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Van Der Sloot ... 2nd Girl Dead -Natalie Holloway?  
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5477 posts, RR: 51
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6082 times:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0...-van-der-sloot-in-pe_n_597946.html

Joran Van Der Sloot In Peru Murder Investigation, Is Prime Suspect

LIMA, Peru — A young Dutchman previously arrested in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway is the prime suspect in a weekend murder of a Peruvian woman, police said Wednesday.



Okay this SOB has to go. No one can say for sure if he did Holloway or not. But this one has all the 'tell-tale' signs that Beresford's case had in Mexico (re:killing his wife). And just as I suspected in Mexico (that Beresford did it), this looks unequivocal in Van Der Sloots complicity.

As for Beresford and his wife in Mexico, I just want to say I'm proud of the Mexican officials in Cancun who did not let cash do the talking and issued a warrant for his arrest and naming him the prime and only suspect in the case of his murdered wife. Anyone who is deeply familiar with the Mexico and particularly with the Yucatan knows that Beresford's official story just did not wash given that particular locale. But what really has my dander up is this..while all the SoCal news networks reported Beresford had reappeared back in LA last week. NONE have yet explained how he got back into to the US AFTER Mexican officials confiscated his passport. That is a news story in itself and a not a single news outlet is discussing it. In this age of 'Homeland Security/Border Protection Paranoia... and cameras at every entry/checkpoint, not a single person is curious. DHS should be over at his Palisades home interrogating him on those exact details OR a true independent news network should being their job and pinpointing how this man got back into the US without proper documentation.

As for Van Der Sloot, this lastest tragedy now cast a pall over Natalie Holloway's death, it appears as if this kid has thing thing for killing young women, it's time to put cap on his thrill of a spree.


BN747


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User currently offlineFLYAWA From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6024 times:

5 years to the day almost of Natalee's disappearance on Aruba. At least, this is the only other young woman murdered that we know of.

The Intl APB says he crossed into Chile by land on Monday, and may be suspected to have gone into Argentina.

I'm afraid his Daddy won't be able to fix this one!



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24312 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5873 times:

Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
NONE have yet explained how he got back into to the US AFTER Mexican officials confiscated his passport. That is a news story in itself and a not a single news outlet is discussing it.

I dont think its much of a story or an issue, but one of the local NPR station (KPCC or KCRW) had it over the weekend. According to his attorney, he appeared at the border with ID and was let in.

The radio station checked with CBP, which did not confirm or deny the story, but stated that by law a US citizen cannot be denied entry into the country, and unless there was a validated warrant for their arrest no reason to detain them either.

At LAX I've seen instances were passengers loose their passports, wallets or other ID at their departure and transit airport and literally show up in customs without a scrap of ID. After verifying their identities and if legitimate US citizens or residents they are sent on their ways and only have to pay something like a $50 or $60 administrative fine for not having proper documents on them.

[Edited 2010-06-02 15:04:13]


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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5821 times:

Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
As for Van Der Sloot, this lastest tragedy now cast a pall over Natalie Holloway's death, it appears as if this kid has thing thing for killing young women, it's time to put cap on his thrill of a spree.

I think you're overlooking the fact that he never got convicted for Holloway and in this new case, he's only a suspect. It's kind of unfair to label him a spree killer without much evidence. Personally, I think Holloway got really drunk 5 years ago, he probably even gave her drugs, then she passed out, he didn't know what to do, and he dumped the body. Now this is pure speculation, but i'm just throwing ideas out there.



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User currently offlinewolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 476 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5766 times:

Quoting FLYAWA (Reply 1):
I'm afraid his Daddy won't be able to fix this one!

Well, his Dad died earlier this year so that's true.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 3):
Personally, I think Holloway got really drunk 5 years ago, he probably even gave her drugs, then she passed out, he didn't know what to do, and he dumped the body. Now this is pure speculation, but i'm just throwing ideas out there.

Very possible. Could also be an attempted rape that ended in her death. In either case Johan Van Der Sloot was involved and he knows what happened. That he hasn't come clean makes him a reprehensible person. If he was involved in this latest murder I really hope they can get a conviction and put this miserable excuse for a human being in jail for the rest of his live.

[Edited 2010-06-02 15:53:45]

User currently offlineFLYAWA From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5729 times:

Wolbo, sorry I didn't know that his father had passed away. I meant it seemed his father had helped him cover up the Holloway disappearance. Who knows what information his Dad died with.

Maybe, when Joran is caught, he will tell all, lets hope.



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User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5687 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 3):
It's kind of unfair to label him a spree killer without much evidence.

