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American On US No-fly List Stranded In Egypt  
User currently offlinedetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3560 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100616/ap_on_re_mi_ea/stuck_in_egypt

This is completely ridiculous, what happened to the whole thing called Due Process. I cant believe the government is going to make him pay the money back on top of it all.


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User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3354 times:

I guess he could fly to LHR, then get an AC flight to Halifax or St. John's. Then ferry/rail from there, avoiding US airspace.

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20244 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

Ok, this is OUTRAGEOUS.

I am so sick and disgusted by the DHS and the mess that has come of the U.S. since 9/11 and the sheep-like fear.

I, for one, would rather die in a terrorist attack than live in fear that I might be put on a no-fly list or thrown in "custody" for no reason and with no recourse.

What ever happened to Live Free or Die? And where is the ACLU in all this? It's their job to get in cases like this.


User currently offlinejfk787nyc From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3012 times:

Actually I think the US Administration would like to know as to why someone who is born and bred in the USA would want to go to travel to Yemen for (Studying).

If he wanted to go to study religious belief, Why would he not go to Mecca, Medina or Jerusalem.

Yemen is not exactly known for preaching religious purity and this is why they were stopped in Egypt.

I am sorry but this is the world we live in. I understand why the US finds this very weird.


User currently offlinerwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2942 times:

This guy is an American citizen and has a legal right to return to the United States of America.

As to the no-fly list, let's take a scenario where the most dangerous terrorist in the world wants to fly. This person could be subjected to an extremely intense security procedure. Think, a detailed search of their carryons, their checked luggage, and their person (including scans for explosives, the typical metal detector screening, pat-downs, etc.). A person subjected to this type of screening is zero threat to anyone. Even if TSA is a joke (or Egyptian security in this case, or whoever), the screening of someone at such a detailed level would clearly mitigate any supposed risk.

Given a combination of these two factors, there is no logical (or legal) reason that this person should be denied air transportation to the United States, regardless of whatever intelligence the US may have.

Quoting jfk787nyc (Reply 3):
I am sorry but this is the world we live in. I understand why the US finds this very weird.

Last time I checked, US citizens are not banned from travelling to Yemen (Cuba is the only country they are banned from visiting, which is rediculous on it's own merit but at least there is a law against it). The US can find it as weird as they want, but, they cannot deny the right of their citizens to return home.

Knowing nothing about this person, such as whether they are dangerous, ideological, etc., they should be allowed to return to the US immediately and can be questioned there. Any costs due to this should be borne by the US government (whether voluntarily or through a lawsuit).


User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

There is no law forbidding US citizens from visiting Cuba. There is a law forbidding them to spend money there.

I do agree studying in Yemen raises eyebrows. You want to learn Arabic... Egypt (maybe even Jordan or UAE) would spring to mind, not Yemen.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
What ever happened to Live Free or Die?

New Hampshire is still a state. Don't worry.



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5601 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

Quoting rwSEA (Reply 4):
This guy is an American citizen and has a legal right to return to the United States of America.

I'm pretty sure the US can deny him entry to the US, assuming due process is followed. Question is: is due process being followed?

Bottom-line here; the man is a US citizen. He should be allowed to return to the States and work through the legal issues here. The no-fly list, as it exists, is a joke anyway. I know a few people on it who have no business being on it.

As for his motives for studying in Yemen as oppossed to some other Arabic nation? Look at him a little closer, but he wants to go to Yemen, let him go to Yemen.



When seconds count...the police are minutes away.
User currently offlinemarsciguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
Live Free or Die?

Still alive and well in little ol' New Hampshire!

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 6):

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
What ever happened to Live Free or Die?

New Hampshire is still a state. Don't worry.

  



"There weren't a ton of gnats there where a ton of gnats and their families as well!"
User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6365 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2585 times:

Quoting jfk787nyc (Reply 3):
If he wanted to go to study religious belief, Why would he not go to Mecca, Medina or Jerusalem.

Did you read the article? It said because Yemen was cheap and there are a lot of Somali's there.

