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F1 2010, Grand Prix Of Turkey  
User currently offlineStealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5667 posts, RR: 45
Posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3725 times:
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With only 5 days to go it seemed time to get some discussion going.

Is it just me or is there a distinct lack of controversy this year(the fracas over the Monaco Safety Car not withstanding)?


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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3720 times:

Quoting Stealthz (Thread starter):
Is it just me or is there a distinct lack of controversy this year(the fracas over the Monaco Safety Car not withstanding)?

Yes there hasn't been a McLarenGate yet.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10862 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

Thank you for opening the new thread. It will seem strange to see them all on a screen again and not being there in person...  


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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2798 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3702 times:

Thanks for opening the thread!

Quoting Stealthz (Thread starter):
Is it just me or is there a distinct lack of controversy this year(the fracas over the Monaco Safety Car not withstanding)?

Will you complain about it?  

Turkey is probably the only Tilke circuit I really enjoy. Probably the exception that confirms the rules 

Turn 8 (triple turn, actually) is really interesting. The two turns I don't like, on the other hand, are turns 13 and 14. They are too slow and "break" the rythm. But that's a personal point of view  



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3692 times:

Really looking forward to this weekend.

As Massa seems to love this track I wonder if he can win the race.



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3683 times:

Quoting Stealthz (Thread starter):
With only 5 days to go it seemed time to get some discussion going.

Good thinking mate!

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 3):
Turn 8 (triple turn, actually) is really interesting

This and Eau Rouge at Spa are 2 of the best on the calendar for me.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 4):
As Massa seems to love this track I wonder if he can win the race

Massa has lost much of his momentum me think. For a valid reason though, if the accident is the reason.
I would not put my money on him. Besides, Ferrari need to catch RBR to start with. Mclaren has one of the fastest cars when it comes to top speed, so lets see what they can pull out of the hat as well.

I think RBR/Vettel will take home this one.

Webber might change team for 2011!?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83818

Although it's very early days, why does he come out and say this? To me ik makes no sense really. On the other hand, winning 2 races back2back doesn't make you a champ, but just after Monaco GP there were articles about RBR wanting to sign him up for another year.
Or is it simply that RBR want to have the freedom to sign Raikkonen if he wants to return, maybe.
I know I know, it's even too early to even speculate, but fun it is. 



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User currently offlineStealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5667 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3656 times:
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Quoting sudden (Reply 5):
Although it's very early days, why does he come out and say this?

I am not sure he actually did say it, I think it was his way of saying that he had not YET re-signed with RBR and that nothing is ever 100% certain in this world.

On the other hand, based on his current performance it would have been easy to re-sign with RBR but if he continues to dominate races (more importantly dominate Vettel) in such a manner for a couple more events he could likely write his own cheque at any team on the grid!

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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3654 times:

Quoting Stealthz (Reply 6):
On the other hand, based on his current performance it would have been easy to re-sign with RBR but if he continues to dominate races (more importantly dominate Vettel) in such a manner for a couple more events he could likely write his own cheque at any team on the grid!

Yeah I guess. A bit like what Button did really.
More importantly though, I am mot so sure that Webber will be able to dominate Vettel. Webber has for sure shown that he means business. But how far will it bring, me wonder.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 5):
Massa has lost much of his momentum me think

Yeah, he doesnt seem strong enough to win this race.

Quoting sudden (Reply 5):
I think RBR/Vettel will take home this one.

Vettel really needs this win.



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User currently offlinewaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3577 times:

On a related note, in a completely surprising move, Austin, Texas has reached an agreement to host the USGP for 10 years starting in 2012. Of all the places to hold a race, I never even considered Austin... that said, if the track is nice I'll definitely be going as it's a great city and much closer for me to reach than Montreal, which is my usual yearly race weekend trek (I live in Miami).

User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3549 times:

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 9):
I live in Miami

Miami!? And still you have not invited us to come and relax at the beach and have a few cold ones. Shame on you!



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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 10):
Miami!? And still you have not invited us to come and relax at the beach and have a few cold ones. Shame on you!

I agree. Where's our invite? I propose the 2012 US F1 meet be at Waterpolodans place in Miami then a road trip to Austin.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2798 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 10):
Miami!? And still you have not invited us to come and relax at the beach and have a few cold ones. Shame on you!

I totally agree with that comment. Invite us!

Quoting bill142 (Reply 11):
I agree. Where's our invite? I propose the 2012 US F1 meet be at Waterpolodans place in Miami then a road trip to Austin.

That would be cool!



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3508 times:

Quoting bill142 (Reply 11):
I propose the 2012 US F1 meet be at Waterpolodans place in Miami then a road trip to Austin.

I checked my agenda, and I have nothing that year so far. Suits me just fine.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 12):
Invite us!

Simple as that! 



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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3501 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 13):
I checked my agenda, and I have nothing that year so far. Suits me just fine.

