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Helen Thomas: Jews Should Go Back To Poland Etc...  
User currently offlinejfk69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1419 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4383 times:

White House Press Correspondent had some interesting things to say this week regarding Jews........Thoughts?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...ny-poland/?fbid=Ias6uV-PQG0&hpt=T2

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User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4366 times:

"All blacks should go back to Africa"

Would I still have a job, as a major news reporter, if I openly said that?

As someone who is Jewish, I am not surprised that her comments have received little attention. Had it been the comment above, the public explosion would have created a situation where it would be impossible for Reuters to keep her on staff. But it's cool to hate Jews/Israel/etc. and because of what is happening in the Eastern Mediterranean with the flotilla, some people are willing to forgive her ugly comments. It's rather bullsh*t.


User currently offlinejfk69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4335 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 1):
"All blacks should go back to Africa"

Would I still have a job, as a major news reporter, if I openly said that?

As someone who is Jewish, I am not surprised that her comments have received little attention. Had it been the comment above, the public explosion would have created a situation where it would be impossible for Reuters to keep her on staff. But it's cool to hate Jews/Israel/etc. and because of what is happening in the Eastern Mediterranean with the flotilla, some people are willing to forgive her ugly comments. It's rather bullsh*t.

  

Could not agree more....many us Jews need a Rev. Al !!


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

Quoting jfk69 (Reply 2):
Could not agree more....many us Jews need a Rev. Al !!

Al Sharpton is not someone who you should be looking at as a role model. You need a Jewish Bill Cosby. Oh wait, that's Jerry Seinfeld.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8840 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

She is no longer a hard new reporter (if she ever was one), only a columnist, and her being given a favored status given a front seat at White House press events was dubious at best. She has as much business being there as Rush Limbaugh or Bill Maher.

The White House should revoke her membership of the White House press pool.



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User currently offlinefridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4294 times:
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Helen Thomas huh. No surprise there. She's no journalist, just a hag with a big mouth who likes to hear herself talk.

"Her apology" on her website IMHO, is not sincere. She's just backtrackin'! She said she “deeply” regretted her comments.

No Thomas, you don't. But I hope one day soon you will...........ON THE UNEMPLOYMENT LINE!

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 1):



Well said UH60, well said!

Just my   



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21460 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4276 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 1):
"All blacks should go back to Africa"
Would I still have a job, as a major news reporter, if I openly said that?

It would be a totally different statement since black americans are not occupying the USA or oppressing its population against their will (that bizarre idea can be left to crazy white supremacists and some of the teabaggers) but (most of) their ancestors have instead been abducted from Africa as slaves.

Thomas' statement is very harsh and could certainly not be implemented by force, but the comparison with black americans is just totally unrelated to her point.


User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3871 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4240 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
It would be a totally different statement since black americans are not occupying the USA or oppressing its population against their will (that bizarre idea can be left to crazy white supremacists and some of the teabaggers) but (most of) their ancestors have instead been abducted from Africa as slaves

Okay, then let's change it to all Hmong should go back to Laos (the hmong in the U.S. fled the ethnic cleansing policy of the Pathet Lao) or change it to all hispanics should go back to Mexico/Latin America...Still has the same effect.

What about the sephardic Jews--the Jews whose homes were in arab lands, and were citizens of those countries, before they had their citizenship revoked and were forcibly expelled--should they be forced to go back to Iran, Morocco, Egypt?

Thomas doesn't realize that for people who were born and raised in Israel, Israel is their home. They don't know europe. They are Israeli Jews of ashkenazi heritage.

Why you would even attempt to excuse such a comment by bringing in the Israel-Palestine situation is beyond me. Thomas would have been fine if she just would have said "Israel needs to get out of Palestine" but she didn't. She decided to go further, and she did indeed cross the line into anti-Semitic territory.


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8840 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
It would be a totally different statement since black americans are not occupying the USA or oppressing its population against their will (that bizarre idea can be left to crazy white supremacists and some of the teabaggers) but (most of) their ancestors have instead been abducted from Africa as slaves.

Sure, totally different from Jews wanting to leave countries that historically despised them and would declare open season on them every couple of decades.

As a German, how would you feel about a few million Israelis coming back to Germany?



