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F1 2010: Monaco Grand Prix!  
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6247 times:

Here it comes!
The Monaco Grand Prix!
The most famous, most exciting, most ultimate and best-est Formula 1 Grand Prix in the world!

Formula 1 is back in town!

The racing track map:

http://www.acm.mc/gpm/2010/docs/plan_situation_tribunes_2010.pdf

The official program of events:

http://www.formula1monaco.com/doc/prog_gp2010.pdf

just as if you were there!

You have it all - street racing at its best:
tight corners, multiple elevation changes, hair pin turns, straight lines, the tunnel, chicanes, emerging from the tunnel at the fastest point of the track and getting from darkness into full daylight...

and most of all a forecast of rain, maybe even heavy rain during the 3 days
not to forget the beautiful Monte Carlo Harbour and a fabulous backdrop with the Rocher and the Princely Palace.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/CDG1/forums%20mix/P1160224-1.jpg

So... who will get the win this time? Ferrari and Alonso? The Red Bulls? A one-two by the two McLarens?

Get ready for what promises to be the most exciting race of the 2010 season!

Go Monaco!

        


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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2869 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6222 times:

Monaco is so particular that it's difficult to guess who might be favourite!

I think that Mercedes, with their longer wheelbase, will not be at ease. At least not as much as they would have been with their previous car.



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2693 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6201 times:
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In the past couple of seasons, Williams have excelled in slow, high downforce circuits, best evidenced by Rosberg's 2nd place in Singapore a couple of years back. With new parts having just arrived, I think that both Williams will be in the points ... or am I being overly optimistic?

Monaco is another one of those tracks where overtaking is nigh on impossible, so getting pole is vitally important. I can't see anyone but a Red Bull scoring pole, given that they have the quickest car by some margin. I hope it's Vettel  



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4881 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6192 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 2):
I think that both Williams will be in the points ... or am I being overly optimistic?

You are being optimistic. The team will beat each other up (or kill each other) before they get a chance to fit the parts to the car...   (After seeing the goings on at Williams in Spain where there were so fierce arguments).

Maybe the drivers can work on the cars themselves.  

But being serious, it's sad to see one of the old names of the GP scene in such a terrible state.

I think Mercedes, if it rains should be okay with Schumacher at the wheel, he's pretty good in the rain - and the car seems more to his liking now. But I won't predict wins - the Mercedes car is far too slow for that. But if they keep out of trouble, who knows what might happen.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7810 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6192 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
The most famous, most exciting, most ultimate and best-est Formula 1 Grand Prix in the world!

I'll give you the most famous, but most exciting, most ultimate and best-est it certainly is not, F1 cars out grew Monaco at least 20-30 years ago, the FIA just haven't had the guts to cut it from the schedule. It's boring, most of the winners are the bloke who gets pole, it's basically a procession from start to finish, the only time the order changes is during pit stops or if someone crashes out.

Monaco needs to be widened to allow more overtaking opportunities but since it's stuck in that overpriced pretentious city nothing can be done to improve the track without demolishing some of those ugly commie blocks that people live in. Basically we are stuck with an F1 race on a track that's outdated and no longer suitable for F1, that said Monaco would probably make a great track for the WTCC or the DTM, street circuits and touring cars are made for each other.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2869 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6181 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 4):
I'll give you the most famous, but most exciting, most ultimate and best-est it certainly is not, F1 cars out grew Monaco at least 20-30 years ago, the FIA just haven't had the guts to cut it from the schedule. It's boring, most of the winners are the bloke who gets pole, it's basically a procession from start to finish, the only time the order changes is during pit stops or if someone crashes out.

Monaco needs to be widened to allow more overtaking opportunities but since it's stuck in that overpriced pretentious city nothing can be done to improve the track without demolishing some of those ugly commie blocks that people live in. Basically we are stuck with an F1 race on a track that's outdated and no longer suitable for F1, that said Monaco would probably make a great track for the WTCC or the DTM, street circuits and touring cars are made for each other.

