Aviatsiya.ru From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 310 times:
I have just been told by a friend in Russia that a tragedy has occurred Kapiisk (Dagestan).
What makes me sick, even more so, is that today, 9th May, is Victory Day in Russia (and most other ex-Soviet Republics). Victory Day is the Russian equivalent of our Anzac Day, when the country reflects and pays their respects to their countrymen who lost their lives in World War II. (For info: the Soviet Union lost more of its countrymen, woman and children than any other nation...over 27 million).
And what makes me most sick, is that this bomb blast, which has so far claimed 20 lives (and over 100 injured), occurred right in amongst a parade of veterans the town. Veterans, childrens and musicians are amongst the innocent victims.
As yet no-one has declared responsibility, but it is most likely (without jumping to conclusions) that it could be either Chechen terrorists or Dagestani separatists.
So it seems that what is already a very somber day for the Russians is now going to also remembered as a day of tragedy.
But to my Russian friends, some of whom do read these forums, I send my condolences.
For those of you who want to read more (in English) here is the link:
SAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 279 times:
What about communist hardliners? Don't forget that when there were those mysterious explosions in Moscow, initial reports of Chechen terrorists were rapidly replaced by speculation about the ultranationalists and military hard-liners trying to create a climate of fear - from which they could strike hard at those they opposed.
Marco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4170 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 259 times:
SAS23, Shut up.
I hope Russia strikes back and kills the TERRORISTS. This is not acceptable, especially for a super power. Like I said earlier on, who would have thought one day Moscow would have to put up with this BS? USSR was such a strong world power!
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13492 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 244 times:
Maybe a tragic reminder that Russia is also fighting 12th century religious zealots, and has been for years.
Also it reminds me of the IRA bomb at a Rememberance parade in 1987 in Northern Ireland, which killed 11 civillians.
Aviatsiya.ru From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 241 times:
I don't believe in the taking of lives of any human being, whether they been innocent civilians by terrorists, or terrorists by governments. But this doesn't mean that I don't believe that the Russian government should find those responsible and punish them severely.
What the IRA did in 1987 did not win them any new supporters, and I don't believe that those responsible for this bombing in Dagestan have either. What they seem to forget is that it is more than likely that many of their "own people" were killed during World War II, either as soldiers on the frontline, or as innocent civilians, and Victory Day is entirely a day of rememberance for ALL Russian people; and by Russian people, I mean ALL people who live in the current borders of the Russian Federations; this includes Chechens, Dagestanis and other minorities with qualms against Russian (Moscow) rule.
Who is responsible?
Who knows? My gut would say either Chechen rebels, or Dagestani separatists (who are aligned somewhat with Chechen rebels).
Hell to pay?
Who knows? I only hope that the Russian government is able to find those responsible and bring them to the courts to be charged and tried.
I wouldn't personally want there to be "hell to pay" so to speak. The situation exists in Chechnya at the moment in which Russia is fighting a civil war with Chechen rebels (some of who are terrorists), and it is a war which the Russian people themselves would rather not have to fight; preferring dialogue and negotiations; just the Chechen side seem somewhat cold towards any peaceful solutions. I just hope that Russia takes the same "peaceful" road to any conflict which may arise in Dagestan in the future. It must be said however, that this type of terrorist activity is nothing new to the people of Dagestan (it doesn't help that the republic shares a border with Chechnya).
If you want to provide anything of USE to this thread, please do so. You could start with some facts to back up your assertions that communist hardliners are responsible for the "mysterious" bombings in Moscow, which are still widely regarded by the Russian authorities and public, to be the responsibility of Chechen separatists/rebels/terrorists.