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21460 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4144 times:

Quoting us330 (Reply 7):
Okay, then let's change it to all Hmong should go back to Laos (the hmong in the U.S. fled the ethnic cleansing policy of the Pathet Lao) or change it to all hispanics should go back to Mexico/Latin America...Still has the same effect.

The issue would be the situation of the occupying population (if there was actually (still) an occupation going on). Without the occupation and all its fallout, hardly anybody would object to Israel as it is.

Quoting us330 (Reply 7):
Thomas doesn't realize that for people who were born and raised in Israel, Israel is their home.

Thomas apparently spoke up unfiltered and obviously deeply frustrated about the situation. It didn't look or sound like a thought-through proposal.

That being said, the depth of the roots people have in their country matters, the more the deeper they go. Which is one of the reasons why the israeli settler movement is aggressively pushing for the erection of additional settlements and the further displacement of palestinians.

The native americans have suffered a similar fate: Basically most if not all of the USA is really an occupation regime – the natives have just been weakened and the illegal immigrants established themselves to the point of the occupiers actually becoming natives on their own. It is a tragic development in many respects, but the longer this goes on and the more marginalized the original natives become, the easier it gets to simply disregard the way the situation has come about.

The israeli hardliners like Sharon, Netanyahu and Liebermann obviously aim at this kind of "resolution".

What is being done to the occupied population now is certainly a moral issue, but presently burning moral issues have a long, long history of gradually turning into historical tragedies which at some point become irrevocable by their sheer momentum.

The momentum that helped create the modern Israel was in turn created by the pogroms throughout (mostly european) history ultimately culminating in the Holocaust – but as understandable as that creation has been, it has unfortunately created a new tragedy in its wake.

Looking primarily for guilt is usually shortsighted, but I think it would be a severe mistake to ignore how much of the same energy is still driving the current conflict as it has done in earlier times, if indirect, but sometimes with eerily similar overtones.

The Likud/Settler approach to the conflict is obviously headed towards violent confrontation, as are at least parts of the palestinian leaders. But merely digging deeper trenches and lobbing heavier grenades clearly won't get anybody anywhere.

A real, sincere acknowledgment of the fundamental rights of the other is absolutely inevitable, the problem is that the leaders don't seem up to it at this point. Many earlier chances have been destroyed by radicals on both sides, but that still doesn't make the destructive approach any more viable – it has only one possible outcome, just in two different possible directions, and neither is an acceptable one.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 8):
Sure, totally different from Jews wanting to leave countries that historically despised them and would declare open season on them every couple of decades.

That comparison would be closer to the palestinian side today. Israel is not being occupied, it is the occupier.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 8):
As a German, how would you feel about a few million Israelis coming back to Germany?

If it solved the whole mid-east mess in one stroke? I think that would be worth pretty much any effort, even just in our own self-interest.

The whole EU would not have much of a problem accomodating them. Drop in a bucket. (Israel is participating in the Eurovision Song Contest already anyway! )

It would of course not be a walk in the park – exept if you compare it to a continuation of the catastrophic situation as it is now.

Compared to that, it would be no problem at all.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8149 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 1):
As someone who is Jewish, I am not surprised that her comments have received little attention.

In the same boat, but I'm a little more surprised than you considering some of our brethren must be above her in the Hearst food chain.

Quoting us330 (Reply 7):
Thomas would have been fine if she just would have said "Israel needs to get out of Palestine" but she didn't. She decided to go further, and she did indeed cross the line into anti-Semitic territory.

Exactly - she was right until she crossed that line. Israeli-born Jews will always have a home in the US, but they don't feel that way about it, and she clearly doesn't care.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8840 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4097 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):

If it solved the whole mid-east mess in one stroke? I think that would be worth pretty much any effort, even just in our own self-interest.

If I were Jewish, I'd probably reply by saying, "History has shown us that we cannot trust such statements"

Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):

The native americans have suffered a similar fate: Basically most if not all of the USA is really an occupation regime – the natives have just been weakened and the illegal immigrants established themselves to the point of the occupiers actually becoming natives on their own. It is a tragic development in many respects, but the longer this goes on and the more marginalized the original natives become, the easier it gets to simply disregard the way the situation has come about.

