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Canada: Excellence Shall Not Be Tolerated  
User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8711 posts, RR: 24
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

When will our generation understand that shielding your children from competition is just setting them up for failure?

http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/06...s-and-you-lose-ottawa-league-says/

Quote:
In yet another nod to the protection of fledgling self-esteem, an Ottawa children’s soccer league has introduced a rule that says any team that wins a game by more than five points will lose by default.


[Edited 2010-06-06 20:22:11]


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30 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineafterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2829 times:

Stupid rule. Why don't they just make a rule that stops a game whenever a team has scored five more goals than the opponent?

User currently offlineredflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4252 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

Makes me wonder what the ancient Mayans would say about this new 5-point rule when compared to their form of "sportsmanship"...

Quote:
The winners of the game were treated as heroes and given a great feast. The penalty for losing a game was unusually harsh: death.
http://www.socialstudiesforkids.com/...les/worldhistory/mayanballgame.htm



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User currently offlinetrvyyz From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1369 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

Quoting afterburner (Reply 1):
Stupid rule. Why don't they just make a rule that stops a game whenever a team has scored five more goals than the opponent?

  

Can these rule makers get way with nonsense like this? To win make the opponent score more or what if the team makes a self goal?


User currently offlineaa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2745 times:

Talk about confusing impressionable kids...

Competition can be healthy. Just don't ever over do it (parents).

Competition can help when interviewing for a job or when you are competing in the business place against colleagues.



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User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 2985 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2732 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
wins a game by more than five points

Given that it is football (soccer), where games are won by goals not points, it really doesn't matter how many points a team has  

This reminds me of an episode of How I Met Your Mother when Marshall becomes coach of a school basketball team, in whose matches score is never kept...

signol



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2699 times:

First the pussyfication of the US, now Canada, next the world....   

User currently offlineafterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 6):
First the pussyfication of the US, now Canada, next the world...

   The title of this thread should be edited. This thread is not about Canada as a country.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

What's next? If you are too successful in life and make more money than everybody else the government will charge you extremely high taxes for your successes? Glad that doesn't happen!  


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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6680 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 6):
First the pussyfication of the US, now Canada, next the world....

Norway has already been pussyfied, kids don't get to know the score, daft because most 5 year olds can count, they know who won and who didn't.


User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2571 times:

Cool. Score 5 own goals and win by default 

It's a stupid move, but seeing what some parents do to their kids in the name of competition I can understand it to a certain point.


User currently offlineHorizonGirl From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 807 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

Quoting JJJ (Reply 10):
It's a stupid move, but seeing what some parents do to their kids in the name of competition I can understand it to a certain point.

I understand the intention, but what is the winning team supposed to do when they get a four point lead? Stop trying?

Devon



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5610 posts, RR: 45
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2527 times:
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A friend here has a son in a junior rugby team. The under 6 age group do not keep score but are taught the skills. In a further attempt to eliminate the "not all equal" issue is that their jerseys do not have numbers but letters.
This kind of back fired when, upon receiving his jersey emblazoned with a large C my friend's son immediately assumed he was the team captain.
More importantly he started acting like it, which just proves despite the best(worst) efforts of the PC crowd, the cream will always rise to the top!

Cheers



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User currently offlineoffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 858 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

Except that near the end of the article it states that it is only a temporary rule....

"The new rule, suggested by “involved parents,” is a temporary measure that will be replaced by a pre-season skill assessment to make fair teams."

.... but then there'll probably be counselling made available for the kids who get picked last!



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User currently offlineRonglimeng From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

I agree with "afterburner" (Reply 7). A title edit is called for.

This story is not about Canada. It is not even about the province of Ontario, or the city of Ottawa. It may possibly be about the "Gloucester Dragons Recreational Soccer League", but probably it is only about some members of the 12-person board of directors of that league who were influenced by "involved parents" (read the link).

Some people are lazy thinkers and are just too ready to generalise on things, based on isolated events. We should put more effort into writing titles....often that is all that people read!


