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Question For The Athiests And Agnostics?  
User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3518 times:

I started to post this in Doc's religion thread, but decided it was better for a thread of it's own

I have a question for all the Athiests and the Agnostics on here, and I am being serious, because I have always wanted to know this? I will use an example we can all relate too. If the person you loved the most was on Flt 93 on 9/11/2001, or trapped in the top floors of the WTC after you saw the first one fall, and people were jumping out the windows rather than burn to death, and you knew most likely what their fate would be, what do you do? As a Christian, I would be praying obviously to God to please don't let them suffer and give them the strength, and comfort them.
My question is, who do you turn to, if you do not pray? Do you just sit there and accept it. What gives you the strength deep inside to make it through a tragic situation?
I mean no disrespect when asking this. I am by no means a Holy Roller, and respect your religion or lack of, as much as I want you to respect mine. I am one that believes religion should not be pushed on anyone, and it is between you and whatever you believe in, this question has just always intrigued me?
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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6688 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

I have never been in such a dramatic situation, but for more common ones, like my grandmother dying, when I was still a little religious (I never really believed, but I tried, and was involved in the Catholic Church from childhood till 20), I found that turning to "god" and praying didn't help me at all, it was frustrating. So now I accept things as they come and it can also be frustrating, but at least there is no big guy in the sky to blame.


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User currently offlinenighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5157 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Quoting Mudboy (Thread starter):
My question is, who do you turn to, if you do not pray? Do you just sit there and accept it. What gives you the strength deep inside to make it through a tragic situation?

I'm an atheist.

In such a situation, then yes, I would just sit there and watch, and accept the inevitable, as I personally do not believe there is anything that can be done.



That'll teach you
User currently offlineMingToo From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2009, 464 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

It is sadly ironic that in this particular example there would have been other people who were praying to their God for as much pain and suffering to occur as possible.

Perhaps being outside of that irony is where some of the strength of those who are not religious comes from ?


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3445 times:

I'll turn the questions around. What good is praying to God to save your friend in the WTC? If there is a God, he clearly doesn't give a toss about people suffering.

If i need mental support i can turn to friends and family, they've been a lot more supportive than any God has been to anyone.


User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6757 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3445 times:

Quoting Mudboy (Thread starter):
As a Christian, I would be praying obviously to God to please don't let them suffer and give them the strength, and comfort them.

Would God need to be told or would he be watching anyway and act accordingly, if your belief system is so inclined? Would those who didn't have anyone praying for them suffer a more horrific death because there were no prayers for their comfort in their last few moments?

Any questions of God as to why it happened in the first place? Why are you being tested in such a way?

Quoting Mudboy (Thread starter):
Do you just sit there and accept it. What gives you the strength deep inside to make it through a tragic situation?

Fortunately I've not been in such a situation, so I can't say for certain. Carry on and pick up the pieces after however many days/weeks of loss.



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User currently offlineEISHN From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3425 times:

Quoting Mudboy (Thread starter):

Unfortunately there is nothing anyone can do. The Pope can sit there and pray all he wants, it would only have the same affet as me sitting there watching the TV. Of course it was horrible, nothing can detrct from that.
You also have to remember that there are so many horrible things happening around the world, constantly. I don't like the idea of leaving things up to someone else.
I'll give you an example. A girl who'll be going to my college this autumn was having financial difficulties with her accomadation, and her answer to the problem was to fast and pray to God rather that ring up the school, explain the situation and ask for some help. Someone eventually talked some sense into her, and she rang up the school, who were very accomadating, and she had the problem sorted. Then she thanked God for making the situation turn out in her favour. In my opinion, "God" didn't do anything. The girl getting up off her ass, and ringing the school allowed for her to be helped.
It's not about faith in deity, but about faith in your fellow man to help one another. But sometimes, and these are difficult, there is nothing you can but wait. It's horrible, in the case of 9/11, there is nothing you can do when you're sitting in California. The only way a person from CA could help would be to get in there car and drive to NYC and help with the clean up. We can't just leave things up to God.

So I say, do it yourself, and if you can help in anyway, then do. But that won't always be the case, and as painful as it might be, we just have to accept certain things.



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User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

Quoting EISHN (Reply 6):
I'll give you an example. A girl who'll be going to my college this autumn was having financial difficulties with her accomadation, and her answer to the problem was to fast and pray to God rather that ring up the school, explain the situation and ask for some help. Someone eventually talked some sense into her, and she rang up the school, who were very accomadating, and she had the problem sorted. Then she thanked God for making the situation turn out in her favour. In my opinion, "God" didn't do anything. The girl getting up off her ass, and ringing the school allowed for her to be helped.

But to a person that believes in God, they are not looking at it as God clapping his hands, and getting the outcome your friend needed, she probably believes that God helped by sending her friend to talk some sense into her?

