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Oil Spill, A Potential Political Problem For Obama?  
User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2713 posts, RR: 8
Posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands
As Oil Hits Marshes, Exasperation With BP and the Federal Government Grows


Quote:
As thick oil flows into the sensitive marshes of the Louisiana coast, Gov. Bobby Jindal called on the White House and BP today to either stop the oil spill or get out of his way.

Gov. Bobby Jindal warns BP and the White House to help or get out of his way.Jindal is still waiting for the federal government to provide millions of feet in boom and to approve an emergency permit for a state plan to dredge and build new barrier islands to keep the oil from reaching the marshes and wetlands.

Jindal is so desperate for the islands, he's said he'll build them even if it sends him to jail.

"We've been frustrated with the disjointed effort to date that has too often meant too little, too late for the oil hitting our coast," Jindal said.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spil...obby-jindal-asks/story?id=10731680

NETWORKS BEGIN TO TURN ON OBAMA

ABC's "World News" Reports On Oil Spill: "Anger Is Reserved For Washington

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...er_is_reserved_for_washington.html

CBS' "Evening News" Spends Nearly Half Show On Spill, Focuses On Impatience

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...n_spill_focuses_on_impatience.html

MSNBC's Schultz Turns On Obama: "This Is Now Your Oil Spill"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...ma_this_is_now_your_oil_spill.html

Looks like the tide is Turning on this adminisrtation. People are finally starting to see Obama for what he was. A professor/community organizer who is out of his league. He and his merry band of socialists/leftists that he has surrounded himself with continures to fail every test so far....Come on November.



Daily Presidential Tracking Poll

Overall, 44% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's performance. Fifty-four percent (55%) disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...n/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


OMG-Obama Must Go
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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2793 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
professor/community organizer who is out of his league. He and his merry band of socialists/leftists that he has surrounded himself with continures to fail every test so far....Come on November.

I'm not an Obama supporter, a Democrat, or a "leftist", but that seems pretty extreme... while Obama is certainly at fault for many other issues, I don't think this should be pinned on Obama.


User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2460 times:
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All Goverment activities are Socialist. What do you think this is France?

Let the private company deal with this. They know what it's best for everyone. Why should MY tax dollars go help Lousiana?



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User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2713 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2428 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 2):
Why should MY tax dollars go help Lousiana?

Federally regulated, federally taxed = federally responsible.

Quoting Elite (Reply 1):
while Obama is certainly at fault for many other issues,

Then maybe Obama should explain why he and the Dems where the largest receiver of contributions from BP. And they then received a special exemption from the Adminisrtation last year.

Quote:
Last year the Obama administration granted oil giant BP a special exemption from a legal requirement that it produce a detailed environmental impact study on the possible effects of its Deepwater Horizon drilling operation in the Gulf of Mexico, an article Wednesday in the Washington Post reveals
Quote:
Federal documents show that the Department of the Interior's Minerals Management Service (MMS) gave BP a "categorical exclusion" on April 6, 2009 to commence drilling with Deepwater Horizon even though it had not produced the impact study required by a law known as the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA). The report would have included probable ecological consequences in the event of a spill
http://www.countercurrents.org/eley060510.htm



OMG-Obama Must Go
User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2425 times:
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Quoting windy95 (Reply 3):

Federally regulated, federally taxed = federally responsible.

So? Arizona took a stand no? using AZ dollars. Let them deal with it.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 3):

Then maybe Obama should explain why he and the Dems where the largest receiver of contributions from BP.

Wait - i though that the Obama was personally responsible for the blow-out in order to further his Socialist Energy Agenda.

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
NETWORKS BEGIN TO TURN ON OBAMA

How is that possible? They only turn on Palin and on Rand Paul.

Next you'll be saying that they were objective with them too,,



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User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2713 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 4):
So? Arizona took a stand no? using AZ dollars. Let them deal with it.
Quoting mt99 (Reply 4):
Wait - i though that the Obama was personally responsible for the blow-out in order to further his Socialist Energy Agenda.

Way to deflect...



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2415 times:
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Quoting windy95 (Reply 5):
Way to deflect...

It true no?

Fine - it's his Katrina. There. Happy..

Now we just need a $5 Trillion war and we will be right were we started...



