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What's The Most Economical Car Where You Live?  
User currently offlineMasterBean From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 181 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

First some rules, fuel consumption must be in litres per 100km so our European friends don't get left out. CO2 in grams per km. No hybrids as these can be difficult to measure since the engine cuts out and therefore you aren't using any petrols. There is also the argument that diesels emit lots of nitrogen and other random crap but hey, the EU don't seem to care so there we go. In the UK we have the VW Polo Bluemotion emitting 91 CO2's and using 3.5 l per 100km. The Smart Cdi beats it with 88 CO2's and 3.3 l per 100 km but only has two seats making it a motorbike. I may have missed some out so fill me in.

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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 39
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3003 times:

Probably Ford Fiesta Econetic diesel, it's in the low 3-4L/100km range. It has been tested at 3.1L/100km.

Out of the local made large sedans, Holden Commodore 3.0L does 6.4L/100km with 190kW engine (moving a large 5 seat rear drive car).

And in comparison, the BMW 520d (135kW diesel) does a miserly 5.2L/100km.

[Edited 2010-05-16 17:05:04]

User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

Quoting MasterBean (Thread starter):
What's The Most Economical Car Where You Live?

Just FYI, this side of the world we refer to it as "efficiency". When I opened this thread I thought you were referring to cheapest car.

Anyways, outside of idiotic hybrids, the Jetta TDI is up there and will definitely give a Prius a run for its money, and bests it by far in handling, build quality, speed, etc etc


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6260 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2851 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
this side of the world we refer to it as "efficiency

No we don't, it's always been economy here. I do agree with the idiocy of hybrids though.

Is the original question not a trick question though? Suppose you want to move 4 people and 10 bales of hay. I doubt very much that my truck would not be near the top of economy since I could do that in 1 trip.  



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 3):

No we don't, it's always been economy here

Well then, seems like this falls into the soda vs. pop category. I've never ever heard anybody in person call a car economical, I've always heard the word efficient being used.


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 4):
Well then, seems like this falls into the soda vs. pop category. I've never ever heard anybody in person call a car economical, I've always heard the word efficient being used.

Never heard of how "efficient" a car is. Its always how "economical" a car is.

The most efficient/economical car here has to be'

Quoting cpd (Reply 1):
Probably Ford Fiesta Econetic diesel, it's in the low 3-4L/100km range. It has been tested at 3.1L/100km.

Also the Mini Cooper D is around 3.2L/100km.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6109 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

I thought we were talking about the cheapest car, too.

I find the word economy misleading because I would put maintenance, insurance, initial cost, etc., in it.



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 4):
I've never ever heard anybody in person call a car economical, I've always heard the word efficient being used.

Let me clarify, I've never heard of anybody in the US west coast say it with the "economical" word.


User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

When talking about fuel consumption, it is most common to hear someone talk about a car's fuel efficiency, though fuel economy is commonly used as well. That's been my observation anyway.

When one says a vehicle is very economical, they typically are referring to much more than fuel costs but maintenance, insurance, and other general upkeep. Once again, my observation.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
Anyways, outside of idiotic hybrids, the Jetta TDI is up there

This is what I've heard as well. I can't recall the figure, but I believe it was far more efficient than the Prius.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6109 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2600 times:

The Jetta gets 36mpg (6.5l/100km) and the Prius 39mpg (6l/100). That's in real testing for the two : http://www.insideline.com/volkswagen...-vs-2009-volkswagen-jetta-tdi.html

Keep in mind diesel fuel has more energy in it, so it adds to the difference, and shows up in CO2 emissions.



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

Efficiency = Output energy / Input energy.

So a truck carrying 5 tonnes of payload and getting 10mpg is more efficient than a car carrying 500kg of payload and getting 25mpg, if we assume that both are travelling at the same speed.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 10):

So a truck carrying 5 tonnes of payload and getting 10mpg is more efficient than a car carrying 500kg of payload and getting 25mpg, if we assume that both are travelling at the same speed.

And a very powerful car driven grandma-style is more efficient than a wimpy car driven like it was stolen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmxUsGiGp3w

Watch it fully. Gives some great insight.

Gotta love Top Gear 


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 11):
Watch it fully. Gives some great insight.

Or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN4-KA0VGzs&feature=related



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3760 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

Quoting MasterBean (Thread starter):
First some rules, fuel consumption must be in litres per 100km so our European friends don't get left out.

Not only your European friends, the vast majority of the world's population uses the metric system. Even the UK has adopted the metric system, and is currently inching their way towards full implementation (yes, pun very much intended thank you very much)...

