The New York Yankees have moved very close to prying Cliff Lee from the Seattle Mariners in return for a package of players that includes prized catching prospect Jesus Montero, according to a published report.
If this indeed happens, this will just further confirm that the Phillies management made a major mistake in trading Cliff Lee several months ago. Philly sportscaster, Angelo Cataldi of AM 610 WIP, will definitely have something to squawk about when he comes back from vacation. He's already been hammering on the Phillies as of late.
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BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14323 posts, RR: 26 Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 948 times:
Way better than if he goes to the Twins.
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AGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17 Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 948 times:
Quoting PHLBOS (Thread starter): Phillies management made a major mistake in trading Cliff Lee several months ago.
I was certainly shaking my head when they did that ... Lee is a gamer. But you never know what was going on in the background.
Maybe he didn't want to be there with Halladay? .... Hallady is having a pretty good year 2.33 ERA 10 / 7 ... not bad. But the rest of the staff is struggling . They still have a good staff .... Moyers , Blanton , Hammels just having bad seasons.
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BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14323 posts, RR: 26 Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 945 times:
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 2): Maybe he didn't want to be there with Halladay?
I think they traded him to get Halladay. Remember last season Philly was the most likely destination for Halladay, but they never came to an agreement with the Jays and the Phillies went out and got Cliff Lee. Then in the offseason they finally cut a three way deal with Lee going to Seattle and Halladay going to the Phillies.
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PHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7253 posts, RR: 25 Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 945 times:
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 2): Maybe he didn't want to be there with Halladay?
Let's be clear, Lee leaving the Phillies was NOT his own doing. According to Phillies management at the time, they could not afford to have both Lee and Halladay.
Whether they actually couldn't afford to have both pitchers or just simply didn't want to pay for both pitchers is a whole other story.
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Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19700 posts, RR: 56 Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 937 times:
I feel a bit wierd saying this as a Yankees fan, but...why do the Yankees need Cliff Lee? Not that I would be unhappy to have him, but I'm not sure the cost is going to be worth it. It's not as if the current pitching staff is in shambles, even with the struggles of Burnett and Vazquez.
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ER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2223 posts, RR: 8 Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 931 times:
Well, they'll get a real good look at him tonight - he's pitching against them. I've been to one of the games he's pitched and saw a few more on TV and this guy's great. I can see why teams would want him. It's a darned shame for us here in Seattle that almost no one on the team can hit their weight this year and the season is pretty much lost. Had they played to their potential and made a run at the division title, Lee may have found this place to his liking and they may have at least had a shot at keeping him. Now their only real choice is to deal him to some other team so they get something in return instead of just watching him walk at the end of the season and get zilch.
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1): Way better than if he goes to the Twins.
As a White Sox fan, I will have to respectfully disagree
AGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17 Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 918 times:
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 4): Let's be clear, Lee leaving the Phillies was NOT his own doing. According to Phillies management at the time, they could not afford to have both Lee and Halladay.
Agreed ... and looking at the Phillies staff with Halladay I can see how management would be optimistic . Moyers is old but he is still a gamer Hammels and Blanton are quality starters. The Phillies offence has been off this year ... but I have a feeling they will crank it up and make a good run against Atl.
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ANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3233 posts, RR: 14 Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 912 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 5): I feel a bit wierd saying this as a Yankees fan, but...why do the Yankees need Cliff Lee?
No, they don't. And to give up two prospects (one of whom, Montero, has been said to have phenomenal promise if his defense can be polished a bit) is silly. And although Cano isn't going anywhere anytime soon, what other depth do the Yankees have in second-basemen in terms of farm players?
Quoting ER757 (Reply 6): Well, they'll get a real good look at him tonight - he's pitching against them.
Apparently the offer expires once the game starts. The Yankees want to finish the deal before the game so they don't have to face Lee, presumably.
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fxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7023 posts, RR: 93 Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 901 times:
A sellout attitude, but I can't blame a 31 year old guy that wants to win a WS. Roy Oswalt is another guy NYY, Phillies, etc could go get before October.
Quoting PHLBOS (Thread starter): further confirm that the Phillies management made a major mistake
What are you talking about? They got the best pitcher in baseball for Lee.
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 2): Maybe he didn't want to be there with Halladay?
see below.
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3): I think they traded him to get Halladay.
PHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7253 posts, RR: 25 Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 893 times:
Quoting fxramper (Reply 9): Quoting PHLBOS (Thread starter):
further confirm that the Phillies management made a major mistake
What are you talking about? They got the best pitcher in baseball for Lee.
Getting Halladay (nothing against him mind you) should NOT have been at the expense of Lee; the pitcher who actually was responsible for Phillies 2 wins in last year's World Series.
This isn't just solely my opinion either, but many sports fans in the Delaware Valley/Greater Philly area share a similar view. Heck, even retired Red Sox pitcher and former-Phillies pitcher Curt Schilling commented similar as well.
From the words of Philly Sportscaster, Angelo Cataldi:
If there is one thing (Phillies GM Rueben) Amaro has taught us, waiting for the right deal is not always a great idea anyway. He waited six weeks after the 2009 season for the Cliff Lee trade to come together, and how did that work out? Sometimes, it’s not who you got to help your team, but when you got him, that matters the most.
The Phillies are in crisis right now, and they have been there for over a month.
...
There’s a very good chance all of those injuries are a sign that 2010 is not their year, and no single move is going to change that fate.
But to sit idly by and do nothing is unacceptable, especially after Amaro started the downward spiral himself with that massive Lee brain cramp. In fact, I suggested to Amaro recently that he had created a bad karma with the Lee deal, and he didn’t punch me in the mouth. (OK, it was a phone interview, but still . . . . )
Quoting fxramper (Reply 9): Quoting AGM100 (Reply 7):
The Phillies offence has been off this year
An understatement.
Another reason why they ultimately lost last year's World Series.
[Edited 2010-07-09 11:56:39]
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fxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7023 posts, RR: 93 Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 872 times:
Thank goodness, Cliff Lee to the Rangers. Pat will be happy.
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 10): Getting Halladay (nothing against him mind you) should NOT have been at the expense of Lee; the pitcher who actually was responsible for Phillies 2 wins in last year's World Series.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14323 posts, RR: 26 Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 855 times:
Quoting ER757 (Reply 6): As a White Sox fan, I will have to respectfully disagree
I'm kind of a Sox fan too, and I want him anywhere but Minnesota.
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sleekjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2045 posts, RR: 24 Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 816 times:
I'm in the Dallas area...can't tell if the folks around here are happier to (1) get Lee,or (2) drive a stick through the spokes of a Yankee front office that is used to getting what they want.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 813 times:
Quoting PHLBOS (Thread starter): If this indeed happens, this will just further confirm that the Phillies management made a major mistake in trading Cliff Lee several months ago.
As a huge Seattle Mariners fan (diehard, I say...) this will also apply to Seattle. Seattle has had a history of being know of trading away the best players for prospects and getting nothing in return in the last 8 years or so.... This pattern needs to stop.
This is Seattle's to lose. Seattle needs to ditch GM Jack Z. in an instant!!!
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Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19700 posts, RR: 56 Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 794 times:
Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 8): And to give up two prospects (one of whom, Montero, has been said to have phenomenal promise if his defense can be polished a bit) is silly. And although Cano isn't going anywhere anytime soon, what other depth do the Yankees have in second-basemen in terms of farm players?
I wouldn't mind parting with Montero now that Cervelli has established himself as a solid catcher who can be the successor to Posada, especially for someone the caliber of Lee. As far as depth after Cano, Ramiro Pena is a serviceable backup - you don't need much more than that since, like you said, Cano isn't going anywhere.
Quoting sleekjet (Reply 13): (2) drive a stick through the spokes of a Yankee front office that is used to getting what they want.
Not really sure what you're talking about here. The Yankees have lost out on many a trade in the past years, including some big names.
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af773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2574 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 787 times:
So what will the Minnesota Twins do now? I was watching some of the Twins vs. Tigers games and our starting pitchers are giving up quite a few runs, same in the games against the Toronto Blue Jays. I hope the Twins will get better, but if not, I can always cheer on my second favorite team the Yankees!
PHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7253 posts, RR: 25 Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 757 times:
Quoting fxramper (Reply 11): Thank goodness, Cliff Lee to the Rangers.
Many Phillies fans breathed a sigh of relief as well once that news rolled out.
Losing him, despite getting Halladay, was bad enough. Losing him and then having him going to the Yankees would have been a bit too much.
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