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
Looks like the tide is Turning on this adminisrtation. People are finally starting to see Obama for what he was. A professor/community organizer who is out of his league. He and his merry band of socialists/leftists that he has surrounded himself with continures to fail every test so far....Come on November

This oil spill wasn't an act of God. It was an accident on a private Drilling platform in the Gulf that was approved years/decades prior to the current administration. The Private Company(BP/TransOcean) and Oil Industry screwed the pooch royally on this one.

Now you can make an argument that the Department of the Interior shares some blame for not properly handling and inspecting the drill site and rigs. However the Government has no expertise in Blowout prevernters at 1 mile below the surface. So the cleanup and the end of the Oil Spill has to come from BP. The Governemnt is incapable and unequiped to handle this spill. Those that believe it should, have no idea what Goverment is for.

This will not be Obama's Katrina. It will be BP and TransOcean's downfall if they can't get this spill stopped and the mess cleaned up.



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User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2390 times:

Although I don't agree with the lengths that you've taken the argument, it is certainly interesting to see the media not quite following lock and step with the president anymore. While the press conferences were laugh-a-minute Kumbaya affairs before, the media has certainly began to ask some pointed questions recently.


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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
Looks like the tide is Turning on this adminisrtation. People are finally starting to see Obama for what he was. A professor/community organizer who is out of his league. He and his merry band of socialists/leftists that he has surrounded himself with continures to fail every test so far....Come on November.

Yea, I'm sure he deliberately delayed for the oil spill cleanup. I'm sure Bush would have had the oil spill cleaned up they very same day. Even though the oil companies are baffled at how to stop the leak, it seems as though you as well as the media believe as though Obama should have the answers on how to stop an oil spill. Maybe you yourself can share some advise on how to stop an oil spill.

On the other hand, it was a really nice Bashing post  
Quoting casinterest (Reply 7):
This will not be Obama's Katrina. It will be BP and TransOcean's downfall if they can't get this spill stopped and the mess cleaned up.

No you don't understand, the Obama Bashers have overwhelming proof that Obama caused the oil leak himself. There's no possible way that BP shoudl take the blame.



"The brave don't live forever, but the cautious don't live at all."
User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2361 times:
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Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 9):

No you don't understand, the Obama Bashers have overwhelming proof that Obama caused the oil leak himself. There's no possible way that BP shoudl take the blame.

Silly you - That was LAST weeks attempt at mud flinging.

You should see what they have prepared for NEXT week..



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 9):
No you don't understand, the Obama Bashers have overwhelming proof that Obama caused the oil leak himself. There's no possible way that BP shoudl take the blame.

Then the Obama Basher's are not Republican's or Conservatives. They are advocating Government interference in an private field. They are worse than the Socialists and Liberal wieners that they so dispise.



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11533 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
Looks like the tide is Turning on this adminisrtation. People are finally starting to see Obama for what he was. A professor/community organizer who is out of his league.

So, an international corporation has been drilling for oil for years in international waters and this is all Obama's fault? Why am I not surprised? This is the same line the right has been using since even before he took office. Give me a break. You righties all want the government to stay out of business and people's lives (except the bedroom) but when an oil spill happens, it is the government's fault. Make up your mind.



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User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 12):
You righties all want the government to stay out of business and people's lives (except the bedroom) but when an oil spill happens, it is the government's fault. Make up your mind.

Most small-government conservatives list protecting citizens as the #1 role of the government. How is asking the government to protect the gulf states from this spill contrary to that belief?

And no one hear seems to understand that most people are upset at the government for the response to the spill, not that it happened in the first place. That is still directed at BP.



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User currently offlinegatorfan From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

Quoting Elite (Reply 1):
I'm not an Obama supporter, a Democrat, or a "leftist", but that seems pretty extreme... while Obama is certainly at fault for many other issues, I don't think this should be pinned on Obama.

That logic didn't stop some on the left from blaming the former president for blowing up levees and manipulating the weather to direct hurricanes to NOLA's.


User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2253 times:

Quoting newark777 (Reply 13):
Most small-government conservatives list protecting citizens as the #1 role of the government. How is asking the government to protect the gulf states from this spill contrary to that belief?

Because the government would have to manage it and pay for it. This is big government tasking.

the best bet going forward is to put the pressure on BP and have them pay all the private contractors (Fisherman, shore clean up crews) and the like to get the job done.

