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The Texas GOP: A Buncha Nuts  
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19415 posts, RR: 58
Posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3628 times:

The following quotes are taken directly from from the Texas GOP's 2010 platform. You can find it at

http://www.texasgop.org/

Quote:
"We Believe in:
1. Strict adherence to the Declaration of Independence and U.S. and Texas Constitutions."

But then later...

Quote:
Flag Desecration – Any form of desecration of the American Flag is an act of disregard for our nation and its people and
penalties should be established for such.

How the hell does that square? I'm against flag desecration as the next guy, but banning it? What is this? The USSR?

Quote:
Family Values – We affirm that this section is a response to the attacks on traditional family values. These include wellfunded,
vigorous political and judicial attempts by powerful organizations and branches of the government to force
acceptance, affirmation and normalization of homosexual behavior upon school children, parents, educational institutions,
businesses, employees, government bodies and religious institutions and charities. These aggressive, intolerant efforts
marginalize as bigots anyone who dissents.

But then...

Quote:
Homosexuality – We believe that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown
of the family unit, and leads to the spread of dangerous, communicable diseases. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the
fundamental, unchanging truths that have been
ordained by God, recognized by our country’s founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be
presented as an acceptable “alternative” lifestyle in our public education and policy, nor should “family” be redefined to
include homosexual “couples.” We are opposed to any granting of special legal entitlements, refuse to recognize, or grant
special privileges including, but not limited to: marriage between persons of the same sex (regardless of state of origin),
custody of children by homosexuals, homosexual partner insurance or retirement benefits. We oppose any criminal or civil
penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values.
Texas Sodomy Statutes – We oppose the legalization of sodomy. We demand that Congress exercise its authority
granted by the U.S. Constitution to withhold jurisdiction from the federal courts from cases involving sodomy.

Not bigots. Let's read that again with a little twist.

Quote:
Homosexuality – We believe that the practice of Judaism tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown
of the family unit, and leads to the spread of dangerous, communicable diseases. Jewish behavior is contrary to the
fundamental, unchanging truths that have been
ordained by God, recognized by our country’s founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Judaism must not be
presented as an acceptable “alternative” lifestyle in our public education and policy, nor should “family” be redefined to
include inter-religious “couples.” We are opposed to any granting of special legal entitlements, refuse to recognize, or grant
special privileges including, but not limited to: marriage between persons of a different religion (regardless of state of origin),
custody of children by Jews, Jewish partner insurance or retirement benefits. We oppose any criminal or civil
penalties against those who oppose Judaism out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values.

And Judaism is certainly a choice. So this scares the hell out of me. They scare the hell out of me.

And this is a mainstream political party.

What's their problem? What special right have I asked for? To marry, to have and keep children, to feel safe from discrimination against me based on my sexual orientation, to provide for my husband if I die, to pool resources, etc. How does it hurt anyone? Why this hate? Why is this OK? They run out of Jews to hate?

This is a bunch of reactionary bullcrap. This isn't conservative and any conservative should appalled at this. How DARE they invoke the first amendment and then speak of criminalizing sodomy?

Maybe we need to outlaw being a member of the Texas GOP party and confiscate their kids if they come visit CA.

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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5232 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3620 times:

All of those references to God. We are a secular nation in which church and state are supposed to be separate entities. It would be nice if in 2010, the Texas state GOP came to grips with that reality.

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
I'm against flag desecration as the next guy, but banning it?

Exactly. One can disagree with burning the flag all they want, but the right to burn it is a protected form of speech. Besides, it's sad that this is one of their priorities when there are so many pressing issues in this country.

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
What's their problem? What special right have I asked for? To marry, to have and keep children, to feel safe from discrimination against me based on my sexual orientation, to provide for my husband if I die, to pool resources, etc.