Then it's agreed. We'll road trip through the southern states with NASCAR Sucks painted on the back of the car. Or maybe not.


User currently offlinewaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

We can buy a few junkers at a car dealer in Hialeah, then do a series of wacky track tests at Moroso speedway in Palm Beach with Fat Stig, followed by a trip off the main highways to hurricane ravaged New Orleans with plenty of racism and insults thrown out along the way! For anyone that doesn't watch top gear, that won't make any sense to you, but for anyone that does- I loved that episode, especially because I made that same exact drive 2 or 3 times a year when I was going to college in New Orleans, and I've been to Moroso plenty of times, minus the 1980s Cadillac with a cow on the roof.

On a related note, you guys are all welcome to come to Miami any time, just don't bring anything related to Hamilton or Mclaren anywhere near my house!  


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2798 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3480 times:

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 15):
On a related note, you guys are all welcome to come to Miami any time, just don't bring anything related to Hamilton or Mclaren anywhere near my house!

What if I bring his girlfriend?



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User currently offlinewaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Damnit, you had to bring that up. She and I have a history, so I'd prefer not to see her around   I wish!   

I don't know how much American TV you follow, Graham, but my mom loves a show called "Dancing with the Stars", where LH's girlfriend is one of the finalists (or may have already won? not sure...) and she looks absolutely absurdly good in the skimpy outfits they wear, not that I've ever watched it or anything  

My mom called me last week freaking out because apparently Hamilton was on the set for the show and nobody knew who he was other that "Nicole's race driver boyfriend, who appears to be much shorter than her".


Good thing that guy is most likely gay, otherwise Hammy would be jealous!  


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3449 times:

Quoting bill142 (Reply 14):
We'll road trip through the southern states with NASCAR Sucks painted on the back of the car. Or maybe not.

That should do the trick. I just went out and sprayed my car with that text just to get my creativity going.
Hm, this spray can didn't come with a backspace button.  
Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 15):
On a related note, you guys are all welcome to come to Miami any time

Riiight, now it's too late for sweet talk. We have already booked the tickets.

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 15):
We can buy a few junkers at a car dealer in Hialeah, then do a series of wacky track tests at Moroso speedway in Palm Beach with Fat Stig, followed by a trip off the main highways to hurricane ravaged New Orleans with plenty of racism and insults thrown out along the way!

hahaha.....awsome! But instead of fat Stig I think we will have to do with fat GrahamHill instead.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2798 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3448 times:

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 17):
I don't know how much American TV you follow, Graham, but my mom loves a show called "Dancing with the Stars", where LH's girlfriend is one of the finalists (or may have already won? not sure...)

I have to say I'm not too much a TV person. Apart from sports (soccer, rugby, basketball, motorsports, etc.), I mostly watch National Geographic and the Discovery channels, but I think they are the UK versions. So all the shows like the one of Hamilton's girlfriend are totally unknown to me.

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 17):
My mom called me last week freaking out because apparently Hamilton was on the set for the show and nobody knew who he was other that "Nicole's race driver boyfriend, who appears to be much shorter than her

Ouch, not good for his ego 



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2798 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3442 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 18):
sprayed my car with that text just to get my creativity going.

I hope you wrote "Graham is the best"   

Quoting sudden (Reply 18):
We have already booked the tickets.

At your expenses, like we said?

Quoting sudden (Reply 18):
I think we will have to do with fat GrahamHill instead.

What?! What?! What?!!   



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User currently offlinecodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

It's going to be Red Bulls at the front with McLaren, Ferrari and Merc following and then rest of the field headed by Kubica  . Probably. There's going to be new parts and problems so the order should be different.

I doubt whether Massa will win here again, Ferrari is showing variable form. Maybe the Schumi will have a go at a good result. McL f-duct will help on the straights.

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

Quoting bill142 (Reply 14):
Then it's agreed. We'll road trip through the southern states with NASCAR Sucks painted on the back of the car. Or maybe not.

I'll come with the Cow attached to the roof of my Toyota Camry.

Good to hear F1 is coming back to the states.

Although I think it would have brought in a larger crowd if they kept it in the Northeast somewhere. Imagine an F1 race track out near Princeton, NJ. Lots of land and very easy to get to.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2798 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

I dream of an F1 race in Road America.


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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 20):
I hope you wrote "Graham is the best"

I even went as far as using your real name. No, not allowed to do that? Well, you should have told me earlier.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 20):
At your expenses, like we said?

Sort of. I used my lady's credit card. So when she finds out I can blame you guys.

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 22):
Good to hear F1 is coming back to the states.

I think so as well. But is there a real demand for it from the people? I mean, there they have CART, NASCAR and other major series, so I can imagine that there is enough to satisfy most of the US people.
As far as I know, there is about 2-3 US members that takes part in these threads. Not to base the interest from that, but still.



