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Obama/Holder Drop Black Panthers Intimidation Case  
User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2818 times:

Surprise folks. Did anyone not see this one coming?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...-black-panther-case-ex-doj-lawyer/

Perez told the commission that the facts and the law didn't support the case against the group.

Sworn testimoney from people who say the individuals on the video tape tried to intimidate them into not voting and the video itself evidently don't constitute enough "facts" to proceed with the case.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbK...&ad=3265020430&kw=black%20panthers

I wonder if these had been a couple of white supremacists trying to deny black people from voting if the facts would not have supported the case against them? Well welcome to the "post" racial world folks!!

[Edited 2010-07-01 13:56:41]

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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8954 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2789 times:

This story has been around for a week, and is just looking worse and worse for the administration. It's looking like a very clear charge of obstruction of justice.

But for anyone who continues to doubt that the mainstream media is in the pocket of the Obama administration, just google the topic, try a few variations like Christian Adams (the whistleblower). You will find that apart from Fox News, none of the mainstream media is mentioning this.

Here is Adam's article on the affair.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...panther-case-anger-ignorance-and-/



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20336 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2761 times:

I agree that the information so far is pretty concerning.

I'm also skeptical that it's as bad as it sounds. Obama is many things, but he's not stupid. Do you honestly believe that even if he were of a mind to cover this up, that he thinks he could get away with it?

The man can't sneeze without a right-wing publication talking about how he used communist nose tissues, so I doubt he'd be stupid enough to be involved in something this blatant.


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8954 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
I'm also skeptical that it's as bad as it sounds. Obama is many things, but he's not stupid. Do you honestly believe that even if he were of a mind to cover this up, that he thinks he could get away with it?

I don't think anyone has connected Obama to this. It's possible I suppose but we have no evidence that he at any time got involved. So we can keep him out of it.

But AG Holder is probably involved, and certainly other political appointees in the justice department. Somehow, the justice department has been invaded by a culture over the last 18 months where the decisions whether to pursue a case no longer rest solely on the facts and the law, but now there is the added element of race, so that what is a crime for one group of people is perfectly acceptable for a select group of people.

This should hardly be surprising, as Obama specifically said that that's what he wanted from the judiciary.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democ.../02/barack_obamas_kinder_gentler_j



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User currently offlinescrubbsywg From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
I don't think anyone has connected Obama to this.

the OP did in the title...


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8954 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

Quoting scrubbsywg (Reply 4):
the OP did in the title...

He is the boss and Holder is his man. If people are willing to blame CEO Tony Hayward for the accident in the Gulf, then they would also have to accept that Obama carries some responsibility on this.

But, we can be gentle - so far, there is no evidence that Obama told Holder to back off on this case. Maybe he did (and he certainly would not disagree with the decision), but there is no evidence of it.



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User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
I'm also skeptical that it's as bad as it sounds. Obama is many things, but he's not stupid. Do you honestly believe that even if he were of a mind to cover this up, that he thinks he could get away with it?

There's no cover up, that the charges were dropped are a matter of public record, the question is why? Secondly, the Blagojevich trial is starting to look worriesome as it looks as if President Obama was doing some back room campaiging for his pal Valerie Jarret to take his seat. If that is true, then that indeed is stupid.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...-isn-t-there-but-he-comes-up-a-lot


Quoting scrubbsywg (Reply 4):
the OP did in the title...

Because like it or not, he is responsible for the DOJ. Holder may have much more to do directly with it but in a case as politically charged as this one, I'd be pissed if I were President and my AG terminated a case like this without at least consulting me or my chief of staff. Rule number one, don't surprise the boss.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2704 times:

It's funny nobody can answer why that Black Panther was standing at the front of a voting location on election day holding a huge club in his hand. Yet we assail a tea partier who wore a gun on his hip at a rally. I tell you something has to give soon because this is getting like the twilight zone.

User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
But AG Holder is probably involved

If nothing else, his 'stache is involved in it...that thing is involved in everything




User currently offlinembmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

Let's see, the Attorney General drops a case against the Black Panthers due to lack of evidence. And the Attorney General is black. Therefore it is a case of racial favoritism.

Really? And by "really" I mean are you really that naive?


User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
Obama is many things, but he's not stupid. Do you honestly believe that even if he were of a mind to cover this up, that he thinks he could get away with it?

Sadly, intelligence is not always an effective deterrent against "stupid" behavior. He may well have thought he had insulated himself enough from the goings-on that he had no reason to worry.