First off, I am not trying to change anyones beliefs or disbeliefs, I respect what your opions are; the reason I asked the question is, that being raised a Christian, in times of need, you looked to God in tragic times, so I am just trying to understand what a person that does not believe does?

Also, not all Christians are ones that try to project their religion on to you, just because I asked this question does not mean I am in any way, trying to challenge your beliefs. If you say there is no God, I respect that, but please don't try to make us that do believe, out to be a bunch of idiots.


User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5470 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 4):
I'll turn the questions around. What good is praying to God to save your friend in the WTC? If there is a God, he clearly doesn't give a toss about people suffering.

You have it turned around. The prayer is not for, in this case, the friend...the prayer is for the strength to accept what is happening and the strength to get through it. When someone prays, it should be for the strength to accpt the burdens he has, not to be relieved of them.



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User currently offlinenighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5157 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 7):
hat being raised a Christian, in times of need, you looked to God in tragic times, so I am just trying to understand what a person that does not believe does?

You turn to God, who you believe gives you the strength to deal with tragic times. Atheists believe we already have that strength within us, and we just get on and deal with it. We dont turn to anything.

It's not really something that is easy to explain, you probably cannot imagine dealing with a situation without the help of God, and an Athiest can't imagine praying and turning to God actually helping.



That'll teach you
User currently offlineEISHN From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3363 times:

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 7):
First off, I am not trying to change anyones beliefs or disbeliefs, I respect what your opions are; the reason I asked the question is, that being raised a Christian, in times of need, you looked to God in tragic times, so I am just trying to understand what a person that does not believe does?

All I can do is hope for the best. Religion can offer a sense of comfort, but a false sense of security won't help me in a bad situation.
In bad situations, religious and non religious people are faced with the same problem, and probably go about it in the same way. Religious people pray, and I hope for the best outcome, and if we can help in any way, we do.

When you break it down, we're quite similar. Religious people put it in the hands of God, atheist people just have to accept that this is the way the world works.

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 7):

But to a person that believes in God, they are not looking at it as God clapping his hands, and getting the outcome your friend needed, she probably believes that God helped by sending her friend to talk some sense into her?

I can understand how she can see it that way, but credit is not given to the people who intervened and helped her. What if they hadn't helped her? She would have spent her time not eating, and talking to herself in her room. If that's what she believes, then that's fine, but ringing the college, not fasting and praying, helped her.



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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3344 times:
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I am an atheist, but fortunately I've never been in a situation as tragic as the examples stated in the OP. That said, my way to deal with a tragic situation is to believe in myself. I have plenty of positive things in my life that I can think of to "compensate", and for the rest, I just have to sit there and accept the facts. And last but not least, there are my partner and my friends that I can ask for moral support.

With this mindset I have always managed to cope. I have also tried to believe, but it was frustrating, as my rational mind kept telling me that believing in the irrational doesn't help. Something like what Aesma said in reply #1.

I once read an article with a theory saying that religions were created to help people cope with tragic events. If everything went well in life, there would be no reason for religions to exist. I believe this may be somewhat true: after all, many people I know who believe in a religion "somewhat", pray only when they need to cope with a tragic event. Otherwise they don't care. It's an opportunistic way to believe, but then again, I don't blame them. If praying helps overcoming sadness, why not? It just doesn't work for me, but I respect those who do.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9437 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3340 times:

I am an agnostic or whatever because atheism is kind of a religion in itself. In such a situation I would feel pity for the people, for their families and loved ones. I'd hope that they don't suffer.

What else can you do? 9/11 was a crime committed in the name of God which simply shows how mean religion can be and that is not only the islamic religion. Cruelty in the name of Christ has a long path in history. .



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6600 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3303 times:
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Quoting Mudboy (Thread starter):
My question is, who do you turn to, if you do not pray? Do you just sit there and accept it. What gives you the strength deep inside to make it through a tragic situation?

I am a recovering Catholic, so i cant say my life is devoid of Religion (Catholic guilt still with me alive and well), but i think that just because you would have no religion, that does not make you heartless.

I am sure that atheists can still see and understand human suffering and if they would see someone suffering that wouldn't just smile and leave.. You dont need to pray in order to feel sympathy for others.



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User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3271 times:

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 9):
You turn to God, who you believe gives you the strength to deal with tragic times. Atheists believe we already have that strength within us, and we just get on and deal with it. We dont turn to anything.

It's not really something that is easy to explain, you probably cannot imagine dealing with a situation without the help of God, and an Athiest can't imagine praying and turning to God actually helping.

Excellent post Nighthawk!

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 11):
I once read an article with a theory saying that religions were created to help people cope with tragic events. If everything went well in life, there would be no reason for religions to exist. I believe this may be somewhat true: after all, many people I know who believe in a religion "somewhat", pray only when they need to cope with a tragic event. Otherwise they don't care. It's an opportunistic way to believe, but then again, I don't blame them. If praying helps overcoming sadness, why not? It just doesn't work for me, but I respect those who do.

