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US Rep Linda Sanchez Gets Ugly With AZ Law  
User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3049 posts, RR: 4
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4415 times:

US Rep.(D-Lakewood,Ca) Linda Sanchez has taken the debate of AZ immigration SB1070 to new lows.A typical democrat, pulling out the "r" word, who now charges that the AZ law has been fueled by white supremacists.Unreal! Well,Ms.Sanchez,no one as yet called you Mexican Nationalist,but maybe they should.

Where's Al Sharpton?

Here's the link by LA Times/Yahoo.


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...sswoman-in-hot-water.html#comments

[Edited 2010-06-04 12:06:49]


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

An obviously racist law sponsored by people with ties to the supremacist movement, now being accused of being racist? Oh, the horror! What is the world coming to!   

User currently offlinePacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4286 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
An obviously racist law

You do realize (don't you?) that the Arizona law makes fewer demands regarding the provision of identification documents by visitors to the United States (legal, illegal, or otherwise) than does U.S. federal law. Or does that mean that U.S. federal law is even more racist than Arizona law and, if so, why all the ruckus about Arizona? Besides, Mexican law regarding illegal visitors to Mexico is stricter than any law (state or federal) in the United States, so is Mexican law more racist than U.S. law and, if so, why all the ruckus about the U.S.? Why isn't anybody upset about racist Mexican immigration law? Or are Americans the only people in the world capable of racism? The last time I was in Europe I had to demonstrate I was there legally. I guess Europeans are racists too.
  


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24320 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

Linda Sanchez is a wacko herself. She's had several high profile public disputes here in Southern CA, including one a few years back I believe waving Mexican flags at a rally.

She displays total apathy against illegal immigration and has voted far left on a host of immigrant related bills, from everything to against funding for both a physical and electronic border fence with Mexico, wanted to create a means to tip off Mexicans about the presence of the Minuteman a few years back, voted to expand rights for illegal alien children attend schools, expansion of medical services for illegal aliens, etc...

Maybe its her background (daughter of Mexican migrants) but her views seemingly are that there is no border between the countries.



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6996 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4258 times:

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 2):
why all the ruckus about Arizona?


I do not know. The law which how is stands now just lets Police officers make sure people are here legally if they are stopped etc.. I would like my police officers enforcing the law!

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 2):
Mexican law regarding illegal visitors to Mexico is stricter than any law (state or federal) in the United States,


Exactly, but the Mexican President comes here and talks down the law in our capitol talk about ridiculous. And there is the VP and speaker of the house clapping with him. Of course Fox news is the only news agency which reports this, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS they do not care that a leader of another country came into our capitol to talk bad about our country. When his country has much worse and more strict immigration laws.

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 2):
I guess Europeans are racists too.


The US immigration laws are some of the easiest in the world. And then the Federal Government does not even enforce them much and does not want any other government agencies to enforce them.



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5477 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

But the question remains....is the source of the Ariz. Immigration Law, the craftsmanship of a White Supremacist organization? It appears to be true. If so, supporters must look at who they're doing their bidding for...and with whom they're standing shoulder-to-shoulder with.


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User currently offlineengineergreg From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4040 times:

I find it totally disgusting that Arizona has taken so much criticism for a law that, for the most part, mirrors the federal law and is MUCH more lenient than the Mexican immigration laws. Take a moment to pause and actually think (yes, I said think) about why Arizona passed this law in the first place. To start with, it couldn't have anything to do with the huge problem Arizona has had with illegal immigrants....  
Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
An obviously racist law

Really? So stopping people from being here illegally is racist then? Why don't you try entering Mexico illegally and see what happens then?


User currently offlineeaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 2):
You do realize (don't you?) that the Arizona law makes fewer demands regarding the provision of identification documents by visitors to the United States (legal, illegal, or otherwise) than does U.S. federal law. Or does that mean that U.S. federal law is even more racist than Arizona law and, if so, why all the ruckus about Arizona? Besides, Mexican law regarding illegal visitors to Mexico is stricter than any law (state or federal) in the United States, so is Mexican law more racist than U.S. law and, if so, why all the ruckus about the U.S.? Why isn't anybody upset about racist Mexican immigration law? Or are Americans the only people in the world capable of racism? The last time I was in Europe I had to demonstrate I was there legally. I guess Europeans are racists too.