That's what I've never understood either Doc. How are any of those special rights? How can anyone look at that list there and say that we are asking for anything above and beyond what straight men and women already enjoy? We don't want special rights, we want equal rights, and it's high time that more people started accepting that. I have yet to hear anyone offer a cogent argument as to how any of the above is a special right rather than an equal right.

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
How does it hurt anyone?

It doesn't. But there are plenty of people out there who are so repulsed by your relationship with your partner that they are more than willing to limit your rights as "punishment".

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
This isn't conservative and any conservative should appalled at this.

   Arguably, the biggest mistake that the GOP ever made was selling its soul and base to the religious right. Expanding the role of the government to include regulating what goes on in someone's bedroom is not a conservative ideal.



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User currently offlineCrosscheck007 From Poland, joined Jan 2010, 278 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3620 times:

I really hope these people do not wield any serious power in that state!    Yikes...

Cheers,

007



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User currently offlineua777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3614 times:

Quoting Crosscheck007 (Reply 2):
I really hope these people do not wield any serious power in that state!    Yikes...

You've clearly never been to Texas.

Or the middle of America for that matter.....



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39704 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3565 times:

Give Texas back to Mexico.

It's funny how they love that slogan; "Dont Mess With Texas".Yet 4 others already have.



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User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3868 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
It's funny how they love that slogan; "Dont Mess With Texas".

Easily the most successful anti-littering campaign of all time.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 1):
Arguably, the biggest mistake that the GOP ever made was selling its soul and base to the religious right. Expanding the role of the government to include regulating what goes on in someone's bedroom is not a conservative ideal.

Yep. I lean to the right politically, but I hate how the GOP's platform has been hijacked by the moral majority and the religious right who have the cajones to claim they are anti-big government when they are in favor of regulating what goes on between two consenting adults. Talk about hypocrisy! (but, to be perfectly fair, hypocrisy isn't a trait limited to the republicans, and its prevalent on the democrat side as well)


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8792 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3520 times:

Quoting us330 (Reply 5):

Yep. I lean to the right politically, but I hate how the GOP's platform has been hijacked by the moral majority and the religious right who have the cajones to claim they are anti-big government when they are in favor of regulating what goes on between two consenting adults.

I agree with that. It's a distraction. However they do make some good points, such as standing against the persecution of those who do not agree with the PC program. Gay marriage for instance should not be taught to kids as being perfectly normal - that's a values call that should be taught by parents, and should not even be discussed in school, IMHO. It's indoctrination.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8190 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

Doc,

This is Texas. Land of the cowboy, steers, and oil. Maybe a few sheep as it gets lonely on the range.

God fearing, church going folk. Most are pretty decent. Huntsville takes care of a lot of the rest, except the politicians.

There are some politicians in Texas who actually believe the crap they write, but most just see it as an easy way to get votes from the red necks.


User currently offlinembmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3454 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
Gay marriage for instance should not be taught to kids as being perfectly normal - that's a values call that should be taught by parents...

How is teaching that gay marriage is normal a "value"? You know, the APA declassified homosexuality as "abnormal" around 1970. The scientific community no longer views homosexuality as a pathology or mental flaw of any sort.

I just wish you would drop the word "normal" from your vernacular, as it is a loaded term (connotation) and therefore means a lot of different things to different people.

I wonder how you feel about teaching gay marriage as being neutral? Such as acknowledging that some kids who attend school have two fathers or two mothers and shouldn't be persecuted because of it. Or do you believe that gay marriage is something that schools dare not mention?


User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3659 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 7):
This is Texas. Land of the cowboy, steers, and oil. Maybe a few sheep as it gets lonely on the range.

God fearing, church going folk. Most are pretty decent. Huntsville takes care of a lot of the rest, except the politicians.

There are some politicians in Texas who actually believe the crap they write, but most just see it as an easy way to get votes from the red necks.

   That's Texas for you, sad as it is!



