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Cyclist Floyd Landis Comes Clean About Doping  
User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

Wall Street Journal article

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=5203604

He again, like most others who've come clean before him details that for him doping wasn't just a once-made mistake but rather part of his life as a cyclist.

When I remember how regularly i followed the Tour in the early 2000s it's kinda sad to see that what you've been watching so religiously was nothing but fraud.

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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2890 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

That's why they call it Tour de Farce !!

It's a joke and has been for years.   



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13140 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

I have believed for years that the Tour de France and perhaps other cycling races ought to be suspended for a year or more to realize that it has become impossible to run such races clean and to reset it place in French society.

The Tour de France is the biggest sporting event in France, one that has become more about marketing by consumer products and services as well as consumer spending than about the race itself. It should be considerably scaled down from the 3 weeks it takes to maybe 1 week or so and with a lot less of the commercial involvement. Participating advertisers and team sponsors ought to pull out of involvement in it - as a number of them have - as it may hurt their marketing due to the issues of doping that has become a part of this race.


User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7311 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1812 times:
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Allegations made by Landis against his former team and other cyclists are nothing new. I guess Landis still has a chip on his shoulder and the statute of limitations expiring for World Anti-Doping Association had nothing to do with this 'revelation'.

 



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26605 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1739 times:

Nothing new here with Landis. He has been feeding witch hunts since he got caught and lost his title.

Quoting racko (Thread starter):
what you've been watching so religiously was nothing but fraud.

Its not fraud. They are still going out there and performing incredible feats. Some use ergogenic aids, which is of questionable moral judgment, but they are still out there entertaining you.



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2890 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 1711 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
Its not fraud. They are still going out there and performing incredible feats.

Oh please, so your advocating the taking performance drugs, so long as they "perform incredible feats ???

WOW   



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6728 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

Doping is bad in cycling, no doubt about it, and probably worse than on most other sports, but at least they're addressing the problem. I feel other sports are deemed "too important" and given a free pass, like football (soccer).

I have some respect for cyclists that were caught and apologized, Landis however is a scumbag, sorry to be blunt. Remember he took money from his fans to defend his "innocence".



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2850 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1681 times:

Funny that it's always the Tour that gets bashed...

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
It should be considerably scaled down from the 3 weeks it takes to maybe 1 week

It's done already, and it's called Paris-Nice.



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2890 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1653 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 7):
Funny that it's always the Tour that gets bashed...

Well that's simply remedied then. Make it a clean sport (especially the Tour), then there is nothing to bash!


It seems to be a sport where drugs, seem to go hand in hand with bicycles.



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User currently offlineTIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1648 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
The Tour de France is the biggest sporting event in France

Define biggest.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
one that has become more about marketing by consumer products and services as well as consumer spending than about the race itself.

When was the last time you watched ANY sporting event?

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
1 week or so and with a lot less of the commercial involvement.

In other words, turn it into a money losing event.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
Participating advertisers and team sponsors ought to pull out of involvement in it

Yes, let's kill the event. While we are at it, let's also boycott MLB, the Olympics, NFL, etc.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26605 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1634 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 5):

Oh please, so your advocating the taking performance drugs, so long as they "perform incredible feats ???

No. What I'm saying is that this isn't some "fraud" or "moral outrage." The public demands people be faster, stronger, better all the time for the sake of their own entertainment. As long as people don't hear, they don't care.



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13140 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1607 times:

Quoting TIA (Reply 9):
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
The Tour de France is the biggest sporting event in France

Define biggest.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
one that has become more about marketing by consumer products and services as well as consumer spending than about the race itself.

When was the last time you watched ANY sporting event?

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
1 week or so and with a lot less of the commercial involvement.

In other words, turn it into a money losing event.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
Participating advertisers and team sponsors ought to pull out of involvement in it

Yes, let's kill the event. While we are at it, let's also boycott MLB, the Olympics, NFL, etc.

There is little doubt that the TdeF is the biggest regular sporting event within France, with millions watching on TV, along the route which goes through many areas of the country.
I have no doubt that sports is more about the marketing to support it rather than sometihing to watch and enjoy. I am mainly a fan of car racing (NASCAR, IndyCar) and NFL Football but I wish the coverage wasn't so interrupted by so many commercials distoring the viewing experience.
The TdeF has major sponsors do major tours in the communites of the route with vehicles, giving away samples and so on.
If something has become tainted by unfair competition by PED's of its participants, then sponsors have a responsibility not to support it.
Perhaps the TdeF has become too big, too much of a prize that riders will do anything to their bodies no matter what the damage it does. Making it shorter, a bit scaled down would help productivity in the France in this globalized world, make it a reasonable competition rather than one of such extremes would be best for all involved.


User currently offlineBoeing1970 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

He's not coming clean, he's lost his marbles.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 6):
Doping is bad in cycling, no doubt about it, and probably worse than on most other sports, but at least they're addressing the problem.

Doping was bad in cycling. Anyone doing it now is playing Russian Roulet with 5 out of 6 shells loaded.


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2890 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
Its not fraud.

Sorry but it is.
Competitors are winning money and accolades when they shouldn't be.

Its called false pretense. FRAUD, plain and simple.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
The public demands people be faster, stronger, better all the time for the sake of their own entertainment. As long as people don't hear, they don't care.

The competitors want to go faster and faster. Better their last time etc etc.

It's not the public at all. I don't follow your logic on this one ?

Quoting TIA (Reply 9):
In other words, turn it into a money losing event.

It is perhaps the money that has turned it into what it is, a sham and nothing more.
So maybe if the vasts amount of money wasn't involved then the pathetic , cheating drug taking cyclists would cease with this! After all its the money they are after, no??

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
Participating advertisers and team sponsors ought to pull out of involvement in it - as a number of them have - as it may hurt their marketing due to the issues of doping that has become a part of this race.

Yes Yes Yes   



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2850 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 1493 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 8):
Make it a clean sport (especially the Tour), then there is nothing to bash!

Why especially the Tour? That's my question. Do you think that it's only during the Tour that competitors are doped? Do you think that the Giro or the Vuelta is cleaner? Or any professional bicycle race in the world? Or any other sport? No they're not. If they were making the same amount of checks as the Tour, you'd be surprised. In France, for example, and according to the French government, there are 3 times as many checks in cycling than in athletics and 50 times as many checks than in football! Then for sure, cycling has bigger chances to get caught than the other sports.



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4025 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 1485 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 6):
I feel other sports are deemed "too important" and given a free pass, like football (soccer).

The thing is, cycling is purely a feat of physycal strength and endurance. Doping can give you much more a leg-up than in other sports that depend more on technique, such as football. You can take all the performance-enhancing drugs in the world, if you have two bricks for feet you are not going anywhere in football.



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2890 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 14):
Do you think that it's only during the Tour that competitors are doped?

No, but I would say, that it is the main "event" which gets the most press coverage.

I don't know, maybe if the controls (whatever they are ?) were greater, then things wouldn't be as bad.

But as you say....


Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 14):
there are 3 times as many checks in cycling than in athletics and 50 times as many checks than in football!

So your guess, is as good as mine ????

My 2 cents worth !



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