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Sex-ed & Free Condoms In Schools  
User currently offlineNicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 464 times:

Hello everyone,

On a recent thread School Prayer ... someone posted and i quote: [...]its your anti-prayer, pro-sex-ed, free condoms, philosophy that has taken over in the last few years[...]
After reading this I was asthonished to find out that some person are actually against sex education and against giving out free condoms. I am sorry but I just don't understand that, I had sex-ed a few years ago when I was in H.S, and find it very useful, as the teacher teached us how to detect testicles cancer for the men and breast cnacer for the women. Now about giving free condoms ...what's wrong with that AIDS and other sexual-transmitted diseases are very present in the world today, so why not protect everyone including H.S kids from it. It is the only way right now to protect us from this so why refrain it? Just because it might give people some sexual ideas? Nah i doubt it.

Please let me know your views on this
Thanks

Nicolas

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User currently offlineChris28_17 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1439 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 398 times:

Okay, ive been taken out of context again. The point was, that everyone agrees that schools are going to pot (no pun intended) but schools have declined faster in the last decade then EVER in history, and im simply making the conection that the only difference between this decade, and previous ones, is the new era of sex-ed, and getting rid of God.

And YES, i think that free condoms says "its okay to have sex, as long as you are 'safe'"

Let me explain. When a kid is handed a condom, this condom represents a rationalization to having premarital sex; something that, in the past, has been discouraged. People are ALWAYS looking for something that can rationalize thier actions that they want to do, but cant because of thier conscience.

And what about these STD's?? they are more rampant today then EVER in the history of the world. If people would have sex in the context that has traditionally been accepted, WE WOULDNT NEED CONDOMS. But why are we seeing this surge in casual sex??? simply put, because we are encouraging it by free condoms and a overall transformation of our culture towards immorality.

Lets think of it this way. Why does a person need to use a condom?? because that person may want to have sex with someone they dont know well enough to know if they even HAVE an STD. (sorry that sounds a bit "tongue twisted" but you know what i mean..) SOOO, in all common sense, the only people that need a condom are those who want to have sex with people they DONT KNOW very well.

Sorry if that sounded confusing, but the point is, that when we hand out condoms to kids, they think "wow, now i don't have to worry about who i sleep with because it will be perfectly safe."


How about another fun example???  
(sorry for this being so long)

What would you think if, instead of handing out condoms to 8 year olds, we gave them each a porno, a tissue, and a leaflet on proper masturbation techniques?
After all, we are encouraging "SAFE SEX" and pornos dont give STD's.

Okay, now who can tell me, in all seriousness, that ANY 8 year old kid would take one look at the porno and say "eww!! im not going to have sex till im married!!" HAHAHAHAHA.. yeah right, it will just increase the sexual desire of that child....

Sheeeshh... its really not that difficult to figure out people!!! i could write for hours on this forum (i wont for the sake of everyone else   )because it seems so very obvious, but some people are just clamouring for anything that eases the guilt of thier own immorality... *and thats not a generalization, you know who you are*

Want to know how to solve the STD problem?? its simple, in fact, even little ME knows the answer!! it is this: QUIT SLEEPING AROUND!!!

this would also help reduce abortions and unwanted pregnancies, it would reduce the huge number of kids that grow up without parents... on and on the benefits go!!!!


CHRIS


User currently offlineRed Leicester From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 380 times:

Nicolas,

In this day and age we are "pissing in the wind"

Whether you treat this type of education with truth and openess or hope that ignorance will prevail, there is so much access to information that neither will work.

We are all as a worldly society sick of reading about
food that is bad for you, excessive wanking causing testicular cancer and blindness etc, so, we all form our own opinions and become blarze to serious problems.

The majority thinks they are an expert on everything.....but....some advice if I may......use skillful questioning "what" "when" "how" "why" "where" to find out the real facts and THEN FORM AN OPINION!

Red.



