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Obama Compares Oil Spill To 9/11/01.  
User currently offlineboeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

Obama compares BP oil spill to Twin Towers attack

Serious? Obama has lost his mind and is singling out BP and not going after Transocean Limited, Halliburton, or Anadarko Petroleum. Both Halliburton and Anadarko are based and headquartered in Houston, TX.

Also find it odd that British Petroleum only had 7/126 employees on the rig when it blew and what a insult to 9/11 victims and their families.

 


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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5564 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

What's worse, is that the same sentiments (as far as "same" could go before 9/11) were echoed after the Exxon-Valdez spill.

I find this to be less than a jab at the UK, but more of a jab at corporations in general. It's no secret Obama wants the largest companies to be nationalized.



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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3278 posts, RR: 45
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

I don't really see anything wrong with what he said. He's not comparing the two events directly. He's saying that each event has shaped/will shape views on the relevant economies/industries etc...

It's certainly true that when we think of terrorist attacks or national vulnerability, the first thing that comes to mind is 9/11. What's wrong with saying that when we think of environmental disasters in the future, we may very well think of this oil spill?

He's not saying that BP oil spill is as bad as 9/11 in an absolute sense, but rather that both are at the apex of their respective disaster "fields."

Nothing to see, here, IMO.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 4):
Nothing to see, here, IMO.

Yup. It's the Daily Mail - that's about all you need to know here.



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5232 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

First of all, the Daily Mail is trash. Second, he is not comparing the spill in the Gulf and 9/11, but merely drawing parallels between the two by stating that each shaped our view of how certain types of disasters are interpreted, approached, etc. I do not see how this is a "slap in the face" to 9/11 families.


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User currently offlineUAXDXer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1791 times:

He compared the oil spill to 9/11 the went and played a round of golf. What a leader!

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/pos...hocking_obama_plays_golf_duri.html



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User currently offlinegatorfan From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

Great. Now we'll get a TSA-like agency as a result.

User currently onlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8790 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1765 times:

Quoting boeingfever777 (Thread starter):
Serious? Obama has lost his mind and is singling out BP and not going after Transocean Limited, Halliburton, or Anadarko Petroleum. Both Halliburton and Anadarko are based and headquartered in Houston, TX.

From what we know, BP was the one that made the poor decisions that led to the blowout.

Quoting boeingfever777 (Thread starter):
Also find it odd that British Petroleum only had 7/126 employees on the rig when it blew

Why?

Quoting boeingfever777 (Thread starter):
what a insult to 9/11 victims and their families.

I see his point (about it affecting future policy etc), but I agree it's a little facile. But whereas 9/11 led to federal action very quickly, nearly two months after the spill the government is still refusing to do what it needs to do, waive the Jones Act and bring in some help from other countries. Had he done so 7 weeks ago, skimmers and other equipment would have been better able to contain the spill. Now that crap is all over the gulf and is far more difficult to contain. That failure is squarely on Obama.

Now we are getting a hint that they might do that. Too late.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...061304232.html?sid=ST2010061305087

Obama has demanded that BP set up a escrow/slush fund to pay for the damages. I like the idea in general, but am worried about how the Chicago gangsters get their hands on it. One of the few areas of experience Obama has is on how to corrupt a fund for good works and turn it into a political tool. Who will run the fund? Will it use former ACORN employees to distribute the fund and make sure it gets to the “right” (or should I say “left”) people? Will “community” groups be eligible for grants from this fund to do whatever it is these groups do?



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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1759 times:

However non relevant to 9/11 the Gulf accident is or is not, it is fair to say the US government has dropped the ball on this one. Not accepting shallow water drilling but on the other hand believing deep water drilling to be much safer. Well who decided that and why, it makes no sense? Then drilling standards should have been in place requiring redundancy in case of deep water issues with proven results...another words...an effective plan "B" that BP and all others should have demonstrated in the past. Such drilling should not have been licensed to anyone until effective proven disaster remedies were at least demonstrated. Since this is not the case, we now have this debacle with no apparent remedy...yet. It really is ludicrous to believe that Obama is going to "plug the hole" with his finger but on the other hand, as a "community organizer", this was his shining moment to prove what he is made of and spearhead a structured group of experts that could rapidly figure this thing out. The Army Corps of engineers?...the US Navy?...I haven't heard one mention of their names. Once again Obama has proven his total ineffectiveness and at this juncture, I'd like to see this disaster of a president resign or see impeachment proceedings kick off before he totally saps the US of all that is good.

