others themselves.



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User currently offlineAA757MIA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6658 times:

If you ever go to Miami, try to get in touch with a cuban (the shorter he's been here the better), they have all kind of incredible stories from the island.

User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3359 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6605 times:

Quoting AA757MIA (Reply 7):
If you ever go to Miami, try to get in touch with a cuban (the shorter he's been here the better), they have all kind of incredible stories from the island.

Not to mention, for all currency lovers, they may have Cuban pesos and convertible pesos which they may part with. In Orlando I went to a Cuban restaurant and the owner was good enough to give me three different bills (two were Cuban pesos and one was a convertible peso).



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7806 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6556 times:

Quoting afterburner (Reply 5):
I read somewhere that the engines under the hoods of those American classics are not the original ones anymore. Is that true?

I was told that under the bonnet of most of the American classics is a 1.3 or 1.5 litre Lada engine.


User currently offlineafterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6517 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
My ride back to the airport was in a 1947 Plymouth.
Even though it was totally beat up and had a kitchen linoleum floor, it still ran better and was way more comfortable than the brand new (2001 at the time) Lada.
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 9):
I was told that under the bonnet of most of the American classics is a 1.3 or 1.5 litre Lada engine.

So Superfly might have ridden a Lada-powered Plymouth. 


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15828 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6497 times:

Quoting mirrodie (Thread starter):
I can't imagine the intuition and savvy that goes to keeping those cars running.

I don't think that is necessarily true. Those cars are pretty simple by modern standards. It takes some work and creativity for sure, but I don't think that one would need to be exceptionally talented to keep them running.

For one thing, usually the best thing said about American vehicles in WWII was that the average farm boy GI could fix them.

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 3):
I remember watching an episode of "Clarkson's Motorworld" he went to Cuba to sample some of the "creations" like a bycicle with a leafblower engine, or the guy who makes brake fluid by mixing Shampoo with sugar and alcohol...

Soichiro Honda's first (full) products were motorized bicycles.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
Several Cubans told me that they prefer to buy an old American car than a new Lada or Skoda.

Having seen my fair share of Top Gear, I think I agree with them.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40065 posts, RR: 74
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6444 times:

Quoting flanker (Reply 6):
Quoting afterburner (Reply 5):
I read somewhere that the engines under the hoods of those American classics are not the original ones anymore. Is that true?

Some are some aren't. Those cars are not all original, obviously they use parts from other cars and fabricate others themselves.

Some are original, some are rebuilds but most are diesel truck engines. They're most likely to be Zil or some other Russian truck engines. Many sound like diesels and have black smoke exhaust just like a diesel.

Quoting AA757MIA (Reply 7):
If you ever go to Miami, try to get in touch with a cuban (the shorter he's been here the better), they have all kind of incredible stories from the island.

...or even better. Go directly to Cuba and see for yourself rather than relying on someone else's "story".

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 9):
I was told that under the bonnet of most of the American classics is a 1.3 or 1.5 litre Lada engine.

You were told wrong.


http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/PlymouthTaxi.jpg

Here is a late 1940s Plymouth I rode in powered by a diesel truck engine with a 3 on the tree manual transmission.



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User currently offlinemirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6319 times:
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Cool shot. Got anymore car shots from yonder?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):
Go directly to Cuba and see for yourself rather than relying on someone else's "story".

True. I have to get down to my roots there sometime.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40065 posts, RR: 74
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6308 times:

Quoting mirrodie (Reply 13):
I have to get down to my roots there sometime.

You're Cuban?

Quoting mirrodie (Reply 13):
Cool shot. Got anymore car shots from yonder?

They're all in my trip report.
At the time, I was still using a film camera and had to ration the amount of photos I took.

This photo is still my favorite on this trip.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/HavanaSkyline.jpg



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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6307 times:

Quoting mirrodie (Thread starter):
With so many older American cars that essentially remain there, I can't imagine the intuition and savvy that goes to keeping those cars running.

Come to Africa, man. You'll see things you would be amazed can keep going!

I do love seeing the older cars in Cuba though.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7806 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6250 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):
You were told wrong.

It was a Cuban who told me, I'll believe him.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20333 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6176 times:

The Cubans aren't the only ones.

Checked out any Iranian air carrier lately? They manage to keep those dinosaurs flying and flyable and it's impressive that they do.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40065 posts, RR: 74
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6138 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 18):
I fail to see why a Cuban would lie about the engine in his car.

I think a certain member here is making stuff up just for the sake of having an argument.   
Think about it. A 1.3 or 1.5 liter engine can barely move a 2100 pound Lada, so how would it be able to move a 5000 American car from the 1940s & 50s?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):
The Cubans aren't the only ones.

Checked out any Iranian air carrier lately? They manage to keep those dinosaurs flying and flyable and it's impressive that they do.

Hell, me & KevinL1011 brought back to life a car that's entire engine bay caught on fire.

Fabulous Fords Forever - A.net Car Show Meet. (by kevinl1011 Apr 17 2010 in Non Aviation)#1


There would be lots more classic cars on the road that can live it's intended useful life if states like California didn't have such oppressive emissions laws that have forced many people to give up perfectly good running cars.



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User currently offlinephotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2821 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6127 times:

Here guys. I spend a lot of time in Cuba, mostly Havana and these are just some of the old car images I have taken over the last dozen years.