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User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3442 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):

I didn't have to read all those quotes to come to this conclusion "The Texas GOP: A Buncha Nuts" about the Texas GOP. Mofos are crazy. I have never seen a place so pro gun, and probably pro-violence, captial punishment, yet, they worship family values and religion. How does this go hand in hand?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
Give Texas back to Mexico.

I agree. I always hated the Cowboys anyway.



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3573 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3404 times:

But interestingly, Texas is doing relatively well during this financial mess, compared to....let's say...that bastion of enlightened thought, California. Just sayin'.

In fact, some parts are thriving and growing, I've been looking that direction myself.


User currently offlineclemsonaj From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3402 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
Gay marriage for instance should not be taught to kids as being perfectly normal - that's a values call that should be taught by parents, and should not even be discussed in school, IMHO. It's indoctrination.

I went to public schools and I don't remember a marriage class. I realize that there are probably instances in early grades textbooks where the family unit is represented, but I know of no instance where the family unit is part of the curriculum.

I absolutely despise the casual use of the term indoctrination. The people who seem to want to throw it around are typically the ones dragging their kids to church to be indoctrinated. Teaching children, even at home, to accept a set of core beliefs without question is true indoctrination, however IF a curriculum chose to represent a variety of families and values and then give them a choice it is not!


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3370 times:

This is why I now consider myself Libertarian and not Conservative  

[Edited 2010-06-25 10:03:26]


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User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3339 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
Gay marriage for instance should not be taught to kids as being perfectly normal - that's a values call that should be taught by parents, and should not even be discussed in school, IMHO. It's indoctrination.

That's right.As I have posted many times before,while I don't hate gays on personal basis and they can do what they want,but why gays gain such politic prominence.....next entry....

Quoting mbmbos (Reply 8):
I wonder how you feel about teaching gay marriage as being neutral?

Because it's a sexual mentality like anyone's else choice mindset of pleasure or lifrstyle.

The voters seem to say the same thing.

[Edited 2010-06-25 11:10:58]


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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3278 posts, RR: 45
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 14):

Because it's a sexual mentality like anyone's else choice mindset of pleasure or lifrstyle.

Link?

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 14):

The voters seem to say the same thing.

Ahh, so if a majority says it, it must be right.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1831 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 11):
But interestingly, Texas is doing relatively well during this financial mess, compared to....let's say...that bastion of enlightened thought, California. Just sayin'.

In fact, some parts are thriving and growing, I've been looking that direction myself.

Sure, but none of the policies outlined above have anything at all to do with fiscal matters.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 11):
But interestingly, Texas is doing relatively well during this financial mess, compared to....let's say...that bastion of enlightened thought, California. Just sayin'.

Don't worry CA is going to legalize Marijuana and that will solve all it's problems with the increased tax revenue!   

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
How the hell does that square? I'm against flag desecration as the next guy, but banning it? What is this? The USSR?

No far from it but you really should think about the doing anything negative to our symbol. Why do you sympathize with someone destroying our flag? If someone did something negative in my presence I tell you a law would be their least problem.

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
Maybe we need to outlaw being a member of the Texas GOP party and confiscate their kids if they come visit CA.

I doubt you will ever have to worry about that. CA is the last place they ever want to go.

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
This is a bunch of reactionary bullcrap. This isn't conservative and any conservative should appalled at this

I am not exactly conservative but even most conservatives will not be apalled if they have ever been to Texas. It's 180 degrees from CA but then again you do remember how the vote for prop 8 went last year? You can't pigeon hole Texas here when it comes to gay marriage either, many southern states feel the same way and it will be a very long time if at all if they change their mindset. Doesn't mean they are appalling, or reactionary. Will this change? It may take some time. They did vote in a lesbian official which was some progress.