Monaco is and will remain the most attractive, most famous and most prestigious race in the F1 calendar. Its fame equals Le Mans and Indianapolis. Removing it from the calendar would be a major setback for this discipline. I prefer 1 billion times a GP in Monaco than in fricking Bahrain or Abu Dhabi!!

And you mention that "it's a procession from start to finish, the only time the order changes is during pit stops or is someone crashes out", but hey, it's basically the same thing on most of the tracks nowadays (especially the new ones). Because they have so much downforce and so much electronics, F1s struggle to overtake. Last example is Button trying several times to overtake Schumacher yesterday, despite being faster by a handful of km/h.

Barhain and Barcelona have been plain boring. Australia, Malaysia and China have been more exciting, but it was only because the rain.

It seems that, nowadays, only the rain can spice up GPs.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6161 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 5):
It seems that, nowadays, only the rain can spice up GPs.

Chances of rain for this coming Monaco Grand Prix are pretty good, really.
Maybe even big fat rain storms. I would love to see this!
More chances of a big fat rainstorm on Saturday, still chances of rain on Sunday.
It will certainly spice up the race if the rain is here!



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17142 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6143 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
Maybe even big fat rain storms. I would love to see this!



That wouldnt be good. We will probably see the SC out if it rains too heavy.



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6131 times:

I'd like to chime in on this arguement with a couple of notes and questions:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 4):
It's boring, most of the winners are the bloke who gets pole, it's basically a procession from start to finish, the only time the order changes is during pit stops or if someone crashes out.

Rob, question, Have you ever been to Monaco?

I had a similar sense of the race and the place but then last year I went to Monte Carlo. I actually walked the entire circuit, and I must be completely honest. Every single time I think about this race, I am in awe at how an F1 car even gets around it in the first place. You may think its boring, and it could be a procession....but its an extremely calculated procession...

The best way to put it is, the circuit actually looks WIDER/BIGGER on TV then it really is. I could post pictures of the track if you care to see what I mean.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 5):
Barhain and Barcelona have been plain boring. Australia, Malaysia and China have been more exciting, but it was only because the rain.

I agree Rain makes things exciting, but I also must admit that A. had it been Hamilton he'd have got passed Schumi at Barcelona and B. The reason why it was exciting was because of the way they were forced to drive. But this time around I feel that Monaco has to ability to be exciting even in the dry...reasons:

1. New teams are off the pace. Which means that the front runners will be forced to get by one way or another.
2. New Drivers lack experience. Monaco is not for the newbies unless your name is Lewis Hamilton. How much practice can a new driver get if he's constantly looking in the mirrors waiting for a Red Bull to show up. And at this circuit if you look in your mirror you just might miss that turn
3. I am 100% positive there will be at least one safety car. With or without rain..
4. You forget about all the passing and craziness at the Hotel Hairpin. FYI...That's a scary corner even in a normal car. Especially when a bus is coming in the other direction :-P

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
More chances of a big fat rainstorm on Saturday, still chances of rain on Sunday.

If it rains too much I'm sure we'd see a red flag, which isn't fun. the track is prone to aquaplaning which could stop the race quickly. Lets hope for on and off showers just to confuse everyone.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17142 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6117 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 8):
I could post pictures of the track if you care to see what I mean.

You know, I would love to see those pics!



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7810 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6089 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 5):
Monaco is and will remain the most attractive, most famous and most prestigious race in the F1 calendar. Its fame equals Le Mans and Indianapolis. Removing it from the calendar would be a major setback for this discipline.

Never say never the Monte Carlo Rally was the highlight of the WRC and it was dropped from the calendar, Indy was messed up for a while due to the CART IRL split. SPA and Monza are both much better tracks with a very long history with F1, you don't need to keep Monaco just because it's been around a while, the track isn't suited to F1 and should be dropped, the race is a farce.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 5):
And you mention that "it's a procession from start to finish, the only time the order changes is during pit stops or is someone crashes out", but hey, it's basically the same thing on most of the tracks nowadays (especially the new ones). Because they have so much downforce and so much electronics, F1s struggle to overtake. Last example is Button trying several times to overtake Schumacher yesterday, despite being faster by a handful of km/h.