Cheers
Mats



Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
User currently offlineMasterBean From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

Quoting Doona (Reply 13):

We still use mpg's and buy beer in pints. So what we have discovered from this topic is that the most economical car on sale in the world is the Smart Cdi, and that the most powerful country in the world is about 10 years behind everybody when it comes to buying economical cars. Oh and I'd say that a car that is efficient has a low drag coefficient, but both words sort of mean the same thing.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18704 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2374 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):

Anyways, outside of idiotic hybrids, the Jetta TDI is up there and will definitely give a Prius a run for its money, and bests it by far in handling, build quality, speed, etc etc

A Jetta TDI gets about 40 MPG freeway. My 2010 Prius in economy mode gets 48-52.

And there is nothing wrong with the build quality of a Prius. It is a very well-built car. Not pretty, but having been in an accident in one, I will tell you that it is very well-built. That's why I went right back and bought another.

Looks, handling, and speed are all fair points.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2315 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

How about the VW Lupo? Not on sale anymore but gets 33km a liter. There are quite a few of them on the roads here.

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13255 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2251 times:
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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):

And there is nothing wrong with the build quality of a Prius. It is a very well-built car.

Let me rephrase: sure, it may not fall apart and what not, but I can't help but feeling like I'm sitting inside a recycled plastic bottle. Materials quality is just not nearly as good as in the VW.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6668 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2116 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 1):
Out of the local made large sedans, Holden Commodore 3.0L does 6.4L/100km with 190kW engine (moving a large 5 seat rear drive car).

Whaich is completely false, there is now way in hell that anyone could drive the Commodore and get 6.4L/100km, I bet more drivers are getting 9-10 if they are lucky.

And in comparison, the BMW 520d (135kW diesel) does a miserly 5.2L/100km.

Again it's a little false, my wifes 318D averaged 5.3L/100km, she is a typical slowish female driver. My boss get 7.2L/100km from his 2009 520D.

The problem with official figures is that they are all compiled on a static test rig, in the real world people just can't get close to them.


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

Thanks to the congestion charge...



User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10735 posts, RR: 38
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2099 times:

The wonderful, cheap Monaco Bus system!
Unlimited rides for 15 Euros a month. Who can beat that?



Every time there is an event in town, a convention or other, the whole network goes free for all.   



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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5965 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2061 times:
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Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
Just FYI, this side of the world we refer to it as "efficiency". When I opened this thread I thought you were referring to cheapest car.

I thought it meant cheap car too.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 4):
Well then, seems like this falls into the soda vs. pop category. I've never ever heard anybody in person call a car economical, I've always heard the word efficient being used.

I have heard economy car, but that usualy means economy all the way around; Cheap to buy, cheap to own. A Chevy Volt will be economical on gas, but it will be expensive. A Chevy Aveo is good on gas and it is cheap. The Aveo is a economy car, the Volt will not be.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 6):
I thought we were talking about the cheapest car, too.

I find the word economy misleading because I would put maintenance, insurance, initial cost, etc., in it.

I would say my 84 Chevy truck is very economical. Sure it only gets 12 mpg, but it cost me $400, I have put in about $500 in repair and maintaince on it, $250 of that was new tires and $100 for a radiator, in the four last years. It costs $225 a year to insure it. It gets bad mileage, but the ownership costs are very little compared to a new car. I have a new car too, so I should know.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 21):
Unlimited rides for 15 Euros a month. Who can beat that?

That is a good deal. Around here the bus doesn't go much of anyplace I need to go.

[Edited 2010-05-21 07:32:21]


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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2315 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 21):
Unlimited rides for 15 Euros a month. Who can beat that?

That's equivalent to about 5-6 bus rides here within the inner city zones that is! And Denmark is thriving on its green image... what a joke!

[Edited 2010-05-21 08:21:57]

User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6109 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2022 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 21):
The wonderful, cheap Monaco Bus system!
Unlimited rides for 15 Euros a month. Who can beat that?

Every time there is an event in town, a convention or other, the whole network goes free for all.

Monaco is so big you can go end to end in like a 15 minutes walk, can't you ? 
Quoting falstaff (Reply 22):
I would say my 84 Chevy truck is very economical. Sure it only gets 12 mpg, but it cost me $400, I have put in about $500 in repair and maintaince on it, $250 of that was new tires and $100 for a radiator, in the four last years. It costs $225 a year to insure it. It gets bad mileage, but the ownership costs are very little compared to a new car. I have a new car too, so I should know.

If you don't drive it much it's OK, but at more than 1,5€ per liter of gasoline, economical just doesn't go well with 20l/100km.



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25 Post contains images Fly2HMO : That's terminology I see used the most by rental companies The "economy" car, as they call it, is a politically correct way of saying "this is the cr
26 Post contains images falstaff : Back when I worked for Enterprise Rent-A-Car that is what we meant when we said economy.
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