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25 Stealthz : With Kubica pretty definately staying at Renault and Webber increasingly likely to re-sign for another year at Red Bull, Ferrari's Stefano Domenicali
26 Post contains links and images flood : Some of you may recall I haven't had the chance to follow F1 in recent years and only returned to the scene this season. Anyway, so I just stumbled up
27 Stealthz : Blew a lot of freaking minds at the time as well. Michelin made some serious errors and admitted as much, but there were alternatives offered. Ferrar
28 B747forever : If he gets a offer from Ferrari do you really think he will say no to it?
29 sudden : Many of us said just the same that day when all the michelin cars pulled in to the pit after the warm-up lap. On Dutch TV you are allowed to use bad
30 Post contains links flood : I just listened to a great interview with Paul Stoddart. Epic, lol! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY7IdWpqYXI Same here. I'd much rather see them ra
31 Post contains images MadameConcorde : The practice is on. Very nice images via Internet feed - only the comment is in Russian. No worry I know these boyz and their cars very well... I hope
32 flood : Yeah, just witnessed that myself, lol. Absolutely!
33 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Sutil skid he ended in the gravel and hit the barrier. He got out of his car without too much harm to himself apparently. The car looks in really bad
34 Post contains images flood : Pity that wasn't qualifying. Just swap 1 and 8 and I'd be happy
35 cornish : Yes if Red Bull offer him a drive he might just prefer that as a better option....
36 MadameConcorde : Force India on Twitter: Adrian back to the garage, he said he had understeer and went off into the marbles, which then put him into the barriers. He i
37 waterpolodan : I love how people can take a catastrophic failure on the part of Michelin and turn it into Ferrari killing F1 in the US. The blame is 100% at Micheli
38 Post contains images MadameConcorde : End of Second Practice. Karun Chandok went into a serious slide but he got back on track without much trouble. Massa made a big spin.and wrecked his t
39 Stealthz : er.. wrong! Like many of the rules an accomodation can be made with 100% team agreement, 9 teams agreed one did not attend the meetings. Yes, Micheli
40 sudden : Not to kick a dead horse that's been long dead, but I agree with Waterpolodan on this one. Ferrari did not kill F1 and it's reputation in USA. Alread
41 EZEIZA : Sorry mate, but that's complete rubbish. Why should Ferrari pay for the other teams f** ups? Why should Ferrari agree that the extra chicane should b
42 B747forever : Yeah, but Vettel will most likely stay with them next year and if they have offered Webber to stay for next season Kubica wont get any seat with RBR.
43 Post contains images GrahamHill : Even better ! My real name followed by "is the best" sounds nice Damn... Me too! A real shame. As for who is responsible, I would say of course Miche
44 Post contains links and images flood : Wow, even I'm not that optimistic It seems they switched chassis again so I look forward to seeing how he performs this weekend. I think that's a fai
45 bill142 : I'm hoping GT5 will come out in between now and then. F1 CE is getting a little tired.
46 waterpolodan : Errr... right! As you said, Ferrari didn't agree to a compromise that would bend the rules to accommodate the Michelin teams. How is that NOT stickin
47 Stealthz : Friday sees the young "Randy Mandy" carry Vettel to within almost 2 tenths of Webber, perhaps not agreat sign for SV as he was faster than MW on Frida
48 bill142 : It was a complete lack of sportsmanship. If Ferrari were really interested in beating people fair and square, they would have agreed to the changes a
49 Stealthz : It was not just that round, USA being the only GP won by the Scuderia that season they were not really up to the task all season. That being the case
50 Post contains links B747forever : P3 results: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2010/830/6739/
51 Post contains images sudden : That's the beauty of it, one can disagree and no harm done. How boring it would be if we all agreed and shared the same thought(s). Then I would have
52 MadameConcorde : The Lotus', Hispania and Virgin are out. I even wonder what is the good of having these teams stay in F1. I wonder which ones of them will be around i
53 B747forever : Well how do you then explain that his team mate is performing better than him.
54 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Congratulations Kamui! You have done great!!!
55 BlueElephant : Impressive to see Alonso out in Q2.
56 B747forever : Really disappointing to see him out.
57 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Schumi took a big spin in the gravel. Looks like Webber is going to grab pole again. The Red Bulls are amazing. but... maybe Hammy can get him tomorro
58 bill142 : 1. Web 2. Ham 3. Vet Tomorrows race should be interesting. The straight-line advantage of the McLaren could give Hamilton a shot of passing Webber in
59 B747forever : Webber just keeps to impress us. 3rd pole in a row! I doubt it. Webber looks very strong.
60 Stealthz : Great stuff from Mark, almost half a second up on on Vettel which is probably more significant than the 14/100 to LH. And he seems to do it effortless
61 MadameConcorde : I wish some of the cars and drivers could be swapped just to see what would happen. A Ferrari for Kamui and a Red Bull for Schumi. I bet the results o
