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Fox News...Is Coming To Canada  
User currently offlineSkyservice_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1419 posts, RR: 5
Posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3077 times:

Well, sort of.

A new project is in the works, and being dubbed "Fox News North." Quebec billionaire Pierre Karl Péladeau and his Quebcor Media company are developing a right-leaning TV news channel, with an announcement expected next Wednesday. They have hired a former Director of Communications to Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper as VP of Development and are recruiting journalists.

More at:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...annel-in-the-works/article1600054/

It will be interesting to see how this plays out and how successful they are, once they acquire their license and get operations up and running.

Thoughts/Comments?

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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3059 times:

Quoting Skyservice_330 (Thread starter):
It will be interesting to see how this plays out and how successful they are, once they acquire their license and get operations up and running.

Well, the media runs politics as well as the country, so why not have a right wing channel spewing propaganda, to compete with all the left wing channels spewing propaganda? It's only fair. Both Canadians and Americans need to demand a media that's free from big corporations and neutral to politics, something that is for the people. We can never take our media seriously again until we do so.

Quoting Skyservice_330 (Thread starter):
They have hired a former Director of Communications to Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper as VP of Development and are recruiting journalists.

I rest my case.

Yea, our media is supposed to be the best most unbiased in the world   . If any actually believes this, i'm interested to see what else you believe in.



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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3054 times:
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Whatever they do, it can't be the same right wing stuff you see on the US version. The two countries are different in philosophy and outlook, and the kind of extremism you get from the US Fox commentators just won't fly here. Our right wingers would be seen by many in the US as quasi-commies.


Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
User currently offlineczbbflier From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 973 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2852 times:

The 'right wing' in Canada has the National Post and the local 'Asper" Papers. Circulation is poor. There is not a huge appetite for the right wing message in Canada. They can try to set something up but my sense is that the editorial stance of the Globe and Mail, hence CTV has the right finger on the pulse of the nation.

Quebecor might have Le Journal de Montreal and The Sun franchises across the country, but the approach is not that much different than all the other papers- the only difference is that the headlines and more sensational.

Meh. He can try but the last guy who tried really hard through his own personal media empire to move the country to the right is currently sitting in an American jail. Not too many Canadians miss Conrad Black.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 1):
Yea, our media is supposed to be the best most unbiased in the world   . If any actually believes this, i'm interested to see what else you believe in.

Are you in Canada? Do you know about the situation with respect to the media in Canada? Just curious.

No media is unbiased. However, our media takes one of the most balanced approaches. In other words, while their perspective and normative values are quite clear in the story, they do take the time to report on 'the other side' and give the 'other side' a fair shake. This is most definitely not the case with the media in the United States. Fox News is often borderline unethical in their reporting style. CNN comes really close sometimes.

I'd take a media source with a clearly defined bias but that reports on both sides of the issue any day before I accept an undeclared bias. In a pinch, I'd rather take a media source with a declared bias over one that doesn't.


User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

We need something to counter the Liberal Party of Canada mouthpiece, also known as the CBC.


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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 3):

No media is unbiased. However, our media takes one of the most balanced approaches. In other words, while their perspective and normative values are quite clear in the story, they do take the time to report on 'the other side' and give the 'other side' a fair shake. This is most definitely not the case with the media in the United States. Fox News is often borderline unethical in their reporting style. CNN comes really close sometimes.

I was speaking generally, not just in Canada, but the U.S. as well.

Quoting A332 (Reply 4):
I'd take a media source with a clearly defined bias but that reports on both sides of the issue any day before I accept an undeclared bias. In a pinch, I'd rather take a media source with a declared bias over one that doesn't.

That's the problem. You ask anyone at MSNBC the question "Is your News Channel biased towards liberals and Democrats, they'll probably deny it". You ask Fox News the Question "Is your News channel biased towards Republicans and Conservatives." Well...we are already know what their answer is, they've made it known time and time again. So, you'll NEVER, find a News Giant like Fox or CNN or whatever, to declare their bias. And even if they do, then because of their bias, how can you possibly trust in them to report on both sides fairly?



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User currently offlineexFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2717 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 1):
It's only fair. Both Canadians and Americans need to demand a media that's free from big corporations and neutral to politics, something that is for the people. We can never take our media seriously again until we do so.