User currently offlineATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 539 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 1):
Exactly. One can disagree with burning the flag all they want, but the right to burn it is a protected form of speech. Besides, it's sad that this is one of their priorities when there are so many pressing issues in this country.
Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):

What's their problem? What special right have I asked for? To marry, to have and keep children, to feel safe from discrimination against me based on my sexual orientation, to provide for my husband if I die, to pool resources, etc. How does it hurt anyone? Why this hate? Why is this OK? They run out of Jews to hate?

Now that was uncalled for. Many conservatives will fight for the rights of gays and do not hate Jews. Perhaps the people of Texas are F'd in the head, but not conservatives. I know a number of liberal Texans whose beliefs are just as screwed up as conservatives.

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
Maybe we need to outlaw being a member of the Texas GOP party and confiscate their kids if they come visit CA

Now how would this help the cause? "DONT go to California, the queers will take your kids!" I can hear it now coming from the nuts and I don't think this is the goal of the gay community.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 1):
Arguably, the biggest mistake that the GOP ever made was selling its soul and base to the religious right. Expanding the role of the government to include regulating what goes on in someone's bedroom is not a conservative ideal.

I could not agree more with this statement. I am a conservative and detest nearly all "conservative right" ideals, and feel they are nothing more than hate hiding under the cross.

Quoting ua777222 (Reply 3):
Or the middle of America for that matter.....

Middle America, including Texas, is highly religious. Of course people will have their spiritual beliefs, and this will influence their decisions in day to day life. This is why most Bible thumpers are not taken particularly seriously by anyone but other thumpers.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 7):
There are some politicians in Texas who actually believe the crap they write, but most just see it as an easy way to get votes from the red necks.

Which is all any politician does. How in the world do you think Obama got elected only to further screw up everything he claimed Bush did wrong? I know you don't think they actually believe the crap they spew. On either side of the table politicians are full of more hot air than all the balloons over New Mexico.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
Gay marriage for instance should not be taught to kids as being perfectly normal - that's a values call that should be taught by parents, and should not even be discussed in school, IMHO. It's indoctrination.

Gay marriage being taught by schools is ridiculous and inflammatory. Children are not taught straight marriage is ok, teaching gay marriage sanctity would be the school endorsing the gay lifestyle. This is a subject that needs to be left up to the parents.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 10):
I didn't have to read all those quotes to come to this conclusion "The Texas GOP: A Buncha Nuts" about the Texas GOP. Mofos are crazy. I have never seen a place so pro gun, and probably pro-violence, captial punishment, yet, they worship family values and religion. How does this go hand in hand?

They are Christians, and claim to follow the word of the bible and fundamental American rights written by other Christians. (New Testament of course)  
Quoting mham001 (Reply 11):
But interestingly, Texas is doing relatively well during this financial mess, compared to....let's say...that bastion of enlightened thought, California. Just sayin'.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, that was just too good.

My $.02



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User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3271 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 15):
Quoting PSA53 (Reply 14):

Because it's a sexual mentality like anyone's else choice mindset of pleasure or lifrstyle.

Link?

The voters,me.too, are not convinced of you're case.That's a pretty big link.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 15):
Quoting PSA53 (Reply 14):

The voters seem to say the same thing.

Ahh, so if a majority says it, it must be right.

Not always.But in this issue,yes.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3270 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 17):
They did vote in a lesbian official

Well even some of the straightest Conservative men enjoy some good lesbian action   



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8792 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3270 times:

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 16):

Sure, but none of the policies outlined above have anything at all to do with fiscal matters.

Because you didn't read the source - a 25 page platform mostly dealing with fiscal policy, efficiency and a variety of other issues. Only a couple of paragraphs being dedicated to what we discussed here.

Quoting clemsonaj (Reply 12):
I went to public schools and I don't remember a marriage class. I realize that there are probably instances in early grades textbooks where the family unit is represented, but I know of no instance where the family unit is part of the curriculum.

You never took Social Studies? The family is the most basic social group.

Quoting mbmbos (Reply 8):

I just wish you would drop the word "normal" from your vernacular, as it is a loaded term (connotation) and therefore means a lot of different things to different people.

