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Apple Unveils IPhone 4 And New Features  
User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27345 posts, RR: 60
Posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4816 times:

Some things we already knew and some things we didnt. The design is much nicer than the old iPhone IMHO.


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Apple CEO Steve Jobs unveiled the new iPhone Monday at the company's annual Worldwide Developers Conference in San Francisco.

The new device, the iPhone 4, has about 100 new features that aren't available in the current model, the iPhone 3GS. Some of the biggest changes include a higher-resolution screen, a bigger battery, a front facing camera, an HD photo and video camera, a gyroscope for improved rotation sensitivity and a thinner, more industrial look.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/07/technology/new_apple_iphone/



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User currently offlinenewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4816 times:

Actually, Gizmodo unveiled the design awhile ago.  


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User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27345 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4797 times:

Quoting newark777 (Reply 1):
Actually, Gizmodo unveiled the design awhile ago.  

Which was mentioned  http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/...)&utm_content=Google+International


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2484 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4789 times:

Yep.. Gizmodo really ruined it for many people. It's like opening a christmas present before christmas.

User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4781 times:

I followed the Keynote at http://www.macrumorslive.com/ (reading from bottom to top)

I'm more than a little impressed and believe that Apple is giong to do well by this design.

On the OS side, new name for iPhone OS - iOS4, covering iPhone, touch and (probably) iPad.

Solid engineering work and some very nice design work - no surprise there.

Using A4 processor from iPad, front and back cameras, etc.

And updates of iOS4 for most existing iPhones/touches will be FREE on July 21.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11583 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4756 times:

I want to see the list of these 100 new features. I have an iPhone 3GS, and I haven't heard anything just yet that makes me want to dump it for the new iPhone 4.

paging Kraus.... paging Kraus...  

Kraus, why do I want the new iPhone 4?



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User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27345 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4745 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 5):
Kraus, why do I want the new iPhone 4?

LOL....The screen seems alot better and the Apps look crisp. Im glad I waited and didnt jump for the 3GS like my collegues did in the last months. Ive been telling all my mates looking for an iPhone to wait.

---------------

Shipping in five countries: US, France, Germany, United Kingdom and Japan on June 24.

July they’re shipping to a bunch of other countries. August and September – 65 more countries

Price: $200 for 16GB; $300 for 32GB

“I’m thrilled to also announce that AT&T is going to make an incredibly generous upgrade offer. If your contract expires anytime during 2010, you are immediately eligible for a new iPhone 4 at the same $200, $300 prices.” You can get up to six months early eligibility for an iPhone 4.



http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/...e-centric-wwdc-2010/#ixzz0qCINWE00

[Edited 2010-06-07 12:30:23]

User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2484 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4698 times:

This video is pretty good to get an overview of the new iPhone 4:

http://www.apple.com/iphone/design/#design-video


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8965 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4664 times:

Just in time - my AT&T contract expires in 2 weeks, and I should be able to get a low-price upgrade from my iPhone 3G.


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21525 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4637 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 5):
paging Kraus.... paging Kraus...

You know, you have a really sloppy pronunciation...!   

As with the previous models, anybody considering an iPhone did well to wait for the new model.

For me with my less-than-a-year-old iPhone 3GS it is unsurprisingly not enough of a bump to really feel the need for an upgrade, but that was expected.

For me the screen resolution was never really a limitation (although the new one sure looks nice!) and I personally could hardly care less for mobile video telephony (compare my posts in the iPad threads). 32GB of Flash has always been tight for me on the 3GS and it would remain equally tight on the 4 (the Flash manufacturers apparently haven't been keeping pace with Apple's product schedule ).

But since my contract is going for another year anyway, I'm in no rush – I had anticipated to maybe upgrade to the 2011 model and that remains the perspective for me.

That said, not everybody is in my shoes. And for someone looking for a replacement of a 3G or at their first iPhone at all, it's a very good step forwards.

Given the (as I remember) unchanged prices, the 3GS in Place of the 3G at the lower end is a nice upgrade. And the 4 does indeed give a really substantial feature bump as well.

The new, thinner case from hardened glass and stainless steel – no plastic remains on the outside. Very cool! (We'll have to see how well the frame antenna will work in practice.)

Fortunately Apple has again passed on the OLED fad; A super-high-resolution, high-contrast IPS display is definitely a much better choice for power draw, durability and last but not least daylight operation (provided it's as good at that as the current one).