But hey, let's do it anyway:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 3):
Personally, I think Holloway got really drunk 5 years ago, he probably even gave her drugs, then she passed out, he didn't know what to do, and he dumped the body. Now this is pure speculation, but i'm just throwing ideas out there.

 
Quoting wolbo (Reply 4):
Well, his Dad died earlier this year so that's true.

Maybe he killed him too.....  Wow!



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12878 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5465 times:

Could Van Der Sloot be a serial killer? I wonder how he could get a visa to visit Peru with his arrest record. I bet the justice system in Peru is quite tough, probably not as forgiving or as suspect friendly as the Netherland/Netherland Antellies are. Apparently the Peruvian government and police is taking this murder very seriously, giving it considerable publicity. It may be possible he has escaped into Chile and maybe on the way to Argentina.

Some late news reports in the USA are saying there are stories that Van Der Sloot may have drug and gambling addictions, suggesting other serious problems. He was alleged to have been seen with the dead woman at a casino in Lima, the city where she was found dead.

I wonder if he got this woman drunk, or worse drugged her drink and might have done the same with Ms. Holloway. Maybe he was trying to rob her for her money to pay for his drug/gaming hablts. If she was stabbed, maybe she was fighting back. If he did kill this woman, then I hope he goes to jail for the rest of his natural life in a nasty jail.

[Edited 2010-06-02 20:16:29]

User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5425 times:

Ok, let us not rush to judgement my a**!!!
How many people are unlucky enough to be the last person seen with a woman, before they are found dead, not once, but twice??
Who in the hell dumps a girl's body at sea, when she dies accidentally? Ever heard of 911??or 999?
This dude needs to be living in a cage for the rest of his life.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24312 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5353 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 7):
how he could get a visa to visit Peru with his arrest record.

For starters assuming he has a Dutch passport, he does not need a visa for Peru.

Secondly, what does have someone being arrested (technically in detention during an inquiry) at some point in ones life have to do with it? He was neither formally charged, nor obviously even tried on any criminal charges.

I hope you don't connect the concept of being detained by the police in some country in this big world as equaling guilt. If so, you just cast automatic judge and jury sentence of guilt on millions upon millions of people.
What came of the concept of innocent till proven guilty?



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 5940 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5299 times:
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Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
As for Beresford and his wife in Mexico, I just want to say I'm proud of the Mexican officials in Cancun who did not let cash do the talking

The fact that so much time passed until he was charged giving him the opportunity to leisurely go back to LA to me is an indication that bribes were involved.

Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
NONE have yet explained how he got back into to the US AFTER Mexican officials confiscated his passport.


He had not been charged with the murder by Mexican Authorities. Since he had not been charged, he could have gone to the US Consulate and report his passort stolen, or said he lost it. Remember Lindsay Lohan in Paris? He would have just gotten a new one. Could also have just walked to the border and as an American citizen be let in.

Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
That is a news story in itself and a not a single news outlet is discussing it.


Really? Well, here in Mexico it´s in the papers and on TV eeeeevery day. Which is the reason the Cancun authorities are moving the case along, frankly.

[Edited 2010-06-02 21:29:54]


MGGS
User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4276 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5015 times:

Why do fugitives all over the world try to flee to Argentina at some point??   

Ever since the day of Butch Cassidy and a bunch of other North American outlaws... European war criminals through the years (Spanish, German, French, Russian, Serb, Croat), Israeli murderers, Chilean political terrorists, members of Peru sendero Luminoso, Colombian narcos, Mexican drug cartel members, Chinese Mafia, islamic extremists, now psychotic Dutch burguoise...



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User currently offlineflyingclrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5002 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 7):
Could Van Der Sloot be a serial killer? I wonder how he could get a visa to visit Peru with his arrest record.

Arrests but no convictions. If he's a serial killer, I doubt Natalie Holloway and the Peruvian woman are his only victims. Fortunately Van Der Sloot won't have his father to protect him from the legal consequences of his actions this time.


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 5940 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4930 times:
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Quoting Derico (Reply 11):
Why do fugitives all over the world try to flee to Argentina at some point??

Well. It was the other way around I thought. We had that abomination named Ricardo Miguel Cavallo living here for two years under an assumed name. We also from time to time get a bunch of ETA terrorists also living under assumed names and identities.

The amount of South Americans living in Mexico, paticularly in Mexico City is huge. Usually exiles from the various dictatorships from the 20th century that have made a life here and recently immigrants from the economic turmoil of the 90´s and early 2000´s

The first one I met is my mother, but she came here to study.

As far as I´m concerned they are welcome and should keep coming. Legally or not. They add to the wonderful Latin melting pot Mexico is.