Enjoy.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Steve_YYZ/Habana%20-%20Dusk%20to%20Dawn/CentroCaronNightStreet.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Steve_YYZ/Habana%20-%20Dusk%20to%20Dawn/NighStreetinCentro-3.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Steve_YYZ/2008_Trip/StreetScene3.jpg/2008_Trip/StreetScene3.jpg" border="0"/>

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Steve_YYZ/2008_Trip/OldCars.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Steve_YYZ/2008_Trip/SpeedingOldCar.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Steve_YYZ/2008_Trip/TheTaxibw-1.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Steve_YYZ/2008_Trip/OldFord.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Steve_YYZ/2008_Trip/Old-Car2.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Steve_YYZ/2008_Trip/GranCar1955Desoto.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Steve_YYZ/Cuba_Photos/gas-stn-1.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Steve_YYZ/Cuba_Photos/capitolo.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Steve_YYZ/Cuba_Photos/Rainy_old_cars.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Steve_YYZ/Cuba_Photos/Ridinginoldcar.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Steve_YYZ/Cuba_Photos/OldBuick.jpg

[Edited 2010-05-10 15:43:00]

[Edited 2010-05-10 15:54:50]

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40065 posts, RR: 74
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6092 times:

Quoting photopilot (Reply 21):
Here guys. I spend a lot of time in Cuba, mostly Havana and these are just some of the old car images I have taken over the last dozen years.

Enjoy.

Those are some beautiful photos!  
I especially like the 1955 convertible DeSoto in front of Hotel Nacional.

That 24 horas Servi gas station looks just like the one James Bond fueled up his car/fighter jet in the movie Octopussy.



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User currently offlinephotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2821 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6070 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 25):
That 24 horas Servi gas station looks just like the one James Bond fueled up his car/fighter jet in the movie Octopussy.

It's in the town of Nueva Gerona on the Special Municipality of Isla de la Juventud off Cuba's south coast.

Cuba (politics aside) is an amazing country to photograph in just because it's almost like being in a time-warp. There's great subject material for cameras no matter which way you look.


User currently offlinemirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 6018 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
You're Cuban?

Part, on one side of the family. Still have some elders there.

GREAT photos, Photopilot! I'm blown away!



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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5613 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5944 times:

Photopilot, exceptional camera work. I am especially fond of your night-time ambient shots!


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User currently offlineAA757MIA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5939 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
Think about it. A 1.3 or 1.5 liter engine can barely move a 2100 pound Lada, so how would it be able to move a 5000 American car from the 1940s & 50s?

If they could do this, I believe anything...  

[Edited 2010-05-10 21:24:43]

25 Superfly : I'm almost positive that's not powered by a rinky-dink Lada 4-banger.
26 AA757MIA : Haha! I'm not saying that, but if they could make it to FL on a 51 Chevy truck boat, I don't see why they can not have a Lada engine pushing a 5000-l
27 Superfly : If Lada makes a large diesel engine, then yes that is very possible.
28 JJJ : The GAZelle vans and trucks used to have Russian-made diesels (3-litre IIRC). Now they come with Iveco diesels, but surely there're still a lot old G
29 Superfly : Thanks for the info. That is what I had suspected.
30 Post contains images RayChuang : One of the potential downsides of normalization of relations between the USA and Cuba--which could happen once Fidel Castro passes away--is that all t
31 Superfly : ...or even worse. Toyota Prius, Honda Elements, Lexus RX-series, BMW M-classes and other boring & mundane crap that seems to be so popular here.
32 sw733 : It's starting to happen, I have seen many modern cars in Cuba. There is no reason that VW and Fiat cannot already sell their cars in Cuba, from my un
33 flanker : Sorry but I wouldn't call an M boring.
34 Superfly : Ooops, I meant to type X-class. They already do.
35 Post contains images sw733 : I know, that's why I said Your 10 year old a.net eyes are getting a little foggy
36 Post contains links and images photopilot : Ok guys, I'll set a few things straight. First off, the old cars have been officially declared "Patrimonial Items" and it is against the law to expor
37 Post contains images Superfly : Ooops, I guess I am just getting old. Agreed! Your photos are incredible! Post more!
38 Post contains links and images photopilot : Ok, here's a few more images. From sunset through to sunrise all in Havana. [Edited 2010-05-11 14:43:31]
39 IH8BY : Some striking images Photopilot - many thanks indeed for posting them! I'd say it's probably not fair to compare Skoda and Lada (even taking into acco
40 Post contains images Superfly : I am really kicking myself in the arse for not bringing more film on that trip and taking more pictures. I regret not getting a photo of the buses th
41 Post contains links and images photopilot : Ahhhh.... the infamous Camel. The ubiquitous El Camello (the Camel) Metrobus. The nickname is well deserved because of it's two hump appearance. Thes
42 Superfly : That would be it! I think it only cost 1 peso to ride. This was before they went to a new currency. We were packed in like sardines. I never forget t
43 Post contains links and images photopilot : Yes, flown Cubana many times, both International and Domestic. On the YYZ/HAV route they now use A-320's (wet lease from Groupo TACA in Costa Rica) b
44 Post contains images Superfly : You flew on a cargo plane? I flew there & back on their IL-62.
45 photopilot : Ouch... I've just had a "Senior's Moment" and you are indeed correct. It was an IL-62. Shouldn't have guessed on the number. Thanks for the correctio
46 Post contains links and images Superfly : They still have one left in their fleet. The one I flew on blew out an engine in flight recently. Here is the report in English: http://aviation-safe
47 mirrodie : LArry and Stephen some great stories to go with some fantastic images!
48 RayChuang : I think the reason why Volkswagen and Fiat will quickly jump into the Cuban market once the US embargo ends is because both VW and Fiat already have c
49 photopilot : You know, there's one thing that so many people just don't seem to understand. The US Embargo (Blockade) of Cuba has absolutely NOTHING to do with in
50 sw733 : Not to mention the money issue...few Cubans can afford a brand new VW, Fiat, etc.
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