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F1 2010: European Grand Prix  
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5668 posts, RR: 45
Posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2557 times:
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This weekend sees the GP circus re cross the Atlantic for the Spanish Grand Prix II.. oops.. European Grand Prix.

Not much dramatic news since the Canadian GP but may be some more later today with the WMSC meeting to discuss a range of things from F-ducts to tyres and USF1.

Other stories are appearing about moveable rear wings and Luca di Montezemolo has moved on from wanting a third car to now talking about a fourth car! Perhaps he will only be happy when the entire grid is comprised of Ferraris... oh, we went there and we all know how well that worked out!

Pat Fry has defected from Mclaren to the Scuderia, bet we don't hear any spying allegations from the Tifosi this time!!

Looking forward to another great weekend...

Cheers

[Edited 2010-06-23 05:59:50]


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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

I was about to start this thread Thanks Stealthz....

Some new news....

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84690
107% rule to be in effect for 2011

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84689
Moveable Wings Rule to change for 2011

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84688
Pirelli to become the next Tyre Supplier from 2011


In Valencia news:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHhlh9A3apI
Onboard lap with Felipe Massa

I for one hope Lewis Hamilton makes it 3 for 3 and finally getting 1st place at a track where he's gotten 2nd place in the last two years, one of those 2nd places questionable (cough cough Felipe Massa Pit Lane...cough)


User currently onlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2800 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

Thanks Stealthz.

I fear another boring GP. The past two editions on this track were everything but exciting  

[Edited 2010-06-23 06:48:54]


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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5668 posts, RR: 45
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2540 times:
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Quoting Autosport "WMSC" :
Fuel draining
With immediate effect, if a sample of fuel is required after a practice session the car concerned must have first been driven back to the pits under its own power.

I guess that puts pay to the McLaren "stunt" at Montreal

Quoting Autosport "WMSC":
The grid
From 2011, any driver whose best qualifying lap exceeds 107 per cent of the fastest Q1 qualifying time will not be allowed to take part in the race.

Not sure if this is a big deal, how many of the "B team" times have been slower than 107% this year? Not many if I recall.

Quoting Autosport 'WMSC":
...However, if the safety car is still deployed at the beginning of the last lap, or is deployed during the last lap, it will enter the pit lane at the end of the lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.

and this differs from the following .. how?

Quoting 2010 F1 Sporting regulations:
If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.

Cheers

[Edited 2010-06-23 07:09:56]


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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2513 times:

Remember that in Canada Schumi's move on Massa were to be investigated after the race? Anyone read anything about the outcome of that?

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 2):
I fear another boring GP. The past two editions on this track were everything but exciting

Indeed due to the nature of the track, but also for the fact that the Canadian GP will be difficult to top. It's simply an awsome track that returned with a bang!



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10862 posts, RR: 38
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2506 times:

Quoting stealthz (Thread starter):
Luca di Montezemolo has moved on from wanting a third car to now talking about a fourth car! Perhaps he will only be happy when the entire grid is comprised of Ferraris..

I had a good laugh, thank you.
His cars/drivers are not performing too well this season so this solution might be the only one for wins!

Here's to another Hammy victory!

Go Hammy!
Go Pedro!
Go Kamui!

I love you all 3!!!!



              



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User currently offlinewaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

I think Red Bull will return to form at this track, it should suit their car. Also, Alonso will get his usual homefield boost and probably wind up on the podium. I'm hoping that it will be-
1. Webber
2. Hamilton
3. Alonso
4. Button
5. Vettel
6. Massa


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2478 times:

As we know, more or less, how the top runners will end, I would like to see Liuzzi put in another good performance. Would be good to see an internal fight there as well from now on.


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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12279 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2467 times:
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Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 6):
it should suit their car

I'm not so sure, didn't Red Bull themselves say that they didn't think it would suit their car? I think McLaren will quite like this circuit. Silverstone will almost certainly be a different matter.



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User currently offlinecodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2454 times:

Very 'hopeful' top 6 waterpolodan, but you are forgetting about at least two drivers here: Rosberg and Kubica. May not be that boring, maybe one or two SCs, but probably no tyre degradation like in Canada, but there will be problems with grip during practice and quali.