I'm aware that quite a few people love video chatting (and for users of sign language I'm sure it's a large advantage), so that's a relevant addition for them as well. Question is when the mobile providers will allow it over their networks as well (the announcement was it being WiFi-only as of yet).

HD 720p video and the iMovie App seem to be quite impressive. Also nice. Bigger lens and bigger, higher-resolution image sensor in a still thinner casing are quite an achievement. Cool! I just hope the LED flash can easily be disabled manually – in some cases it will be an advantage, in others it could be a problem.

n-level WiFi is now on board officially as well – nice. And again improved battery endurance. The gyroscope is probably just via using a newer revision of the same accelerometer chip, but it will certainly be used by games and possibly by navigation Apps.

Just the included headphones seem to be the same old crap. They should really stop adding that kind of reputation-damaging garbage.

iPhone OS -> iOS at long last! This was getting cumbersome with now three classes of device using it.

iOS4 is coming to my iPhone 3GS soon as well, so I'll get a serious upgrade anyway – that's as it should be. We'll be talking about a hardware upgrade in another year – I have not the slightest problem waiting for that.

Edit: No Mac-related announcements at this time – Mac Pro, MacBook Air and Apple TV will apparently get their imminent upgrades via web site updates only.

[Edited 2010-06-07 14:09:38]

User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27345 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4533 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):
I'm aware that quite a few people love video chatting (and for users of sign language I'm sure it's a large advantage), so that's a relevant addition for them as well. Question is when the mobile providers will allow it over their networks as well (the announcement was it being WiFi-only as of yet).

I presume that this will use the same 3G network as is currently used by many European companies such as Vodafone/O2/3 for existing Video calling etc.. so is this really an issue?

Video calling is not a new concept. Is this new to the USA?


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4513 times:

Each to his own.
Apple fans can go ga-ga over yes another niche platform, that still lacks rather large features.

iPhone 4 Looks Great But Won't Stop Android
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...p-android-2010-6.DTL#ixzz0qCtPcDXn

Good job with iPhone 4, but the Sprint HTC EVO 4G is staying
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/cell-phone...-sprint-htc-evo-4g-is-staying/3977

Not something that interest or works for me.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21525 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4514 times:

Quoting oa260 (Reply 10):
I presume that this will use the same 3G network as is currently used by many European companies such as Vodafone/O2/3 for existing Video calling etc.. so is this really an issue?

No, it will apparently only work via WiFi at this time (locked out when only a mobile connection is available, apparently for network load reasons).

Quoting oa260 (Reply 10):
Video calling is not a new concept. Is this new to the USA?

Where are mobile video calls actually in widespread use? I've never ever seen anyone using one in real life. (Nor am I particularly likely to do that myself.)

One of the interesting issues about Apple's announcement is that they are apparently using open standards and they're subjecting their implementation for general standardization, so widespread non-proprietary interoperability should be possible.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21525 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4500 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
Each to his own.

Sure.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
Apple fans can go ga-ga over yes another niche platform,

You mean the one that totally disrupted the entire market when it came out in 2007, with a large number of remarkably similar knockoffs springing up in its wake, all of them aping the original and breathlessly trying to keep up?

That "niche platform"?
 
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
that still lacks rather large features.

I've looked through the texts. Besides a few marginal issues and several ones which the iPhone 4 with iOS4 is making redundant, which "rather large" ones would that be?

I've not seen any that would stir my interest.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
Not something that interest or works for me.

Should there be a problem?


User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27345 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4494 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 12):
Where are mobile video calls actually in widespread use? I've never ever seen anyone using one in real life. (Nor am I particularly likely to do that myself.)

I agree it was a novelty at first my first video call was some years back with 3 UK . I bought two video phones for £99 in 2003 the NEC313.



Was amazing at the time . I bought one for my Mum and one for me and we used them for birthdays/christmas etc.. Then I got one for family in Athens on Vodafone Greece 3G and it was great to link the family etc.. Not a daily use but certainly love it for the reasons above. Also here in Ireland a video call is the same as a normal call ( Free for VF-VF in Ireland ).


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4472 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
That "niche platform"?

Yep. The one that has paid out over a Billion Dollars to developers for their app sales.  
Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
I've not seen any that would stir my interest.

Flash.         


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

I've seen one person after another be disappointed with the iPhone after the initial buzz wares off.
I've also experienced entire companies that mistakenly were suckered by AT&T to opt for the iPhone, to only ditch them months later and go back to more traditional devices like Blackberry.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
You mean the one that totally disrupted the entire market when it came out in 2007, with a large number of remarkably similar knockoffs springing up in its wake, all of them aping the original and breathlessly trying to keep up?

