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User currently offlinewaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3421 times:

I figured I'd start this topic a week out mostly because I'm so excited about being able to be there in person once again after a "year off" for the Canadian race in Montreal. I'll be at the top of the grandstand on the exit of the hairpin, look for the guy decked out in Massa gear if the TV sweeps over our section  .

As for the prospects for the race, I think the consensus is that Mclaren will have a slight edge based on the long straight and low speed corners that Montreal features, but keep in mind that the Ferrari might finally start showing their Bahrain form again on a track they've always done well on, and it'd be almost insane to bet against Red Bull for pole position on Saturday. Also, Schumacher has had many dominant wins here (and he's never once been out-qualified or out-raced by a teammate here, except when his car breaks) so if the car is quick, I'd put money on him being on the podium, especially if any of the traditional Montreal carnage takes out a Macca or RBR. Force India also do well on these types of tracks, so I think that Sutil will make a return to Q3 and score some points. My bet for the top 4 on Sunday-
1. Hammy
2. Webber
3. Schumacher
4. Button

Now for a lap of the circuit-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di_8oERNq8w

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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8457 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

It will be McLarens fourth win of the season.

User currently offlinecodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3344 times:

I think the Red Bulls will battle for the best time in the qualifying, but will be careful in the race. McLarens will try to get another good result after the 1-2 in Turkey. And of course Kubica will be strong in Canada, perhaps finishing on the podium.

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5714 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3300 times:
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Quoting waterpolodan (Thread starter):
or out-raced by a teammate here, except when his car breaks

Whilst you could say MS has retired twice because of a broken car one was only broken because he smashed it up against the wall!

Admittedly his record in Montreal is quite impressive.

Cheers



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2640 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3296 times:
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Quoting bill142 (Reply 1):
It will be McLarens fourth win of the season.

I agree. It looks as though McLaren have a straight line speed advantage over Red Bull, and in Montreal, a straight line speed advantage is very beneficial.

I think we can even lock this in as a McLaren 1-2. Hopefully, Vettel will be on the podium   maybe we'll hear his side of the story of the events in Turkey.



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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8457 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 4):
maybe we'll hear his side of the story of the events in Turkey.

I doubt it. I dare say RBR has gagged both drivers and we'll hear little about it from them for a long time.


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3273 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 4):
Quoting bill142 (Reply 1):
It will be McLarens fourth win of the season.

I agree


Do I dare to disagree!?
I think it will only happen if the RBR drivers will have a close encounter again. And the chance that this will happen again is not that big. But I'm all for a Mclaren 1-2 as it would spice things up even more on the score board.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12623 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3270 times:
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Quoting waterpolodan (Thread starter):
1. Hammy
2. Webber
3. Schumacher
4. Button

Can't agree with 3.

At Istanbul, for the first half of the race, the Mercedes was nearly a second a lap slower than the Red Bulls and McLarens. I can't see anywhere near that big an improvement in two weeks.

Quoting sudden (Reply 6):
I think it will only happen if the RBR drivers will have a close encounter again.

The combination of slowish corners and long straights should be better for the McLarens rather than the Red Bulls. I think McLaren are most peooples favourites for Canada. If it were Silverstone, then they might as well give it to Red Bull now!



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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8457 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3266 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 6):
Do I dare to disagree!?

Not if you know what's right for you   


User currently offlineswissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

I go with

Vettel
Webber
Kubi

Do think MB will do better @ YUL.....

Cheerios,


User currently offlinewaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 3):

Whilst you could say MS has retired twice because of a broken car one was only broken because he smashed it up against the wall!

Definitely true, that was my first F1 race I attended in person and that's the day the "champion's wall" gained its notoriety, IIRC Damon Hill, Villeneuve, and MSC all smashed their cars on the same piece of concrete.