By the same logic, the Jews were there thousands of years ago (read your bible if you have any doubts), were forced out, and are now back. They also turned Palestine which was pretty much undeveloped into a modern state. I think they've earned the right to be there. They have fought and bled for that right under attacks that began the day after they declared themselves sovereign.

If the Palestinians want to be treated as a civilized nation, they need to first be willing to act like a civilized people.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4082 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 1):
But it's cool to hate Jews/Israel/etc.

Yeah right. She is delusional and senile. She needs medical assistance not reeducation. It's too late for her.

Quoting us330 (Reply 7):
anti-Semitic territory.

Anti-Zionist, certainly. Anti-Semitic, in my opinion that's not the same thing. One could argue they are the same, but that typically ends up being a jive and ridiculous argument.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21460 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):
If it solved the whole mid-east mess in one stroke? I think that would be worth pretty much any effort, even just in our own self-interest.

If I were Jewish, I'd probably reply by saying, "History has shown us that we cannot trust such statements"

Most jews don't trust the israeli government enough to actually move there either.

But it's obviously not my offer to make anyway.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):
By the same logic, the Jews were there thousands of years ago (read your bible if you have any doubts),

All parts of the bible are so heavily stuffed with propaganda (like most religious texts) that I would be extremely cautious about that.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):
were forced out,

It doesn't exactly seem to be really clear if that was actually the case, but the point is moot anyway – that far in the past it is completely meaningless as an excuse to invade a country and displace the people who had moved there in the intervening centuries.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):
and are now back. They also turned Palestine which was pretty much undeveloped into a modern state. I think they've earned the right to be there. They have fought and bled for that right under attacks that began the day after they declared themselves sovereign.

Everybody has some right to be where they happen to be at any moment – even illegal immigrants do. The relevance, persistence and validity in case of conflicting rights is the point.

And the forcible expulsion of people living in a place for centuries would require a highly substantial position in that regard which nobody could have as it is; Entering Palestine as traumatized refugees from one of the worst persecutions in history gave any jew an immediate moral right to be safe – the problem is that some of the refugees turned this situation into a brutal expulsion and subsequent occupation and suppression of any resistance, which not just in my eyes wasn't covered by the universal human right of safe refuge.

Historical tragedies have a tendency to procreate – and the Holocaust most certainly has. The mid-east conflict is its direct offspring, still living on the energy of its parent disaster.

Finding out which of the two sides today is "good" and which is "evil" is entirely beside the point – neither label really fits either side (although one could make the case of the radical leaders on both sides being pretty close to earning the "evil" designation).

That's why it would take grownups with real moral authority to break up the grand-scale playground brawl (by the level of maturity exhibited by most of the combatants) and to put a constructive end to this mess.

Neither side can end up oppressing the other in the long run – that could never be a viable solution. So the first order of the day would be ditching the extremist leaders on both sides without the stupid excuses we've been hearing for decades now. And the party in possession of the bigger guns should normally start acting like an adult. But with lunatics like Liebermann in the government, there's very little chance of that ever happening.

Coming down hard to a completely pragmatic level, maybe Israel should introduce a reasonable election margin, such as 5% of electoral votes before gaining actual parliament seats to cut off the lunatic splinter parties and to force politicians to create more sustainable and more responsible positions. This alone might be able to alter the landscape of the conflict considerably.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11336 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4048 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 1):
I am not surprised that her comments have received little attention.

What are you talking about? It's been all over the news. Not bad for something that came to light on a friday afternoon. (I mean, the article you're reading is on CNN, is it not?)

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 1):
But it's cool to hate Jews/Israel/etc

Please don't lump the two together.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
The White House should revoke her membership of the White House press pool.

I thought the same thing for a while, but I'll tell you why I changed my mind. I agree with a reporter this morning that noted that it is a very dangerous precedent to ban someone from the White House, a government entity, because you don't like what they say. I mean, I'm sure that Fox News has done more damage to the Obama administration than this nutcase Helen Thomas has, but obviously, banning Fox News would be a very very poor idea, and possibly even unconstitutional.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):
Thomas apparently spoke up unfiltered and obviously deeply frustrated about the situation. It didn't look or sound like a thought-through proposal.

Baloney. When someone makes an outburst like that, it's usually because that outburst has been on someone's mind for quite a while. You don't angrily bark out something that you don't actually believe. (That's so true that in the United States, it's an exception to the hearsay rule - an "excited utterance" can be introduced as evidence in a court of law, even though it is unsworn.)