That "niche platform"?

Yes I call it a niche platform.

Like much of Apple, they come up with a device and try to brain wash the world to what they feel they "must have" and everyone needs to run out and get one.

I agree the market branding of Apple is fantastic, they really manage to build a devoted group of believers, however I don't believe they truly make product that the masses want or more importantly truly need.

Basically to me Apple products are more hype then substance, especially when the price points are compared.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
which "rather large" ones would that be?

One big one still would be the ability to truly multi-task.
For example I find myself very often editing files, looking up things on the web, and working on an email at the same time, or even be a on a telcon simultaneously.
Also what about that earlier fubar of no cut-paste. I mean what where they thinking?


Anyhow, I see the iPhone as an entertainment platform, and not still as productivity or business phone which what my circle of friends and acquaintances look for. Movie or music player are a low priority compared to email, documents and other business activities.


As I said earlier, each to his own, but I am not being taken in by the Apple hype.



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5798 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 15):
Yep. The one that has paid out over a Billion Dollars to developers for their app sales.

And how many billions of dollars has the Microsoft based PC industry created for the independent companies that support that software/PC universe? I still don't get why anyone thinks that makes a product "great". By that criteria, MS is vastly "greater" than Apple but its not, its just another company producing a product and trying to sell it.

People try to feel better by showing how big they are, how many people use them, how much of the market they have, but for YEARS the Apple fans how pointedly noted that size and market share does not a great company make. I will respectfully say that using that same argument now is somewhat disingenuous.

Tugg



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4441 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
Like much of Apple, they come up with a device and try to brain wash the world to what they feel they "must have" and everyone needs to run out and get one.

Or maybe Apples a company where people design products that THEY will lust after - and the rest of us get to tag along with them. Now that's a great way to look at developing products.  


User currently offlinewingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2346 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4418 times:

So here I am Apple Lovers and Apple Haters, a true independent and undecided voter. What should I do...stay with Verizon and go with the Droid Incredible or jump ship to the iPhone4? Consider the following:

1. I'm a loyal Verizon customer and rarely, if ever, take a personal phone overseas (so the CDMA thing doesn't bother me). A work cell always but while on personal vacations abroad I'd rather no speak to anyone back home unless there's an emergency (send me an email which I check daily). Toss Up.

2. I'm a loyal Apple customer and run my household on their products. My wife has the original iPhone and will upgrade to the 4 when it comes out. So here I'm figuring why not have two carriers for complete coverage when we travel around the country. Score one for the Incredible.

3. I'm a telephone technology caveman and have been using the same flip top Samsung for 5 years now. It's never failed me yet but it doesn't really do the texting thing. Personally I think texting is for sex crazed teenagers and I'm now officially "Old School" for just calling people back when they text me. I know this is becoming more and more annoying to my friends I'm just an old fart who still likes to talk to people.

So I just want a phone that I can text with and that does have some of these cool features like surfing the web and built in GPS for the car. Watching movies and multitasking on such a small screen seems kind of silly so it's really just about the basics: coverage, surfing speed, cost, plans etc. I'm leaning Incredible but let me know what you guys think. Thanks.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21525 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4405 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 15):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
I've not seen any that would stir my interest.

Flash.

Oh, we've got both kinds – memory and camera flash...! 


User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4399 times:

I really like the design. Glad they ditched the cheap chrome look. If they had used this occasion to ditch their Saudi-Arabian app store policies I'd probably buy one.

Edit: Upon checking T-Mobile's iPhone contracts I retract my statement: Holy shit that's expensive.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 7):
This video is pretty good to get an overview of the new iPhone 4:

http://www.apple.com/iphone/design/#...video

Someone should tell them that their whole HTML5-is-awesome-Flash-is-evil-we're-so-open yadda-yadda is sort of undermined by using another, far-less popular proprietary plug-in for web video.

[Edited 2010-06-07 16:42:17]

User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5749 posts, RR: 44
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4400 times:
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I asked this in the "Delusional" thread but it more correctly belongs here-

As a photographer I have some understanding of optics and a little understanding of how sensors in digital cameras work, can someone tell me what a backlit sensor is, how it works and how it aids the photographic process?

A little more detail than-- "Magical", "Revolutionary" or "Steve said so" would be nice although unexpected!

Cheers



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4362 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):
32GB of Flash has always been tight for me on the 3GS and it would remain equally tight on the 4 (the Flash manufacturers apparently haven't been keeping pace with Apple's product schedule ).