The Government tried to do too much with FEMA in New Orleans and the Beauracracy was too slow to help with the fundamental issues that were occurring at too high a pace.



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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 11):
Then the Obama Basher's are not Republican's or Conservatives. They are advocating Government interference in an private field. They are worse than the Socialists and Liberal wieners that they so dispise.

Not GOP or conservative? Excuse me while I laugh.....



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User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

You can put all the political spin that you want on this but answer me this.

Why are the oil producers in the GOM being assessed an .08 per barrel tax for the government to buy spill response equipment and supplies and did not spend one penny not one cent for spill response and equipment but spent the money for pork barrel projects elsewhere.

This week congress wants to quadruple that assessment to .33 per barrel for equipment and supplies and in your face says that they are using it for another unfunded, unsustainable, pork barrel bill to be funded by the spill response assessment.

Where the heck is the disgust? Why there is none because "We the People" who vote these politicians into office are not holding the elected representatives accountable.


Okie


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

I can't see how you can blame Obama or think he can have done anything different. I think the biggest issue lies much longer ago. How we can drill that deep and give licenses to rigs and not have a way to stop a leak at that depth? I can't believe that as this oil is gushing out we are trying to invent ways to stop it as we go along. Scary.

User currently offlinegatorfan From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

Quoting okie (Reply 17):
Why are the oil producers in the GOM being assessed an .08 per barrel tax for the government to buy spill response equipment and supplies and did not spend one penny not one cent for spill response and equipment but spent the money for pork barrel projects elsewhere.


Let's be clear about this, the oil producers don't pay this tax - they just pass it along to consumers. When the tax quadruples under the current proposal, their income won't shrink, but the price of gas will go up.


User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2139 times:

Quoting gatorfan (Reply 19):
Let's be clear about this, the oil producers don't pay this tax - they just pass it along to consumers. When the tax quadruples under the current proposal, their income won't shrink, but the price of gas will go up.



That is my point exactly we have paid for equipment and supplies to be in place, none was bought.

Okie


User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 6):
Fine - it's his Katrina. There. Happy..



For the record ,,, I do not support the rising voices saying this.

To those who are saying this .... Stop it already this is not about Obama's Katrina.... its stupid and juvenile . Could things be done better by the Fed of course .... but this once again proves that the Fed does not have the power our citizens think they do . They are mostly helpless .... they just sell us the bill and take our money .... but are pretty much impotent to do much else.

President Obama can not steer this ship of fools any better than any other bureaucrat ... he is not leader in the least he is a lawyer who rode the rails to power . He is a lawyer not a leader ... but this is not his fault .



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3572 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2126 times:

If, as the Bush haters claimed, 9/11 was Bush's fault because it happened on his watch, then yes, this is Obama's oil spill. His federal agency was lax on inspections and procedures.

I'm not really one to play the blame game, but there is no doubt, this was preventable.


User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7134 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 21):
he is not leader in the least he is a lawyer who rode the rails to power . He is a lawyer not a leader ... but this is not his fault .

Who is a leader, if you don't consider Obama one then I have no idea what clasification Bush would get.

I don't even think it's BP's fault, Transocean should carry most of the blame for this since they are the rig owners and operators.


User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands
As Oil Hits Marshes, Exasperation With BP and the Federal Government Grows



That will take a 5 year environmental impact study, the environmentalist will be up in arms if they proceed to build the barriers without an impact study.