There is nothing wrong with normalcy. Normal works.



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4487 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3255 times:

For those that really want to see the platform in it's entirety. Here is a link
http://static.texastribune.org/media...TATE_REPUBLICAN_PARTY_PLATFORM.pdf

There are some really good points to the platform, but they really blow it with the Social conservatism aspects.

Not going to go to deep in it, but the amount of "requirements" surrounding abortion, religion, and homosexuality is just bloat to an otherwise sound platform.

[quote] "Census – ...........We urge that U.S. citizens who, because of religion
or conscience, are compelled to withhold their full response to any census question, be held guiltless. We support the
actual counting of people and oppose any type of estimation or manipulation of data."
/quote]

This is a very peculiar statement. So on one hand they are advocating people not being punished for not answering any census questions, and then they decry estimation, which would be needed to account for such acts. Very poor logic.



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User currently offlineLH459 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3254 times:

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 14):
Because it's a sexual mentality like anyone's else choice mindset of pleasure or lifrstyle.

And the same old zombie lie resurrects, as it invariably does in these threads. Like it or not, scientific evidence shows that being gay is definitely not a choice.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8792 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 22):
There are some really good points to the platform, but they really blow it with the Social conservatism aspects.

I agree, in that it should be made clear that those issues are far down the totem pole of priorities. If the GOP concentrated on nothing but getting the government back under control, they would easily win back both houses in November, and pretty much every election in the country (apart from San Francisco, maybe.)

[quote=casinterest,reply=22]

Quote:
"Census – ...........We urge that U.S. citizens who, because of religion
or conscience, are compelled to withhold their full response to any census question, be held guiltless. We support the
actual counting of people and oppose any type of estimation or manipulation of data."
/quote]

This is a very peculiar statement. So on one hand they are advocating people not being punished for not answering any census questions, and then they decry estimation, which would be needed to account for such acts. Very poor logic.

The estimations and manipulation they are speaking of does not relate to the basic counting of individuals, but mainly economic and other variables where frequently, if data does not fit the assumption, you change the data.