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlinewaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2444 times:

Quoting codeshare (Reply 9):
Rosberg and Kubica.

As well as they've done this year, they're not getting into the top 6 on this track on merit, they'll only crack it if any driver among the RBR/Ferrari/Mclaren brigade have an issue. I think Ferrari have leapfrogged Mercedes and Renault once again, but it's just a hunch so you may be right, we'll see. In any case, it's almost a sure bet that the top 4 are a lock for Mclaren and RBR unless Alonso has a good weekend, with nobody else having a chance at a podium.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6471 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2433 times:

Terrible track, maybe if there was rain or something it could end up a little better.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 3):
Quoting Autosport 'WMSC":
...However, if the safety car is still deployed at the beginning of the last lap, or is deployed during the last lap, it will enter the pit lane at the end of the lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.

and this differs from the following .. how?

Quoting 2010 F1 Sporting regulations:
If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.

Cheers

The important part is clarifying the fact that if the SC is there at any moment of the last lap, then the race is over. The current rule already meant this, but with the SC line being moved it brought confusion.



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2591 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2429 times:
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I think Red Bull will be back in front this race, the only question would be which of the Red Bull drivers will take this one. I'm hoping it's Vettel   The championship is only about half gone and the Aussie media are already hyping up Webber. Unbelievable!

McLaren, at least Hamilton, will be right on their heels. I think this being a street circuit, the relative performance of the cars won't be dissimilar to Monaco, and Kubica should have a fairly good race.

Top 6:

1. Vettel
2. Webber
3. Hamilton
4. Kubica
5. Button
6. Rosberg



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5668 posts, RR: 45
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2409 times:
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Quoting stealthz (Reply 3):
Not sure if this is a big deal, how many of the "B team" times have been slower than 107% this year? Not many if I recall.

A correction if I may, seems I was wrong.. application of the 107% rule in 2010 would have kept at least one HRT and at times a Virgin out of most races so far.

Back to the WMSC, this adjustable rear wing development looks like a can of worms and will IMO detract from the spectator angle as who will be able to tell if the driver is using the feature?

Cheers



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6471 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

Well, if Webber ends up champion, they'll talk about it for a decade or two, but if he doesn't, at least they would have milked him a few months now 


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6471 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2406 times:

stealthz : we know the answer already, there is an adjustable front wing and nobody talks about it.


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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 13):
Back to the WMSC, this adjustable rear wing development looks like a can of worms and will IMO detract from the spectator angle as who will be able to tell if the driver is using the feature?

There are rules around its use. No use in first two laps and can only be used if you're within one second of the car in front. it's designed to improve passing.


User currently onlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2800 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Btw, since I've been to the 24 Hours of Le Mans, I would like to share some of my pics with you. There are only pictures taken from the pits so far. Some from the race might come later on, but since I had a crap 75-300 mm lens (giving me super soft pictures), I'm still not sure if I'll upload them...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thomascourtonne/sets/72157624097773599/

I know I'm completely off topic, but since you are all petrol heads here, I'm sure you will enjoy  



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10862 posts, RR: 38
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 17):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thomascourtonne/sets/72157624097773599/

I know I'm completely off topic, but since you are all petrol heads here, I'm sure you will enjoy

I was at Le Mans 24 Hours race in 1962 when I was still a child, in the days when they had the real cars. I still can remember a lot about these cars from way back when.

The fabled Ferrari 250 GTO (ooooh), Ferrari 330, E type Jaguars, Lotus Elite (aaaahhhhh), Alfa Romeo, Ferrari TR, Morgan, Abarth and Porsches.

These were "the" cars!
I was already in love with some of them, especially the Lotus.
I caught the bug early.

Now the cars they have are crap but the circuit is still a nice place full of good memories.
I remember Olivier Gendebien and Maurice Trintignant.   
Those were the days...

Thank you for posting your pictures!      



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User currently onlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2800 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 18):
I was at Le Mans 24 Hours race in 1962 when I was still a child, in the days when they had the real cars. I still can remember a lot about these cars from way back when.

The fabled Ferrari 250 GTO (ooooh), Ferrari 330, E type Jaguars, Lotus Elite (aaaahhhhh), Alfa Romeo, Ferrari TR, Morgan, Abarth and Porsches.