This just isn't realistic - media, particularly broadcast media, requires a vast amount of capital to operating anything remotely resembling a global news media, so it can't be free from big corporations - it takes a big corporation to do the job. The only alternative to the existing corporations would be government-owned corporations, and they just bring a different set of biases to the table.

And honestly, the problem isn't that news sources bring their own biases into play, it's just that they aren't honest about it. Britain has better newspapers than the US does, and their bases are well-known: the Guardian is New Labour, the Times is "wet" (moderate) Tory, the Telegraph is more conservative, etc. You know what you're getting. Much better than the Dan Rathers of the US system, who will never admit to any bias.


User currently onlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3644 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 3):
No media is unbiased. However, our media takes one of the most balanced approaches. In other words, while their perspective and normative values are quite clear in the story, they do take the time to report on 'the other side' and give the 'other side' a fair shake. This is most definitely not the case with the media in the United States. Fox News is often borderline unethical in their reporting style. CNN comes really close sometimes.

From what I've been able to stomach from the CBC, I don't know how you can say that. For example, if there is any way they can portray the US in a bad light, they will go out of their way to do it. Meanwhile, I have never, ever seen a positive story. Are you saying CNN is close to unbiased?

That said, what we talk about here are US national cable networks who have a relatively tiny viewership. There are countless local news departments who don't fall into that camp.


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8841 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 5):
You ask Fox News the Question "Is your News channel biased towards Republicans and Conservatives." Well...we are already know what their answer is, they've made it known time and time again. So, you'll NEVER, find a News Giant like Fox or CNN or whatever, to declare their bias.

Do you ever watch it? Hannity repeats at least once every couple of days that he is a Raegan conservative. Beck says he's a political conservative / social libertarian. O'Reilly constantly says that Fox News leans right. It's hardly a secret.

To Fox's credit they do try to get guests with opposing viewpoints more than you see on MSNBC and other channels which tend to avoid them.



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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2673 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 8):
Do you ever watch it? Hannity repeats at least once every couple of days that he is a Raegan conservative. Beck says he's a political conservative / social libertarian. O'Reilly constantly says that Fox News leans right. It's hardly a secret.

I never said the "entertainers like hannity and Beck. I know they call themselves conservative, They've said so. I'm talking the channel itself, their claims of being neutral as opposed to rightward leaning. How can a News source, whether Fox or MSNBC, claim neutrality when Fox has nothing but Conservative republicans on their channel, and vice versa for MSNBC.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 8):
To Fox's credit they do try to get guests with opposing viewpoints more than you see on MSNBC and other channels which tend to avoid them.

Well, obviously they have to, and they all do that.. No one would watch them if everyone agreed on everything.



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User currently offlineronglimeng From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

It seems strange to me that a right-leaning newschannel would orginate from a Quebec-based company. I would have thought a proposal like that would be more likely to originate out west in a place like, say Calgary?

Doesn't one of the features of Canadian right-wing thought go something like this: Quebec - if they don't like it here in Canada, they can get to hell out. We're not subsidising those pea-soupers to stay in Canada" ?

Why would a Quebec-based corporation pick that sore? Mischief?


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8841 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

Quoting ronglimeng (Reply 10):
It seems strange to me that a right-leaning newschannel would orginate from a Quebec-based company. I would have thought a proposal like that would be more likely to originate out west in a place like, say Calgary?

Fox is based out of NYC.



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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2582 times:
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):
Fox is based out of NYC.

He's talking about the Canadian group -- Quebecor Media. That's based in Montreal, and he makes a valid point that it would be more likely to emanate from Calgary, which as about as right wing as you can get in Canada.

But you've got a point -- Fox in New York does seem like an odd combination; a right wing operation in a ratsnest of left wingers.

I'm betting that if this gets off the ground the media HQ will be in Toronto (AKA the centre of the universe).

Maybe I'll apply for a job, they're sure hiring a stellar collection of journalistic hacks it seems. I can fit in.



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User currently offlineczbbflier From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 973 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

Quoting ronglimeng (Reply 10):
It seems strange to me that a right-leaning newschannel would orginate from a Quebec-based company. I would have thought a proposal like that would be more likely to originate out west in a place like, say Calgary?