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4967 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3223 times:

Agains all odds, it's the Ferrari comeback GP ... 

seriously, I hope they do get their act together though. The season is a big dissapointment, despite Alonso being up there, it's just too obvious that the car can't compete with the RBR's and Mclaren's



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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8457 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 11):
seriously, I hope they do get their act together though. The season is a big dissapointment, despite Alonso being up there, it's just too obvious that the car can't compete with the RBR's and Mclaren's

The sad part about it is that Ferrari gave up on 2009 early on to focus on 2010, yet McLaren and RBR continued with development in 2009 until the end. Yet they can't seem to get on the pace of McLaren and RBR. Maybe too much focus on the F-duct thinking it delivered a greater performance advantage than it does?


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3192 times:

Quoting bill142 (Reply 8):
Not if you know what's right for you

Am I supposed to know things!? I only pay the bills.



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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8457 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3116 times:

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 10):
notoriety, IIRC Damon Hill, Villeneuve, and MSC all smashed their cars on the same piece of concrete.

I do believe that Jenson Button has parked it in that wall as well.


User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8457 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

Webber confirmed at RBR for 2011.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84204


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

My vote goes to Hammy

Number One   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob6RRcw3V3A

You're Simply The Best
Better than all the rest...

  



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5714 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3067 times:
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Whilst oil has been poured on the troubled waters at Red Bull(likely BP oil though!!) things may not be all that rosey at McLaren..

Quoting Planet F1:
Hamilton later revealed that he was surprised by Button's attack as he had been told to save fuel, with radio messages in a video extract from the official F1 website backing up his claim.

McLaren: "Lewis, we need you to save fuel. Both cars are doing the same."

Hamilton acknowledged the team's request before saying: "Jenson's closing in on me, you guys."

Hamilton: "If I back off, is Jenson going to pass me or not?"

McLaren: "No, Lewis. No."

A few moments later, Button tried to do exactly that.

So who was stabbing Hammy in the back, the team or Jenson??

Cheers



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3047 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 17):
So who was stabbing Hammy in the back, the team or Jenson??


No stabbing at all if you ask me. Button was not told that he could not overtake Hamilton as that would have been a team order, so I can't see that Button did anything wrong. If the team told him "no" they must have used smoke signals to advise Button not to overtake Hamilton in that case.



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5714 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3045 times:
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Quoting sudden (Reply 18):
Button was not told that he could not overtake Hamilton as that would have been a team order, so I can't see that Button did anything wrong.

Perhaps not.. but why was LH told JB would not pass then?



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12623 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3025 times:
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Quoting sudden (Reply 18):
If the team told him "no" they must have used smoke signals to advise Button not to overtake Hamilton in that case.

They did - they told both drivers to save fuel. The only issue being when, exactly, each driver was told. After the tussle, Button was very forcibly told "Fuel critical, slow down!" I don't know how much clearer team orders need to be.

When a team is on the verge of a 1-2 I have absolutely no issue with team orders. The drivers should be told to maintain position and maximise the team's points. It's a team sport. We've just seen what happens when this isn't the case. The rule about team orders needs to be thown out, it's completely unenforcable and the type of coded messages we've seen are making a mokery of the rule. I just think the FIA is too stupid to see it.   

Quoting stealthz (Reply 19):
Perhaps not.. but why was LH told JB would not pass then?

Possibly because Hamilton's engineer believed that Button's engineer had told him to "save fuel" as well?



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 19):
but why was LH told JB would not pass then?

If I knew the answer to that I would be spending the rest of the season on the Mclaren pitwall I think.  
Serious though, I have no clue as I'm just speculating.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 20):
They did - they told both drivers to save fuel

Fair enough, but "save fuel" without change of engine mapping on the steering can be done differently by the driver. What I mean is that if both drivers were told to set fuel mix whatever, then that would turn down the engine itself. Would have been more convenient then "saving fuel" as a team order.

I think it's good that Button went for it which gave us as spectators something to look at. Right or wrong can be discussed, but it was still good fun.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 20):
I just think the FIA is too stupid to see it.

I think FIA knows it all to well but it would mean that they basically would need to check teams data after the race to see if the "save fuel" was justified. And if not, punish them!? Teams will always find ways to get around it one way or the other.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12623 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3004 times:
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Quoting sudden (Reply 21):
Fair enough, but "save fuel" without change of engine mapping on the steering can be done differently by the driver.