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User currently offlineATTart From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

If people don't want to hear the answer, then don't ask the question. I am not saying I like what she had to say and I don't. But she gave her answer and that is how she feels. This is a country where we are allowed to express our views, be it popular or not. There are things that are said by others, and I do speak up against it. But it is there right to say those things. Just like it is my right to speak up against it. I am sorry I don't want to live in a country where I am not allowed to express my views. To live in fear, if I say something someone else does not like. that I could be censored or worse. With freedom of speech you have to take the good with the bad.


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21460 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4035 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 14):
When someone makes an outburst like that, it's usually because that outburst has been on someone's mind for quite a while. You don't angrily bark out something that you don't actually believe.

I didn't say it was the opposite of what she thinks, it just looked unfiltered, off the cuff, without any larger context and probably just one of many thoughts she'd have on the matter.

That's a difference.


User currently offlinegatorfan From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4002 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):

If it solved the whole mid-east mess in one stroke? I think that would be worth pretty much any effort, even just in our own self-interest.

....

It would of course not be a walk in the park – exept if you compare it to a continuation of the catastrophic situation as it is now.

Compared to that, it would be no problem at all.

I see a problem with that response. Quite frankly, it seems to evidence some antisematic feelings. Why the hell would someone's religion and race even matter to you? If someone told me that a Jew was moving in next door to me, my response would be "SO?" I wouldn't say "Ok if it would help things" as if having Jews around you is some sort of burden that has to be analyzed in a cost/benefit matrix.


User currently offlinejfk69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3987 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
Most jews don't trust the israeli government enough to actually move there either.

Do you know this for a fact? I know many people who would love to move there but it is the economy holding them back.

Quoting D L X (Reply 14):
Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 1):
But it's cool to hate Jews/Israel/etc

Please don't lump the two together.

You have to lump the two together. For starters Israel is the "Jewish" homeland. Second, she said "Jews" should go back to Poland and Germany. She didn't say the Israeli's ....she said JEWS!!!!

It is cool for her to have an agenda about Israel, that is her freedom and right to voice her opinion on that, but when you start spewing anti Semitic hate, then you lose your job.


User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

She just announced her retirement.


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User currently offlineATTart From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

Quoting jfk69 (Reply 18):
but when you start spewing anti Semitic hate, then you lose your job.

No she should not, she was asked the question and she gave her answer. Again if a person don't want to hear the answer, then don't ask the question. Again, I don't like what she had to say. but it is her right. It is called freedom of speech!!

Do, you want to live in a censored country?

[Edited 2010-06-07 09:25:32]


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21460 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3948 times:

Quoting gatorfan (Reply 17):
I see a problem with that response. Quite frankly, it seems to evidence some antisematic feelings. Why the hell would someone's religion and race even matter to you? If someone told me that a Jew was moving in next door to me, my response would be "SO?" I wouldn't say "Ok if it would help things" as if having Jews around you is some sort of burden that has to be analyzed in a cost/benefit matrix.

That specificity also comes up whenever rememberance of the victims of the nazi regime is being discussed in Germany today, and this is a valid consideration.

But the current problem with Israel has a built-in specificity as well – it is in some respects a democracy merged with a jewish theocracy, with special rights for just one religion, this religion in turn providing the foundation for the political, economic and military occupation regime.

So while an offer like the one discussed above is obviously not really on the table and thus no reason to split too many hairs about it, the proposal by Dreadnought of course links back to the nazi persecution of specifically the jews which specifically gave the impetus for the mass-invasion of Palestine in turn creating the reality of the occupation today.

Jews actually have received special immigration rights in Germany already, primarily from the former Soviet Union, so the idea is not as completely outlandish as one might think. The german jewish communities have seen a significant influx of immigrants because of it, including many people who newly discovered their being jewish or who had never actually practiced the religion.

It's still not been a matter of major dispute. There's no possibility of compensating for bygone atrocities committed against other people of the same faith, but offering jews in a difficult situation a hand still feels proper in the context of post-war german policies.

So this specificity is not necessarily discriminatory in the sense you were aiming at – Israel is ostensibly the jewish state, with all the repercussions for non-jewish citizens and even more so non-citizens in the occupied regions.