Okie


25 gatorfan : Let's not confuse fault with responsibility. The events which caused this disaster are not President Obama's fault. However, as President, they are hi
26 AGM100 : Ultimately it is the operators responsibility to prepare for these events . Deep water drilling is complex work .... they should have foreseen this e
27 gatorfan : Absolutely. But the reason regulatory oversight exists is because private enterprise DOES NOT always act in the best long-term interest of society. I
28 casinterest : The point I made may be a bit over your perception. Much like those that are looking to scapegoat Obama in the same way Bush and the Federal Governem
29 EA772LR : I truly feel empathy for those who see a leader in Obama. God have mercy on them. This mess isn't Obama's fault, but like others have said, it is his
30 OA412 : Then why bring it up other than to just stir the pot? We don't need the right's empathy thank you very much. Whether Obama's opponents think of him a
31 DocLightning : because they're very picky about their definition of "protect." If it's regulating polluting businesses, then it's socialism and a violation of the C
32 EA772LR : Ok you're right-You can't fix s***d! I'm sorry you feel that way. Never said it didn't. But just how would the left act if this happened under Bush's
33 Post contains images OA412 : Very well said Doc. I agree with all of your points. You either believe in protecting citizens or you do not. You cannot simply pick and choose and s
34 mt99 : Well, Obama has yet to say "Heck of job Brownie..."
35 EA772LR : Fair enough, but did you honestly expect the government to ignore something of this magnitude? This is too big to ignore. Capitalism has to have some
36 Post contains images Longhornmaniac : I can't believe I'm doing this, but for once I totally agree with you. It is remarkable that there was no contingency (or at least acceptable conting
37 OA412 : Please don't patronize and me and don't ever call me stupid. I certainly afforded you that bit of respect. You do not know me, and you certainly do n
38 okie : Respectfully, you and I paid for it where is it? The congress, right now is in the process of passing a bill to quadruple the spill response assessme
39 mt99 : And that was part of the fallout from Katrina.. being out of touch...
40 KiwiRob : I'm no fan of Obama, I'm happy that he's not my leader, I just don't think he's as big an idiot as the bloke before him, besides he was handed a crap
41 EA772LR : Well I wasn't trying to call you stupid-just being a smart ass, however you're right. My apologies. Though you obviously could not tell through the c
42 mt99 : Well.. hmm. .who else is? Wait - i though Obama was letting BP a pass because he sold his soul to them for contributions.. You guys really need to ge
43 Post contains images AGM100 : No he failed as a leader because he came out blaming everyone else and never once had any solution or even acted like he had a solution . He really b
44 mham001 : There were contingencies, problem is they were not working and the companies in charge as well as the Federal agency overseeing them did not do their
45 EA772LR : Well she ruined herself permanently when she toured the US proclaiming Obama to be unqualified and unfit to be president, then turned right around an
46 Post contains images EA772LR : There are no theories first of all-it's public knowledge that Obama got serious contributions from BP and the likes. Second of all, the there is a co
47 mt99 : Right - but then "some" say that they have left BP alone because he is paying them back for the donations, and you have "others" that complain that h
48 mt99 : Look at the Non-Av threads today: - Obama Says No to Securing Border - Obama Kartrina - Obamas Watergate Is that not demonizing? Is that your only so
49 Post contains images futurepilot16 : How is he supposed to have a solution? I fail to see how a Lawyer from Harvard Law school turned President would have a solution on how to stop a dee
50 Post contains images EA772LR : What does this have to do with Obama and his policy of demonizing and grandstanding?? Did I start those threads?
51 mt99 : Nope - and i take it that you have not participated in any of them right?
52 EA772LR : Happy a.net Bday btw. 11 years is a long time! My point is that Obama loves to grandstand and demonize. It's become like a policy for him. He did it
53 Post contains images AGM100 : Or anything else for that matter ! Hey we agree finally . ! Of course not him personally having a solution ... although you guys did say he is the mo
54 Post contains images mt99 : I know. right.. - i need to get a life Ha! Thanks though - as much as you guys make me me crazy.. its enjoyable to have good discussion with (mostly
55 Post contains images EA772LR : Guilty as charged!
56 Post contains images Ken777 : Things are looking a bit shaky with North Korea these days so that might also be in our face. The government had their head where the sun doesn't shi
57 seb146 : Just as "liberals" are completely different than "Democrats" and "tea people" are different than "conservatives," so too are the people all over the
58 TOMMY767 : Obama's Katrina? Not really accurate because there wasn't a significant loss of human life. But rather a tragic environmental event that makes the Oba
59 Ken777 : When you get down to basics you have to remember that the Bush Administration had the Army Corps of Engineers - a somewhat professional group that sho
60 ltbewr : Some news reports today are noting that the EPA and other agencies may take some serious actions against BP and other oil offshore and Alaska oil prod
61 NIKV69 : Well I am not an Obama fan but you can't say he is not handling this well. Congress and the WH are doing what has to be done and will hold BP to task
62 KiwiRob : Didn't Bush do nothing about Katrina until what a week after it happened, I don't think Obama reacted that slowly, you can't hold either President re
63 ManuCH : Unfortunately, this is yet another political thread which turned into a personal "bash-fest". Thread locked. Any additional posts that are made to thi
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