62 bill142 : It's just you. It still looks red to me.
63 B747forever : Yes, but didnt Vettel lock up his tyre?
64 Stealthz : Yes he did... and Webber didn't!! That is the point ..perhaps!
65 B747forever : Yeah, maybe. Anyway I wonder how strong the McLaren will be tomorrow and if Hamilton is a serious threat for the redbulls.
66 Post contains images scbriml : Yes, he does. But, to this point in the season, the McLaren has been better in races than quali. I expect this one to be a very tight battle between
67 sudden : I think Vettel will take home this one, and Alonso will make up places during the race. This track is a slipstream track, so with the F-duct he will b
68 Post contains images waterpolodan : I don't think Vettel has it together mentally, especially coming off of a resounding defeat at Monaco, a "driver's circuit". Yes, he was quicker in Q
69 MadameConcorde : I definitely think Hammy can win this race. I do not say "will win" I just say "can win". I certainly hope that he will. Both Ferraris (and their dri
70 Post contains images B747forever : Yeah, the Ferraris are terrible on this track
71 Post contains images MadameConcorde : My prediction for tomorrow's Grand Prix: Neither Massa or Alonso will win in Turkey.
72 Post contains images B747forever : Nor wont Kamui or Pedro (and hopefully not Hamilton also)
73 MadameConcorde : this is much less certain! My take is that he has got as many chances to win tomorrow as the two Red Bulls. as for Kamui and Pedro, I think they are
74 B747forever : Yeah, Kamui did push his car to the max to get into Q3 which was quite interesting to watch! He really tries hard and sometimes just too hard!
75 bill142 : I doubt it. Vettel broke his car in qualifying, he broke it in Spain, I think his driving style is hurting the car. If he keeps it up Webber is going
76 Stealthz : Red Bull are claiming that a faulty rear roll bar linkage caused Vettel's lock up in Q3. Seems pluasible enough but are we seeing the beginnings of a
77 flood : I fail to see why Red Bull would want to start a trend of protecting Seb's reputation while damaging that of their car. I agree with Bill's comment a
78 Post contains images EZEIZA : unfortunately, the Ferrari's have been underperforming almost the entire season. Ihope they can get their act together, since there is still time to
79 B747forever : I also hope for the best but the redbull cars are very hard to beat.
80 sudden : You have earlier stated how well you know this sport, so I wonder how you came up with that great idea!
81 Post contains images MadameConcorde : There comes the critical man.... Rather than always watching F1 on TV, when are you going to go to a live race and do a complete pictures report for
82 bill142 : As I'm sure you're aware, attending an Grand Prix is an expensive exercise. It's not always practical to attend a race each year. I was fortunate eno
83 Post contains images flood : I can see you in the pits at Monaco, having a heated discussion with Domenicali as you try to convince him your driver swap is a good idea I haven't
84 stealthz : He might need someone to convince him of some good ideas. I think the Scuderia has become once again the archetypical Italian team, lots of passion p
85 MadameConcorde : Not all who go to GPs are have got the big $$$. I certainly don't, especially not since that bad accident I had Financial resources have taken a stee
86 Post contains images flood : Well, let's see how many victims turn 8 claims. I'm ok with where they're at
87 bill142 : You can clearly see rain in the distance. This race could get wet.
88 Post contains images flood : They just broke away for commercial right when hammy was attacking I hope so!
89 B747forever : I hope so, it would be fantastic!
90 MadameConcorde : Rain expected (radar). Hammy is doing a heck of a race chasing after Webber and Jenson is after webber. Kamui is holding well considering the car he's
91 BlueElephant : This is why I don't like Speed. They do side by side commercials and coverage in IRL, and BBC goes without comercials..... What the hell! glad I have
92 stealthz : Well spotted, took teams and commentators a while to catch up with you. Perhaps they should be watching your tweets!!
93 Post contains images B747forever : Rain expected in 15minutes
94 MadameConcorde : Rain in 15 minutes - short shower - they said.
95 BlueElephant : No Rain so far.... I don't think it's coming.
96 B747forever : OMG, cannot believe what just happened. What can I say?
97 MadameConcorde : what the heck the collision betwene the two Red Bulls? How did they ever do that? Well this is the race for Hammy and Jenson now....
98 BlueElephant : Vettel....Wow...stupid...all I can say. It looked rainy too
99 bill142 : Vettels hit Webber and he's out. Webber still continuing in third.
100 na : Boring race because no one is able to overtake. My only hope is the rain. OMG, just when I write this, both Red Bulls collide. Seems like Vettel´s fa
101 flood : Nice gift to Mclaren.
102 B747forever : Yeah it is. And now we have rain.
103 TristarAtLCA : What on earth was Vettel doing? He steered into his team mate. Horner will be furious.
104 B747forever : And so will Webber be. Such a stupid mistake. Cant believe that he did it.
105 B747forever : And now it is Button vs Hamilton
106 bill142 : I expect the post race press conference will be interesting. The media scrum is mobbing Vettel. Button takes Hamilton! takes it back again! That's ho