Someone should invent something very small, let's say 11 mm × 15 mm × 0,7 mm, that can save 32GB of data while being exchangeable. Then you could buy more than one and carry 64 or even 128GB with you all the time. If only...


User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4346 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 3):
Gizmodo really ruined it for many people. It's like opening a christmas present before christmas.

Even without the Gizmodo scoop, the iPhone 4 unveiling wouldn't have been much more exciting.

****

At least now the iPhone doesn't have the "oooh, look, it be all shiny and junk. You gots to have it, yo!" vibe to it anymore. Looks like a big-boy phone now.  


25 DocLightning : I don't think that videophones in general have been very popular because: 1) You need to stay in the camera frame 2) It uses a lot of bandwidth 3) It
26 Post contains links MD-90 : The new iPhone sounds delicious, but I wonder what the battery life is like using videoconferencing and shooting video? And I've never heard it called
27 stealthz : MD-90, thankyou. That explains a lot, in fact I can't actually see where Apple used the term back lit, seems that came from Gizmodo. Saying back lit
28 Post contains images Klaus : Your mileage will vary – which applies in either direction. Apple has never been bothered about catering to just the top 5-10% of the market if tha
29 EI320 : Fantastic phone. A new design was well overdue and Apple have one again stepped up to the mark. I've still a year left in my current contract so I'll
30 LAXintl : I never knew Steve Jobs was an airliners.net fan. Seriously, you should considering sending your resume to Cupertino for corporate spokesperson posit
31 Klaus : Try to match the substance. The rest will take care of itself.
32 Zentraedi : Ugh, I wonder if Cisco is going to have a problem with the whole "iOS" thing. Even then, the name is still problematic. iOS, so it runs on the iPhone,
33 Post contains images Ken777 : Who cares? We're talking "Little Old Apple" with only 3& of the computer market. We're talking about a platform that is basically new - just gett
34 theredbaron : Guess Apple has sold 100 million rosy colored lenses to happy consumers. I think Those lenses will become a LOT MORE popular in the near future.
35 Post contains images Springbok747 : Um..I've had 10 Dell computers so far..no problems with any of them. Yes they have shabby customer service, but nothing wrong with their computers. O
36 stealthz : It does at time seem difficult Klaus, to believe you are not an integral and very loyal member of the Apple sales team! Your answer smacked very much
37 tugger : Well.... you do: I was merely commenting on your enthusiasm for the billion dollars that Apple based PC industry (the iMac, iPhone, iPad, etc really
38 Post contains links Klaus : I keep rather tightly to what I know from my own experience as a user and as a hardware and software developer myself. When I spend considerable time
39 racko : My usage currently averages around 100 minutes of phone time and about 80 SMS per month, sometimes slightly more, sometimes slightly less. To fit tha
40 Post contains images oa260 : Whatever floats your boat Yeah Im just waiting to see how much we will pay for it here on Vodafone and O2. Also on prepay VF have the 3GS for €519
41 Klaus : The plan that actually covers your usage completely isn't necessarily the best option – you might still be better off getting the smaller plan and
42 racko : As I said, I've analyzed my usage in the first months of this year and this is where I end up. T-Mobile's Complete 60 is especially hurt by having no
43 Post contains images Klaus : Not really – and that is not a good thing from my point of view... Great if the coverage is well-suited to what you need in practice.
44 Ken777 : If you're into IT then the shabby customer service doesn't matter that much. If, like me, you don't have the time or inclination to keep up on the te
45 captaink : i am avid apple follwer as I used to be when I owned a mac and an ipod. I never really like previous iphones, especially for the lack of multitasking.
46 EI320 : iPhone 4 should retail at the current 3GS prices. €199 for the 16GB version and €299 for the 32GB version on bill pay which ties you into an 18 m
47 Post contains links and images racko : Found another funny thing while browsing Apple's page: http://www.apple.com/html5/ Now when I try to click on any demo I'm greeted by a friendly "You
48 Post contains links Zentraedi : That's especially funny considering Chrome 5 has better HTML 5 than even Apple's new Safari 5.0. http://html5test.com/ Chrome 5: 142 / 160 Safari 5:
49 UA772IAD : It really depends on where you are. However, I have NEVER heard anyone complain about Verizon's service. You can get a signal almost anywhere. AT&
50 newark777 : I have Verizon, and have literally never had a dropped call. I didn't even know calls still got dropped until people started complaining about AT&
