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Wikipedia - Am I Supposed To Understand It?  
User currently offlinefca767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1786 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3674 times:

I was just reading about Siphons, and now it's got me thinking, is it good to learn things like that on wiki or in a college?

I feel like when I get past one paragraph, I go on a tangeant trying to figure out what some of the words mean

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User currently offlineajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

If you're learning more from Wikipedia than your teacher you should probably petition for that teacher to be sacked immediately.

It's not an entirely trusted website anyway - anybody can edit it. I'd take it with a pinch of salt, at the very least.


User currently offlinefca767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1786 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3637 times:

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 1):
If you're learning more from Wikipedia than your teacher you should probably petition for that teacher to be sacked immediately.

It's not an entirely trusted website anyway - anybody can edit it. I'd take it with a pinch of salt, at the very least.

I've not been studying since about 2001, well unless you count on the job training in call centre's and flight training in 2007 but I think I find it easier to listen than to just read everything  


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8913 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 1):
If you're learning more from Wikipedia than your teacher you should probably petition for that teacher to be sacked immediately.

It's not an entirely trusted website anyway - anybody can edit it. I'd take it with a pinch of salt, at the very least.

Just like a teacher, funny enough.

I think Wikipedia is one of those "killer apps" that you come across every once and a while. It is a Killer App for the Internet. Sure, it's not 100% accurate, but neither are school textbooks that I have seen, and at least in Wikipedia, footnotes are all right there. And you are free to dig into anything that strikes you as odd.

[Edited 2010-05-23 13:36:04]


Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3563 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
I think Wikipedia is one of those "killer apps" that you come across every once and a while.

From a webcomic I read - this one's entitled "Getting Out of Hand":




Hydrogen is an odorless, colorless gas which, given enough time, turns into people.
User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8913 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3526 times:

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 4):

From a webcomic I read - this one's entitled "Getting Out of Hand":

Why is that?



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

I have no problem whatsoever with Wikipedia and I trust it very much. However, I do know how to separate the crap articles from the good ones. I've edited many articles, specially in aviation, but only to make things for the better, and people usually like my edits.

And it's obvious that any article on controversial subjects (9-11 for example) won't usually be too objective.

However I find many of the articles to be very well written. One of the best examples is the one on GPS, it is excruciatingly detailed, and there's a "basic" GPS article as well for those "slower" people out there  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

Quoting fca767 (Thread starter):
is it good to learn things like that on wiki or in a college?

I feel like when I get past one paragraph, I go on a tangeant trying to figure out what some of the words mean

Sounds like you got ADD   

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 1):
I'd take it with a pinch of salt, at the very least.

I disagree wholeheartedly. On a properly done article (like the GPS one I linked to above) you get a myriad of experts worldwide making superb contributions and the end result is an extremely informative and detailed article. But of course, you get the occasional trolls who have no life and their hobby is to ruin some articles.

However, for trolling around, there's a hilarious spinoff of wikipedia, the Encyclopedia Dramatica: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Main_Page

Possibly the most unpolitically correct website in the world, so don't go in there if you're easily offended.

However, it is a good laugh, and a good resource to learn about internet memes.

[Edited 2010-05-23 16:43:40]

User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3283 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3317 times:

With the Texas curriculum coming up, I'd say Wikipedia would be a better choice to study from.

I can honestly say that everything I've learned, about 40% has been Wikipedia.

For instance: we all know that the largest country on Earth is Russia, and it was a giant when it was the USSR. My 11th grade history teacher had the nerve to say that Canada was the biggest country on Earth since Russia lost nearly half its territory when the USSR fell. There was a world map in the classroom so I already knew that she was wrong, but even if there hadn't been one, I still knew she was wrong. Why? Thanks Wikipedia.

In Wikipedia's defense, they HAVE gotten even stricter with the editing. Articles that aren't so relevant are free for everyone to edit, but articles that are read on a daily basis and that can stray from its original point either by fanaticism and or criticism are restricted from editing unless you're a member. Mess up and your IP will be banned.



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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3180 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 6):
However, for trolling around, there's a hilarious spinoff of wikipedia, the Encyclopedia Dramatica: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Mai..._Page

Wow I clicked on that and on the main page there is a girl bent over naked with a dildo sticking out of her ass!!!!



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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3161 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 6):
However, for trolling around, there's a hilarious spinoff of wikipedia, the Encyclopedia Dramatica: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Mai..._Page

OMG that site has F'ed me up for good, I just clicked on something and got to some pictures of a girl named Nikki Catsouras. She died in a very nasty car accident and her head is mostly ripped off of her body, AND THERE ARE PICTURES...... That is sick, made me feel sick and really messed my night up. I wont forget that for a long time.

I'm done playing around on that site



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2922 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days ago) and read 3156 times:

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 1):
If you're learning more from Wikipedia than your teacher you should probably petition for that teacher to be sacked immediately.

Teachers are not always right either !

Like anything though, the more you read, research and listen to as many different people as you can the more you will learn to differentiate what is kosher and what is BS.



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User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days ago) and read 3120 times:

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 9):
I'm done playing around on that site

I take it you weren't a fan of Ogrish when it was still around...



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8913 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 days ago) and read 3094 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 10):

Teachers are not always right either !

Absolutely.

A week ago I was visiting my father, and the Texas textbook issue came up. I mentioned to him that when I was in high school (nearly 30 years ago), about half of our social studies reading list was written by Noam Chomsky. My teachers preached Chomsky as if he were the wisest person on Earth, and our exams were geared towards standards.

