Zentraedi From Japan, joined Jun 2007, 659 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2643 times:
Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 3): Yeah just like MSNBC calls Keith Olberman, Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow journalists.
Don't watch MSNBC, but at least with Fox the whole damn channel is this sort of spastic cheerleader BS. Perhaps is nonsense is the only way to fill a 24 hour news channel and still draw in crowds, but I can't watch it for long without puking in my mouth.
Why can't we have serious news channels, not ones that are made for and by children?
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2544 times:
Oh please, you ever see half of Maddow's interviews where she is much worse in shouting down people, or Joan Walsh? When given facts that refute their propaganda they yell, and just throw out bombs. I will admit I think this interview crossed the line but Kelly was spot on. Powers had no idea what she was talkjng about and basically Obama and Holder let his Black Panther slide when he clearly broke the law. Powers was ill prepared to make her statement and didn't want to admit but Kelly needs to calm down a bit. She is turning into a hate monger like Levin has. It's bad enough we have MSNBC for this we don't need anybody else.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10794 posts, RR: 52 Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2530 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7): Oh please, you ever see half of Maddow's interviews where she is much worse in shouting down people
Megan Kelly went for 7 minutes talking over her colleague. (That's right, her COLLEAGUE) to make sure her point could not be heard. She even threatened to turn off her mic. I dare you to find an example of that elsewhere. Even your hated Rachel Maddow let Rand Paul speak for like 20 minutes to make sure he got his point across.
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7): Powers had no idea what she was talkjng about
1) If she had no idea what she was talking about, it would have been clear when she actually presented her argument, which Kelly refused to allow.
2) How do you know that she didn't know what she was talking about, considering she ever wasn't able to present her point?
Megan Kelly didn't just "cross a line." She failed at being a journalist, and attempted to silence dissent. Not good...
UAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2500 times:
I really don't want to debate news Channels, but with the Combination of Hannity, O'Reilly, this chick, and a few others, Fox News has them all beat to hell when it comes to over talking guests or colleagues to make their own points.
Maddow, Olbermann, etc., may over-talk as well, but not to the point where they are near shouting or cutting their guests off every time they make a point and start to prove it. Just youtube search any O'Reilly video that is not pro-Conservative, and he will be cutting people off the entire video.
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2440 times:
Quoting D L X (Reply 8): Megan Kelly went for 7 minutes talking over her colleague. (That's right, her COLLEAGUE) to make sure her point could not be heard
Actually she was preventing Powers from making ill conceived statements about something she knew nothing about. She asked a good question as to her credibility to answer how she did. Was it professional? No but she wasn't shouting over anyone just trying to make Powers look less foolish. Her point shouldn't be heard because it had no validity. I can watch a video and not have any idea what happened but I am not going to make professional opinions about it and if I try and someone asks me if I heard sworn testimony from people that were actually there I am going to answer. not try to change the subject. That flies on MSNBC where facts are constantly twisted but not on Kelly's court.
Quoting D L X (Reply 8): I dare you to find an example of that elsewhere
Game, set and Match. Last video they actually cut the guests mic
sleekjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2045 posts, RR: 23 Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2282 times:
I'm a fervent conservative, but I hate it when media types with whom I agree resort to bad manners to get their points across. Can't they realize that the chances of getting their points across increase markedly when they are composed, polite, and non-condescending?
Hannity is bad about this. Mark Levin is template.
futurepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2252 times:
Megyn Kelly is funny. "I know more about thus case than you do". I love how Megyn let the Conservative columnist speak without interrupting once, then when the other person comes in.... Oh shit she's disagreeing with me so I absolutely have to cut her off before she's had the chance to say anything, then in turn tell her she knows nothing about the case EVEN before she's had a chance to present her argument. But no, they're fair and balanced. They're about as fair and balanced as Megyn's hairline.
The best part of the video is when Megyn is telling Powers that she keeps cutting her off. . That is AMAZING
"The brave don't live forever, but the cautious don't live at all."
Well, D L X, as much as I hate to admit it, he's got you there. Those were every bit as bad as the crap I've seen from Fox, and that's not easy to do.
I wonder, do guests ever simply tell these abusive hosts to go f*ck themselves and walk off in the middle of the show? I know I would. It always bewilders me that this sort of 'journalism' is actually tolerated and apparently even encouraged on U.S. 'news' networks. I guess journalistic integrity is the first thing that goes out the door if it can get them extra viewers...
UAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2159 times:
Just to be "Fair and Balanced" on the last clip of NIK's, I need to post another clip of the same guy on Anderson Cooper...Just so you know what kind of "thug" (to borrow his words) we are dealing with.
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2117 times:
Quoting Rara (Reply 17): Wow. That was pretty bad journalism. Worse than most stuff I've seen from fox news, and that's saying something.
Journalism LOL, Dylan Ratigan is the biggest hate monger tin hat moron going. He has class envy so bad it oozes out of him. He and Ed Schultz really give MSNBC that nice touch of complete hatred we love to see.
Quoting Scorpio (Reply 19): Well, D L X, as much as I hate to admit it, he's got you there. Those were every bit as bad as the crap I've seen from Fox, and that's not easy to do.
Not hard at all. Oh I forgot this beauty. Where Joe Scarborough had to cut this Lawrence O'Donnell's mike because he lost control and was spewing the hatred we see all the time from MSNBC.
Airport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2085 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 22): Not hard at all. Oh I forgot this beauty. Where Joe Scarborough had to cut this Lawrence O'Donnell's mike because he lost control and was spewing the hatred we see all the time from MSNBC.
Well then maybe this should be a sign that we (the US) should stop watching/reading this junk on Fox, MSNBC, Huffington, etc. etc. because its not helping, and in fact hurting our country severely. By encouraging this low, low level of discourse not only sets the bar way low for political debate, but could actually persuade people who watch this who think whomever shouts the loudest is always right -- probably a scary proportion of our population.
Oh, oh, wait... silly me, this is the free market at work! All hail the free market that which has brought us this quality journalism! Let us bow down to this all-glorious and never-failing free market!
ozglobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2683 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2054 times:
Are there any sources of journalism available in the US today? Seems to me the options are infotainment or rabid party based propaganda that is beginning to rival Goebbels.
For US news, I usually review NYT, Chicago Tribune, NPR, KCRW Podcast Left, Right and Center to get a range of views. In no way should FOX, that little cup of poison, be considered journalism. I feel sorry for those who see it as such. Murdoch is on record saying he sees his role as directing public opinion to align with his ideology. The facts are secondary.
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When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
25 474218: I agree! The two ladies arguing, Megan Kelly and Kirstin Powers, are not "journalist" they are providing their "opinion" on an "editorial program". A
26 BMI727: Exactly. This isn't journalism, this is reality TV. Put those two on an island and you have Survivor. Put them in a board room and you have The Appre
27 aloges: Who like to report on the protests sparked by FOX News initiatives such as the "tea party movement". Among other things, obviously.
28 D L X: More like 40-15. (You're the 15.) You were able to find a handful of examples. You can turn on your hero network at pretty much any day and see an ex
29 NIKV69: Actually you've double faulted yet again. It happens much more on MSNBC than it does FOX. By a mile. None of these people on FOX or MSNBC are journal
30 nwaesc: We do. Check out NPR, PBS, even Al-Jazeera America for a refreshing look at current events. Best post ever. Shame that many right wingers who are vag
31 ozglobal: I live in France! They'll do that anyway......
32 AirPacific747: OMG that's the crappiest interviewer ever.. She's supposed to control the debate in a sober and adult way. She's a real bitch..
33 OA412: sad, but true. Indeed. Loud, shrill, cutting off her guest then demanding that she be listened to. How can anyone watch her and consider her to be a
34 AirPacific747: Exactly.. she is supposed to be somewhat neutral.
35 us330: Good point--this isn't fox versus cnn. This is fox versus fox. Murdoch owns both Fox News and the New York Post (who Powers writes for). Both of them
36 dxing: It happens on both networks every day. Chris Matthews is a perfect example as is O'Reily. Not in Kelly's case at that time of the day. She is actuall
37 D L X: Excellent point. The appeaser guy who hasn't been heard of since. But I think a major difference between Kelly and Matthews (generally speaking) is t
38 dxing: i get that impression from a number of anchors from Kelly to Couric to Gibson. While Couric and Gibson might not get as loud, they each have talked o
39 bjorn14: Both of you have to be joking...yes getting your refreshing looks from a range of views from marxists to neo-liberals.