51 Braybuddy : I was never seduced by the buzz of the I-phone, and I heard two people recently say that they're great for many things, but making calls and texting
52 UA772IAD : Funny that you mentioned that. During the unveiling ceremony, Jobs was having trouble demonstrating some of the new features. Turns out the network w
53 wingman : Thanks for the tips guys. I guess I should just hit the Apple store when this thing comes out to see it for myself. But we all know what happens when
54 Post contains images Ken777 : I think that there were 570 WiFi user in the room active during the original demo - blew out the center's set-up. Later the demo was redone - after s
55 oa260 : I hope so then it will be a bargain but Im not too sure TBH , we have been told nothing yet not even the release date. On bill pay VF you take a Perf
56 Klaus : The prices for data plans are actually never calculated by the carrier's internal cost of the nominal amount of data included (quite obvious on "unli
57 Post contains images Mir : I guess MacOS should be clear enough. And while the Phone, Pod and Pad all start with the same letter, I'm not sure that using that would be a good m
58 Braybuddy : If I can I certainly don't know how to, as I've never even opened the instruction booket (I am a manualophobe). Sad person that I am Klaus, I will pr
59 Klaus : Don't beat yourself up – you're far from alone. And that's basically the point behind the iPhone: You don't need to read the manual and you can sti
60 Braybuddy : I bought an I-pod four years ago, and I believe the manual can be downloaded from the Apple site, but I've never bothered as I only use it about a do
61 bhill : Yeah...but is it a good PHONE???
62 Post contains images Ken777 : Braybuddy's 4 year old iPod? No,
63 Braybuddy : Shock. Horror. But I only ever use it for trips abroad so I could probably sell it as a collector's item. I'm surprised it's lasted this long, in tha
64 oa260 : Ok so I pre ordered my iPhone 4 from the Apple Store for £499/$735/€597 its SIM free and I got my micro sim from my operator today. The question is
65 Post contains images EI320 : Buying a SIM-free iPhone from the Apple Online Store allows you choose your own carrier and change carriers at any time. ........ Looks like I'll be
66 Post contains images Ken777 : Oooops! Maybe not. Apple's online store is sold out in the US until July 14th now and I have a feeling that supplies will be tight through July. (The
67 Post contains images oa260 : Im sure they will offer you a new iPhone 4 if you recomitt to an 18months contract. Thanks for the SIM Free info I prefer prepay SIM free then I have
68 Post contains images EI320 : They've been taken by surprise with the amount of people looking to leave their contracts, apparently the senior O2 customer service reps are offerin
69 oa260 : Id call them and tell them you need the NAC to use your O2 Prepay SIM when your in England rather than mention anything about leaving them. Once you
70 Aesma : I'd never buy it, but it definitely looks nice, I loathe the rounded look. Glad they went for a high resolution screen also, now all other phone maker
71 Klaus : It's only got rounded corners so it won't poke through the fabric of your pockets and hurt you. Apart from that the iPhone 4 is completely flat-surfa
72 Post contains images Ken777 : Hold it in your hand. Play with it a bit. You might be tempted.
73 Post contains images FX772LRF : Something more fitting in bed, rather than in an Apple store. -Noah
74 EI320 : Just off the phone to O2 and I'm out of contract now. I think I'll wait till Apple are selling the SIM-free iPhone 4 on the Irish store and will buy
75 oa260 : Or you could meet me in Belfast in the Apple Store on Thursday LOL... I cant wait for it to come South.
76 Post contains images Ken777 : You're thinking of the iPad. It lasts 10 hours on one charge.
77 EI320 : As much as I'd love to get hold of one that soon, I'll have to wait for the Irish networks to release their plans first. I don't even think O2 Irl ar
78 Aesma : I was talking about the look of the previous iPhones. I like this one.
79 Post contains links Ken777 : Might be a long wait: http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/stor...one-debut-nipped-by-shortages.html But then it might be worth thinking about waiting if
80 Post contains links oa260 : O2 in the UK are saying it will be the end of July before they can offer iPhone 4 to new customers. Vodafone UK today launched the prices for their cu
81 Klaus : Ok.
82 Post contains links and images AirPacific747 : I thought this one would be appropriate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26ELpS3Wc4Q
83 Post contains images Airstud : IOS is Cisco's operating system, not Apple's!!!
84 Agill : That's hillarious. Now I really have to upgrade my 3gs
85 Klaus : Apple licensed the name iOS from Cisco, just like the name iPhone before.
86 Post contains images AirPacific747 : Haha "And in 2009, we added, uuhh - a compass"
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