User currently offlineNicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 367 times:

Chris28_17: Alright, you say that you think that condoms says it is ok to have sex. Don't forget that this interpretatiopn depends from one kid to another, but generally I think you are right. But so what? If they want to have sex, let them. First time I did it I was 16, and I'm haven't turned into a big pervert.

I think the reason between outr different views is probably as you said the pre-marital sex. I'm pro, you're con, that's where all the difference is. But what is it gonna change to your life if you make love before getting married with someone? Just because it is in the bible? Come on please do you respect everything that is said in there?

Now about the STD, yes it's true that just quiting having sex is a mean of getting rid of these diseases, but i think it is a bit extreme no? Like for instance if you fell off your bike instead of getting a plaster on your knee the doc would automatically cut it. The condoms have proven themselves to be very reliable (99.8% reliable if I recall correctly) so for most of the people it is an acceptable way of protecting themself.

Here's one little story for you, i'm not very proud of it but it is fun. When i was about 10 some sort of program was lauched all around France which was that you could get a condom for 25 cents, and for fun I went to bought it someday. I still remember that I bought 8 of them. Do you think I screw 8 people with it? No, not at all, I made water ballons with it and thorw 'em out of my appratement balcony on people ...was pretty funny  

Red Leicester: I see you are rather new here so welcome aboard. What do you mean when you say Pissing in the wind?!

Nicolas



User currently offlineBrissie_lions From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 371 times:

Okay, ive been taken out of context again.

I don't think you were. Your comment was taken exactly how you intended for it to be taken.

The point was, that everyone agrees that schools are going to pot (no pun intended) but schools have declined faster in the last decade then EVER in history, and im simply making the conection that the only difference between this decade, and previous ones, is the new era of sex-ed, and getting rid of God.

So it wouldn't also have anything to do with parents working longer hours, and the schools becoming ever more responsible for the raising of kids.

n a kid is handed a condom, this condom represents a rationalization to having premarital sex; something that, in the past, has been discouraged.

Puhleeze. Giving a kid a condom is not giving him the green light to go and #$@! like a minkrat. It is merely saying to him (or her) that IF you do have sex, use it as it is unsafe not too.

And you say premarital sex in the past has been discouraged. This for the most part has been true. However, my mother was unmarried and 17 when she had her first kid, her mother was 16 and unmarried when she had her first, her mother was 15 and unmarried for her first, and her mother was 16 (but married) when she had her first. So here you have a history going back to the 1860s of premarital sex. And if anyone has the nerve to say that my family is a special case, you have no idea what you are talking about.

And what about these STD's?? they are more rampant today then EVER in the history of the world. If people would have sex in the context that has traditionally been accepted, WE WOULDNT NEED CONDOMS.

Please tell us the context in which sex has been traditionally accepted. There has always been casual sex, there has always been anal sex, there has always been gay sex, there has always been oral sex. So is there a new way of having sex that I (and most other people) are unaware of and "dying" to try out?

But why are we seeing this surge in casual sex??? simply put, because we are encouraging it by free condoms and a overall transformation of our culture towards immorality.

See comment above. I.E. There has always been casual sex. The only reason you hear about it is because of the media.

Lets think of it this way. Why does a person need to use a condom?? because that person may want to have sex with someone they dont know well enough to know if they even HAVE an STD. (sorry that sounds a bit "tongue twisted" but you know what i mean..) SOOO, in all common sense, the only people that need a condom are those who want to have sex with people they DONT KNOW very well.

Ahhhh...to twist words to meet your own ends. Can you give me lessons on how to do that?

My brother has been seeing his current girlfriend for two years now. All of that time he has been using a condom. Until they decided two months ago they want to have a child. Result: I will be an uncle by August next year.

Sorry if that sounded confusing, but the point is, that when we hand out condoms to kids, they think "wow, now i don't have to worry about who i sleep with because it will be perfectly safe."

It isn't as simple as giving them a condom. It is the responsibility of the school to give these out for the first time in such a manner that it is part of their education. Explaining how to use them, and most importantly explaining that using a condom is not foolproof.