You are correct that is why I watched the SPA 1000km this weekend instead of the F1 race and will choose IRL over F1 any day, the drivers might not be as well know but the racing in both Sportscars and IRL is far in away more exciting than F1 has been since the 80's. Since the racing in IRL is so good I think F1 should follow it lead, not quite to standardised cars but to more common components, you could have a standardised tub with the teams being free to develop there own aero.

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 8):
Rob, question, Have you ever been to Monaco?

Yup been there, not to the race, but been to Monaco, which is why I think Monaco should be dumped from the F1 calendar, replace the F1 race with WTCC it would make a nice edition to the series, rather like a European version of Macau.


User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6089 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Here it comes!
The Monaco Grand Prix!
The most famous, most exciting, most ultimate and best-est Formula 1 Grand Prix in the world!

Formula 1 is back in town!

It's my favourite race of the year, and I am very much looking forward to it!   

Will you be sharing photos with us again this year?  
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 4):

Couldn't disagree more. You raise a few points, but what Monaco offers in comparison to most other tracks is prestige, history and glamour. Monaco is to F1 what Daytona is to NASCAR, Indianapolis is to IRL etc.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2869 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6075 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 10):
the race is a farce.

That's a bit harsh  Wow!
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 10):
that is why I watched the SPA 1000km this weekend instead of the F1

Me too! I almost made the trip to Belgium as some friends went there, but I did not have much money to spend.

The battle between Peugeot and Audi has been quite enjoyable to watch.



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User currently offlinecodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6060 times:

Can we have no Red Bull on P1 this time ? It will be hell of traffic for qualifying and the race.

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6058 times:

Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 11):
Will you be sharing photos with us again this year?

I will certainly do my best. I have got a different kind of ticket this time around. It should get me some interesting unusual viewings all over the track through racing time.

I will be out there tomorrow afternoon by the padddocks and the pit lane to get the latest info and see what's going on. I will certainly keep my ears and my eyes open. Then it will be every day until probably late Sunday night.

I really want to get signings this year and see my most favourite drivers, Hammy, Kamui and Pedro.

I think the most courted driver will be Shcumi, then Vettel and Webber, the Red Bull Boys. Also all the tifosi are always in Monaco so I expect there will be a crowd around Alonso and Felipe Massa.

Now let's see if the volcano will play his games on those who are planning to fly in.    



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6056 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 10):
the race is a farce.

Yeah, you must be right. Why else is this the race that all drivers want to win above all the other races on the calendar.
I can't say Monaco is the highlight of the season for me, but I would for sure not want to see it give way for some asian/middle east track in the middle of nowhere where the race is just as fun as watching paint dry.


Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 12):
some friends went there

You have friends!!!???  Wow!



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7810 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6055 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 12):
That's a bit harsh

Not really, the bloke on pole will probably win it, that's pretty much a farce isn't it.

Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 11):
You raise a few points, but what Monaco offers in comparison to most other tracks is prestige, history and glamour.

Prestige, history and glamour don't make up for a rubbish race, F1 has outgrown the track, continuing to race there is pointless. Winning Monaco isn't as great an achievement as winning Indy or Le Mans, all you have to do is get pole and make sure you don't get into any trouble during the race.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2869 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6044 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 15):
You have friends!!!???


  

Shhhhhhhhhh!!!   

I meant my imaginary friends, but keep it for yourself!   



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17142 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6037 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14):
I will certainly do my best. I have got a different kind of ticket this time around. It should get me some interesting unusual viewings all over the track through racing time



Really excited for the pics!

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14):
Now let's see if the volcano will play his games on those who are planning to fly in



Shouldnt cause many problems.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7810 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6009 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 15):
but I would for sure not want to see it give way for some asian/middle east track in the middle of nowhere where the race is just as fun as watching paint dry.

Replace Monaco with Imola, Estoril, Kyalami or Zandvoort, no need to use a boring Tilke designed track.