Personally, I don't believe there ever was a fuel issue. IMHO, the message to "save fuel" clearly meant "maintain station and take the 1-2 we have on track".



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5714 posts, RR: 44
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2982 times:
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Quoting scbriml (Reply 20):
it's completely unenforcable and the type of coded messages we've seen are making a mokery of the rule. I just think the FIA is too stupid to see it.

Whilst I have had (and still do) have some resevations about the intelligence or downright fairness of some at the FIA I don't think they are that stupid. It does allow them "plausible denial" though, they can hold their hand on their heart and say they detected no team orders!!

Cheers



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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8457 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2942 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 20):
I just think the FIA is too stupid to see it.

They know it happens. It's just not blatant or direct anymore. Maybe allow them so long as the driver is within X seconds of the other or at certain stages of the championship. you don't want to wind up with another farce like what happened with MSC and Barrichello in Austria a few years back.


25 Post contains links and images scbriml : McLaren admit to "communication errors" = our team orders weren't clear enough! http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8728377.stm I e
26 Post contains links bill142 : Jean Todt says FOTA can't decide the tyre supplier. One would have thought the FIA were involved and FOTA wouldn't have been that dumb. Or perhaps wit
27 Post contains links sudden : Massa to stay with Ferrari until 2012, http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84244 A bit of a surprise if you ask me. So at least we do know tha
28 bill142 : I think he can push Renault back to the front. They're doing better than expected in really what should be viewed as a transitional year with new own
29 EZEIZA : unexpected to say the least
30 codeshare : I think it's a good solution. I mentioned sowhere else, most of the stuff done at Renault is more or less based around Kubica, in Ferrari that wouldn'
31 Post contains images waterpolodan : Looks like the silly season is going to be very uneventful despite rampant speculation. Merc, Macca, Ferrari, RBR, and Renault are all basically set i
32 Post contains images sudden : This is all speculations. At Ferrari Kubica would not have to worry about any of that. In my mind it's about time that Kubica is linked to one of the
33 codeshare : Yes, only look at Ferrari now, not that fast... You don't need to be in a top team to win the WDC, it helps a lot though. That option agreement, how
34 sudden : True. I don't. I assume it was as the statement was made from Ferrari if my poor memory serves me correct.
35 Post contains links and images flood : Sorry for injecting a bunch of graphics but with three days to go it's time for some weather forecasts: Sources: http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca http:/
36 Post contains images sudden : Which should cause Mark and Seb to create another close encounter.
37 bill142 : Nah, I'd say it will be a German walk over.
38 Post contains images flood : So... if the Bulls start alongside the grid and by some misfortune end up knocking each other out in the first corner, will Mark and Basti be duking i
39 bill142 : Given that Mark is a product of Queanbeyan high school, he can probably hold his own in a fight. I'm betting on him parking it in the wall of champio
40 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Schumi was very consistent in this session. First Practice Results 1 Jenson Button GBR 1 McLaren 23 dans les stands 2 Michael Schumacher GER 3 Mercede
41 Post contains images flood : I didn't even have to click the link on google as it was rather self-explanatory Wonder what they would blame it on.
42 bill142 : Mark Webber of course.
43 Post contains links flood : Well then. Mark should be more careful where he disposes of those visor strips. In other news, Hamilton and Vettel not happy with slippery track and
44 Post contains links and images waterpolodan : Couple images from today before I crash, hoping it's not raining during the historic GP qualifying session tomorrow morning... Checking the mirrors Lo
45 codeshare : An old Williams and the 6 wheeled Renault/Tyrell ? The hairpin looks much smaller on your photos than on tv. KS