What would you think if, instead of handing out condoms to 8 year olds, we gave them each a porno, a tissue, and a leaflet on proper masturbation techniques?

What do you find fun about giving an 8 year old porn? I find it quite sick actually. And your mind came up with this and we are to believe you are morally invincible? Puhleeze.

Because it seems so very obvious, but some people are just clamouring for anything that eases the guilt of thier own immorality... *and thats not a generalization, you know who you are*

No...puhleeze tell us all who is guilty of their immorality, and how they have broken YOUR morals. Do not push your morals onto anyone. Where is it written that your morals are so high and mighty? Oh the bible right? So you wouldn't happen to be pushing your religion on to me would you? That on its own is immoral

Want to know how to solve the STD problem?? its simple, in fact, even little ME knows the answer!! it is this: QUIT SLEEPING AROUND!!!

Nothing is this simple. Even I don't attest to know how to solve the problem of STD's because we live in a real world where people have freedom of mind and of thought, and will do what they want to do.


User currently offlineWoody From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 356 times:

Giving a kid a condom is not going to make them run out and have sex. Just because I have a couple of condoms dosen't mean that I'm going to bang someone because I have them, they're there just in case I do have sex. On this issue I go by the saying "better to be safe than sorry." What if your child (even after being taught about abstinence) decided to have premarital sex? Would you want them to have access to condoms at school or have unsafe sex because they'd be afraid to talk to you about it (or they don't feel that its any of your business). When schools hand out condoms its not to get the kids to have sex, its in case the kids have sex.




User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4773 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 356 times:

Premarital sex used to be a more taboo topic than it is now...but as Brissie points out it has been going on forever...didn't start yesterday. I think I have an analogy that some of you may or may not like...a bit of a silly one  

Say that you need to drive a nail into the wall. You need a hammer to do it. But...were you thinking "I need to put a nail in the wall to hang up that picture" or "I want to use the hammer". Same case for condoms and sex. Do people think "wow it would be really cool to use a condom" or do they think "damn I'm horny" etc. People want to have sex even if there were no condoms. A condom is merely a tool used to attain the goal...but is not the reason for wanting to have sex...just allows it to take place with less risk. Think about it.


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 347 times:

Chris,

You have a very unhealthy (mentally) attitude about sex for someone in your age bracket.

You have preached abstinance repeatedly over many posts. Perhaps you need to live a little? Giving a teenager a condom is not going to encourage them particularly to go out and rut like dogs. Most kids simply wait until they are comfortable with themselves sexually before they plunge headfirst into a sexual relationship.

To offer condoms and such through school programs gets to kids whose parents might not take an interest in their budding young teens growing awareness of sexuality. There is no excuse for parents in this day and age to not discuss such issues with their children. Responsible parents will, and encourage openess. That doesn't mean it always works, but at least if little christian "Mickey" is out sowing his seeds, he at least has some knowledge on how to protect himself from deadly diseases.

Abstinance is not the answer, look to the Catholic church and the hideous problems associated with their priests taking vows of celibacy?


mb


User currently offlineSurf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 343 times:

Teens are going to have sex whether they have condoms or not. Might as well give them the opportunity it protect themselves if the DO have sex.

User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 337 times:

I agree with the majority here, kids are going to be having sex anyways, why not reduce the amount of teenage pregnancy and STDs by helping them protect themselves. I will be the first to admit that I am not comfortable walking into a store and buying a pack of Trojans. I think that allowing kids access to free condoms will not promote kids to have sex, it will just promote kids who are already having sex into having safe sex.

I do have a question for Chris: Are you against free condoms in school, or are you against Sex Education in general? As I've already explained, kids are going to have sex regardless of whether or not there are condoms, and whether or not there is Sex Ed, it's been going on for centuries, and it will continue to go on. But let me ask you another question: Would you rather have kids (who as I've said, are having sex anyways) have sex unprotected, and making uneducated decisions regarding their sex lives, or a society making good judgement and safer decisions? Rhetorical question, I know, but these are the questions facing society today.

LH423



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