107 MadameConcorde : Brilliant one by Hammy on Jenson! Go Hammy!!!!!!!!
108 BlueElephant : I'm sooo nervous...I desperartely want Hamilton to win this as he deserves.... please don't screw this up McLaren....rain rain...(PLEASE FOR THE LOVE
109 TristarAtLCA : Whitmarsh's face was a picture after that exchange!!!
110 EZEIZA : Vettel really screwed up here! and that Hammy-Button sequence is some of the best stuff I have seen in a long time! Wow! I hope there's another one be
111 B747forever : Seems that both McLarens are short on fuel! Wow. Cannot wait for it.
112 stealthz : Vettel has long been called the new Schumacher, well that was certainly a young Schumacher move!!
113 bill142 : McLarens low on Fuel.
114 BlueElephant : Both McLarens short of fuel...please PLEASE dial back the engines..you haves have just a few laps and and a 30 second barrier.
115 bill142 : Good work Alonso. Thanks for giving Petrov a puncture.
116 Post contains images B747forever : Imagine if both McLarens would stop on the last lap
117 bill142 : McLarens fuel situation can't be too bad, their lap times are consistent with what they've been doing most of the race.
118 bill142 : Well done McLaren! 1-2 for the second time this season!
119 stealthz : Can I go to the RBR debrief? Please can I !!!!
120 Post contains images B747forever : Congrats to Hamilton, his first win in a long time. McLaren did a good job. And now on to the press conference
121 BlueElephant : AWESOME WIN FOR McLAREN!.....This should be a really interesting press conference. I hope that Button/Hamilton aren't too upset at each other over th
122 na : Well, Alonso was ahead of him when it happened. And Petrov drove the fastest lap of teh race afterwards. The Hamilton-Button duel was awesome, breath
123 MadameConcorde : Truly deserved win for Hammy! Such a consistent race with no mistakes!!! I am really really happy for him! Good 2nd place for Jenson also. I am very v
124 stealthz : Kudos to Petrov for Fastest lap while everyone was looking elswhere!
125 B747forever : Oh, come on!
126 Post contains images EZEIZA : it's over! Well done Hammy! interesting race, especially the last part with the red bulls ruining their race, and Mcl's fighting it out old style ...
127 TristarAtLCA : I wonder if McLaren were worried about the cars making the minimum weight? And Webber looks utterly furious with the helmet off.
128 bill142 : How fun would it be to be a fly on the wall in that room. He's not jumping up and down when he got out of the car like usual.
129 B747forever : Yeah, noted that too. He doesnt seem too happy.
130 bill142 : I have to say that Australian flag they have in Turkey is looking rather skewif.
131 Post contains images legoguy : Amazing race. Things have just exploded in the Red Bull team. Vettel seems to be going backwards, starting to look like a petulant child with all the
132 stealthz : Pretty subdued podium. Interesting to here the boos from the grandstand when Mark was getting his trophy but I guess there is a fairly strong German c
133 BlueElephant : hmm good point....Isn't the raw weight of the car above the weight? Hamilton does not seem like a happy camper. I wonder why that is? Maybe he's miss
134 Post contains images B747forever : Hmm, I wonder what Hamilton and Webber spoke about
135 EZEIZA : considering he did nothing wrong ...
136 codeshare : Heh. Vettel: FAIL! One might argue Webbo did not leave space, but looks like he was driving his line. Kind of sorry for Webber, leading throughout the
137 BlueElephant : Just to be the first one to say this....Webber is REALLY REALLY trying hard not to flip out.
138 Post contains images flood : Maybe his ears still hurt
139 racko : The Red Bull crew is quite pissed at Webber and his race engineer.
140 B747forever : He could barely speak during the press conference. He just wanted to get away. Dont get why they did it.
141 MadameConcorde : Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel: "I'm not very happy now after something like this happens. We are all pretty much the same speed and pace and I felt I wa
142 bill142 : Oh yeah. I'm sure he'll use some of the colourful language that Queanbeanites are known for in a more private setting. While Jenson was talking I did
143 TristarAtLCA : I would have thought so but then again I have no idea how fine F1 teams cut it. 5 litres of fuel equates to roughly 5 kilos, a substantial weight if
144 flood : Where are you getting this from?
145 B747forever : Yepp, hence what I wrote Why?
146 legoguy : I much as I feel sorry fo Webber, he kind of benefited from the incident, Vettel is now a lot more points behind him now in the championship than he
147 stealthz : And what reason for that would they have?
148 sudden : I let you think that running to 1 or 2 GP's per year, and post some images on Anet of drivers and cars, gives you more knowledge of the sport then an
149 racko : They just interviewed Horner and another Red Bull advisor guy on German TV, Horner tried to be diplomatic but you could hear how pissed he was, and t
150 B747forever : The thing is that Webber kept his lane all the time. Vettel thought he had cleared Webber and therefore steered into him.
151 racko : The press conference was awesome by the way. You could see just how pissed Button was about the team's "low fuel" excuse and how pissed Webber was tha
152 TristarAtLCA : This Red Bull advisor guy sounds like a moron.
153 racko : He didn't steer at all, the car moved on the bumps. The road is very rough there.