Resolving the conflict will necessarily have to do with a change in the special status of jews in the region. And be it just turning occupiers with overriding rights to any piece of land into regular citizens who just happen to be jews.

Is there a way around touching such status questions in any way? I don't see one, and I don't think that perception by itself is anti-jewish.


User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3948 times:

Quoting ATTart (Reply 20):
No she should not,

It's up to the boss to decide that, not any of us. If you say something publicly that can embarrass or hurt your employer (especially if you are well-known or famous), it only makes sense that you won't have a job much longer. It's not about censorship, it's about an employer trying to save its public image.



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User currently offlineATTart From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3939 times:

Quoting newark777 (Reply 22):
It's up to the boss to decide that, not any of us. If you say something publicly that can embarrass or hurt your employer (especially if you are well-known or famous), it only makes sense that you won't have a job much longer. It's not about censorship, it's about an employer trying to save its public image.

This we can agree on..

[Edited 2010-06-07 09:33:41]


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21460 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3920 times:

Quoting jfk69 (Reply 18):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
Most jews don't trust the israeli government enough to actually move there either.

Do you know this for a fact? I know many people who would love to move there but it is the economy holding them back.

Well, the numbers seem to bear it out as far as I know – there's still just a minority of jews living in Israel, ritual pledges notwithstanding. And the economic situation seems to be just one of many factors holding people back.

I don't really see why having been born into a certain religion should automatically mandate one to move to a different country, but then I've never said they should.

Quoting newark777 (Reply 19):
She just announced her retirement.

Probably a smart move when you can't help blurting out undiplomatic statements like that.