This event has no correlation to 9/11. His words just go on to demonstrate the lack of compassion towards the residents of the gulf and his ignorance as the countries so called leader. But not to worry...after he shuts down ALL gulf drilling we will be obtaining our oil from the "other gulf region" and surprise...The highest at pump prices we will have seen yet...Good going president Obama, the leader of the "57" States of the Union!    ...make it stop!


User currently onlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8790 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1730 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 11):
However non relevant to 9/11 the Gulf accident is or is not, it is fair to say the US government has dropped the ball on this one. Not accepting shallow water drilling but on the other hand believing deep water drilling to be much safer. Well who decided that and why, it makes no sense?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...rizon-oil-spill-and-offshore-drill

One of the members of his commission: Frances G. Beinecke, a prominent environmentalist largely responsible for pushing drilling off the shallows into deep water. Environmentalists like Beinecke were the reason rigs like BP’s Deep Water had to be built further offshore and in deeper water where the difficulty of stopping a leak is much greater as we all can see. Sounds like the fox being put in charge of the investigation of why the henhouse is suddenly empty.



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User currently onlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8942 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 1695 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
Environmentalists like Beinecke were the reason rigs like BP’s Deep Water had to be built further offshore and in deeper water where the difficulty of stopping a leak is much greater as we all can see

Closer to shore = more danger to coastlines. Further from shore = more difficult to cap. It's a bad argument (no better/worse solution) regardless of who is pushing what and where. Deep water drilling was going to happen sooner or later anyways.

As with aircraft accidents, this is probably going to turn out to be more than one failure happening at the same time. Very unlikely but not impossible. So far we have an allegedly bad decision together with a sudden burst of gas plus an apparently malfunctioning blow-out preventer who couldn't even be activated manually. Deep water still has a very good track record and with lessons learned from this it is going to be even safer going forward.



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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6075 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1647 times:
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Quoting boeingfever777 (Thread starter):
Halliburton

Why does everyone go after Haliburton for everything. They are a very big company that employ 50,000 people and are the second largest oil services company in the world. Anti-oil leftists love to knock them and I have no idea why. I hear people knock Halliburton and they don't even know what they did. I was discussing them with a friend one and he was talking about all the no bid contracts they got in Iraq, but he didn't even know what they did. The left gets mad because they got no bid contracts in Iraq. Lets see... They are the only American company who do that kind of work on that large of scale and they put the wells and lines in to begin with back in the 70s and 80s. So should we have given the work to a non US firm who didn't do the work to begin with. If Bush/Cheney had done that the leftists would complain that the evil republicans were outsourcing the job to a foriegn company.

I find it funny that everyone is soooo concerned about everyone's job except if they work for Haliburton or in the oil industry.



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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5015 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
nearly two months after the spill the government is still refusing to do what it needs to do, waive the Jones Act and bring in some help from other countries.

I'll agree with you on that one. Belgian dredging company DEME already said a few weeks ago they could do the job in four months instead of the nine months estimated by the U.S. when done by U.S. companies. They've already offered help but were turned down because of the Jones Act.

http://beforeitsnews.com/news/75/195...al_Help_on_The_Gulf_Oil_Spill.html


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7191 posts, RR: 86
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1583 times:
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Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 5):
Yup. It's the Daily Mail - that's about all you need to know here.

A quick google has all major news outlets reporting the same story with subtext that Obama was comparing 9/11 to the BP Oil spill, directly. Blame the media.

 

Here is the entire article from original interview.

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Quoting gatorfan (Reply 9):
Now we'll get a TSA-like agency as a result.

  

Quoting KPDX (Reply 14):
I'm waiting for Michael Moore to do this on Obama.