Quoting sw733 (Reply 8):
If nothing else, his 'stache is involved in it...that thing is involved in everything

LOL, Eric Holder...every time I see his picture, I think Stedman Graham has joined Obama's Cabinet.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
(and he certainly would not disagree with the decision),

One only has to look back to his first public comments on Henry Louis Gates' arrest for supporting evidence.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8954 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2654 times:

Here is a long interview with the whistleblower.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEOTQzdRwj0&feature=player_embedded

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR3m2Kb1Wzw&feature=player_embedded



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

Quoting mbmbos (Reply 9):
Let's see, the Attorney General drops a case against the Black Panthers due to lack of evidence. And the Attorney General is black. Therefore it is a case of racial favoritism.

Really? And by "really" I mean are you really that naive?

Now now, MBM, you're leaving out a small tidbit. There's quite a bit of evidence.



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User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2629 times:

Quoting mbmbos (Reply 9):
Let's see, the Attorney General drops a case against the Black Panthers due to lack of evidence. And the Attorney General is black. Therefore it is a case of racial favoritism.

Really? And by "really" I mean are you really that naive?
Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 12):
Now now, MBM, you're leaving out a small tidbit. There's quite a bit of evidence.

He's also leaving out the fact that the DOJ had the case won!!! The judge in the case was just waiting for the DOJ to come back with a suggestion for sentencing when they came back, after the election, and said they wanted to drop all charges!!

User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8954 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2620 times:

Quoting dxing (Reply 13):
He's also leaving out the fact that the DOJ had the case won!!! The judge in the case was just waiting for the DOJ to come back with a suggestion for sentencing when they came back, after the election, and said they wanted to drop all charges!!

Kinda makes you wonder why the defendants didn't show up. Could it be that they got a phone call saying, "Don't bother, we'll take care of it"?



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8954 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

If you want to see who exactly the defendant in this case was, who the Obama administration let go free, watch this National Geographic documentary.

This is National Geographic, not Fox News.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x0dM7fR1WQ&feature=player_embedded

What do you suppose would happen if someone with ties to the Republican Party were to come out of a house with the sign “Whites Only, no blacks allowed” and spout racial hatred suggesting we need to kill blacks and their children?

Note also that Mr. Jackson, the taller man who accompanies Shabazz everywhere, is a registered Democrat poll watcher in Philadelphia and an elected member of the Democratic Committee in that city.

The Justice Department had an airtight case against these guys, and AG Holder (possibly under orders from Obama) let them walk away to continue their recruitment drives.

Popular slogans used by Shabazz (included in the video) include, "It’s time to Kill Some Crackers! You’re gonna have to Kill their babies!”

More info: http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/inside/3952/Overview

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblo...t-new-black-panthers-myspace-page/



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6924 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

Eh, who's surprised?

In a nation of laws, our top arm of legal enforcement refuses to follow through on holding anyone accountable. And by daring to question the Obamessiah, we'll all be branded racists. Demagoguery as usual.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

Quoting Slider (Reply 16):
In a nation of laws, our top arm of legal enforcement refuses to follow through on holding anyone accountable. And by daring to question the Obamessiah, we'll all be branded racists. Demagoguery as usual.

Coming to an end though. This individual can stand in front of any polling station he wants this November. I think he will find his intimidation will not work this time. Nothing will be able to stop the people from doing what has to be done.


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8954 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2433 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 17):
Coming to an end though. This individual can stand in front of any polling station he wants this November. I think he will find his intimidation will not work this time. Nothing will be able to stop the people from doing what has to be done.

I think we can be very confident that if the Black Panthers show up and do the same thing, anyone who objects will be the target of the Justice Department.



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User currently offlinembmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

It appears the case against the Panthers was downgraded before the current administration even took office. So much for all the ridiculous conspiracy theories and racist adumbrations that you can forget prosecuting anybody who is black during the current administration's term.

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/a...n_was_the_new_black_panther#120462


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6924 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 15):
Popular slogans used by Shabazz (included in the video) include, "It’s time to Kill Some Crackers! You’re gonna have to Kill their babies!”
http://freedomeden.blogspot.com/2010...u-shabazz-and-osama-bin-laden.html

Gets better--Shabazz has a mancrush on Osama bin Laden....nice.


User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
Obama is many things, but he's not stupid.

That's debatable.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
Do you honestly believe that even if he were of a mind to cover this up, that he thinks he could get away with it?

I sure do because he's the most arrogant president I've ever seen. If there wasn't so much at risk, his arrogance would be laughable.

Quoting dxing (Thread starter):
I wonder if these had been a couple of white supremacists trying to deny black people from voting if the facts would not have supported the case against them? Well welcome to the "post" racial world folks!!