You'd be surprised. Just because it's "Quebec" don't dismiss it outright as a left-wing campsite. Every majority Conservative government has needed Quebec just as much as the Liberals need Quebec. There is a significant "Bleu" streak across the province. Maybe not in Montreal proper, Quebec City, and Hull, but everywhere else, Quebec's population is quite conservative. You should have a look at "Le Journal de Montreal". It may sensationalist but there is never a headline that says, "Goodie- a tax increase!", or "Yay, another cop killer gets off with parole!" or "Mowhawks in Oka build a shrine to their fallen during the Crisis!"...... "Le Journal" chain of papers (which includes "The Sun" chain in English Canada (not including the Vancouver Sun) are very conservative.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 7):
From what I've been able to stomach from the CBC, I don't know how you can say that. For example, if there is any way they can portray the US in a bad light, they will go out of their way to do it. Meanwhile, I have never, ever seen a positive story


How can I say what? I never mentioned the CBC. I tend to agree with you that the CBC carries an undeclared bias. That said, they do find a counterpoint for the story- even though it might be only 1/10 of the report.

I referred to the Bell-Globe Media group which includes CTV (Canadian Television Network) and the Globe and Mail newspaper. Their approach seems to be the closest thing to English Canada's view on itself and the world.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 7):
Are you saying CNN is close to unbiased?

No. Quite the opposite. I was saying that CNN crosses the line from time to time and reports one side of the story but not the other. We get only one side of a two-sided coin, where an ethical report would look at the other side as well.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 7):
That said, what we talk about here are US national cable networks who have a relatively tiny viewership. There are countless local news departments who don't fall into that camp.
I couldn't agree with you more. It's like the Fox Network and the cable channel Fox News are two completely separate entities.


User currently offlineAF340 From Canada, joined Jul 2007, 2786 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

Quoting ronglimeng (Reply 10):
It seems strange to me that a right-leaning newschannel would orginate from a Quebec-based company

It's not really strange, Quebecor owns the Sun Media franchise, a conservative leaning media chain.

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 3):
The 'right wing' in Canada has the National Post and the local 'Asper" Papers. Circulation is poor. There is not a huge appetite for the right wing message in Canada.

Well in the 2010 circulation numbers the National Post went up 10% and the Globe fell close to 1%. Not to mention the National Post has been through tremendous ownership issues over that time period. Don't underestimate the conservative base in Canada it is actually quite large and active.

Circulation numbers:
http://www.marketingmag.ca/english/n...e.jsp?content=20100426_150312_9312


User currently offlineczbbflier From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 973 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

Quoting AF340 (Reply 14):
Well in the 2010 circulation numbers the National Post went up 10% and the Globe fell close to 1%. Not to mention the National Post has been through tremendous ownership issues over that time period. Don't underestimate the conservative base in Canada it is actually quite large and active.

There are statistics and then there are damned statistics. Playing the percentages game falls under the latter.

Lets look at the raw numbers according to the same article you quote:

National Post. Withdrawn from some markets to concentrate on six cities
...Total circulation March 2010... 175,238
...Total circulation March 2009... 159,089
...Difference..............................+16,149


Globe and Mail. Regional editions used to include local content:
...Total circulation March 2010... 302,411
...Total circulation March 2009... 299,929
...Difference................................- 2,482

The National Post sees a significant increase after an even more significant decrease. Clearly, their audience number is volatile.

The Globe and Mail's readership remains steady and more than 100,000, (or >33%  more than the Post's. )

One of the reasons that the Aspers had to sell their papers is because their message, converged with their TV channels, was one that nobody wanted to read. The bias in BC in the Vancouver Sun and the Vancouver Province towards the current provincial government is enough to make you gag. If ever there was a biased paper, these would be it. Canwest fills the papers (and waste the forests) on crap nobody cares about.

I did not say that there was no conservative streak in Canada- I'm the one who first mentioned the Sun Media chain in this thread. I merely suggested that the hard-core right wing message, such as the noise that comes across the cable channel Fox News in the USA does not have enough of an audience to be profitable in Canada.


User currently offlineczbbflier From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 973 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

Quoting A332 (Reply 4):
We need something to counter the Liberal Party of Canada mouthpiece, also known as the CBC.

Somebody else thought that too... Conrad Black. He explicitly directed all his papers to reflect a more conservative editorial stance, to support all business-oriented political parties. He even started the National Post to counter the more established and establishment-driven Globe and Mail. The red ink flowed faster than the Welland Canal. A Royal FAIL on all counts.