I agree all of the Hermann Tilke tracks are as boring as watching paint dry or grass grow, it's a pity we didn't realise that Tilke was a poor designer of race tracks after the mess he made of the Osterreichring when he butchered it and turned it into the A1-Ring. In fact I would say Tilke is one of the people responsible for the poor state of F1 today, it's not just the cars its the tracks as well


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5996 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 19):
Replace Monaco with Imola, Estoril, Kyalami or Zandvoort, no need to use a boring Tilke designed track.

It wont happen and we both know it. Monaco will stay as it's a matter of prestige only to be able to race their for any driver. If Monaco were to be taken off the calendar, I can almost bet you that it would more or less be a reason on it's own to create a breakaway serie. The Monaco GP will stay. But you are entitled to your opinon as it's a matter of taste.
But I do not agree that the pole sitter is the one winning the race. Monaco is all about strategy, but if one is not able to see and enjoy it, then I can understand why you want Monaco to be scrapped.
However, with this years fule regulation I think it will be a different story.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5897 times:

Big news. There is now a change in the weather forecast.

Rain on Thursday.
Sunny on Saturday and Sunday.

Let's see if the weather predictions will change again before the weekend.

     



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4881 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5865 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 16):
Prestige, history and glamour don't make up for a rubbish race, F1 has outgrown the track, continuing to race there is pointless. Winning Monaco isn't as great an achievement as winning Indy or Le Mans, all you have to do is get pole and make sure you don't get into any trouble during the race.

What it does do is make the F1 drivers earn their money. It's a tough circuit, the slightest loss of concentration for a moment can end in disaster.


User currently offlinewaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5856 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 8):
A. had it been Hamilton he'd have got passed Schumi at Barcelona

People keep saying this, but what's the point? Yes, Hammy is generally a more aggressive driver than Button, but that doesn't mean he would have made the pass. Schumi is terribly hard to get by, and methinks that if Lewis were to have tried any more than Jenson, he would have either been run off the road or crashed himself and possibly MSC out of contention. Anyway, it's a matter of pure conjecture. In Button's defense, everyone goes off on how bad he is at passing people, but we all forget his drive in Brazil last year with the title on the line. He excelled and passed many cars to do what he needed to do to win his title.


User currently offlineScooter01 From Norway, joined Nov 2006, 1213 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5839 times:
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Reading this thread for the last few days really makes me want to make these comments (for whatever they are worth)
MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
not to forget the beautiful Monte Carlo Harbour and a fabulous backdrop with the Rocher and the Princely Palace.
Nice boats in the picture. Guess the M/Y RADIANT won't be there 'cause I saw her arriving here in Oslo yesterday. Maybe just as well -since the noise would probably set off some of her self-defence mechanisms....


Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 4):

I'll give you the most famous, but most exciting, most ultimate and best-est it certainly is not, F1 cars out grew Monaco at least 20-30 years ago, the FIA just haven't had the guts to cut it from the schedule. It's boring, most of the winners are the bloke who gets pole, it's basically a procession from start to finish, the only time the order changes is during pit stops or if someone crashes out.

I agree...


Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 5):
Monaco is and will remain the most attractive, most famous and most prestigious race in the F1 calendar. Its fame equals Le Mans and Indianapolis. Removing it from the calendar would be a major setback for this discipline. I prefer 1 billion times a GP in Monaco than in fricking Bahrain or Abu Dhabi!!

And you mention that "it's a procession from start to finish, the only time the order changes is during pit stops or is someone crashes out", but hey, it's basically the same thing on most of the tracks nowadays (especially the new ones). Because they have so much downforce and so much electronics, F1s struggle to overtake. Last example is Button trying several times to overtake Schumacher yesterday, despite being faster by a handful of km/h.

Hey, it's a street race, what do you expect?


Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
Chances of rain for this coming Monaco Grand Prix are pretty good, really.

Too bad there are no streetcar-tracks in Monaco to negotiate...


Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 8):
New Drivers lack experience. Monaco is not for the newbies unless your name is Lewis Hamilton. How much practice can a new driver get if he's constantly looking in the mirrors waiting for a Red Bull to show up. And at this circuit if you look in your mirror you just might miss that turn

-Some of these guys actually live in Monaco -talk about "Home-track advantage"...


Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 10):
the race is a farce.

-Agreed


Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 10):
You are correct that is why I watched the SPA 1000km this weekend instead of the F1 race and will choose IRL over F1 any day, the drivers might not be as well know but the racing in both Sportscars and IRL is far in away more exciting than F1 has been since the 80's.

Real Racedrivers can drive any real racecar in any series, just look at Jackie Ickx, Manfred Winklehock, Hans Stuck etc....


Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 19):
Replace Monaco with Imola, Estoril, Kyalami or Zandvoort, no need to use a boring Tilke designed track.

I feel like the Monaco Grand Prix should stay -in a Vintage Racing Series..
(I'm not knocking Monterey...)


Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 19):
Replace Monaco with Imola, Estoril, Kyalami or Zandvoort, no need to use a boring Tilke designed track.

-now we are getting somewhere. -Anyone who has spent a race-day at the rolling hills of Mosport, Watkins Glen or Saint-Jovite/Mt.Tremblant knows what I mean.


Quoting sudden (Reply 20):
It wont happen and we both know it. Monaco will stay as it's a matter of prestige only to be able to race their for any driver.

As my favourite Racing driver once said "There are RACECARIDRIVERS and people who drive racecars"...


Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 5):
It seems that, nowadays, only the rain can spice up GPs.

Not quite, this is how it endeed up in '82 :
The race featured possibly the most eventful end to a Grand Prix ever (comparable but in a different way to the 1979 French Grand Prix): on the last 2 laps of the race, 5 race leaders went off, but 1 recovered. By lap 74, when a light rain began, Alain Prost was leading, and then crashed into the Armco barriers coming out of the Chicane du Port (also known as the Dog Leg). On lap 75, Riccardo Patrese led, spun and stalled at Loews. On the last lap, Didier Pironi led into the tunnel and ran out of fuel, Andrea de Cesaris also ran out of fuel before he could take over the lead, and Derek Daly, the next leader, already had a car with no front or back wing- and then a damaged gearbox which seized up before he could start the final lap. Patrese, who had managed to restart his car by rolling downhill and bump-starting, won the race. Pironi and de Cesaris were classified 2nd and 3rd, with Daly sixth. BBC commentator and 1976 world champion James Hunt famously commented:
"Well we've got this ridiculous situation where we're all sitting by the start-finish line waiting for a winner to come past and we don't seem to be getting one"

...and WHO will ever forget the tire-toucing, rubber burning RACE for 2nd place in Dijon '79

May the BEST driver win!