Do you realize how the EU works. Whereas the U.S. border with Mexico is closed in the EU all of Eastern Europe is welcome to live, work and do anything they want all over Europe.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8202 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3998 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
An obviously racist law

Does Germany expel illegal visitors? If so, how does it identify them?

The paradox here is, in order to identify and protect your own citizens, you need to identify who is not a citizen. One way is, identify (and inconvenience) everybody, citizens and non-citizens alike. That way it is equal. Presumably, that is what the Arizona law can do, if applied fairly.


User currently offlinePacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

Quoting eaa3 (Reply 7):
Do you realize how the EU works. Whereas the U.S. border with Mexico is closed in the EU all of Eastern Europe is welcome to live, work and do anything they want all over Europe.

Uh, huh. So I guess people from North Africa, sub-Saharan Africa, the Middle East, South Asia, the Indian Subcontinent, and Southeast Asia, are free to just waltz into Europe without any restrictions? Do you know how the EU works? Have you not read the thousands of books, newspaper and magazine articles, academic journal articles, and scholarly papers that have analyzed the tensions in Europe over migration to Europe from other parts of the world? Are you not aware of entire political parties in Europe that have been formed in response to immigration issues? Give me a break.


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9960 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

Quoting eaa3 (Reply 7):
Do you realize how the EU works. Whereas the U.S. border with Mexico is closed in the EU all of Eastern Europe is welcome to live, work and do anything they want all over Europe.

Maybe if you're a citizen of the EU, but if you're not, do you not have to prove that you're there, legally, by showing your passport when you arrive? I think the example meant if you were arriving from somewhere OUTSIDE the EU, not within.



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3690 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3939 times:
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Quoting eaa3 (Reply 7):
Do you realize how the EU works. Whereas the U.S. border with Mexico is closed in the EU all of Eastern Europe is welcome to live, work and do anything they want all over Europe.

Yeah the EU doesn't have an illegal immigration problem at all. Those guys in boats coming from Libya to southern Italy all have legal papers right? What about all the Paki's in England, or the Turks in Germany? All there legally huh?  



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User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3873 times:

Quoting PSA53 (Thread starter):
pulling out the "r" word,

Let's drop the charade already. Racism is not a dirty word, nor is it taboo. This "'r' word" business that we've been seeing on this site lately is ridiculous. If the claim about a White Supremacist organization being behind this bill is correct, then racism certainly came into play in crafting this bill.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
Linda Sanchez is a wacko herself. She's had several high profile public disputes here in Southern CA, including one a few years back I believe waving Mexican flags at a rally.

How does waving a Mexican flag make one a wacko?

Quoting BN747 (Reply 5):
But the question remains....is the source of the Ariz. Immigration Law, the craftsmanship of a White Supremacist organization? It appears to be true. If so, supporters must look at who they're doing their bidding for...and with whom they're standing shoulder-to-shoulder with.

        



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13254 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3855 times:
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Quoting BN747 (Reply 5):
But the question remains....is the source of the Ariz. Immigration Law, the craftsmanship of a White Supremacist organization? It appears to be true.

Assume for a moment that it were true - does that automatically render the law as unjust? There's nothing in the law itself that promotes racism or even supports it. In fact, subsequent changes to the law expressly prohibit using race as a determining factor.

So, help me out here - how is this law racist?



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 5943 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3823 times:
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Quoting engineergreg (Reply 6):
Really? So stopping people from being here illegally is racist then? Why don't you try entering Mexico illegally and see what happens then?

Nothing will happen. illegals found out are taken to the Instituto Nacional de Migración authorities. They are then sent to one of their migratory centers. There, they are sorted out. The proper Consulate and Embassy will be contacted, a thorough health check will be performed, and they will be properly and nutritously fed. They are then sent home. These centers are no jails. There is no police there. And the illegals inside are not treated like criminals.

Is the above so horrible? What is it that you think will happen? Do you think illegals in Mexico are shot? skinned alive? tattooed? sent to jail? sterilized? Used to make ratings-hungry documentaries in Nat-Geo? Illuminate me please.

[Edited 2010-06-05 04:44:11]


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User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3592 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

Quoting engineergreg (Reply 6):

Do you realize how the EU works. Whereas the U.S. border with Mexico is closed in the EU all of Eastern Europe is welcome to live, work and do anything they want all over Europe.