That's the real crux of this whole deal. If these were KKK members intimidating blacks, you can bet the rat puppet Holder would be prosecuting the hell out of that case. Racial tension has gotten worse since Obama's taken office. That's what happens when you've got a guy that hung around radicals and racist his whole life.



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4792 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2281 times:

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 21):
That's the real crux of this whole deal. If these were KKK members intimidating blacks, you can bet the rat puppet Holder would be prosecuting the hell out of that case. Racial tension has gotten worse since Obama's taken office. That's what happens when you've got a guy that hung around radicals and racist his whole life.

Go Back and Read

Quoting mbmbos (Reply 19):
It appears the case against the Panthers was downgraded before the current administration even took office. So much for all the ridiculous conspiracy theories and racist adumbrations that you can forget prosecuting anybody who is black during the current administration's term.

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/a...20462

Holder was not in charge when the case was dropped.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8289 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2271 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 18):
I think we can be very confident that if the Black Panthers show up and do the same thing, anyone who objects will be the target of the Justice Department.

Without any sort of resolution to the current issue at the DOJ, this is the kind of knee-jerk bone-throwing garbage that keeps our divisive discourse at its already heightened levels. Enough already! This whole thing smells very rotten to me but until I see what actions are taken to correct it, or not, I will reserve judgment - including that which assumes the DOJ will prosecute any complainant against the BPP.  
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 17):
This individual can stand in front of any polling station he wants this November. I think he will find his intimidation will not work this time. Nothing will be able to stop the people from doing what has to be done.

In that case that would be appropriate - voter intimidation should not be tolerated by anyone. We don't live in Cambodia.



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User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

Quoting mbmbos (Reply 19):
It appears the case against the Panthers was downgraded before the current administration even took office. So much for all the ridiculous conspiracy theories and racist adumbrations that you can forget prosecuting anybody who is black during the current administration's term.

The dispute is not about the case being downgraded, it is about it being dropped and it was dropped by the DOJ after AG Holder took office. It was dropped after the DOJ had basically secured a conviction by the very fact the defendants didn't bother to show up. The judge in the case was waiting on sentencing suggestions from the DOJ. But since we are supposedly post racial I guess if some white supremacists try the same thing they will get the same treatment right?