154 Post contains images racko : He spoke with an Austrian accent, so I agree.
155 sudden : Because he wouldn't have won the race by racing the RBR's? I don't think there's much to celebrate really. Hamilton might even feel the win was for W
156 B747forever : Then he should at least have known that and kept more room between his car and Webbers.
157 racko : He couldn't, he was close to the grass. Webber could have, that's why the RBR guys were so pissed.
158 stealthz : From the way I was reading the lap times etc that is just BS and likely coloured a little for German TV, pragmatic marketing considerations probably
159 B747forever : But why would Webber give up his positio?. Vettel was the one that was making the move therefore he should have done it in a safe way and not depend
160 legoguy : Hamilton's lost a fair few points in the past which he would have felt he desrved so I don't think he'd care to much how he won this race. I think he
161 Post contains links flood : Hornie on autosport.com: ""From a team perspective I'm really disappointed because the team had done everything right - we'd out-strategied the McLare
162 EZEIZA : complete BS. Hammy had been behind them, and although very close, I don't see how he could have passed them both. Also, it was Vettel that cut Webber
163 flood : Well, see previous quotes from Horner. I don't see it as against the rules, they're not passing orders.
164 racko : I guess you can phrase that creatively so you get around the team order rules, like McLaren did with their low fuel.
165 Post contains images B747forever : I am quite sure that Hamilton said something similar during the press conference.
166 TristarAtLCA : Disagree. Without turn 8 I think Hamilton would have romped this GP. He was obviously quicker than Webber except for turn 8 where he lost loads of ti
167 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Had a big laugh reading your post Mr Critical. You should think of trying yourself at being a F1 team director. You are so superior to any of them in
168 stealthz : Calling BS on that as well, looks pretty clear from more than one angle that Vettel steered to the right! As B747forever said, wasn't the first time
169 racko : Horner said that Webber was getting slower on the long straight towards the end of the race and couldn't have kept the McLarens behind him. That's ho
170 flood : Unfortunately for him, there was a turn 8. Modifying the circuit in your dreams won't help much here. Ditto. Had Webber not recovered from the crash
171 EZEIZA : Completely agree. Webber didn't move, so it's Vettel that has to go around that, not the other way around. Fair enough, but if a team member, acting
172 racko : German TV just confronted Webber with the interviews of the RBR crew and Webber was close to losing it with anger. Their debrief is gonna be fun.
173 CXB77L : Both. I don't think it was a clear cut issue. Vettel was nearly on the grass, I think Webber could've left Vettel more room, and Vettel should not ha
174 stealthz : They can spin it how they like, if Vettel had maintained his line RBR would likely be celebrating a 1-2 and MW would be grumbling about his team mate
175 stealthz : Does anyone here see a resemblence to the events of 1982!
176 B747forever : Nah, he is "only" 15 points behind the leader Webber.
177 TristarAtLCA : Well obviously guys. I was making a point that the McLarens race pace was superior to Red Bull's today, nothing more. Nothing to do with modifying tr
178 B747forever : What happened back then?
179 Post contains images stealthz : Well it wasn't actually(for most of the day anyway), the track includes turn 8 so that must be included in race pace, and they were not quite there..
180 stealthz : Google Pironi AND Villeneuve
181 Post contains images CXB77L : Which one of them would be Villeneuve, and who would be Pironi? I can't see it happening myself because both seem to be nice guys off the track. Yeah
182 Post contains images scbriml : You read it here first! Quite an exciting race, despite something of a lack of on-track overtaking. Still, Red Bull made up for that! From my perspec
183 Larshjort : Looking at pictures from the other laps before the chrash Vettel pulls to the right at the exact same spot on atleast 3-4 other laps. Webber should pr
184 B747forever : With this new point system 15 points isnt much at all.
185 Post contains links flood : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiIc-A--iNU Vettel carries bulk of the blame but I wouldn't let Webber completely off the hook either. edit, nevermind
186 sudden : A comment written from somebody who doesn't really know what to respond. The laugh in the end of the comment only confirms the obvious. I think the V
187 TristarAtLCA : They were not there in turn 8, agreed. They were there in every other turn on the track and straight line speed. IMHO if Hamilton was leading at the
188 Post contains images flood : Perhaps, but it'll keep us entertained until Montreal Looking at the clip again, Webber starts putting on the squeeze - drifting left and away from t
189 sudden : Agree with both.
190 scbriml : It's really not very much at all with this season's scoring. There are still 300 points to be won (and that's just for finishing first!) Don't see it
191 EZEIZA : Why should Webber leave more room?? He's fighting for the position, and fighting for the WDC. This is not a friendly meeting, this is F1 racing, and