Of course we don´t want the sychos and the fascists. That´s why we let them go back to LA while keeping their passports as souvenirs.

[Edited 2010-06-03 10:38:38]


MGGS
User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4930 times:

Reports from Fox News that he has been caught by Chilean authorities. No confirmation on the report.


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User currently offlinewolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 476 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4893 times:

Dutch news confirms that he has been arrested. Hopefully he will now finally reveal what exactly happened to Natalie Holloway although somehow I suspect he will try and milk the media attention for as long as possible by given various contradicting statements like he has until now.

User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4893 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 14):
Reports from Fox News that he has been caught by Chilean authorities. No confirmation on the report.

From CNN:

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/03...mbia-argentina-hunt-van-der-sloot/



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User currently offlineLH459 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4890 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 14):
Reports from Fox News that he has been caught by Chilean authorities. No confirmation on the report.

Confirmed here (Spanish only): http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/489283/...holandes-joran-van-der-sloot-chile

Kudos to the Policia de Investigaciones de Chile! They tracked him down quickly!



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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4276 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4818 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 13):
Well. It was the other way around I thought.

Well, then you need to read upon history of Argentina as a safe haven for fugitives of criminals... only in one case (the nazis), did it have official government channels. The other's are just all circumstantial, but it does show a trend. I think it's because many think they can hide it out because of the size of the country and it's distance from the major media centers.

If Australia was more accesible by land, it would probably be them.



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User currently offlinedragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4771 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 3):
I think you're overlooking the fact that he never got convicted for Holloway and in this new case, he's only a suspect. It's kind of unfair to label him a spree killer without much evidence.

From what I read, they have video of him with this gal, and they found her bludgeoned to death in his hotel room. A bit different than the Holloway case where he was just the last seen with her before her disappearence. This time there is a body! So how about we just label him a "suspected" spree killer.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8044 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4703 times:

Arrested and CNN has "The Perp Walk" at:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/wor...n.der.sloot.arrest.cnnchile?hpt=T1

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 3):
I think you're overlooking the fact that he never got convicted for Holloway and in this new case, he's only a suspect. It's kind of unfair to label him a spree killer without much evidence.

But he is a "major suspect" as there was a dead girl found in his "4 hour hotel room".

Quoting dragon6172 (Reply 19):
From what I read, they have video of him with this gal, and they found her bludgeoned to death in his hotel room. A bit different than the Holloway case where he was just the last seen with her before her disappearence. This time there is a body! So how about we just label him a "suspected" spree killer.

Actually I'll be happy if he has a speedy trial and a clean conviction.

Does Peru have the death penalty?


User currently offlineLH459 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4697 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 20):
Does Peru have the death penalty?

No, but I strongly suspect he will never leave prison.



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 5940 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4683 times:
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Quoting LH459 (Reply 21):
No, but I strongly suspect he will never leave prison.

I sure hope so, but that´s what I thought when Lori Berenson was convicted.



MGGS
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5477 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4634 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
The radio station checked with CBP, which did not confirm or deny the story, but stated that by law a US citizen cannot be denied entry into the country, and unless there was a validated warrant for their arrest no reason to detain them either.

At LAX I've seen instances were passengers loose their passports
Quoting AR385 (Reply 10):
He had not been charged with the murder by Mexican Authorities. Since he had not been charged, he could have gone to the US Consulate and report his passort stolen,

Understood and agreed, but most Amercians who are 'non-aviation industry' are now under the impression a passport is needed to go to/from Mexico nowadays, all they hear from all media is border/security, border/security, border/security, border/security,...and we see a man 'told not to leave the country' come up to the US border and cross it without his passport..and enter with ease.

I want to know, when asked about his passport and I'm sure he was..did he say..

1) It was lost (a federal offense of lying to US Officials to gain entry into the US).

Or did he tell the truth

2) It was confiscated by the Mexican Gov't as I am a suspect on the murder of my wife..and I was instructed not to leave the country. But I changed my mind and I want to come home. - now what? Any experts?

Whatever border he crossed surely had been tipped off to be on the lookout, if he boarded a commercial jetliners and flew back ... we oughta know. If he returned by private plane, we oughta know about that too.

Secrecy in situations like this leave doubts about the gov't sincerity when claims of 'vigilant security' being in place by gov't when the contrary may be true.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 3):
I think you're overlooking the fact that he never got convicted for Holloway and in this new case, he's only a suspect. It's kind of unfair to label him a spree killer without much evidence. Personally, I think Holloway got really drunk 5 years ago, he probably even gave her drugs, then she passed out, he didn't know what to do, and he dumped the body. Now this is pure speculation, but i'm just throwing ideas out there.