46 stealthz : Open to correction but doubt it will stand up, I am pretty certain there was never a 6 wheel Renault/ Tyrrell
47 sudden : Cool! Thanks for that. You seem to favour that spot on the track. When Kubica had is crash in -08, you were on the opposite side from where you are n
48 Post contains links and images scbriml : Hope you didn't put any money on it! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrrell_P34
49 stealthz : Never any doubt there was a 6 wheel Tyrrell but willing to put money there was never a Renault powered one!
50 B747forever : As some of you said this was quite unexpected. Any words about Alonso? Same here. All the forecasts look promising for a wet race.
51 sudden : He signed for 3 years with Ferrari last year, so nothing to add in regards to that really.
52 B747forever : So Ferrari will keep their current drivers till 2012. I am unfortunately very skeptical about Massa. But I am sure that Ferrari knows what they are d
53 B747forever : Rosberg uses the curb on the last corner extremely much. He is flying!
54 sudden : Well driven by Hamilton to grab the pole from a rather difficult position. Liuzzi, that's what I'm talking about, and what I expected from you since t
55 B747forever : Yepp, and this is the first time this season that someone else than Redbulls grabs pole. Vettel is once again beaten by Webber.
56 photopilot : Hamilton "bought" the pole at the expence of knowing he's screwed for a race win. Hamilton took his pole on the Soft tyre while both Red Bulls were on
57 B747forever : But remember that the there is a great possibility for rain tomorrow.
58 bill142 : I don't agree. If McLaren were sure that it was such an issue, they wouldn't have gone for pole at the expense of a race win. You get nothing but pub
59 legoguy : Fascinating qualifying. Not only Hamilton on fire but both Red Bulls and Alonso as well. Great driving from all drivers. As a McLaren fan, it pains me
60 Post contains links and images waterpolodan : Good memory, but I was actually on the same side as now, I've had literally the same exact seat for about 8 GPs in a row now. Kubica ended up against
61 stealthz : Certainly no contest for me, and those three are not even, to me, the prettiest of their respective eras!! Great post Dan, keep em coming. Cheers
62 sudden : I think it was, but what I was thinking about is that Button is a master when it comes to care for his tires. So I even dare to assume that he will t
63 Post contains images flood : Now, now I know you said the magic "if" word, but you're essentially implying they are. Very poor performance, but I just don't see the team building
64 B747forever : Maybe he had the upper hand but Webber always seems to be able to deliver when it is most critical.
65 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I missed out on the last practice and qualifs due to my Air France A380 LHR inaugurals trip. From what I see... I am very happy!!! 1 LC Hamilton (GBR)
66 CXB77L : I'd say that most teams are doing that, too. The cost of carrying more fuel than necessary is slower lap times. It is a fine margin between getting t
67 bill142 : In other motorsport news it's an Audi 1 - 2 - 3 at Le Mans, with all four Peugeot's failing to finish three of which owed to engine failures.
68 stealthz : Saw that coming and went to bed with about hour and a half to go. Those outside of Australia will miss the significance of that statement. We have a
69 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Hammy was up to a great start, let's hope he will go like this to the end. Kamui crashed in a wall. Let's hope he is OK. Oh, Petrov hit Pedro!!! Bad l
70 stealthz : It appears McLaren & LH receiving another get out of jail free card. Pretty dangerous pit release IMHO
71 scbriml : Yes he did. But after 17 laps he's back in the lead!
72 Post contains images FX772LRF : Five laps on the option, and only 13 on the harder prime tire. That's not good - especially in a 70 lap race with limited tire supplies. We'll see how
73 MadameConcorde : This track is eating up tyres! Ok Hammy has made his second tyres pit stop. Vettel and Webber did too.[Edited 2010-06-13 09:42:16]
74 Post contains images FX772LRF : He just went in. That was an interesting move from him on top of Alonso. I wasn't aware that was where the pit entrance was right there, and I had th
75 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Hammy is back in second place to Webber. Let's see if he will need to make another tyre change pit stop. I hope not. Sweet boy Buemi is doing extremel
76 Post contains images FX772LRF : According to the Bridgestone guys, he will have to, there is no way to keep the tires for 40 laps. I don't even know if the teams have enough tires f