User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2172 times:

Add one more line under the 'what's wrong with the "entitlement generation"' heading.

Lame.



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4482 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

Quoting JJJ (Reply 10):
Cool. Score 5 own goals and win by default

I like it! That's thinking! 



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User currently onlinephotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2643 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

He Shoots.... He Scores.... He Looses.
He Shoots.... He Misses.... He Wins.

There's something basically EVIL with thinking and rules like this.


User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

Pussyfication indeed..to the max
Probably the parents of the kids that sucked anyway haha

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 8):
What's next? If you are too successful in life and make more money than everybody else the government will charge you extremely high taxes for your successes? Glad that doesn't happen!

Man nowadays who knows...



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User currently offlineexFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

I can understand having some rules to de-emphasize winning for very young children, but there's a difference between "de-emphasize" and "punish". Perhaps a rule that if you build up a large lead, you have to let all your second-string players play, or that if the margin goes over 5 goals you have to pull your goalie until it drops back to 5?

Quoting signol (Reply 5):
Given that it is football (soccer), where games are won by goals not points, it really doesn't matter how many points a team has

Well, given that it is soccer, who cares...period?  


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12884 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2005 times:

In various USA Collegate, state High School and communtity student sports districts, there have been rules put in to prevent teams from 'running up' the score against a substantually weaker opponent. For example, some Little League groups have 'mercy' rules so that if after 5 complete innings one is up by more than 7 runs, (like 7-0) the game ends. In some sports, it the margin by one team is well above another, they requires by rule or an interpertation of general 'sportmanship' rules, that the best players must be pulled by the leading team or in football, no passing of the football by the far leading teams. Some teams that continue to show poor sportmanship by running up scores may be limited from participating in playoffs/championships.

Yes, we all like to 'win' but especially with youth sports, the healthy team activity is more important, not winning, especially by an embarassing score. That hurts more than helps the kids.


User currently offlineaa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 20):
Yes, we all like to 'win' but especially with youth sports, the healthy team activity is more important, not winning, especially by an embarassing score. That hurts more than helps the kids.

Really? I can't recall losses from when I was a kid. I think people are overly sensitive to this. I mean its amazing people somehow continued to live their lives before this sensitivity crap started....



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21107 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1978 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 20):
Yes, we all like to 'win' but especially with youth sports, the healthy team activity is more important, not winning, especially by an embarassing score. That hurts more than helps the kids.

Mercy rules are one thing. Saying that the winning team will lose because the score was too lopsided is quite another.

-Mir



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7637 posts, RR: 37
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

So, once life gets you beat, no biggie, mommy and daddy will change the rules so their little angel won't get a complex ... spare me  

Just a thought, but maybe the coaches and parents should be a bit more encouraging and commited after such a "defeat" and teach the kids to work harder and see the results themselves after some hard work ... oh wait, thats right, thats already been taken out of the parenting handbook.



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User currently offlineyooyoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

My god, just pull a forward back after you get a good lead and work on some passing and positioning and defending. My daughters coach did that last week after "we" got a 6 goal lead in the second half.

Learn how to win and learn how to loose.



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25 CXB77L : This rule is ridiculous. I disagree with any notion of handicapping the winning team when the margin is 'too much', whether it is dressed up as a "mer
26 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : I just heard the Detroit Lions are asking for this rule to be implemented in the NFL. But wow, what a stupid rule. What morons came up with this rule
27 connies4ever : Just a complete dumb-ass by-law. There are lots of leagues (not just in soccer) where scores aren't kept but skills are taught. I'd say in a score-kee
28 Boeing744 : Agreed... This only affects a suburb of Ottawa. Moreover, it is not a "law" as some people in this thread are portraying it - rather, it's just a rul
29 Post contains images newark777 : That's just playing with semantics. Seriously, though, I've seen a number of people my age who were coddled throughout their pre-adult lives go throu
30 gatorfan : I coach my daughter's (8 year old) soccer team and I can tell you that the kids learn a HELL of a lot more about themselves when they lose, than when
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