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
25 PSA53 : Then produce,not to me,but to the american public,you're claim, a valid,unbaised reseach of the scientific evidence. Otherwise,the that old zombie th
26 casinterest : Changing the data is wrong,but you should be able to extrapolate and provide statiistics with margin of error. That is basic math. Everything governe
27 LH459 : Repeated studies going back to the 70s support my claim. The evidence is out there on the interwebs, if you would actually care to look for it. The p
28 Post contains images Longhornmaniac : I asked you to support your claim that being homosexual is a lifestyle choice. Now all you're (note correct usage of the contraction) doing is tellin
29 Ken777 : Texas is doing OK right now, but was part of Oil Patch that was really suffering in the mid-80s when Reagan flew the economy at the expense of the oi
30 casinterest : All students at my schoold had to take it. Never forget the day we were talking about sex, and one of the girls asked if Semen had calories. Needless
31 PSA53 : You're missing the whole question from the beginning that I had asked and even I got off track..... Now,I don't care about if you're gay or not.IMHO,
32 Crosscheck007 : I've lived most my life in red states, a few years in a particularly backwards region. Doesn't mean they were willing to outlaw human beings for bein
33 mbmbos : Huh? What are you trying to say? If I'm getting your drift, you, like many other anti-gay posters you want to hone in on gay sexuality not gays as a
34 Post contains images EA772LR : What does pro-gun have to do with anything? I'm pro-gun, but non-violent. As nearly all others who legally carry. I'm a 27 year old professional jazz
35 Crosscheck007 : I don't think we are talking about wanting political power, privilege, or publicity; all we want is to be equal. The only ones that want political po
36 aznmadsci : I guess Houston voters can get the credit for electing a lesbian as mayor of one of the largest cities in the country! The psycho bible-thumpers did
37 Post contains images Longhornmaniac : Just for the record, I'm straight as an arrow. Not sure whether you were directing that at me, or just speaking generally. Fair enough. Apologies for
38 N1120A : 1) Easy to live on oil, gas and lots of BLM managed land. 2) Texas doesn't have a system that allows a relatively small minority to screw up the enti
39 Crosscheck007 : I should have been more specific. My red states did not. Cheers, 007
40 N1120A : Which red states were these?
41 Crosscheck007 : Arizona (I would not have been old enough to be having sex when these laws were in place) and Tennessee. Cheers, 007
42 Ken777 : That's a pretty good indication of intellect as Rice isn't a local JC. Used to live by it in the 50s and in that time it was male only. Actually whit
43 einsteinboricua : Ask Iran, Israel and any other place where religion and the state are the same thing... How does the burning of the flag affect you? It's a right I h
44 futurepilot16 : I never said anything about pro gun being pro violent. I said These republicans who are also pro gun, are also pro violence. I never said everyone wh
45 Post contains images n229nw : You are kidding, right? Science is not based on a vote. If people want to pass laws outlawing gravity because people have the "choice" not to be pull
46 ltbewr : These same fools also perverted the school texbooks bought by TX state schools, pushing a extreme, Christian centered and of course hyprocritical view
47 Post contains images Dreadnought : You forgot that we also like to beat our children with bats, rape nuns and dance naked around bonfires.
48 NIKV69 : I don't care what it is I feel it is a huge form of disrespect and I am going to act accordingly. That is also a form of free speech. If you feel it
49 seb146 : Right. The equality to enter into a legally binding partnership. We (American citizens) are WAY too hung up on the Christian word "marriage" being th
50 Post contains images Longhornmaniac : I didn't know you were an Aggie! Cheers, Cameron
51 Dreadnought : I'm insulted! I'm a Longhorn, class of '86.
52 Post contains images Longhornmaniac : Good for you! Then you can definitely appreciate the joke! Cheers, Cameron
53 us330 : True, but Texas has diversified since then--Houston may still be largely reliant on oil companies, but Dallas has greatly diversified in recent years
54 Dreadnought : Yeah, ltbewr seems to think we're all Aggies... Haven't been back in Austin in 20 years. Is Antone's still the greatest place ever?
55 BAKJet : The people you're talking about are probably the same people whose children commit suicice when [their children] realize they are gay. I know a lot o
56 Longhornmaniac : Yeah, but he died a couple years ago, don't know if you saw that or not. Sad day in Austin, for sure. What's keeping you from coming back? You'd be a
57 Post contains images Crosscheck007 : Oh yes, I am painfully aware of this. There are many backwards positions on homosexuality in Poland, however the restrictions faced by homosexuals in
58 DocLightning : It's the Texas GOP. Um... yeah. That's some serious power. What about interracial marriage? Shouldn't children be taught that they are free to do any