77 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Schumi made a third pit stop already. I am not sure McLaren has fresh tyres left for Hammy. I think not. This track is really eating up tyres!
78 Post contains images FX772LRF : Wow, Massa is loose loose loose! He's sliding all over the place on those tires. -Noah
79 MadameConcorde : Hammy is really closing down on Webber. Looks like MW may have to pit again. I wonder if Hammy will pit again or not. Hammy passed Webber... wowww!!!!
80 Post contains images FX772LRF : I want one of the McLaren pit crew Darth Vader helmets. -Noah
81 MadameConcorde : I wonder if Alonso will be able to finish on his same tyres? and Hammy... 13 laps left I am afraid Hammy's tyres are weak and then Jenson will pass hi
82 BlueElephant : I hate this part...last few laps of the race...Hamilton's doing well... And then he's told to look after his tyres....ugh. COME ON!
83 MadameConcorde : 2 laps to go I think it's going to be a Hammy-Jenson 1-2 Go Hammy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
84 BlueElephant : It is official...I regret not being in Montreal. Congrats to Hamilton....McLaren 1-2! Dan...I hope you have more superb pictures for us!!!
85 MadameConcorde : I am soooooo happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hammy World Champion again in 2010? YES HE CAN!!!!! Final results 1 Lewis Hamilton GBR 2 McLaren 70 1-1-1-1-1 2
86 Post contains images scbriml : McLaren 1-2 again. Hamilton much happier at the end of this race.
87 Post contains images MadameConcorde : How Hammy and Jenson could get this 1-2 with wrecked tyres is beyond my imagination. The two have been fantastic and congrats to Alonso for his podium
88 sudden : Great race!!!! Congrats to Hamilton and Button/Mclaren for another 1&2. There were fights all over the track through out the whole race. Awsome! H
89 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I am not saying this to be mean to the man, he has suffered a big accident and I am glad he is back racing, but I think Ferrari should really think of
90 sudden : I guess you haven't read the latest news about Massa then.
91 Post contains images scbriml : Indeed, but we all know an F1 contract is worth less than the paper it's written on.
92 B747forever : Another 1-2 win for McLaren and Hamilton's 2nd win, quite impressive. It seems that Redbull has lost their advantage and McLaren is as good as them if
93 stealthz : It definately was, whilst never a fan I think many will find it sad to see him remembered as the old guy wo didn't know when to give up! And this.. W
94 Post contains images waterpolodan : I'll have more photos/thoughts later from the GP, but I just wanted to share something awesome... I was eating dinner in my hotel just now (pretty nic
95 Post contains images CXB77L : What a fantastic race this was! Excitement from start to finish. I hope that the FIA do not repeat last year's mistake and rub Montreal off the calen
96 Post contains links bill142 : Well his team mate didn't try to pass him this time around. Certainly not a display of the quality driving you expect from a world champion. Some of
97 bill142 : P.S did someone steal the normal chairs prior to the press conference leaving only the high chairs? Or is this the new F1 casual?
98 stealthz : A couple of thoughts before we move onto Valencia... Michael Schumacher, not the comeback season he was hoping for. The personality failings are there
99 B747forever : Maybe, but it seems that Redbull always struggles during the race. They have some reliability problems that need to be solved.
100 Post contains images sudden : That's all fine, but when you know you don't stand a chance, why then go on a make these stupid moves! They simply refused to get off their high hors
101 Post contains links and images flood : Do you even have time to actually cheer your own driver on during a race or do you just thrive on this regurgitated garbage? So he returned to F1. Th
102 CXB77L : I disagree. Vettel could easily have won more races but for Red Bull's reliability issues at the beginning of the season. He could've won the opening
103 bill142 : uote] These issues only seem to be affecting Vettel. So I suspect that he's too hard on his car, or he just has incredibly bad luck. Somehow I doubt
104 scbriml : Not really true - Webber had to change his gearbox and take a 5-place drop on the grid for this very race. Some suspect that Vettel's race issue was
105 Post contains images sudden : Like already mentioned by Bill142, he did make more then one move to block Massa, with Massa ending up on the grass. However, the stewards could have