Good supposition...but I'm not overlooking his lack of conviction at all, I'm looking at what appears to a pattern with this fool. He meets a girl and the girl turns up dead or missing or both the next day. Ideas?

Quoting AR385 (Reply 10):
Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
As for Beresford and his wife in Mexico, I just want to say I'm proud of the Mexican officials in Cancun who did not let cash do the talking

The fact that so much time passed until he was charged giving him the opportunity to leisurely go back to LA to me is an indication that bribes were involved.

Without question money/bribes were involved, that happened the very moment Beresford was confronted with local cops and the money following was in big numbers..but look how it ended - he's going back after flaunting Mexico legal directives of him not to leave. With Mexico being quite lenient in murder cases..he'd better open up the cash pipeline even more to 'gain' favorable standing in the sentencing he's surely to face.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/wor...n.der.sloot.arrest.cnnchile?hpt=T1

Thanks for that link Ken777


Great! They snagged him, now lets see what line of bull he spins to try and get out of this one. One would think after Holloway, thsi guy would spent a few years chilling out and reflect on the loss of this girl he was involved with...but here he is yukkin' up, gambling, drinking halfway across the globe in Peru -- and another dead girl on his hands. A human animal at his worst.

BN747



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3269 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4524 times:

I read the woman he allegedly killed was the daughter of a Peruvian billionaire. I doubt he he will see the light of day. Maybe it was a good thing the Chilean police caught him first.


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25 bjorn14 : I read the woman he allegedly killed was the daughter of a Peruvian billionaire. I doubt he will ever see the light of day. Maybe it was a good thing
26 BN747 : Holy S&%$#! If that's true, he's screwed (from all corners) now! And I'm certain he'll be extradited...someone's gonna be next month's centerfold
27 Post contains links Dreadnought : Actually, Peru DOES have the Death Penalty. They got rid of it in 1979, but then reinstated it in 2007. However the statute only allows it for major
28 Derico : Between being dead and spending life in a prison in Peru...
29 AR385 : If they send him to those prisons in the El Puno region...he´d certainly wish for the death penalty.
30 AR385 : I am sure this guy was under counsel from the US by a lawyer he promptly hired, and a Mexican associated lawyer to this other American lawyer. So wha
31 Kappel : Just a note, a spree killer is not the same as serial killer. A spree killer is someone who kills multiple people in a short timespan (within hours s
32 BN747 : No, I never said he'd return easily.. Oh of course not, they've (his legal crew) have already said they'd put up a fight. But it doesn't matter, ulti
33 Post contains links mayor : There is also this, from CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/03/alabama.van.der.sloot/index.html Seems he was trying for a new path to income.
34 dragon6172 : I know... I was just using the label from whoever it was I quoted.
35 stratosphere : He is a punk I hope he gets whats coming to him
36 okie : I do not know what the laws are in Peru. Is there any chance of this guy making bail? Okie
37 Kappel : Fair enough In any case that would not be wise. He's already proven to be a flight risk. From what I've read about the jail he's heading to, I wonder
38 okie : I am sure that the argument would be somebody else did it and Van Der Sloot was just on a routine vacation trip. I just wondered what the provisions
39 sudden : Joran van der Sloot is one smart person! Apart from that I find him a @#$%^%$#&, he has been able to make Dutch justice look like a$$es for severa
40 Kappel : No doubt, he has a personal vendetta against Joran. Especially since Joran threw wine in his face. I do hope justice will be able to go it's course..
41 mayor : Except that he apparently robbed his victim of her winnings, he didn't check out of his room, but put the do not disturb sign on the door and told th
42 sudden : Dutch news said this morning that he has a cell on his own, and gets 3 good meals a day. I sure hope that will change soon! Dutch authorities has sen
43 Post contains links Kappel : That's the police cell he's in now. Check this out: http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/...oran_naar_Castro_Castro-gevangenis
44 sudden : Mooi zo! (That's good!) There he can become someones little "female dog".
45 Post contains links Kappel : http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06...peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T1 He confessed. Let's hope he'll get a sentence on the higher end of the mansl
46 ltbewr : Let us hope that the alleged confession in Peru came from sound and internationally acceptable standards so it can lead to a true conviction of Van De
47 Ken777 : Van Der Sloot's confession is sufficient to figure out which prison he will be spending some time in. I doubt if anyone in Peru will be too concerned
48 sudden : On the news today it was said that his lawyer is not at all pleased with the confession as it was, in his mind, more or forced out of Joran. He had c
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