I know I know, your response will be "well at least that's what he said, but it's probably a lie"

[Edited 2010-06-17 10:50:40 by srbmod]

User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5601 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2531 times:

Quoting crewchief32 (Reply 9):
Yahya Wehelie, a 26-year-old Muslim who was born ....... to Somali parents


Indeed, a real AMERICAN through and through......not some obscure tewwowist like Joe Smith or Jack Miller

For God's sake, the man is a US citizen. I doesn't matter where his parents were born. He is entitled to due process of the law. Question is, how does due process apply in this case?



When seconds count...the police are minutes away.
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20244 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2464 times:

Quoting jfk787nyc (Reply 3):
Actually I think the US Administration would like to know as to why someone who is born and bred in the USA would want to go to travel to Yemen for (Studying).

Because it's his friggin RIGHT.



I really hope the ACLU goes after this one. Some heads need to seriously roll high up in DHS. This is not OK. This is not OK at all.

[Edited 2010-06-17 10:50:58 by srbmod]

User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5601 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
I really hope the ACLU

Please, the ACLU is a tool with their own agenda.

But, if they do go after it, I'll support them in the fight.



When seconds count...the police are minutes away.
User currently onlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

Quoting jfk787nyc (Reply 3):
Actually I think the US Administration would like to know as to why someone who is born and bred in the USA would want to go to travel to Yemen for (Studying).

If he wanted to go to study religious belief, Why would he not go to Mecca, Medina or Jerusalem.

You know, contrary to common belief, reading doesn't hurt.

From the article linked by the OP:

"The family said Yemen was a natural choice because education was relatively inexpensive and many Somali natives live there."

and

"He said he was studying information technology at the Lebanese International University in the capital San'a and only visited a mosque a handful of times. He said he had also studied a little Arabic."



I'm an aviation expert. I have Sky Juice for breakfast.
User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7972 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

Well I'm gonna throw out my opinion (which based on these other posts will be torn to shreds)

I think the DHS is trying to get tougher on entry (which is a good thing) and it's simply a mistake. He was wronged, and it sucks for him and he should be compensated, and the DHS should see what happened and try to avoid this from happening again, but I don't think the DHS is trying to be oppressive and people should settle down a bit. He should be fairly compensated, but I see a huge lawsuit coming unfortunately...



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13170 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

It is interesting to note that his brother was able to go back to the USA with only some problems.

I suspect his situation is more out of fear of several alleged terrorists who are American Citizens who have traveled to al-Queda and other anti-American infested areas to learn how to become terrorists. We are in very deep fear of citizens who can come in and out of the USA to do major terror acts and this man's situation raises too many questions for now to let him return in the opinion of DHS. Perhaps too this it to be a show lesson, to discourage other American Citizens from going to other countries to maybe learn how to be a terrorist.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

Quoting jfk787nyc (Reply 3):

If he wanted to go to study religious belief, Why would he not go to Mecca, Medina or Jerusalem.

He probably wouldn't be able to study in Mecca or Medina due to strict visa rules/laws. Regarding Jerusalem, maybe he didn't want to go to Israel..

The article stated he went to Yemen because it was cheap and there are a lot of Somalian's in Yemen.



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20244 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 15):


I suspect his situation is more out of fear of several alleged terrorists who are American Citizens who have traveled to al-Queda and other anti-American infested areas to learn how to become terrorists. We are in very deep fear of citizens who can come in and out of the USA to do major terror acts and this man's situation raises too many questions for now to let him return in the opinion of DHS. Perhaps too this it to be a show lesson, to discourage other American Citizens from going to other countries to maybe learn how to be a terrorist.

Then they either need to ban travel to Yemen or stop this silliness.

As an American citizen, he does have a right to enter the country. By removing his passport to one that only allows travel to the U.S. and then removing any reasonable means of doing that travel (there are no ships that travel nonstop from Egypt to the US), they have violated his fundamental rights as a U.S. citizen and I hope he and the ACLU go after DHS with everything they've got.


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