106 Post contains images EZEIZA : Between the World Cup and the family, I barely had time to watch the race .. but somehow I made it and was i happy! What a race!! One of the best I ha
107 B747forever : well they have a long way to go if they want to be up there.
108 EZEIZA : I agree ... are they maybe already focusing on next season? Any word on Schumi 2011?
109 waterpolodan : He signed a 2 year deal and this race excepted, there is no reason he wouldn't honor that contract, especially considering he knew from the start tha
110 Post contains images EZEIZA : thanks, I had the idea that he had signed a one year contract. oh, and great pics
111 sudden : That in itself must in way have felt surreal while sitting there in the restaurant. Nice touch with the wine. It's obvious that this was from one gen
112 Post contains links and images waterpolodan : One of the best weekends I've had at the GP, and this is now my 12th race weekend up there. The race was great throughout, though it was pretty hard
113 Post contains images flood : Did he? He moved inside to go into prior bend but immediately backed off and stayed on the racing line going into the turn. Unless you consider takin
114 waterpolodan : That's exactly what I thought after the race... If MSC had been in Kubica's place, and Kubica had turned in, he would have been the evil driver punti
115 bill142 : Are we talking about the Kubica or Massa incidents? I'm talking bout the one with Massa. Maybe you want to say the car twitched. I'll say he moved th
116 sudden : I was under the impression that we had it over the Massa vs Schumi incident on the straight where Schumi moved like a snake forcing Massa on to the g
117 Post contains images codeshare : So now Kubica is the bad guy For so many years Schumi was an angel LOL. Its racing. Seems like with so little overtaking these days drivers are forget
118 Post contains images sudden : Q&A with Rosberg from F1.com had a funny question/answer in there; I think daddy Rosberg's excuse doesn't really cover it. A safe car by all means
119 waterpolodan : Well, at least he had the skills to handle the power, as by the time he received his first road car he was already well into a racing career so he wa
120 sudden : Sums it up pretty good. My first car was a crappy Golf 1.6 from -76. I had it for about a year, and after that I stepped it up a bit (and got in to t
121 waterpolodan : I hear you, I started out in a 1987 Honda Prelude with about 60 usable horsepower, and then once that died I "stepped up" to a decade old Volvo 740, w
122 Post contains images EZEIZA : My current car is a Gol 1.6 (it's a different and cheaper model than the Golf, built and sold only in S America)
123 Post contains images sudden : My second car was a Volvo as well. A 240 GLT that I tuned a bit with engine parts meant for the Swedish police cars. Sold it after about a year and g
124 waterpolodan : I know you know this, but if you'd simply bought a cheap Kia SUV or something of that sort that'd get your kids from place to place, you could also h
125 Post contains links sudden : I often joke about this car, but it's an ok car (I have tuned it). Thing is that it was actually not meant to be this car in the first place. But som
126 Post contains links waterpolodan : The Lotus sounded just like the other Cosworth cars, nothing particularly special about its noise... do they have some sort of special exhaust that I
127 sudden : No, just curious if it had a distinct sound. The brand do, by all means, have a bit of history. The V-10's had more deep sound indeed. If I recall co
128 Post contains links scbriml : Montezemelo whinging about 'slow cars' and how they cost Ferrari a win. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84539 The backmarkers are there fo
129 codeshare : It's always easy to whine instead of getting things done right. KS/codeshare
130 bill142 : Maybe they should either A) get better drivers or B) build a faster car.
131 Post contains links stealthz : Maybe they should do like McLaren and get the drivers to build their own.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zf40OzfwOo Cheers
132 bill142 : Perhaps that's their problem.
133 cornish : The gold Peugeot was in fact a Jordan-Peugeot of mid-90s vintage. As for the V10s actually they did not have a deep sound at all. What made them stan
134 Post contains links and images waterpolodan : Hey guys... remember the story I mentioned about Jackie Stewart in the restaurant in Montreal? Look what came in the mail today!!!!! What a gentleman,
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