These were "the" cars!
I was already in love with some of them, especially the Lotus.
I caught the bug early.

Now the cars they have are crap but the circuit is still a nice place full of good memories.
I remember Olivier Gendebien and Maurice Trintignant.
Those were the days...

I totally understand you and I wish I could have lived this period. My father who went for the first time in 1963 has only good memories of this period, except for the bigger amount of deads than there are today.

My first time in Le Mans was in 1988, with the Jags XJR, the Porsche 962s, the Nissan and the Toyotas and the Mercedeses. They were reaching almost 400 km/h in the Mulsanne straight. And some engine sounds were unforgettable.

Today, it's not like that anymore. Not only the sound level of the engine is decreasing year after year, but there is no "melody" anymore. I miss a lot the V12s from Ferrari or the V10 from Peugeot!

The track is still amazing, but not as much as 20 years ago.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 18):
Thank you for posting your pictures!

My pleasure  



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10862 posts, RR: 38
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

Let's get back into topic!

The Grand Prix d'Espagne - sorry Europe!

Go Hammy!!!!! You're The Best!!!!!!

                          



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User currently offlinebill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 17):
I know I'm completely off topic, but since you are all petrol heads here, I'm sure you will enjoy

Thanks to your pictures, I just noticed the Lola-Aston Martins have the trademark Aston grill.


User currently offlineFX772LRF From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 675 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2312 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 17):

Amazing photos. Very accurate colors, too! Really love the shot of the Art Car, especially since I couldn't find one on the internet.  

Really appreciate you sharing.

-Noah   



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User currently onlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2800 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

Quoting FX772LRF (Reply 22):
Amazing photos. Very accurate colors, too! Really love the shot of the Art Car, especially since I couldn't find one on the internet

Thank you for the compliment  Silly

The only thing I don't understand is that I have uploaded as 1200x and it shows as 1024x...   

[Edited 2010-06-25 02:43:05]


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10862 posts, RR: 38
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

Alonso seems to be best/quickest on this track for the time being during P2. I find this track boring but it's part of the circuit so like it or not, the race has to be.

Anyway, this is where they are at at this time. I only wish Kamui had a better car. He is such a great driver he deserves really a better car. He has a future in F1.


1 Fernando Alonso ESP 8 Ferrari 21 en piste
2 Sebastian Vettel GER 5 Red Bull 16 en piste
3 Mark Webber AUS 6 Red Bull 17 en piste
4 Nico Rosberg GER 4 Mercedes 13 en piste
5 Lewis Hamilton GBR 2 McLaren 14 dans les stands
6 Robert Kubica POL 11 Renault 17 en piste
7 Adrian Sutil GER 14 Force India 21 en piste
8 Jenson Button GBR 1 McLaren 16 dans les stands
9 Felipe Massa BRA 7 Ferrari 11 en piste
10 Michael Schumacher GER 3 Mercedes 11 dans les stands
11 Vitantonio Liuzzi ITA 15 Force India 23 en piste
12 Rubens Barrichello BRA 9 Williams 22 dans les stands
13 Vitaly Petrov RUS 12 Renault 17 en piste
14 Sébastien Buemi SUI 16 Toro Rosso 23 en piste
15 Kamui Kobayashi JPN 23 BMW Sauber 22 en piste
16 Pedro de la Rosa ESP 22 BMW Sauber 19 en piste
17 Nico Hülkenberg GER 10 Williams 18 dans les stands
18 Jaime Alguersuari ESP 17 Toro Rosso 19 en piste
19 Heikki Kovalainen FIN 19 Lotus 20 en piste
20 Jarno Trulli ITA 18 Lotus 19 en piste
21 Timo Glock GER 24 Virgin Racing 14 abandon
22 Bruno Senna BRA 21 HRT F1 16 en piste
23 Karun Chandhok IND 20 HRT F1 13 en piste
24 Lucas Di Grassi BRA 25 Virgin Racing 16 en piste