No, you still have to go through the appropriate channels. A person from a country outside the EU (ie. Ukraine & Moldova since you picked E.Europe) cannot do whatever they want in the EU. They need a visa to get into the EU countries first and then all appropriate paperwork to stay for longer and work etc.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
An obviously racist law sponsored by people with ties to the supremacist movement, now being accused of being racist?

I worked in Germany for several months, flying to Munich every week. Because my flight was from Greece (in EU and Schengen), I was always asked for a passport/ID as soon as I stepped out of the gate by police officers in civilian clothing. My colleagues coming in the same day from AMS, BRU and ZRH never saw something like that. So I guess it was racially motivated, right?


User currently offlinegatorfan From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3774 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
An obviously racist law sponsored by people with ties to the supremacist movement, now being accused of being racist? Oh, the horror! What is the world coming to!   

Have you read the law? Please tell us what specifically is racist about it.


User currently offlineyanqui67 From Puerto Rico, joined Jan 2005, 508 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

Some Mexican immigrant laws. I verified these by looking at their constitution. Pretty harsh laws if you ask me. The US should mirror these laws. After all we are following the lead of our good friends to the south.

1. If you migrate to this county, you must speak the native language

2. You have to be a professional or an investor. No unskilled workers
allowed.

3. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no
special ballots for elections, all government business will be
conducted
in our language.

4. Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they
are here.

5 Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office.

6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no
food
stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs.

7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount
equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.

8. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT
options will be restricted. You are not allowed waterfront property.
That is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.

9. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign
flag, no political organizing, no badmouthing our president or his
policies, if you do you will be sent home.

10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down
and sent straight to jail.


User currently offlineeaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3699 times:

Quoting lewis (Reply 15):
No, you still have to go through the appropriate channels. A person from a country outside the EU (ie. Ukraine & Moldova since you picked E.Europe) cannot do whatever they want in the EU. They need a visa to get into the EU countries first and then all appropriate paperwork to stay for longer and work etc.

Yes if your from outside of the EU. My point is that within the last 10 years Western Europe opened the border to 10 Eastern European countries and it worked relatively well. The total population of the 10 Eastern European countries is larger proportionally to the population of Western Europe than Mexico is to the US.

I'm not saying that Europe has opened it's borders to the entire world. I'm just saying that opening it's borders to the poorer Eastern Europe worked well. I am an economics student and there are very few economic theories that say that immigration is a bad thing for the economy. So the reality is that United States benifits economically from these workers. They don't take the jobs of "Hard working Americans" because that assumes that the amount of jobs in the economy is a constant which it is not. With more workers an economy grows and more jobs are created. But there is a problem in that none of these workers pay taxes, this could however be fixed with legalization.


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6996 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3691 times:

Quoting yanqui67 (Reply 17):
9. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign
flag, no political organizing, no badmouthing our president or his
policies, if you do you will be sent home.

And we let the president of Mexico talk about our laws. Why doesnt President Obama go to Mexico City and talk about their laws.

Quoting yanqui67 (Reply 17):
6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no
food
stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs.

  

Quoting yanqui67 (Reply 17):
1. If you migrate to this county, you must speak the native language

   Those two are great. They should apply them here.



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9960 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3674 times:

Quoting eaa3 (Reply 18):
I'm not saying that Europe has opened it's borders to the entire world. I'm just saying that opening it's borders to the poorer Eastern Europe worked well.

Are we talking about "legal" or "illegal" immigration?

Quoting eaa3 (Reply 18):
So the reality is that United States benifits economically from these workers.

You would think so, but ask any of the states with large "illegal" immigrant populations whether or not their state is overburdened with crime, welfare, medical, etc. costs that end up being paid for by the taxpayers, because of course, non of these illegals pay taxes, nor would they want to.



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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3649 times:

Quoting yanqui67 (Reply 17):
If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down
and sent straight to jail.



         Roger that..... OR change the laws to allow anyone to come in , any time , anyway.

Its that simple ... either strip all of our immigration laws out and make it a turn style border ...or up hold the laws . Why is it so hard to understand? .... I don't get it.

Forget it ... its too late I believe .



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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3632 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 13):
So, help me out here - how is this law racist?



EA ... You forget Jesus ..... Pelosi is now acting with the power of Jesus . The "Word" as she say's it .... immigrants have the right to come here and ..vote DEMOCRAT ...the party of the "word"..



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User currently offlineeaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3609 times:

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 22):
Third, your Economics professor should have made clear the distinction between the effects of legal and illegal migrant workers on an economy.