The Aspers took over the papers and took them even more right wing. What happened to them? Another FAIL. See a pattern here?

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 5):
I was speaking generally, not just in Canada, but the U.S. as well.

Sorry, my friend, you weren't "speaking generally not just in Canada but the U.S. as well". You were speaking generally of the U.S. first and Canada next. The media industries in the two countries are completely different animals. Primarily because we get not only the Canadian media but we get the American ones too. All of them. Everywhere.

The media in the United States is as unbiased as a snake's belly is to the ground. The media is not perfect anywhere but American media is nowhere near the gold standard. Canadian media in general, although not perfect either, play a much more "balanced" view between the notorious French and the diabolically opposed American points of view.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 1):
Both Canadians and Americans need to demand a media that's free from big corporations and neutral to politics, something that is for the people.

Welcome to Non-Av forum on A.net. Seriously, it's where I get 25% of my news fix. Now there's "unbiased news for the people".  


User currently offlineAF340 From Canada, joined Jul 2007, 2786 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2246 times:

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 15):
The Globe and Mail's readership remains steady and more than 100,000, (or >33% more than the Post's.

It is also over 150 years older than the Post.

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 15):
One of the reasons that the Aspers had to sell their papers is because their message, converged with their TV channels, was one that nobody wanted to read.

I'll give you that. The Aspers were stupid during their time founding and owning Canwest. But don't forget that up until Izzy's death, they were a Liberal chain. Their unwavering support of Israel (to the point where they just wouldn't print stuff that was contrary) I think sank them. The Post nowadays is very accepting of differing views (yes, the editorial board is still socially conservative) and will publish nearly any view.


User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 1):
Well, the media runs politics as well as the country, so why not have a right wing channel spewing propaganda, to compete with all the left wing channels spewing propaganda? It's only fair. Both Canadians and Americans need to demand a media that's free from big corporations and neutral to politics, something that is for the people. We can never take our media seriously again until we do so.

If that were the case, Colin Powell would have been elected POTUS several times, airlines wouldn't have passengers due to the outrageous fees tacked on to tickets, etc. etc.


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 2137 times:

Krista Erickson of CBC News resigned yesterday and the buzz is she's going to FOX North. Krista's a babe (and also an alumna of my high school -- as is Dawna Friesen of ABC News -- but she's been caught out before feeding quesitons to MPs to ask during question period. She also lives with a Conservative MP, Lee Richardson. But we all have to live with someone.


Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlineczbbflier From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 973 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2088 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 19):
Krista Erickson of CBC News resigned yesterday and the buzz is she's going to FOX North.

So you see, the CBC isn't staffed completely by Left Wing Commie Pinkos of Central Canuckistan

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 19):
Krista's a babe (and also an alumna of my high school -- as is Dawna Friesen of ABC News

Don't tell me that's a criterion that matters here too, does it? Doesn't speak well for the journalistic standards we might expect then.....


User currently offlineAF340 From Canada, joined Jul 2007, 2786 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 20):
So you see, the CBC isn't staffed completely by Left Wing Commie Pinkos of Central Canuckistan

It is now...


User currently offlineczbbflier From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 973 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

Quoting AF340 (Reply 21):
It is now...

Oh! AF340 do a Funny!!!! lol!!!   


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2042 times:

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 20):
Don't tell me that's a criterion that matters here too, does it? Doesn't speak well for the journalistic standards we might expect then.....

Being a babe never hurts, being an alumna of my high school is just conversation. Guys with great hair do well too. Look at John Roberts on CNN -- started out as a veejay on MuchMusic.



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlineronglimeng From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

I got one of those "keep this message going" e-mails from an old friend today, purporting to be a picture of Sir Wilfred Laurier giving a speech in 1907 about the need for immigrants to blend in; that there is only room for one language in Canada - English; etc,etc.

I thought this was strange, considering that Sir Wilfred was our first French-Canadian prime minister. Then I found that the speaker in the photo looked suspiciously like Teddy Roosevelt!

I get a lot of this stuff from my friend - fairly obviously re-labelled American right-wing material to make it look Canadian. I'm sort of conservative myself, but I can tell this content is not Canadian in origin.

I hope the new News Network won't have content like this e-mail nonsense I get.


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