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"We all have a girl and her name is nostalgia" - Hemingway
25 Post contains links Stealthz : Not anyone that saw it!! For those with short memories or too young to have witnessed real racing... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl2tIFxSEGA The c
26 aerobalance : Monaco...Makes qualifying that much more important, and for me, more exciting than the race...
27 sudden : And your point is??? Seriously, that quote holds less to nothing of valuable information. GrahamHill wrote nowadays, and you go on about -79 and -82.
28 KiwiRob : Drivers would still earn the same money if Monaco was in our out of the championship. Any loss of concentration in any racecar on any circuit anywher
29 MadameConcorde : Go tell this to Prince Albert and to the whole F1 organisation. I don't think you will have much success. I will be spending time around the GP site
30 GrahamHill : I was talking about the vast majority of the circuits, and especially the Tilke ones. What does that mean? You're talking about drivers of another ag
31 sudden : Now we know what you think and feel about Monaco, so lets get off your high horse and get real. No matter how much you complain, it wont be taken off
32 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Today's pictures. When I got there, Jenson Button was the first driver I got to see. Then I saw Kubica, but I did not have my camera on hand to get pi
33 Post contains images GrahamHill : Bravo! Thanks for sharing your pictures with us!! Could he be Marc Surer? He he he, nice
34 GrahamHill : First practice results: Pos Driver Team Time Laps 1. Alonso Ferrari 1:15.927 31 2. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1:16.000 + 0.073 26 3. Kubica Renault 1:16.
35 Post contains images sudden : Although the long wheel base, maybe Schumi will step up and show why he earned his 7 titles this weekend. And hopefully it is without "spinning" in th
36 Stealthz : It appears Mercedes have reverted to the short wheelbase configuration for this weekend. [Edited 2010-05-13 05:35:52]
37 sudden : Thanks for the update mate.
38 Post contains images mt99 : Im surprised your not saying that its a huge waste of Gasoline
39 Post contains links B747forever : P2 results: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2010/829/6732/ I watched practice 2 and I really enjoyed it. Love to see how they push their cars o
40 MadameConcorde : The races as TV does not give one millionth of the reality on site. It is simply undescribable. I love those raging Bulls and all the others too. Eve
41 Post contains images waterpolodan : Seems hard to believe that there is such a thing...
42 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Every large urban concentration has them, including Monaco. Posting a picture for Mark Webber fans. He gave me a friendly pat on my shoulder as he we
43 B747forever : Yeah, I am sure it is way more fantastic to be there. Looking forward to the pics.
44 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I have posted a number of them on the thread already.
45 B747forever : Yeah, have seen them. All are good. Thank you.
46 MIAspotter : Yay! I am going to be in IST on the same weekend of the F1, although I am not attending, hopefully I will be able to catch the race before my flight
47 MadameConcorde : Should be fine. I mean no rain. Just like today, a bit windy, rather cool for this time of the year, cold after sunset, cloudy but not too much. We s
48 Aesma : Big crash for Alonso ! The car is in bad shape.
49 Aesma : Best time for Kubica, bring it on ! The traffic is awful when everybody is on the track, Q1 will be a nightmare. There was almost nobody in the grands
50 Post contains images GrahamHill : It's very positive for Kubica. Let's see if he can confirm during the Qualifications. Me too
51 photopilot : Formula1.com is reporting that Alonso's chassis is too badly damaged for repair at the circuit so he will start from the pitrow in a new chassis. The
52 Post contains images B747forever : I am really saddened that Alonso wont be able to qualify. He has been quick through all practice sessions and now his chance for a win is zero
53 B747forever : Q3 will be really exciting. The times are so tight and Button barely made it to Q3.
54 bill142 : Massa could find himself with a penalty for blocking Button. Kubica is flying.
55 Post contains images GrahamHill : Pole position for Webber!! Kubica 2nd, fantastic result from him and Renault!!
56 B747forever : I am very impressed by Webber's performance. Never thought any of the Redbulls would get pole.
57 Post contains images cpd : Very naughty indeed from Massa, just completely ruined Button's lap. Amazing performance from the Red Bull's Mark Webber. It looks like he is really
58 bill142 : Vettels body language in the press conference is that of a man who is not happy being beaten.
59 flood : Well done, Kubica! Would have been great to see him on pole. Indeed a shame he wasn't able to partake in quali. On the upside, he may provide some goo