59 Dreadnought : Since I'm in one myself, I don't expect I'd have a problem with that. I agree totally. And I won't bother you about it. Just don't go around asking m
60 Continental : #@%! this these guys are nuts. Canada, here I come!
61 einsteinboricua : Not when it interferes with someone's right and is being done in a public place. If it's in your house, you're more than free to kick the person out.
62 seb146 : Including a legally binding contract between two consenting adults, which is what the basic definition of "marriage" is by the state. Dreadnought, pl
63 Ken777 : Probably the flip side of the coin, but living & letting live might actually mean giving others the same benefits you enjoy as a spouse. Taxes (w
64 Dreadnought : It's not the church or the state, but society, of which those two are a reflection. In our (western) society, marriage has been 1 man and 1 woman for
65 474218 : So are you saying there is something wrong with this philosophy? By the way "Check Spelling" is working!!!!
66 Post contains images GST : I strongly disagree. Closer, but I would expand on that. How about teaching kids that people can only live with the cards that they are given, and th
67 Post contains images Ken777 : And that might be one of the reasons why we have such a high divorce rate. Maybe it would be best to make marriage illegal until the age of, say, 23.
68 ATCtower : Gays most certainly can NOT donate blood in 48 states. Lesbians can but gay men can not. This is ONE instance where I could not agree more wholeheart
69 DocLightning : Once upon a time, your children would have been removed from your custody because you were in an interracial relationship. You would not be permitted
70 seb146 : Right. You choose to marry a woman. Making the state give two consenting adults the ability to enter into a partnership would give people the choice
71 N1120A : They have been saying that for years. 2001 and 1996 are still very recent. So stop being a hypocrite. No it wasn't. Before "no-fault" divorce, people
72 EA CO AS : Basically what I'm hearing is, "I don't agree with what you believe in, so therefore you're a horrible person." Problem is, it's coming from both the
73 Dreadnought : Civil Unions or Partnerships, as you call them are something else. I have no problem with them at all. Just don't call it marriage. I have not expres
74 Post contains images Crosscheck007 : LOL, did you even read my post? I was talking about POLAND... I was 12 in 2001... sex at that time was not really relevant.... Cheers, 007
75 Superfly : Look at it this way. It's stripping the government of it's right to incarcerate people for a plant the grows naturally. No one is saying that legaliz
76 Zentraedi : Why not? Why should everyone else have to subscribe to your narrow definition of "marriage"? For some, only ceremonies sanctioned by their specific c
77 seb146 : Exactly. Let churches have the word "marriage" and let the state and legal system stop going into everyone's bedrooms and allow two consenting adults
78 Post contains images Zentraedi : So you don't believe 2 atheists can be "married"? Also, to which religion do you believe it "belongs"?
79 NIKV69 : I hear you Larry I for one think all drugs should be legal and taxed, I mean we spend God knows how much money and never stop people from using it or
80 seb146 : They can be partnered. Anyone can. Married, I believe (my opinion) is a religous word. No religion in particular, just that I am of the opinion "marr
81 Dreadnought : I've advocated that for years. I was married in Switzerland, and I had a civil ceremony at the town hall - the civil union if you will, and then 2 da
82 dxing : ??? Texas won it's independence on its own from Mexico in 1836. If anything you would have to allow us to become a Republic again. There is a reason
83 Zentraedi : Now what exactly is it that makes all marriages fall with in the domain of religion? What particular aspect of marriages requires religion?? If you h
84 jpetekyxmd80 : Deflection... seems like you don't have much of a problem with this platform..
85 dxing : No one who is not a fundamentalist Christian would agree with agree with the second part. As to the first part, many people of all stripes believe th
86 BMI727 : I agree. Without the extra religious aspect of marriage, what would make it any different than two birds building a nest in a tree?
87 Zentraedi : So what exactly is this religious aspect? People keep saying it's tied to religion, but what exactly is the role that religion plays in a marriage th
88 Post contains images einsteinboricua : I love how when I find my future wife I'll be civil-unionized with her...hm..now that doesn't sound right, does it? Let's try it again...I love how wh
89 Post contains images WarRI1 : Hmm, your bio says age 76 plus. Now if you graduated from college in "86" which is 24 years ago, you graduated from college at the minimum age of 52.
90 Zentraedi : I have a another question for those stating that "Marriage is a religious institution". Well, what prevents the existence of a religion that accepts g
91 Post contains images Superfly : Mexico is getting Texas back slowly but surely. No argument from me. California is ran by idiots. There is no common sense on either side of the aisl