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25 GrahamHill : You're not the only one! This track is terrible, in the bad sense...
26 Post contains images sudden : I strongly object, and think this post should be removed, and a permanent ban to teach you a lesson, son. When I was at your age......... I agree tha
27 Post contains images MadameConcorde : My question about the "small teams": will Virgin Racing, Hispania Racing and Lotus still be racing next season? How about BMW Sauber? What is your tak
28 bill142 : Lotus and Virgin are well backed. So they will be there this season. Hispania and Sauber need to find money.
29 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Quaflifyings have started. Beautiful weather down there. Let's see what giives and who will make pole. It could be anyone as far as I am concerned, at
30 MadameConcorde : It's Red Bull this time. Vettel and Webber. The Grid - European GP Valencia Spain 1 Germany S Vettel Red Bull 2 Australia M Webber Red Bull 3 Great Br
31 GrahamHill : What happened to Mercedes? They did their worst qualifying of the year! I hope Webber wins tommorrow!!
32 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I hope Hammy wins tomorrow! Where's Schumi? He had so many particulars done on his cars and he is nowhere to be seen... Maybe they should give him th
33 Post contains images CXB77L : Yes! Vettel's on pole! Given that a street circuit is notoriously difficult to overtake on, this can only be good news for Vettel I hope Vettel takes
34 sudden : I wonder if Brawn kicks himself to sleep every night over the fact that he brought onboard the "god all mighty" Schumi. It's nothing but embarrasing.
35 GrahamHill : He might well do! McLaren is the only team able to compete with Red Bull at the moment. I said that I would not judge his performances before mid-sea
36 bill142 : in his defence, if you look at where Rosberg is, I'd suggest it's more car than driver. I think Canada was an exception and was simply a poor race.
37 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : I find that Schumi is far too demanding of Mercedes considering his 2010 performance. It was a circus in the garage in Monaco with Schumi playing up
38 GrahamHill : Fair enough, but we're talking about a 7-time WDC winner here, holding almost all the records in F1. We're talking about someone who was pushing his
39 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I wonder what the teams pit stop strategy will be for this race. Probably not as much abasion on the tyres as in the last GP in Montreal, so maybe onl
40 Post contains images GrahamHill : Ah well, Germany vs England is old classic!
41 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I don't hear any vuvuzelas in Valencia, strangely... OK it's all starting in a couple of minutes! Good luck to all.... Go Hammy!!!!! Yes You Can!!!!!!
42 Post contains images MadameConcorde : "Vettel hit me," says Hamilton. "I've got a vibration on my left front."
43 BlueElephant : It's going to be a fun day for some of us. F1 Race at Valencia, England v. Germany, Argentina v. Mexico, TOP GEAR!
44 MadameConcorde : Looks like Hammy had a part of the car flying off after getting hit not only once but twice by the Red Bull car... He is in trouble and cannot go as f
45 bill142 : WOWZERS.... Huge incident between Kovalinen an Webber.
46 MadameConcorde : Well it is Webber who hit Kovalainen.... why do Red Bulls keep hitting others? Hammy pitted...
47 bill142 : Get over it. It was a simple racing incident.
48 MIAspotter : Jesus!! nasty crash for Webber, holy moley, glad they are both OK... Scary stuff MIAspotter.
49 MadameConcorde : Kamui is in Third place? Holy Moses! He still has to pit though...
50 BlueElephant : MY GODs....what an accident....racing incident...but glad both are ok. It's been a long time since we've seen an F1 car flying through the air.[Edited
51 legoguy : How did the Ferrari's end up so far back after pitting when Vettel and Hamilton got through with no difficulties? Hamilton under investigation, possib
52 BlueElephant : He's under investigation for backing everyone up, but McLaren say he was targeting a lap time under a safety car. If it was me...I'd push now, make V
53 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Hammy is penalized for going ahead of the safety car, drive through penalty. This gets Kamui in Second place! Holy cow!!!!
54 BlueElephant : Drive through for Hamilton...I called that strategy...I should be Lewis' race strategist...I hope the people at McLaren are reading this.
55 legoguy : Explained now, he passed the safety car just a split second after the second safety car line at the exit of the pits, however he hesitated before hand
56 MadameConcorde : Hey Hammy is back in second place with Kamui in third!!!! A podium for Kamui??? Is this really possible??