Michael Bay meets Michael Moore box office blockbuster.

http://images.moviefill.com/842ffb99a0ef45fb_ae3968e1d7dffb0a_o.jpg


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

Can we expect a US invasion of Britain then? Aided of course, by British troops.

 


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5232 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 13):
A quick google has all major news outlets reporting the same story with subtext that Obama was comparing 9/11 to the BP Oil spill, directly.

And again, all Obama is doing is suggesting that there are parallels to be drawn in the way that each event shaped US policy in their particular area (terrorism/the environment). He is certainly not saying that the gulf disaster is another 9/11.

Quoting falstaff (Reply 11):

The problem us "leftists" had with Halliburton vis-a-vis Iraq is that it was since as far too convenient that a company once headed by the Vice President was handed no-bid contracts worth millions (billions?).



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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6075 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1533 times:
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Quoting OA412 (Reply 15):
The problem us "leftists" had with Halliburton vis-a-vis Iraq is that it was since as far too convenient that a company once headed by the Vice President was handed no-bid contracts worth millions (billions?).

What would the left have thought if Dick Cheney was never VP. I think they would still be upset because they don't care for the oil industry.
It was the only American company with the ability to do the volume of work needed. Should the US have handed the job to for non US company? Low bid contracts can produce crap workmanship and the use of low quality materials. No bid can produce corruption. You can't win either way.



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7191 posts, RR: 86
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1525 times:
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Quoting OA412 (Reply 15):
And again, all Obama is doing is suggesting that there are parallels to be drawn in the way that each event shaped US policy in their particular area (terrorism/the environment). He is certainly not saying that the gulf disaster is another 9/11.

I never stated it was a direct comparison, but the media is doing a nice job of blowing it out of proportion as evidenced above.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

For many around the Gulf Coast the spill is a financial disaster that is similar (or greater) than 9/11.

That thought does not diss people or families impacted by 9/11 in any way - it merely recognizes that Americans along the Gulf are being beaten up TODAY.

Quoting boeingfever777 (Thread starter):
Obama has lost his mind and is singling out BP and not going after Transocean Limited, Halliburton, or Anadarko Petroleum. Both Halliburton and Anadarko are based and headquartered in Houston, TX.

Right now BP is in the spotlight because it's their job to get their leak stopped and the mess cleared up.

But you can be sure that private lawyers and lots of government investigators will be looking for everyone involved in this disaster.

The best part is that Transocean, Halliburton, and Anadarko will all be spilling the beans on how the other companies screwed up.

And, From BusinessWeek, you can see the issues of dumb & dumber from the House hearing:

Quote:
Lawmakers faulted the four executives for disaster-response plans that would halt oil leaks at the sea floor using the same techniques that failed for BP at its Macondo well. The same firm wrote the plans and included references to making sure crude doesn’t injure walruses, which don’t live in the Gulf of Mexico.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...or-carbon-copy-plans-update1-.html

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 14):
Can we expect a US invasion of Britain then? Aided of course, by British troops.

Been There. Done That. Got The T-Shirt.


User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1949 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1477 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 2):
I don't really see anything wrong with what he said. He's not comparing the two events directly. He's saying that each event has shaped/will shape views on the relevant economies/industries etc...

Exactly. That won't stop either illiterates or rabid Obama haters from either misunderstanding or distorting what he said though.

Sigh.


User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):

Bingo!...a cliche that ran through my memory banks this morning...

Another thought to ponder...what will happen when the oil pushed ashore on Mexican beaches as a result of this summers hurricanes are potentially responsible for the loss of their tourist industry...did I hear amnesty for 33,000,000 illegals in the US?...   ...make it stop!


User currently onlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2992 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1383 times:

I don't see anything wrong. 9/11 defined Bush's first presidency (I don't think he wouldn't have ventured into Iraq if 9/11 had not happened), so this oil spill will most definitely define Obama's...unless, of course, Katrina part 2 arrives.


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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 28):

Disasters Defining a President?...Stupid concept at first glance but after thinking about it...your quite correct...Both G. Bush and B. Obamas rolls as proven Non Leaders, have been well defined by your outlined events!...It used to be the forward advances in leadership and positive accomplishments defined a President...But I guess it's a concept that is no longer on the table.


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