92 DocLightning : Not reprehensible, but contrary to the Bill of Rights. The very point of the First Amendment is that my speech might offend you and strike you as dee
93 Post contains links BAKJet : There actually is, Unitarian Universalism. It's definitely not your "typical" religion, but I'm a member of the UU church in my town and I can tell y
94 Post contains links tbar220 : I'm a little late to this conversation, but there are two things that stick out to me. (1) IF homosexuality were a choice, why is it a wrong choice? A
95 dxing : How is having that language in a State platform, in a State you don't even live in, a violation of the Bill of Rights? And that works both ways. Obvi
96 Post contains images Ken777 : Let everyone have the same rights in this country when it comes to marriage. Rights and Responsibilities. If various religions want to take positions
97 DocLightning : Actually, that Equal protection clause applies to the states quite nicely. If a state is going to let two unrelated adults marry, then it's got to be
98 Dreadnought : But that has never been a definition of marriage. Marriage is a socially sanctioned union that reproduces the family. Same-sex unions cannot do that.
99 DocLightning : It also reads something about a "well-regulated militia..." The whole amendment makes no sense. We wish they'd done a better job of explaining themse
100 dxing : That'd be fine if marriage were a "right". If it were a "right" then you would not be able to decline a 3 party marriage. Marriage is and has always
101 Ken777 : So married couples who don't have children for any reason should be considered a failure and the marriage terminated for failure to reproduce? The le
102 einsteinboricua : So if I decide to marry but not have kids, that's not a family, even if it's recognized as a family unit?
103 Dreadnought : The statement is general. It should be structurally capable of reproducing - i.e. you have everything you need in principle. Whether you choose to do
104 N1120A : Of course it does. Well, they incorporated the Second Amendment, as they have most of the rest of the Bill of Rights. "These statutes also deprive th
105 dxing : At the State level yes, at the federal level no. Agreed several times in the past. But it is still not a marriage as marriage has different connatati
106 OA412 : Anyone else find it laughable that some of the same people who are talking about states rights in this thread are applauding the Supreme Court for lim
107 Dreadnought : Is gun ownership mentioned in the Constitution as a guaranteed right? Yes / No Is marriage mentioned in the Constitution? Yes / No Therefor gun owner
108 dxing : No since the 2nd ammendment is incorporated into the Constitution and that same Constitution is absolutely silent on marriage which then brings in th
109 N1120A : Well, you are only sort of right there, but we can work with this. 1) According to Loving , marriage is a fundamental right that is incorporated into
110 OA412 : Just making sure that we are on the same page that State's Rights are really only important when it's convenient to our argument no matter how much w
111 Zentraedi : Well, that's great. While I'm not a particularly religious person, that openness rather than persecution mentality is rather nice. According to whom?
112 dxing : Here is where a lot of Americans throw up there hands in disgust at the current legal system. Time and time again the population, where given a vote,
113 Ken777 : And most of that time the populations were massively ignorant of the true nature of gay and lesbian life preferences. How many would have been burned
114 Post contains images dxing : So all your children were just accidents? That should make them happy to know. I wonder what they (your children) will put on your tombstone "our bel
115 LMP737 : It's almost cliche but you can't help but wonder how long it will be before a high ranking member of the Texas GOP comes out of the closet. Or at the
116 garnetpalmetto : Because one of the cornerstones of civil rights and constitutional law is to protect minorities from the tyranny of the majority. Extending Ali's use
117 Ken777 : You missed the important part - I would still have married her, and would have still been married to her, even if we couldn't have had children toget
118 dxing : Which no one has suggested. Having children is a part of the reason of marriage, not the entire reason. But of course when you seek to prove somethng
119 DocLightning : I know tons of married people who don't plan on families.
120 dxing : I probably know tons of people that were ambivilant about having kids when they got married, and then had them when the time was right. Just because
121 DocLightning : OK. Great. What does that have to do with gay marriage? Some couples get together with no desire to reproduce and then decide to adopt. Some know the
122 Ken777 : That's an assumption on your part, presented to try to "prove you're right". Missed it again. Some cultures support polygamy. That is their right as
123 DocLightning : No you do not. That's not how the Blacks got their rights. Or women. Or slaves.
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