57 BlueElephant : Back out in 2nd....Beautifully done by McLaren and thank you to Kobayashi.
58 legoguy : No, he hasn't pit yet I don't think.
59 MadameConcorde : He is doing a great job considering the car, though.... Bravo Kamui!!!!! He still has to pit, but still a great great job by Kamui!!!!
60 BlueElephant : half the grid under investigation for driving too fast behind the Safety Car....investigated after the race ... this could be interesting. I hate to b
61 MadameConcorde : 7 laps from the end we have Country Driver Team 1 Germany S Vettel Red Bull 2 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren 3 Japan K Kobayashi BMW Sauber 4 Great
62 bill142 : I'm certainly not pro-Ferrari, but if they've picked up that these cars have breached the rules than they're right to make note of it to the FIA.
63 BlueElephant : Absolutely...but I bet that's what they spent their race doing instead of trying to get passed everyone.
64 MadameConcorde : Favbulous Kamui!!!! Did you see how he got Alonso!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
65 Post contains images GrahamHill : Impressive driving from Kobayashi!! Congrats to Vettel. Well deserved. I'm just sad for Mark
66 bill142 : Good move on Algeusari at the last corner as well.
67 BlueElephant : Kobayashi- Driver of the race....no doubt. Alonso and Buemi. and with that, if my calculations are correct....Kobayashi would get a third place podiu
68 Post contains images legoguy : Well with half the gid under investigation, it looks like Kobayashi will get 3rd place if any time penalties are dished out Really unfortunate day for
69 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I am really really happy for Peter Sauber, and for Kamui and Pedro.... of course!!! With the car investigations, Kamui could finish third? Congrats to
70 Post contains images MadameConcorde : oops... press conference cut off and there goes the football game with the anthems and the vuvuzelas.... Go Brits!!!! Britannia rules the waves!!!! Co
71 Post contains images CXB77L : Vettel wins!!! What a drive from Vettel, leading from start to finish. As he said on the radio, he is now back on track for the World Championship, wh
72 Post contains images MadameConcorde : From the first time I saw him on a track in Brazil I knew that Kamui is a fabulous driver. Give him a McLaren and you will see!!!!!! He could beat th
73 Larshjort : Congrats to Kobayashi and Sauber , impressive driving this weekend. Is there a punishment for racing under blue flag while holding back lapping cars a
74 Post contains images MadameConcorde : copyright MadameConcorde Go Kamui!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
75 stealthz : And Alonso is complaining that the stewards manipulated the race... Methinks FA is spending too much time around Luca De!! Ferrari need to lift their
76 Post contains links BlueElephant : Hahaha!!! Angry Alonso says race 'manipulated' http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84837 Hey Fernando....Singapore 2008....Did a safety car ma
77 Post contains images sudden : Today I had to be the man of the house and set the foot down, which resulted in me saying: "Yes dear, of course I go with you to the beach instead of
78 Post contains images scbriml : Best bit of the race was Alonso and his engineer bitching about Hamilton's penalty! I guess 'manipulation' is OK when it goes in Ferrari's or Alonso's
79 MadameConcorde : Sauber has no money or sponsors yet Kamui drove a crap car but he certainly did a heck of a race comparing to the Ferraris!!! Kamui with a Ferrari wo
80 scbriml : Afraid I cannot agree with that. All it demonstrates is that this is an awful track where it's just about impossible to overtake a significantly slow
81 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Overtaking is quite possible on this track. See Hammy overtaking Schumi. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUH739QThnA Alonso could very well have overt
82 Post contains links and images scbriml : This just gets funnier and funnier. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8766420.stm If Alonso subsequently spent 47 laps unable to
83 scbriml : Don't even think that's the race, but even if it was it would have been a lapping, so Schumacher would have let him pass (Hamilton even gives him a l
84 Post contains images sudden : Here we go again. He's paying his salary, so what did you expect, really!? At Silverstone it will all be back to normal, and you know what that means
85 Post contains links sudden : Penalties have been handed out in the form of 5 seconds; http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/6/10963.html
86 stealthz : Anyone ever notice one of the most consistent things in this sport we love. It is the usual suspects that do the most complaining when circumstances a
87 Larshjort : Nice to see Glock getting a 20 sec penalty for ignoring blue flag.it's bad enough they get lapped several times they don't need to block the field ev