I had no idea of who Chomsky was at the time, but I remember thinking of him being a little bit flaky, even as naive as I was back then. Had I had access to something like Wikipedia or the internet in general, I could have found out a bit more and challenged him. But like good kids at the time we just accepted the indoctrination we were given. When my dad found out (30 years late) that were were taught Chomsky at school as if it were gospel, he was furious.

There is no way around it - teachers have a huge amount of influence on kids. Given that teachers tend to lean to the left in general, we have to be extremely watchful over what they are teaching. It is also helpful to teach kids how to be reasonably skeptical. If people tell you that so-and-so is wonderful, look him/her/it up, look into the sources. Don't accept the word of a teacher as gospel. Sources closest to the origin are always best - never accept interpretations at face value, etc.



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

Quoting newark777 (Reply 11):
I take it you weren't a fan of Ogrish when it was still around...

Nope, seeing pictures of a coworker who had been sucked into the engine of a CO 737 kinda turned me off.



/// UNITED AIRLINES
User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3072 times:

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 8):
Wow I clicked on that and on the main page there is a girl bent over naked with a dildo sticking out of her ass!!!!

Ermmm, I was gonna say it's definitely NSFW but I thought they were a bit more PC with their homepage. But I guess not. Ooops.  


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3283 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3039 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 6):
However, for trolling around, there's a hilarious spinoff of wikipedia, the Encyclopedia Dramatica: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Main_Page

Possibly the most unpolitically correct website in the world, so don't go in there if you're easily offended.

However, it is a good laugh, and a good resource to learn about internet memes.

Have you guys tried Uncyclopedia, Wikipedia's evil twin brother?



"You haven't seen a tree until you've seen its shadow from the sky."
User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5697 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

Well, there's a reason Wikipedia likes to have sources. It's a great starting point for getting some detailed general knowledge (yes, an oxymoron, but it pretty much sums it up). Obviously the math and science articles are going to be better (if sometimes unreadable if you haven't gone past calculus). Just stay away from most of the current events stuff.

Now, to address some OT issues:

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 9):
OMG that site has F'ed me up for good, I just clicked on something and got to some pictures of a girl named Nikki Catsouras. She died in a very nasty car accident and her head is mostly ripped off of her body, AND THERE ARE PICTURES

Oh, that's nothing. There are pages that basically make fun of kids (8-12) who commit suicide.... and it gets worse from there.

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 13):
Nope, seeing pictures of a coworker who had been sucked into the engine of a CO 737 kinda turned me off.

Those pictures should be mandatory viewing in every airline ramp and maintenance training program. I came within seconds of witnessing something like that almost happen, because some dumb kid didn't know what a running engine does to bodies when you get close to them.



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User currently offlineAKiss20 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 645 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2857 times:

Maybe if you are having problems I could suggest the following: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

  (I mean this not attackingly, but jokingly!)

An appropriate webcomic for the above:




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User currently offlineGST From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 938 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

Wikipedia is extremely good for technical subjects, as frankly who would want to mess with the topic of fluidic thrust vectoring, to name an obscure one. Even when people do mess with it, the origional authors get a notice so they can check it and remove/refine it if it is inaccurate. Repeat nonsense posting offenders get banned. The only thing I would not trust wiki for is relatively recent history, religious subjects, and political subjects. In those areas there are too many opinions around the world to realistically expect a balanced portrayal on a page anyone can edit.

User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

Wiki is amazing tbh.

I've learnt so much from there, about many different topics. Yes, you still need textbooks to go into great detail, but if you just want to learn a little to medium amount about a subject it can't be beaten.


User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):
Just stay away from most of the current events stuff.

Although with some current events topics, there are sources referenced that I wouldn't have seen otherwise.



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineGST From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 938 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

Quoting newark777 (Reply 20):

Although with some current events topics, there are sources referenced that I wouldn't have seen otherwise.

Perhaps a better way to say it is just take a larger pinch of salt with the current/contentious issues.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12837 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

I use Wiki several times a week, if not daily.

It's particularly good at getting rid of marketing hype.

It's a shame everyone dumps on Wiki for its few bad pages.

The vast majority are very helpful.

And of course you should never take things there as gospel truth, like any other source.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6808 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

Until I was 15 when most of my attention shifted to girls, I was always asking a ton of things to my professors, oftentimes ending in them telling me to wait till I were in college, or just shut up. Had wikipedia been around at that time, my life might have turned quite differently.

I sometimes have to force myself to stop reading after hours on it.



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User currently offlinerichm From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 803 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

When talking about credibility, imo it's not as bad as what many think. If you write something which is a load of nonsense, someone will remove it. When I first started editing articles on Wikipedia a few years ago, I got frustrated to find that my submissions were often removed within hours, all because I didn't include references. So basically, if something can't be proven, it's likely that it will get removed from Wikipedia. With that in mind, I think Wikipedia deserves more credibility on the whole.

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I feel like when I get past one paragraph, I go on a tangeant trying to figure out what some of the words mean

I know what you mean, I've often thought that too. Wikipedia doesn't always excel when it comes to providing good educational material. Information is of no use to anyone if people can't make sense of it. It seems that many editors don't really give this basic concept much thought. Imo many articles should start at a foundation level before they go on to explaining complex issues. Some people say that you need a PhD just to be able to make sense of many of the articles on there. :P

Rich

[Edited 2010-05-24 12:40:55]

User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3283 posts, RR: 8
Reply 25, posted (4 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2406 times:

Quoting richm (Reply 24):
So basically, if something can't be proven, it's likely that it will get removed from Wikipedia.

And I'm OK with that as long as it's non-sense. But I have a picture on my Facebook account on postwar reconstruction. The definition: reconstruction after a war [citation needed]...seriously?



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