waterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5 Posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2985 times:
I figured I'd start this topic a week out mostly because I'm so excited about being able to be there in person once again after a "year off" for the Canadian race in Montreal. I'll be at the top of the grandstand on the exit of the hairpin, look for the guy decked out in Massa gear if the TV sweeps over our section .
As for the prospects for the race, I think the consensus is that Mclaren will have a slight edge based on the long straight and low speed corners that Montreal features, but keep in mind that the Ferrari might finally start showing their Bahrain form again on a track they've always done well on, and it'd be almost insane to bet against Red Bull for pole position on Saturday. Also, Schumacher has had many dominant wins here (and he's never once been out-qualified or out-raced by a teammate here, except when his car breaks) so if the car is quick, I'd put money on him being on the podium, especially if any of the traditional Montreal carnage takes out a Macca or RBR. Force India also do well on these types of tracks, so I think that Sutil will make a return to Q3 and score some points. My bet for the top 4 on Sunday-
codeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2908 times:
I think the Red Bulls will battle for the best time in the qualifying, but will be careful in the race. McLarens will try to get another good result after the 1-2 in Turkey. And of course Kubica will be strong in Canada, perhaps finishing on the podium.
How much A is there is Airliners Net ? 0 or nothing ?
sudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4127 posts, RR: 6 Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2837 times:
Quoting CXB77L (Reply 4): Quoting bill142 (Reply 1):
It will be McLarens fourth win of the season.
Do I dare to disagree!?
I think it will only happen if the RBR drivers will have a close encounter again. And the chance that this will happen again is not that big. But I'm all for a Mclaren 1-2 as it would spice things up even more on the score board.
At Istanbul, for the first half of the race, the Mercedes was nearly a second a lap slower than the Red Bulls and McLarens. I can't see anywhere near that big an improvement in two weeks.
Quoting sudden (Reply 6): I think it will only happen if the RBR drivers will have a close encounter again.
The combination of slowish corners and long straights should be better for the McLarens rather than the Red Bulls. I think McLaren are most peooples favourites for Canada. If it were Silverstone, then they might as well give it to Red Bull now!
waterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2794 times:
Quoting stealthz (Reply 3):
Whilst you could say MS has retired twice because of a broken car one was only broken because he smashed it up against the wall!
Definitely true, that was my first F1 race I attended in person and that's the day the "champion's wall" gained its notoriety, IIRC Damon Hill, Villeneuve, and MSC all smashed their cars on the same piece of concrete.
EZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4929 posts, RR: 28 Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2787 times:
Agains all odds, it's the Ferrari comeback GP ...
seriously, I hope they do get their act together though. The season is a big dissapointment, despite Alonso being up there, it's just too obvious that the car can't compete with the RBR's and Mclaren's
bill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8320 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2776 times:
Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 11): seriously, I hope they do get their act together though. The season is a big dissapointment, despite Alonso being up there, it's just too obvious that the car can't compete with the RBR's and Mclaren's
The sad part about it is that Ferrari gave up on 2009 early on to focus on 2010, yet McLaren and RBR continued with development in 2009 until the end. Yet they can't seem to get on the pace of McLaren and RBR. Maybe too much focus on the F-duct thinking it delivered a greater performance advantage than it does?
stealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5431 posts, RR: 49 Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2631 times:
Whilst oil has been poured on the troubled waters at Red Bull(likely BP oil though!!) things may not be all that rosey at McLaren..
Quoting Planet F1: Hamilton later revealed that he was surprised by Button's attack as he had been told to save fuel, with radio messages in a video extract from the official F1 website backing up his claim.
McLaren: "Lewis, we need you to save fuel. Both cars are doing the same."
Hamilton acknowledged the team's request before saying: "Jenson's closing in on me, you guys."
Hamilton: "If I back off, is Jenson going to pass me or not?"
McLaren: "No, Lewis. No."
A few moments later, Button tried to do exactly that.
So who was stabbing Hammy in the back, the team or Jenson??
If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
sudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4127 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2611 times:
Quoting stealthz (Reply 17): So who was stabbing Hammy in the back, the team or Jenson??
No stabbing at all if you ask me. Button was not told that he could not overtake Hamilton as that would have been a team order, so I can't see that Button did anything wrong. If the team told him "no" they must have used smoke signals to advise Button not to overtake Hamilton in that case.
scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11362 posts, RR: 50 Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2589 times:
Quoting sudden (Reply 18): If the team told him "no" they must have used smoke signals to advise Button not to overtake Hamilton in that case.
They did - they told both drivers to save fuel. The only issue being when, exactly, each driver was told. After the tussle, Button was very forcibly told "Fuel critical, slow down!" I don't know how much clearer team orders need to be.
When a team is on the verge of a 1-2 I have absolutely no issue with team orders. The drivers should be told to maintain position and maximise the team's points. It's a team sport. We've just seen what happens when this isn't the case. The rule about team orders needs to be thown out, it's completely unenforcable and the type of coded messages we've seen are making a mokery of the rule. I just think the FIA is too stupid to see it.
Quoting stealthz (Reply 19): Perhaps not.. but why was LH told JB would not pass then?
Possibly because Hamilton's engineer believed that Button's engineer had told him to "save fuel" as well?
Fair enough, but "save fuel" without change of engine mapping on the steering can be done differently by the driver. What I mean is that if both drivers were told to set fuel mix whatever, then that would turn down the engine itself. Would have been more convenient then "saving fuel" as a team order.
I think it's good that Button went for it which gave us as spectators something to look at. Right or wrong can be discussed, but it was still good fun.
I think FIA knows it all to well but it would mean that they basically would need to check teams data after the race to see if the "save fuel" was justified. And if not, punish them!? Teams will always find ways to get around it one way or the other.
stealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5431 posts, RR: 49 Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2546 times:
Quoting scbriml (Reply 20): it's completely unenforcable and the type of coded messages we've seen are making a mokery of the rule. I just think the FIA is too stupid to see it.
Whilst I have had (and still do) have some resevations about the intelligence or downright fairness of some at the FIA I don't think they are that stupid. It does allow them "plausible denial" though, they can hold their hand on their heart and say they detected no team orders!!
If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
They know it happens. It's just not blatant or direct anymore. Maybe allow them so long as the driver is within X seconds of the other or at certain stages of the championship. you don't want to wind up with another farce like what happened with MSC and Barrichello in Austria a few years back.
25 scbriml: McLaren admit to "communication errors" = our team orders weren't clear enough! http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8728377.stm I e
26 bill142: Jean Todt says FOTA can't decide the tyre supplier. One would have thought the FIA were involved and FOTA wouldn't have been that dumb. Or perhaps wit
27 sudden: Massa to stay with Ferrari until 2012, http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84244 A bit of a surprise if you ask me. So at least we do know tha
28 bill142: I think he can push Renault back to the front. They're doing better than expected in really what should be viewed as a transitional year with new own