60 Stealthz : You don't get paid the big bucks for being a happy loser!! I am of the opinion that Seb is the team mate MW should have had several seasons ago, I th
61 Aesma : The slow motion cameras are impressive, on the kerbs the wheels vibrate so much ![Edited 2010-05-15 07:20:28]
62 Stealthz : Being pedantic, if you look closely the tyres distort and vibrate but the wheels do not. It illustrates what a large part of the "suspension" is in t
63 codeshare : I haven't seen the qualifying but a fantastic P2 for Kubica, maybe he can somehow squeeze past Webber ? KS/codeshare
64 Post contains images Aesma : I wrote the exact same thing on another forum, I was just simplifying You can still see some other parts vibrate, especially on the slow cars, but eve
65 sudden : Just awsome, and he was the one setting the standard in Q3. Webber was able to beat him at the very end though. hahaa.....well put!
66 waterpolodan : Though they weren't there in practice, never ever discount the team that was already 5 for 5 in qualifying this year. I figured at least one of them
67 MadameConcorde : The race today is still very open. There is no certainty as to who will win. Look what happened to Alonso. Great racing. It was wonderful to be so clo
68 KiwiRob : Hopefully for the better.
69 cpd : Don't think so - all it will do is cause a massive escalation of costs. I don't think it will change anything else. If anything, they'll probably fin
70 Aesma : The problem is that cars cannot follow each other, and that has little to do with the tires. Well, the new smaller front ones worsen the situation, in
71 B747forever : Alonso has done his mandatory pit stop to change the tires. Will he be able to drive on one set of tires for the whole race?
72 bill142 : Button out. Apparently McLaren left a blanker in on the radiator on the way to the grid which lead to the engine being cooked.
73 Post contains images Boeing74741R : MadameConcorde, thanks for uploading the photos, some very good ones there and it is one race I want to go watch in person above any other race. Seein
74 MIAspotter : My God! what a drive from Alonso! those moves.... MIAspotter.
75 B747forever : Yeah, Alonso is doing great so far.
76 B747forever : SC is out. Really pity for Webber.
77 Post contains images MIAspotter : Nasty crash for Rubens, I guess he will be penalized for throwing the steering wheel, and see how the Virgin takes it. Dangerous. Alonso is in the poi
78 B747forever : SC out once again. I feel sorry for Webber. Probably, he shouldnt have done that.
79 Post contains images GrahamHill : Congratulations to Webber!! First Aussie to win Monaco since sir Jack Brabham, 51 years ago! Great driving, fully deserved. Good result for Kubica as
80 EZEIZA : OK, after a few days of much needed holiday, I'm back and I was able to follow the entire race (Last week I saw no F1 at all). Webber; amazing. Despit
81 Post contains images B747forever : Congrats to Webber. He did a fantastic job. Alonso did a great race finishing 7th from last place however he could have finished 6th
82 Post contains images CXB77L : I'm disappointed that Vettel couldn't take the fight up to Webber. Why was he so slow? As the commentators mentioned, if it wasn't for the safety car,
83 EZEIZA : Schumi's 6th place is being investigated
84 Aesma : Alonso was pushing but some just let him pass, like Trulli.
85 t1210s : schumacher has been given a 20 second penalty and dropped back to 12th place what a load of bulls**t
86 Kit777 : Can't honestly believe Schumacher got a penalty, an absolute joke.. Ruined what was my favourite GP of the year..
87 Post contains links EZEIZA : from what I understand, if the race enters the last lap under SC, no one can overtake. "Article 40.13 of the Sporting Regulations, which states that
88 KiwiRob : What a yawn fest, pole position to win, typical crap race from Monaco. Something has to be done to sort out F1, this is just getting stupid, I'm start
89 Post contains images sudden : Strong performance by Webber, and this was simply his race. No one could get close to him today. Shumi's move on Alonso was a typical Schumi thingy. I
90 KiwiRob : Every so often I watch an F1 race (3-4 races per year max) in the hope that it will be what it's supposed to be, close wheel to wheel racing with plen
91 Post contains images waterpolodan : Yes, he made up lots of ground and managed a half decent finish, but he was passing cars that are 5 seconds + per lap slower than his, so in all hone
92 photopilot : I'd simply ban ALL aerodynamic downforce aids (underbody, etc) with the exception of a very small front and rear wing for balancing the car. No elect
93 Post contains images MadameConcorde : You are more than welcome. The best is yet to come! Got so much I don't know how I am going to organize this. I really enjoyed the day. I met face to
94 sudden : I stand corrected. Cheers. And what would you like to call this serie? It sure wouldn't be F1. I strongly feel that some really need to get on top of