25 Maverick623 : If I ever see someone (excluding a police officer) standing outside a polling station with any kind of weapon, I would immediately call 911. If they
26 mbmbos : The case was weak from the get-go. A few Black Panthers hanging around a mostly black polling area, one of whom possibly flashed a knife. And yet you
27 Post contains images EA772LR : It's good to see there are some real men who aren't afraid to stand up to shadiness. The president doesn't agree with the majority of Americans on mu
28 mbmbos : Let's see, we have a situation where the federal justice system has decided the level of intimidation in this case will be difficult to prove and pro
29 EA772LR : Are you kidding me!!!??? These so-called Civil Rights Activists profit on keeping the races divided. They're rarely, if ever out protesting for white
30 NIKV69 : Won't matter, Obama will be called to task on not persuing this case that if the Black Panthers misbehave this November it will hurt them even more.
31 DL021 : Yes, he was. That article isn't pulling up for me, but Prospect is a "liberal intelligence" site with a definite left leaning slant. Predisposed to b
32 dxing : Perhaps you missed the point that the DOJ had already secured a defacto conviction? The Judge was awaiting a sentencing recommendation from the DOJ.
33 Post contains links CPH-R : http://www.usccr.gov/NBPH/05-14-2010_NBPPhearing.pdf#page=17 I'm sorry, I guess that wasn't the answer you wanted. The same document also shows just h
34 BN747 : Are you kidding ME? You don't any idea what you're talking about, the pimp you call Jackson has fought harder for poor whites and women (White women
35 474218 : Actually the case was already won by the government as the defendants did not show up for their arrangement. So there was a default judgement against
36 CPH-R : Incorrect, the case against King for displaying a weapon at a polling station wasn't dropped. He was let off with a slap on the wrist though.
37 dxing : No it wasn't, because the complaint does not say they were attempting to keep anyone from voting as the Black Panthers were in Philidelphia.
38 CPH-R : They were simply there for a casual chat with hispanic voters? Rubbish. It was the exact same thing and they too were let off the hook.
39 Post contains images EA772LR : You're hilarious! I'm well aware of who Jesse Jackson is and what that S.O.B. has done. He's a pimp, nothing more. He profits like his pal Al Sharpto
40 BN747 : And you're the same guy running around in the other thread talking about how much of a Christian you are in the other thread? ..what joke! No 'true C
41 Post contains images EA772LR : I'm sorry that you feel you know me enough to try and insult me. You don't, and you haven't, but have a nice day. Well whether or not we know why the
42 planespotting : Newsflash - THIS GROUP IS NOT THE BLACK PANTHERS. The party involved in this specific roe are the New Black Panther Party - who are NOT AFFILIATED AT
43 EA772LR : He's arrogant because he refuses to take the blame for anything, yet is the first to take credit for anything good. Everything is all about 'My My My
44 Post contains images dxing : The evidence in your link does not support that. The video from the event in Philidelphia does support the charges. You can act as offended as you wi
45 mt99 : By your definition, can you mention one President that was not arrogant?
46 planespotting : Care to throw anymore unqualified bluster, nonsense or hyperbole in your statements?
47 seb146 : So, this all happened under Bush and with Bush appointees two years ago, yet it is Obamas fault? One polling station. Yet, when people bring up electi
48 Post contains images planespotting : Basically, when something happens to a person/group that doesn't directly benefit the conservative cause, the person/group bringing the charges is a
49 DeltaMD90 : This isn't a conservative problem, it's human nature (unfortunately.)
50 474218 : And if the Supreme Court proves that at least five (5) of the justices can read and understand the English language, upholding the Second Amendment.
51 Post contains links AGM100 : The whole story is depressing ... the right is hyping it up and the left is letting it play out . The left can sit back and let the right attack on th
52 Maverick623 : Perhaps you missed the part where it was Holder who outright dropped the case, after securing a conviction by default? You have GOT to be kidding me.
53 planespotting : Do you feel it's OK for voters in a whole county or precinct to be disenfranchised/interfered with as well? Where were you in 2000 or 2004?
54 Maverick623 : High school, and not yet a member of this website. But that's besides the point. I make a post that clearly shows my absolute disgust for interfering
55 planespotting : I never said you said anything - I basically asked what you thought about 2000 and 2004. Then you somehow insinuated that I was a scumbag. Who's the
56 Post contains images ATCtower : What the hell has he accomplished? The fastest dwindling approval rating? A healthcare "proposal" 76% of people are against? Furthering the division
57 Post contains links planespotting : http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news...s_ezorn/2010/07/pollingreport.html A Bloomberg Poll conducted July 9-12 found 37 percent of respondents who wan
58 Maverick623 : No, you asked where my disgust was in previous elections: Implying that I somehow hold a double standard. And then in your next post: Further implies
59 BN747 : Ummm well save that for the next time you need to leave a tip at a restaurant... I see we've another fan for ultra right-wing radio..where doom and g
60 Mudboy : I'm sorry, but every time I hear about the Black Panthers, I think about Forrest Gump, getting in a fight in the middle of the Blank Panther Party!! "
61 DeltaMD90 : Just using this as an example, not saying you're the only one to do this (we all do) but you know what, it happened in the past, they might have been
62 mbmbos : Once again, neither the current Attorney General or President has had anything to do with the case being dropped. This type of baseless claim that has
63 Post contains links Dreadnought : On what timeline do you base that on? The best one I can find says that the case was ordered dropped in May of 2009, two days after DOJ attorneys iss
64 seb146 : The right was screaming for people to shut up when votes were being manipulated in 2000 and 2004. Now, in the vote from 2008, the right is screaming
65 Post contains links Dreadnought : The only people who made that claim were the real genocidal neo-nazis - the NBPP. Pot-kettle-black. http://www.usccr.gov/NBPH/04-23-2010_NBPPhearing.
66 Maverick623 : That's it, I'm out. I refuse to continue a discussion based on such drivel.
67 seb146 : C'mon.... In Ohio 2004, people standing in the cold rain for 8 hours and complaining about it? Really? You never heard that? In Florida in 2000, peop
68 474218 : So just how did George Bush manipulate all those people in Ohio to get them to stand in the rain for eight hours? As I remember the ballot that was d
69 Post contains links avent : Except they had already obtained a default judgement against the guy with the nightstick before deciding not to pursue the matter further. It's an in
70 Post contains links avent : I'll also add, that FOX failed to cover the issue of voter intimidation by the Minutemen: In contrast to Fox News' repeated hyping of voter-intimidati
71 ATCtower : Seriously? You are using the weather to make your case? Even if blacks were out on their knees praying white people got struck by lightning and it ha
72 474218 : You do realize the "Media Matters" is not a "news" organization: But in there own words is a "progressive research and information center dedicated t
73 avent : ". Indeed, but they are an excellent resource for tracking and documenting media issues. In this case they document how even rightwingers think the Bl
74 avent : I'm tired and forgot the obvious other point... Regardless of what you think about Media Matters, they offered a perspective based on a professional
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