88 Post contains images Springbok747 : Long thread..didn't read all the posts.. Alonso is being a crybaby again..and Hamilton is a cheater. WTF was his bout of amnesia at the end of the rac
89 EZEIZA : That until the SC came out, he was closing on Hammy. The SC definitely ruined Ferrari's race .. however, I wsn't able to watchthe last 20 laps or so
90 stealthz : Maybe not a major one but a mistake given the onus is on the following car to not hit one in front, HK has said that Mark was llikely caught out by h
91 Post contains images sudden : Well, as Webber got airborn with a car, again, he could better apply at the Australian Airforce.
92 stealthz : or perhaps transfer to Red Bull Air Race!!
93 bill142 : He really is the master of the flips. Matt Hall watch out. He cried, everyone got penalised yet he failed to benefit. Not much Alonso can do but get
94 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Film of the crash from different angles. It is a true miracle that he came out of this one as he did. He litterally flew off in the air. http://www.w
95 Post contains images codeshare : Was supposed to be a boring race, but we had some excitement (an interesting season indeed). Alonso better start driving not whining, he is a good dri
96 sudden : hahaha....good one mate! Although Alonso sure knows how to cry, I think this complain also had to do with his boss, to be honest. It's just a bit too
97 Post contains images GrahamHill : He seems to enjoy it . Just before the Canadian GP, some drivers were asked what they thought about the 24 Hours of Le Mans (which was happening on t
98 scbriml : Yes, and after the SC he was closing on Buemi. Then he spent 47 laps following him. It's just about impossible to overtake on this awful circuit and
99 VC-10 : Just read that Luca di Montezemolo thinks that the Hamilton drive through incident " cast a shadow over the credibility of the sport." I think that's
100 codeshare : I don't remember how it is in the rules but from the moment the driver/team receive a penalty, during the race, they should have a maximmum number of
101 Post contains images EZEIZA : one thing is FA's complaint, anothe rthing is the penalty .. It just doesn't make sense that a penalty like that won't affect the driver that did it
102 aerobalance : Since the penalty did not fit the crime it should be considered to commit the crime in the future if it proves to be an advantage. Is that bass-ackwar
103 Post contains links and images legoguy : http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84876 "That is a very serious and unacceptable event that creates dangerous precedents, throwing a shadow
104 Post contains images EZEIZA : I read it as FIA will have harsher penalties for this for the future. What's done is donde. I can understand Ferrari being upset, but it's over. I wo
105 sudden : Apology!? From Ferrari!? Montezemolo/Ferrari are Italians so you can forget it about it! Sometimes too proud for their own good.
106 Post contains images EZEIZA : Hey, I'm Italian too and I appologize when I have to
107 Post contains images scbriml : Hamilton was given the prescibed punishment for his 'crime'. It's hardly his fault that having served his punishment it didn't change his race positi
108 aerobalance : Prescribed? Yes. Proper? Fair? No. The amount of time gained by going around the safety car was much more than what was lost in the drive through - b
109 TristarAtLCA : I think it only fair to add that Hamilton revealed he had vibration and understeer following his first corner coming together with Vettel which occur
110 Post contains images scbriml : You know, sometimes life just isn't fair. There's a fixed punishment for most, if not all, F1 technical infringements. Hamilton was punished and paid
111 photopilot : You forget something very important. The race Stewards took FAR TOO LONG to reach a decision after the Hamilton incident. If the "penalty" had of bee
112 stealthz : I believe Bill might have been referring to the 2008 CrashGate saga(did anyone notice one of the main protagonists made his return to an F1 paddock a
113 Post contains images aerobalance : And what is that? First time offense drive through penalty - anybody else does it again it will be dealt with a more severe penalty. How is that clea
114 Post contains images sudden : I know your Italian, but your not Ferrari on top of it. So don't take it personal.
115 MadameConcorde : Hammy served his sanction and still came second at the end. Hammy is greatt!!! As for Kamui he can very well repeat Valencia, maybe even better. He i
116 stealthz : I can admit it, the time taken to make decision, the length of the pit lane all worked in McLaren's favour I disagree with this part, the chips could
117 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Goodies at Goodwood - anyone going? http://www.goodwood.co.uk/festival-o...erage/articles/f1iscominghome.aspx