95 B747forever : Well why waste time trying to block Alonso when you are 3-4 sec slower than him?
96 Post contains images GrahamHill : Probably just for the sake of not finishing the race behind the safety car. Eh, I would not mind talking about IRL! I love pretty much everything tha
97 Post contains images Larshjort : Congratulations to Webber, nice to see that it's not all about Vettel. What happened to Rubens steering wheel after beeing collected by the Virgin car
98 Post contains images B747forever : Havent been so for the two last GPs and Vettel doesnt seem too happy about it
99 Post contains images GrahamHill : Ha ha ha, nice one Now that I think of it, it could actually be fun to watch, especially in hairpins
100 Post contains images sudden : Then leave the motorsport to us, and you can run off and start a skateboard thread.
101 MIAspotter : Below... There you go, he broke the rules, he paid for it. Yes but still, overtaking in Monaco is not an easy tasl, thats why I said "those moves" I
102 waterpolodan : I know they don't ever want to finish behind the SC for photo reasons, but as I was asking in my post that you quoted, even if the SC goes in on the
103 GrahamHill : Don't give me ideas. Sorry, I misread your message. I watched again the last lap and it's true that green flags are out before the start/finish line.
104 cpd : Oh that's rubbish. How on earth can they do that. It was a brilliant move, he caught Alonso sleeping. Bureaucracy gone mad. Even the commentators her
105 EZEIZA : despite the confusion created, the rule is quite clear acutally. If the team told him it was ok, then it's the teams' fault. Commentators here also d
106 bill142 : But like the rule, the penalties are pretty clear. it's usually a 20 second race penalty or a 5 spot grid penalty. In this instance the right penalty
107 sudden : True, but if Webber keeps on collecting points as he has done so far, with a win here and there, he is sure in the race for the title. I guess media
108 Post contains links sudden : Webber's future at RBR might be secured!? http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83695 Although I might find it a bit premature to make such a st
109 waterpolodan : Webber at this point looks like a lock to hold on to his seat at RBR, but things change rapidly in the F1 realm. Right now it also looks like Kubica w
110 Post contains images GrahamHill : I would be happy if this happens I'd prefer a young French talent like Charles Pic or Jules Bianchi than Massa... If Massa comes to Renault, I'll sto
111 Post contains images sudden : My uneducated guess is that none of these 2 teams would hire Massa. Your such a woman sometimes! However, if we play with the idea that Webber will r
112 Stealthz : Have seen a couple of mentions in the press that Alonso suffered the double indignity of not being able to qualify and being caught napping on the fin
113 EZEIZA : I agree, but since there are rumours of conflocting information given by the authorities to the team, and therefore the team giving a green light to
114 Post contains images B747forever : Wonder for how long Vettel will stay with Redbull.
115 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Why would Seb move to another team? He seems to be rather successful with Red Bull and the cars seem to be superior to any other this year that I don
116 Stealthz : WTF.... He is referring here to Ferrari, can someone explain to me how a passive device that requires only manual influence from the driver needs new
117 CXB77L : Apparently, Damon Hill was the driver steward at Monaco ... But, conspiracy theories aside, the rule is there, even if it is a stupid one. So you're a
118 bill142 : Sounds to me that the rule is just dumb.
119 waterpolodan : From later in the same James Allen article- "I got onto them today and it is a case of bad translation. In Italian the wording is “sistema di gesti
120 Stealthz : I thought I had read that article fairly carefully before I quoted it. Based on a reply to a commenter James made sometime after I posted here I am o
121 waterpolodan : That's true, sort of like a rev indicator light for when the blown wing would be optimal. I think what they've worked on though is the integration of
122 Post contains links and images flood : Dumb and harsh sounds about right. C'est la vie, rules are rules. Hopefully the incident will bring about some changes to this idiocy. From the Merce
123 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : The Mark Webberr/Sebastian Vettel jump in the harbour after their double win came as quite a surprise I must say! http://en.espnf1.com/monaco/motorspo
124 Post contains links bill142 : Whoops. Hamilton is formally charged over his wheel spinning incident in Melbourne earlier this year. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/8381
125 Post contains links GrahamHill : He should have done that in France. Look at this video during the 24 Hours of Le Mans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DrsJzUbJcA The policeman passi
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