Why would an economic model ever make a distinction between illegal and legal immigrants? Certainly illegal immigrants often don't pay taxes so there is an effect on government budget balances. But that is minimal and has minimal negative effect on economic growth and unemployment. All the more reason to make illegal immigrants legal and perhaps even open the border. Then you would at least be able to tax them. Ultimately though the CBO believes that the effect of illegal immigration on budgets is minimal.


Acording to NPR: "There are places in the United States where illegal immigration has big effects (both positive and negative). But economists generally believe that when averaged over the whole economy, the effect is a small net positive. Harvard's George Borjas says the average American's wealth is increased by less than 1 percent because of illegal immigration. "

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8711/12-6-Immigration.pdf
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5312900

Immigration is good for economic growth and the distinction between legal and illegal is minimal.

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 22):
Second, your professor who taught you logic should have instructed you on how to make a proper analogy. The analogy of Mexican migrants to the United States is not migrants from member states of the EU in Europe, it is migrants from countries outside of the EU (just as migrants from Mexico come from outside the United States).

Professor of logic? Ok. Do you realise that the EU only opened its borders to Eastern Europe 6 years ago. Romania and Bulgaria only 3 years ago. My point is that the EU opened up it's borders. Legalized all their workers and it worked well.


User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3049 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 12):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 3):
Linda Sanchez is a wacko herself. She's had several high profile public disputes here in Southern CA, including one a few years back I believe waving Mexican flags at a rally.

How does waving a Mexican flag make one a wacko?

If at the time she waved a foreign flag was she was employed as an officer of the US,then yes,I would have a big problem with that.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 5):
But the question remains....is the source of the Ariz. Immigration Law, the craftsmanship of a White Supremacist organization? It appears to be true. If so, supporters must look at who they're doing their bidding for...and with whom they're standing shoulder-to-shoulder with.

1)What solid prove do have to even appear extreme white parties played a factor?As mention many times before,it is a failure of the Fed to enforce laws that were already in place written in very much the way SB1070 was..
2)I can only imagine if the roles were reversed and a Repub made such extreme harsh claim about a law in a "Blue" state of how long he/she would of lasted in office.And maybe that's the thing.AZ is a "RED" state ,so,blast away.

Ms.Sanchez needs to resign.

[Edited 2010-06-05 11:51:42]