118 scbriml : I would hope the race stewards took the time they needed to reach the CORRECT decision. If they had been forced to reach a decision within, say, 5 la
119 Post contains images bill142 : Correct. I'm hard pressed to see how Alonso benefited from SpyGate. I think it was just an easy stab. I'll bide my time and get EZEIZA back one day Y
120 scbriml : No. The penalty for overtaking under SC should be a fixed penalty. If the rules and regulations are unclear or open to mis-interpretation (as at Mona
121 Post contains images EZEIZA : I know that, it just seems the punishment isn't fair. I'm aware it's not Hammys fault, but it's just not fair. I think the rule should be changed tha
122 stealthz : And do you have any suggestion how the rule should be changed? There were many that thought getting a penalty AFTER giving the place back as happened
123 A333TS : With LH it was not clear if he passed SC or not at first. Remember Ferrari's original complaint wasn't that LH passed a SC, but that he intentionally
124 stealthz : They are, at least those pertaining to the safety car! Personally I find the rules, Sporting Regulations 40.1-40.14 quite clear and straight forward.
125 A333TS : I am not familiar with the rules, is there a penalty for passing a safety car? I do not mean in LH case last weekend. Let say as an example driver wa
126 stealthz : The regulations state that competing cars must form up behind the safety car which is deemed to be on track at the safety car line. Passing the SC af
127 EZEIZA : but the outcome would have been the same. Drive through for all, and everyone maintaining their positions. I doubt it. At most they would have taken
128 Post contains images scbriml : Well, unfortunately, fairness is a subjective thing, one man's fair is another's unfair. My personal opinion is that a drive-trough penalty is right
129 Post contains links and images scbriml : Hamilton hits back at Alonso. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8772058.stm Ouch! Interesting piece on the incident and the 'rela
130 Post contains images MadameConcorde : A proof that the Sauber isn't all that bad proven it's driven by a great driver, Kamui (not inferring that Pedro isn't good). Thus spoke Hammy - and
131 sudden : No he can't and wont as there are no more tracks this season that will allow him to block faster cars like Valencia does. By what standard? Based on
132 EZEIZA : this time, yes. But the precedent this incident created could be dangerous why? then it's hypocritical for Mclaren to complain, or Renault .. or prob
133 stealthz : Actually the precedent had already been set, giving a harsher penalty might have set a more dangerous new precedent eg what if 10 sec. stop go was im
134 bill142 : Bernie no doubt. They do own a football club together. People were suggesting RBR should give up on 2010 after Melbourne because they failed to win t
135 EZEIZA : tough. But the penalty should be harsher in my opinion, regardless of who takes advantage for it because as proved in Valencia, the penalty given did
136 Baroque : Nice to read such strong arguments for F1 drivers not concentrating on what is ahead of them and gazing sideways, at what 89 degrees off course, just
137 Aesma : And the filter used to make the resizing is terrible, the pictures are aliased.
138 GrahamHill : I know! But they should not show like that! I have uploaded some previous pictures as 1200x and they are showing as 1200x. But for my Le Mans pics, n
139 BlueElephant : Let me ask you a question: If you took off your Ferrari Blinders...and switched LH and FA's position...Say FA had done this, and Charlie took 10 laps
140 Post contains links sudden : Renault to partner with MasterCard, and Raikkonen to join Renault? I'm really interested to know how this will end. http://www.autosport.com/news/repo
141 Post contains images EZEIZA : I didi say "regardless of the driver..." , that also means regardless of the car. yes, and what I'm saying is that the rule should chamge for the fut
142 stealthz : No it hasn't and I repeat, a harsher penalty would cause a precedent most would not like. A harsher penalty would be too harsh when applied at tracks
143 Post contains links EZEIZA : not subjective, just change it for everyone and that's it. so? that would make the drivers even less likely to make the penalty in the first place. o
144 stealthz : There is a harsher penalty available and the stewards and race director chose not to apply it, likely due to the closeness of the call. The Ferraris
145 EZEIZA : fair enough, although it shouldn't depend on how close the call was .. either he passed the SC or he didn't. Look how closer the call was with Schumi
146 sudden : would? With all respect, I think that happened long ago.
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