192 stealthz : Perhaps, but from a few viewings of the youtube clip... giving Vettel more space would have had Webber seriously in the marbles(where he ended up in
193 scbriml : From that still, Vettel is about a wheel ahead. However, in that position he's never going to make the tight left-right chicane at the end of the str
194 scbriml : Leaving the Vettel-Webber incident for a moment, Ferrari must be seriously concerned about their car. Both drivers complaining about it in post-race i
195 Post contains images flood : I think they both did, albeit not equally drastic. Doesn't help when Webber further closes the gap though, does it? How so? Had Webber moved over to
196 EZEIZA : I agree, although it's more of a car issue than Massa's state of mind IMO. I think everyone, especially the drivers, thought the car was going to mor
197 B747forever : True. Ferrari must improve till next GP. As of now it seems that McLaren is the only team that can threaten Redbull.
198 waterpolodan : Absolutely awesome race, if I do say so. I know everyone bemoans how the cars can't pass one another, but it was fascinating for me to watch the back
199 BlueElephant : I don't think there were any team orders at all. I think they both raced fair and square, and Lewis got the better hand in the end. I think part of t
200 Post contains links and images scbriml : Apart from Redbull themselves? I think McLaren might even be quicker now. I expect they're salivating at the prospect of racing in Canada with it's l
201 waterpolodan : Combine that with Vettel's eye rolling in the post- qualifying press conference, and you can see why I've started to dislike him so thoroughly... wha
202 Post contains images scbriml : I also wonder if Webber's recent performances have somewhat shocked Vettel and my well have precipitated a "do or die" mentality in the race? OK, hav
203 B747forever : Yepp, they will be up there fighting for good positions. I think that played a big part in this incident.
204 sudden : Finally! I'm having a hard time understanding why so many, and I'm not only pointing at you guys on the board here, is giving Vettel the whole blame
205 waterpolodan : Maybe the blame should be distributed 90/10 or whatever, but the fact is... Webber gave Vettel at least a car's width of room on the inside, and they
206 codeshare : I'd agree here, Vettel seems to be the wunder kid, but somehow does not deliver, and when the favourite child does not ge the toy, blame it on the bad
207 waterpolodan : Agreed, the Renault is surprisingly the faster car and a Kubica/Webber team would be probably the quickest combo of qualifiers on the grid... Also, W
208 EZEIZA : from a team work perspective, they are both to blame since neither put the team above their personal goal, but from the individual sense, Webber did
209 Post contains links GrahamHill : Guys, sorry to be off topic, but have you seen the Indy 500? Look at this crash in the final lap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4CCWoF-DCU Impressiv
210 TristarAtLCA : I watched it with horror. But apart from a sore leg he is reportedly alright.
211 GrahamHill : Almost a miracle, because it could have been worse. When the car of Conway falls back on the ground, it was 1 inch away from hitting the head of Hunt
212 TristarAtLCA : Yeah, that shot from Hunter-Reays car shows how close the Indy 500 almost ended in tragedy. Edited to correct drivers name.[Edited 2010-05-30 16:07:4
213 waterpolodan : When I saw that car upside down in little bits across the track I was fearing the worst, but it was a great relief to see them take his helmet off and
214 flood : Amazing, incredibly lucky for both drivers and a great testament of today's technology and engineering behind cockpit design. The whole thing actuall
215 Post contains links and images CXB77L : I think the very fact that they're teammates should mean that they should consider the team's position first. I agree that Webber could've given Vett
216 Kent350787 : I agree with both your statements entirely. On the second, if it was my team, the line would be "Mark started on pole and is leading the race and cha
217 EZEIZA : wow! incredible to say the least! thankfully, that's even more incredible than the crash itself
218 Post contains images Baroque : True and well done, but you too must have been a bit surprised when it took an act of ritual suicide by Vettel for that to happen???
219 stealthz : Wow, this "race incident" is not going to fade quietly into history. Much of the argument is now centreing on Horner and Marko, rightly so IMHO. Looki
220 reins485 : I think both drivers are to blame as well as the development of the race. Webber was forced to burn extra fuel at the first part of the race due to Ha
221 Kent350787 : I suppose the thing is that Hamilton wasn't closing on them - if anything, both Red Bulls were pulling away at the time. In that context (and the fac
222 Post contains images flood : You're making it sound like the jury's still out on this one? Horner obviously isn't happy with either of his drivers as he clearly stated: "the one
223 Post contains images EZEIZA : Vettel had the choice of passing on another part of the track, and yet he chose to do so in the wrong place. Webber simply kept his line. I'm still n
224 sudden : I slightly disagree with this due to that when the chance is there, you go for it. You don't leave it and hope that the chance will arise later on. T
225 bill142 : He was clearly in a position to have a good go, and he had a go. I think if Vettel had looked in his mirrors he'd have seen he wasn't past Webber and