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25 Post contains images AirframeAS : I have heard the exact opposite. I know you, AR385 are proud of your country but you don't need to sugar coat it. Why not just tell us how it really
26 AR385 : Here we go again. This is false. This is false. You need to define which is OUR language. There are over 40 native languages spoken in Mexico. And in
27 Post contains images AirframeAS : Why do you keep doing that when it is actually in your Constitution???
28 LAXintl : To wrap oneself around the flag of another sovereign nation while being a US elected official is a no-no. Such acts draw into question her allegiance
29 BN747 : Simple, because of it's origins. Where it came from. That being okay with you - for now - only fuels the original authors to now target something or
30 DeltaMD90 : Well, just some truth speaking, there is not a huge illegal Aussies/Brits/Italians/Kiwis problem. Furthermore, if an illegal Aussies/Brits/Italians/K
31 LAXintl : A law that specifically mentions certain nationalities would be illegal as its clearly discriminatory. The AZ law, does not say anything about nation
32 dxing : According to what? Certainly nothing in the story supports that nor has the esteemed Rep. provided any further details to back up her charge. Please.
33 Post contains links gatorfan : Let's address these one by one: Articulo 42 of Ley General de Poblacion appears to contradict this. In fact Paragraph/Section III of that article spec
34 Post contains links BN747 : Let's stop play dumb, we all know EXACTLY who this law is targeting .. LAXIntl makes that case very clear. The only problem is, supporters of this la
35 PSA53 : No ,it did not.It came from a reform acting immigration group.And that does not necessary make it racial or hate group.Immigration is a economic issu
36 Flighty : No, it doesn't work like that. If a racist says 2 + 2 = 4, then she might be totally right. And, she doesn't make math racist by saying so. We need t
37 PacNWjet : Let's just assume for the moment that the driving force behind the Arizona law is a racist group. If that is the case, then you just have to laugh at
38 wn700driver : Does it appear to be true, or is it something that this Rep is pouting off about? It is one thing if the former, but still requiring significant evid
39 Post contains images stratosphere : Sure it is who do you think is coming here in droves? Maybe that has something to do with it. So Mexican authorities will do nothing you say? I have
40 LAXintl : So you say we should ignore a tide of illegal activity because the perpetrators majoritarily happen to be non-white? I certainly don't care, and I do
41 dxing : That is your opinion, not supported by the facts as they have so far been presented. So you have a dispute between the SPLC, which only exists if it
42 ShyFlyer : First, let us remind ourselves that the standard of living in Canada is on par with that of the US. Mexico's standard of living, generally speaking,
43 Post contains links BN747 : What on earth does that answer mean...feel free to offer up another opinion as what else a mindset like that you're defending.... this could possibly
44 WarRI1 : If you can find the wording in the Arizona Law that specifically targets one race, would you please post them on here. I cannot find them.
45 dxing : What mindset? The law closely mirrors the federal one. However the federal law is even more strict than the AZ state law. Are you claiming the federa
46 BN747 : That's 'your' argument. Mine in this thread has been consistant, that 'that law' is of racist origins and racist roots as Congresswoman Sanchez has c
47 Maverick623 : And in addition to having stopped someone for something else to begin with, the officer has to have reasonable suspicion of being an illegal alien. (
48 Post contains images AirframeAS : I don't think you are understanding what LAXintl was saying in reply 31. It has nothing to with race. He just stated it is a blanket law. It applies
49 Post contains images mayor : Is it because they aren't? Without actually copying all the statements you have made, I'll say this....you have yet to give any proof that this bill
50 Post contains links dxing : It's been consitently unproven as well. You quote a news story which mentions a blog, and a group that had some sort of hand in crafting the law, how
51 mayor : Well, THAT certainly sounds like an unbiased source.
52 dxing : Should have read "may not" be considered.
53 Post contains images EA CO AS : Good. Then this means you support 1070. Again, good - because that's precisely what 1070 does. It's not? Funny, the language in 1070 makes no distinc
54 lewis : Well of course they can move around if they come from a member country of the union! In order for these countries to share the borders of the EU, a l
55 mayor : Please, please, please......show us where this law targets anyone because of their race......I don't think you can. Nice analogy......too bad it does
56 Post contains links yanqui67 : Mexico's immigration laws are codified in what's called Ley General de Población, or General Law on Population. Some examples, Referenced articles ar
57 Post contains images AirframeAS : So, what do you say, AR385? Something you missed in your Mexican History class in High School, maybe you slept through it?? Thanks for the more depth
58 Lufthansa411 : Having read a sizeable amount of the border-crossing literature, many of the problems stem from the "pass the torch east" routine played over the las
59 BN747 : Whether it does or not, has nothing to do with MY argument, the source of the law is of a White Supremacist Organization...period. I've cited where i
60 AirframeAS : For the umpteenth time, No...... it does not do that. It will only happen if one commits a crime like speeding, for example. Someone has to commit a
61 EA CO AS : Help me to understand why it matters who proposes a law as long as it's a good one. As one person said earlier, if a white supremacist says 2+2=4 wou