25 D L X : NO! You do not have to lump "Jew" and "Israel" together. That's probably the biggest thing that drags down debate about the topic in this country, be
26 Scorpio : I love how you chose to leave out the one sentence (and only that sentence) in that quote that makes it clear to pretty much everyone that Klaus was
27 Post contains images Klaus : Indeed: Them being jewish potentially being the reason for admission, not them being a burden because of being jews, if that should actually have nee
28 D L X : Wait, I thought this thread was about Helen Thomas, not Israel vs. Palestine vs. Germany vs. Poland...
29 Dreadnought : I suggest you read up a little on a couple of people by the names of Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. If Indians and African-American thought and ac
30 Klaus : Her quote is perceived as being outrageous for proposing jews to leave Israel for these other countries, so isn't it relevant if this idea is actuall
31 Klaus : That argument has merit – but it is not absolute. Or would you denounce the founders of the United States for not sticking to non-violent resistanc
32 Venus6971 : Well Helen retired, it is too bad that someone with a broad and long career goes out this way and I guess with her going to pasture this will will mar
33 Derico : This is why using ''historical'' reasons for justifying modern policies or developments is so dangerous. To me, in the case of Israel, the existence
34 jfk69 : All Muslims should die...........Obviously that is a completely asinine statement and it would get erased here in minutes if that is what I meant, So
35 Venus6971 : I believe Israeli Arabs living in Israel have the same rights and privileges as their Jewish neighbors, the first troops killed in the last war with
36 oa260 : Not a bright thing to say t probably looking for publicity, well she got it . Agreed . The whole using the ''anti - semitism'' card for everything an
37 ATTart : You are welcome to say what you want that it is your right!! I may not like it, but it is your right!!! Who, is bitching about repercussions? I am no
38 Post contains links oa260 : I guess they disagree : Israeli Arabs plan mass rally to protest 'political persecution by security officials' The protest comes after measures taken
39 D L X : Her "career" took a nosedive when Bush was elected. As yall know, I disagreed with Bush with great frequency, but Helen Thomas's lack of professional
40 gatorfan : The sentences I left out were: The whole EU would not have much of a problem accomodating them. Drop in a bucket. (Israel is participating in the Eur
41 Scorpio : I think Klaus beautifully answered that one. BTW, since you are comparing the Palestinians to the African Americans and Indians, are you now admittin
42 Post contains images Klaus : Stalin "won" the eastern european countries after WWII. Did you think the citizens of Poland, Hungary, Czechia, of the baltic states and all the othe
43 Klaus : After a re-check, I have to correct myself: I don't remember where I had picked that up, but I probably confused her with someone else. Apparently sh
44 D L X : Noted. It's circumstantial evidence for sure, but the evidence is adding up that she does not like Jews. I used to believe she was Jewish as well bac
45 PSA53 : I was shock and very sadden to hear this from Ms. Thomas.Although I never cared for Thomas that much,she was a WH fixture in the press core for God,wh
46 Dreadnought : I'd say yes, they are being oppressed - for damned good reasons. Note how every time the Israelis give them something, like the Gaza withdrawal, the
47 Post contains links Dreadnought : Hardly. She may have been good a century ago but she's a poster-girl for how stupid the press could be for years. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weZE
48 A332 : Until the Palestinians and their anti-Semitic sympathizers swallow the fact that Israel is not going anywhere, this hateful/spiteful nonsense is going
49 Post contains links dxing : I think she had it announced for her. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37555003/ns/politics?GT1=43001 Veteran White House reporter Helen Thomas is retirin
50 Klaus : From that statement alone I don't think that's really conclusive. Heck, there are enough jews uttering opinions like that – that's one reason I was
51 Venus6971 : Agreed they are in the minority and suffer in representation but at least they can disagree with the Israeli Gov't . What happens in the West Bank or
52 Scorpio : Behold the very attitude that will ascertain continued violence in the Middle East. There is never a good enough reason to oppress an entire people.
53 kachum : Behind all that anti-Israel rhetoric from the Palestinians and their sympathizers like this Helen Thomas is hope. It is hope that the destruction of I
54 Klaus : Creating the false alternatives of brutal oppression being the only way to save Israel from total destruction embodies the whole problem: It is not e
55 Post contains images newark777 : Just saw this photo on the NYTimes site and it scared the shit out of me:
56 UH60FtRucker : Oh give me a break, of course it is. There are some loons who say that the answer to America's race problems, is to send all Black/Latino/Asian/whate
57 LAXintl : Despicable and bigoted comments by Mrs. Thomas. I'm glad her status did not let her get away with such offensive remarks. Her Lebanese ancestry and bi
58 D L X : Fair enough, but we need not follow her on that path.
59 474218 : I can't remember who made the statement but it is so true: 'If the Arabs were to disarm there would immediately be peace. However, if the Israelis we
60 PacNWJet : Let's assume for the moment that Ms. Thomas is justified in her opinion that Palestinians have been denied citizenship rights in "Palestine," or "Isra
61 Klaus : The second part would probably be true right now, after decades of continued escalation. The first part is extremly cynical, however. If all "arabs"
62 ATCtower : She is an idiot. Look at some of the things she has previously said. Yet another perfect example of someone preaching without thinking.... Maybe she i
63 Post contains images steeler83 : Amen! True! Since when is strapping dynamite to your back and running into a public area acting civilized? They think that such an act is honorable.
64 us330 : If it was anti-Zionist, then she would have said "Israeli" not Jew. Because she said Jews, that makes it anti-Semitic. And as a long serving member o