226 GrahamHill : What don't we simply call it a "race incident"? After all, these things happens. Finding who's wrong who's right will be a never ending story... I'm j
227 Post contains images EZEIZA : true, but sometimes it's better to take one step back in order to advance. When Vettel saw he was not going to make it, he could have let Webber thro
228 sudden : Thanks for setting us straight dad! And what are we supposed to do until Montreal if we put this to rest now already?
229 Post contains images waterpolodan : I'll tell you what I'll do until Montreal... pack my bags because I'll be there!! Soooo excited, even though I know it'll probably be a Mclaren 1-2 an
230 Post contains links and images GrahamHill : Watch my pictures of the track I took them in early March: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thomasc.../sizes/o/in/set-72157623460428737/ http://www.flick
231 sudden : Cheers. When you see these images, it becomes pretty clear what "fake" view TV gives. I mean, the track looks wider on TV.
232 B747forever : Great pics. As Sudden also said, the track looks a lot wider on TV. Didnt know it was that narrow.
233 Post contains images GrahamHill : Oh yes, believe me, it is very narrow. When I first stepped on the track, I thought I was walking on a parellel road, used for service trucks or emer
234 B747forever : And imagine Monaco which I believe is even narrower.
235 Post contains images EZEIZA : I expereinced the same sensation at Interlagos, especially on that first chicane, where they come at full speed and have to somehow manage to go down
236 GrahamHill : Yes, and there are no runoffs. I guess most of the "vintage" tracks used by F1 today are more or less the same. That's why you will always have spect
237 B747forever : True, but when it is raining you can see it.
238 GrahamHill : Going back to your comment, everything looks wider on TV. First time I realized that was with football. Pitches are much smaller in reality.
239 Post contains images sudden : Damn! So this actually means that a 50 inch wide screen is even more fake then a 32 inch! I heard it's a actually pretty steep, so I take your word f
240 Kent350787 : Yup - safely! I'm not actually a Webber fan, although I have been following him for years and was pleased that the defective Mercedes at Le Mans didn
241 BlueElephant : Bingo. Walk around that place if you want to see Narrow. you should have flung that Civic around the track. SIARPC style :-P
242 Post contains links and images waterpolodan : To add a little more to the debate about Vettel and Webber's places within RBR, here's an interesting article from James Allen- http://www.jamesalleno
243 sudden : More or less every driver does this. Their fault or not, so I would not take that too serious though. It could might as well be a way of apologizing
244 stealthz : Interesting article by James Allen. I have read that and others that seem to contain a hidden message that all is not peaches and cream in RBR managem
245 bill142 : I've just become the proud owned of 2010 Hugo Boss McLaren team shirt. So there's an idea for you. And both will find work in F1 again if they leave.
246 B747forever : Now that so much has come up about Vettel and Webber in RBR and how they favor Vettel I wonder if we will see a repeat of the Hamilton/Alonso type of
247 EZEIZA : true, but it wasn't the internal problems that caused them to lose the WDC, but the lack of experience of Hammy back then.
248 Post contains images waterpolodan : I would have considered it, but seeing how they're circling the wagons around Vettel and leaving Mark out in the cold, I don't think I'm interested a
249 waterpolodan : Ugh, reading this quote from Helmut Marko about Vettel makes me a little bit sick- "It's unbelievable how unlucky Vettel is," he continued. "He showed
250 Post contains links and images sudden : Well Waterpolodan, you can slow down your sickness a bit and read this article http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84085 I love how Horner say
251 Post contains links and images GrahamHill : I paid once a Bentley shirt in 2002 or 2003, when Bentley were racing their beautiful EXP Speed 8. It cost me €120 ($150)! Super expensive alright,
252 waterpolodan : I've read that Vettel had saved 1 kg of fuel vs. Webber because of his time in the slipstream saving him a few revs here and there, so basically he w
253 GrahamHill : I absolutely need to go to Sebring. It's one of my dreams![Edited 2010-06-01 12:12:47]
254 Post contains images waterpolodan : Honestly, having been to Sebring many times over the years, I'd say it's not worth the trip unless you're already in Florida during that time period.
255 Post contains images GrahamHill : Are you trying to scare me? Sebring is one of the greatest races in the world, the first endurance race that took place in the USA (if my memory serv
256 stealthz : I am not so sure, that article seems like PR spin to me. Redbull if nothing else are pretty PR savvy, even if the management of the F1 team did not s
257 waterpolodan : Well, it is historic and there are parts that haven't changed (the front straight, the big bend leading up to the hairpin...), but in fact the vast m
258 Post contains links and images GrahamHill : Force India is sueing Lotus because "because it believes Lotus used and benefited from the use of its own intellectual property in its wind tunnel mod
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