62 AR385 : Do not patronize me. This is not Mexican history. This is Mexican law. Sadly, not taught in High School. I do not want to engage in a debate on Mexic
63 Post contains images einsteinboricua : Who is Arnold Shwarzenegger, Alex?
64 Maverick623 : Please refer to the proper definition of "jail". Or are you saying people can just walk out if they go there? Just like there are no police at the 4t
65 gatorfan : That's not true. The ways around it is a 99 year lease for beachfront property and forming a corporation to hold the property. However, it doesn't ch
66 Lufthansa411 : Disregard this if what you said was in jest, but Arnold has US citizenship, allowing him to run for US office. If he only held Austrian citizenship,
67 WarRI1 : I wonder why, your interpretation of the law supercedes the wording of the law, show me one race that is targeted. The law is against illegal immigra
68 dxing : You haven't proved that is has. You cited a news report that cites a blogger. You cite a Rep. that says "she heard" it came from a racist group, that
69 AR385 : Some news for you. Arnold is a legal American citizen. They can´t. Does that make it a "jail"? I guess places in airports where foreigners are detai
70 EA CO AS : Owning and leasing are two entirely separate things. When you lease, you have not assumed ownership.
71 Maverick623 : Yes, it does. Technically, yes they are. Jail is not a legal term; any place of involuntary detainment is considered a prison. Jail is a colloquial t
72 Post contains links BN747 : Yes they are citizens, but they are threat to prosperity, welfare, betterment of the American society..they are worse than any illegal alien could ev
73 Post contains images EA CO AS : Lovely. You cannot reasonably back up your position, so you resort to ad hominem attacks. I actually wonder that quite a bit, to be honest. The only
74 gatorfan : Having a bundle of rights that approximates ownership, is not in fact ownership. There's a huge difference. Detention before entry into the country i
75 Post contains images mayor : The only thought I've given it, is after reading the law and finding NOTHING racist in it, I wonder why the legal immigrants in this country would be
76 Post contains links BN747 : That makes no sense whatsoever, apply some common sense here..they are responding because they are aware of the 'extra powers' police are given. They
77 AirframeAS : There's your problem. Why not just admit you are 100% wrong?
78 AGM100 : Sadly ...not much except to report them to ICE/BP etc. If they pull someone over and they don't have any ID ..they can now report them to the Fed . I
79 Post contains images ATCtower : To me this should say it all.... A "Latin" democrat from liberal hippy-ville California has a problem with stopping illegal immigration? OH THE HUMAN
80 BN747 : Fortunately for you, you live in that same racial world..you're just much better are tuning it out and pretending it doesn't exist. But history tells
81 Post contains links dxing : Why do you think so many are for it? http://kosu.org/2010/05/some-arizona-latinos-embrace-immigration-law/ Because they want amnesty. That is what th
82 AGM100 : No .. I don't go about my life looking for racial events and excuses . I don't ... I am so used to being around Latinos that I don't even think about
83 BN747 : Okay, you're right...we do live in different worlds because the way human encounters mixed with the police dynamic blows that argument to hell and ba
84 dxing : It is no "source" at all. I can find bloggers that say that the United flight that hit WTC2 was unmanned and fired missiles at the building just befo
85 AGM100 : Oh Ok ... so we should not enforce the law because some latinos dont trust the police ? Whatever ... I live in a city that is at least 40-50% latino.
86 BN747 : Oh brother, a Rush Limbaugh.Bill O'Reilly perspective really sews it up. We argued this years ago...can't help there pal. And buying into falsehoods
87 LAXintl : OK, even if it does, so what. Even members of the KKK, Nazi party, Communist etc. have rights to express opinions. Just because the source might be s
88 engineergreg : Ok, I see that somebody has not read the law, so I will post a portion of Article 8 Section B: Unless I am missing something, I don't see anything th
89 BN747 : And what you're not getting is police do this every day to people in low income areas. What is this where you people think that cops everywhere are a
90 LAXintl : Which is exactly what you are doing. Instead how of looking at things rationally and acknowledge this country and Arizona in particular has a problem
91 AirframeAS : Can you prove that? Can you seriously prove that?? I challenge you. Just out of curiousity...... Are you actually believing a word that US Rep Sanche
92 Post contains links BN747 : Yes, to adults who should know better and who should by at least age 25 have a set of guiding principles by they know when something is acceptable an
93 dxing : Not only that he is believing the word of an unsourced blogger.
94 LAXintl : The point is that its a criminal act to be in the United States illegally. That is the crime. So I suppose you advocate open border, and wish no cont
95 engineergreg : I asked you to point out from the law where this is allowed to happen, and instead you answer with "police do this every day" and that cops are not "
96 Post contains images BN747 : So cops don't do these things? The actions of Good Cops outnumber the acts of Bad Cops..empirical evidence show that. But bad acts of abuse by the po
97 Post contains images einsteinboricua : Are we clear? What is the definition of a legal foreigner? Cause if it's what I understood (a person that has acquired citizenship of the country the
98 Post contains images mayor : Unfortunately, until the Constitution is changed, they have as much right to influence the law as you do and while you might not like to hear it, the