65 Klaus : Sure. I haven't watched her very closely over the years, but at least on the few instances I've watched her talk to or question someone recently she
66 MD-90 : Hey Rachel Maddow: "Is it okay for Walt Whitman High School to discriminate against Helen Thomas?"
67 ltbewr : What a sad way to end one's career, perhaps she should have retired a long time ago. She was the first and for a number of years the only woman part o
68 seb146 : But, she never said that. Look, I was actually with her until she said "they should go home." I do believe Isreal should stop the blockade of Palasti
69 oa260 : But I think you know the story as we all learnt it as children. Its been used so many times that people have switched off. You speak out about passen
70 Baroque : AFAIK the right of entry is for Jews not for Zionists, although being both might help. We know from the Chomski episode that not being a Zionist can
71 UA772IAD : It is unfortunate that this is how she chose to end her long and decorated career. I do not agree with what she said, and as a journalist she has an
72 newark777 : People have been fired before for writing inflammatory things on message boards before. The government can't restrict your speech, but you are not im
73 Post contains links Venus6971 : Here is a link written by King Abdullah in 1947, good read, he was the grandfather of the present King of Jordan, I guess all if all European and the
74 Baroque : I did not know of that speech. It certainly cuts a few threads that have been on here to ribbons. Thanks, most illuminating. Funny thing is I knew ve
75 directorguy : Thanks for that link, that speech is one of my favourites because it sums up everything so perfectly. Although 63 years have passed since that speech
76 D L X : I don't know why you're addressing Rachel Maddow, but YES. It is definitely okay for Whitman High to uninvite Thomas.
77 Dreadnought : That is an excellent speech. I am pretty certain that things would have been settled a long time ago had such a reasonable tone been maintained. Unfo
78 UA772IAD : I'm not sure how familiar with the Washington, D.C. suburbs, but Whitman High is in Bethesda, Maryland which happens to have a pretty substantial Jew
79 KLM777300ER : This thread is of great interest to me, and I always find it humorous to read some of these comments about people who allegedly "know" so much about t
80 PacNWJet : Forty years ago in 1970 it would have made sense to tell Jewish people to "get the hell out of Palestine" and go back to "Poland and Germany?" 1970 w
81 racko : All the undeniable suffering the Jews had to go through in Europe culminating in the horrors of the holocaust in my country don't take away the Palest
82 DocLightning : And with reason. Israel should *NEVER* have been put where it is. Unfortunately, it is there and it's not moving. One issue here is that there is con
83 PacNWJet : Where should it be? After all the years of conflict, if you have a viable solution the world would be very grateful to hear it.
84 Post contains images DocLightning : I understand that one of the places they originally considered was Madagascar. There's no way that would be allowed now. Madagascar is one of the few
85 newark777 : There surely won't be any angry Muslims there objecting to that.
86 Post contains links Starbuk7 : Apparently she is not the only person who thinks like this! Rabbi Receives Death Threats Over Helen Thomas Video http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010.
87 seb146 : This is what I don't understant that I asked before: She did not make her opinion known in the Press Room of the White House. It was outside with som
88 newark777 : Because it gives her employer a black eye. You can argue whether that is fair or not until you're out of breath, but a company is not going to keep s
89 UH60FtRucker : It's all bullsh*t. Because you can keep going back further in time, and find some group who displaced another, in that region. Whether it's the Roman
90 newark777 : That's the crux of it, we're talking about a region that was right near the birthplace of civilization. Add on top of that the human history of diffe
91 racko : ...while keeping the most valueable 10% for themselves, namely East Jerusalem, which contains some of the most holy sites of Islam. Not to mention Is
92 UH60FtRucker : Your response is a perfect example of why things are so screwed up in the region: ignorant stubbornness. So what if it wasn't a perfect deal. It woul
93 avek00 : Arabs are Semitic people too.
94 Post contains images newark777 : Merriam-Webster's third definition is simply: Jewish. But I assume you know what people meant when they said anti-semitic, and were just being a smar
95 racko : Jerusalem is the key issue, Until both sides accept that it's also a holy place for the other faith there won't be peace. Do you seriously expect the
96 UH60FtRucker : I completely understand and agree... however you gotta work with what you have. More importantly, you need to have the maturity to realize that the s
97 Klaus : Sure. The trouble is that you demand of the palestinians to acquiesce to definite and irrevocable demands from the israeli side which you know will n
98 Dreadnought : That was basically mandated by the UN decades ago, including the International Zone around Jerusalem. It was rejected by the Palestinians and the Ara
99 Klaus : That would be good – but at this point this would necessarily require an end to the illegal settlements and stopping exclusive demands about Jerusa
100 Post contains links PacNWJet : Despite a few testy exchanges in this thread, the discussion here has been in my opinion fairly civil and constructive. It is the sort of nuanced conv
101 UH60FtRucker : How pathetic. I expect a far more educated response from you, Klaus. That response was amateur.
102 Klaus : You said that not just agreeing to any proposal automatically invalidated the palestinians being the victims of the occupation. My point was that tha
103 seb146 : FOX news does it all the time.
104 Post contains images UH60FtRucker : You're using Fox News as your argument? ...Yeah, because that's exactly who Reuters should strive to be like.
105 Post contains images newark777 : That's why their ratings are so low........ In the end it's all about the Benjamins.
106 avek00 : Jews and Arabs are BOTH Semitic peoples, no matter the linguistic attempts to distort their closely-linked common ethnic and cultural heritage.[Edite
107 newark777 : But when people bring up the term anti-Semitic these days, they are talking about Jews.
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