99 Post contains links EA CO AS : I've seen the source data: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/dataonline/...earch/Crime/State/StatebyState.cfm and the "violent crime" definition is rape, murd
100 BN747 : Have you been listening to Islamic Jihadist/Clerics within America constantly blasting America with a record dating back some 200+ plus years? How lo
101 EA CO AS : So would you say that all Muslim extremists are terrorists too? Or just the ones that blow shit up? Mere speech, no matter how offensive or repugnant
102 Post contains links dxing : Is non existant since I'm not making claims about what they have done. Have they even been asked? According to whom? They said no such thing. What yo
103 AGM100 : If You think I live with blinders on your a fool. You think I don't see the freaking potential race war brewing in our country !!!!!!! . Ya of course
104 mayor : Not until they perform a terrorist act.......until then, they and they anti-American Muslims are protected by the first amendment. I don't like it, y
105 mham001 : What you are completely overlooking is the effect of an uncontrolled glut of workers has on wages. I work in the construction industry. Wages have li
106 BN747 : Now you two fellas have just erased the history of White Supremacists in America, and their activities clean. What insanity...just because they haven
107 AGM100 : So what the hell should I do BN ..... bend over and kiss every black and brown ass that I encounter..? Make them feel special for being brown .?? Foo
108 LAXintl : And the actions of any bad cops will be dealt with. Since when do we not enforce laws with the fear something might go wrong along the way? And you c
109 Post contains images AirframeAS : Back at ya, BN747. I ask you a question and you send me this.......... You can't even answer my question and now I wonder why...... You're running aw
110 AR385 : Fair enough. Can a foreigner who is not an American citizen and is just off the boat in New York vote?, run for office? Let´s assume he has been in
111 Post contains images AirframeAS : We just told you the answer to that. It has been repeated many times on this thread. And you know this, how? Do you work for the Mexican Government??
112 BN747 : C'mon dude, stop being lazy! Look up who they are, how they came to be and stop asking me to do explain it to you. You can't be serious with what you
113 AirframeAS : Oh, you betcha. You have been debunked over and over and over...... Because it isn't. People have been telling you that, especially dxing has in repl
114 LAXintl : Generally yes, the bad apples do get identified and dealt with. And again, as a society we do not ignore the law or are afraid to enforce simply beca
115 mham001 : I know exactly how hard it is, (or easy) to become a US citizen, my wife is a recent immigrant and going through the process. Once her Green Card was
116 gatorfan : Technically that's not correct (at the state level). Many states have residency requirements for positions like Governor. In fact, the Florida Consti
117 Post contains links mayor : Amongst all this hullabaloo about a law that is obviously NOT racist, I found this little gem. It is almost exactly the same as the Arizona law and ye
118 mayor : Well, you still haven't proven that the law came from the white supremacists.....all you have given us are some spurious accusations from the SPLC, a
119 BN747 : I don't see me getting the slightest bit bothered by the flaming..it's obvious to me where that comes from. What does bother me in this thread is whe
120 dxing : You have yet to prove that they are (A) a white supremacist group and the (B) they had any substantial hand in writing the bill. Meanwhile in reply #
121 BN747 : Of course they're gonna deny they are a hate group, what exactly did you expect them, to say. Hitler wouldn't call himself a monster...but others wou
122 WarRI1 : I do not consider myself a dimlit bulb, or a racist. I consider myself a former hardworking, now retired, union supporter and a Patriotic American. I
123 AR385 : I assume you are an American citizen. If she married you, her Green Card would have been available to her in 7 months. Then, yes, in 3 years she is e
124 mayor : Kind of strange how you come up with these short little rejoinders to my posts and yet, you still refuse to answer any of my questions or show me how
125 Post contains images AirframeAS : Amazing how you still have not answered my question. And you cannot prove it because there is no evidence showing that a White Supremacist group wrot
126 AR385 : Really? Yet it seems that some people here have not understood the answer. They keep raising the same naive questions. No, I do not. Maybe she has ba
127 AirframeAS : No, it's not. The law states that foreign ownership of an airline is very much restricted to 25% I believe.... (I wanna say 48% but that is what I am
128 AR385 : So. What gives then? I guess "anything" does not mean everything. Restrictions for foreign ownership exist. Not everything is for sale to foreigners.
129 Post contains links and images AirframeAS : Bingo! Now you're gettin' it. Guess I was wrong.... you're not gettin' it. I'm right, you're wrong. Go look in the countless VX ownership threads. Or
130 EA CO AS : Well said. BN doesn't get it because he doesn't WANT to get it. He's content to see only his perspective.
131 Post contains images dxing : There are plenty of groups that do admit they are white supremacist. I challenged you to go to the site and find anything that speaks of that, you ha
132 AR385 : To the above, I replied: You have deliberately misquoted me. I do not know why you did that. I don´t agree at all with your posts, but I do not play
133 Post contains images captaink : Just to clarify this owning of land thing. According to Article 27 of the Political Constitution of the United Mexican States: So, only Mexicans (by b
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