Another Excellent post!! I have thought of this theory myself at times, because there are many that need something to believe in, to keep them going in tragic times.

Some really great answers so far!!


User currently onlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8165 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3248 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 8):
The prayer is not for, in this case, the friend...the prayer is for the strength to accept what is happening and the strength to get through it. When someone prays, it should be for the strength to accpt the burdens he has, not to be relieved of them.

What of all the people who exclaim "oh God please help me!" then??   

Strength in any given individual comes from a variety of sources - be it religion, life experience, upbringing, attitude, whatever - the way we deal with challenges and critical situations is just part of our nature. It doesn't really matter what you exclaim in a critical situation as much as how you mentally address the stress of the challenge. If prayer is what works, great. If talking to yourself or others works, that's fine too. Just part of the grand human adventure.

I lost a magneto in a Cessna on one of my first solo flights a few years back and was renting an aircraft that had a pretty spotty maintenance history. I didn't have much experience and spent quite a bit of time wondering what I would do if the other shoe dropped. After about 30 seconds of being scared, I thought about praying, and realized it would be useless because I needed to devote all of my mental energy to situational awareness. As they say, you just do what you have to do.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19794 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

"I have a question for all the Athiests and the Agnostics on here, and I am being serious, because I have always wanted to know this? I will use an example we can all relate too. If the person you loved the most was on Flt 93 on 9/11/2001, or trapped in the top floors of the WTC after you saw the first one fall, and people were jumping out the windows rather than burn to death, and you knew most likely what their fate would be, what do you do?"

I'd be horrified. Just like I was that day.


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

Good question, Mudboy........

But one can only answer it on a strictly personal basis. To my mind it depends on what, from your earliest beginnings, 'makes you tick.' In my view there is no 'right answer' to your question.

In my own case I was brought up as a Christian, a Catholic. But religion only 'clicked' with me at school, and that was in the Lower Sixth when a marvellous guy we used to call "Doc Ward' (actually a Jesuit priest, a convert after he'd spent years as an infantry officer in WW1) gave us a course on 'comparative religion.' The very FIRST thing he did was to write up on the blackboard (he was a 'blackboard' sort of teacher) no less than seven proofs that God did not exist!  

His point was, of course, that the existence of God (and, therefore, any sort of 'after-life') cannot be proved. You either think (on balance) that He does, or (again on balance) that He doesn't. You have to make your own decision; anyone who tries to make the decision FOR you (one way or the other) is just plain wrong-headed.

The key, to my mind, is probably the question of the 'after-life.' You either think that there MAY be one, or you think that there PROBABLY isn't.

I find that religion (regardless of whether you actually practise one, for myself I largely gave that up a while ago) gives me a certain amount of comfort at difficult times. The old saying (by a US soldier, years ago) that 'there are no atheists in foxholes' rings very true to me. I'm as sure as I can be that that was the literal basis of Doc's conversion......

But it boils down to a personal choice. And, to my mind, we should respect whatever choice anyone else cares to make, it's not our place to interfere with it.

Unless and until, of course, the proponents of ANY religion start preaching that members of one particular religion have the right to, and should start, killing members of another. For my money, THAT'S the point at which I draw the line.....

[Edited 2010-07-15 08:28:53]


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17544 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

Quoting Mudboy (Thread starter):
As a Christian, I would be praying obviously to God to please don't let them suffer and give them the strength, and comfort them.

Isn't god the same guy making all of this happen? I'm agnositc; I've seen too much injustice to even consider that god is a nice guy, if he's there at all.

Quoting Mudboy (Thread starter):
My question is, who do you turn to, if you do not pray? Do you just sit there and accept it. What gives you the strength deep inside to make it through a tragic situation?

The only thing you can do is know that this too shall pass, and you will grow and gain strength from it.



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3166 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18):
Isn't god the same guy making all of this happen?

The 'only available theory,' MaverickM11, is that God 'made us,' but that He also equipped us with 'free will.'

Before you say it, I agree with you that the whole theory is open to serious question. But that's what religious people of all creeds tend to believe; that God set up a self-determining 'system,' not some sort of puppet-show with Him pulling the strings........



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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3148 times:

God always seem to be on an awfullly long lunchbreak when you need him....  

User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

I don't know, honestly.

I was an atheist. There were circumstances in my life which led me to believe that everything about the organized religions was bullcrap, and that there is no possible way there could be a god.

But then things changed in ways I couldn't explain... things that were so improbable and that felt so unlikely, that to me it almost couldn't have not been meant to happen. I then realized that there are a certain number of things which I do in fact believe in -- and always sort of have... but then again, I'm also ready to accept that my system of beliefs is all phony and completely determined simply by whether I'm in good times or bad times.

I think in the bad times, it's easy to be an atheist. In the good times, it's easy to be spiritual and believe in the supernatural. Of course that's not to say all atheists are unhappy and non-atheists are not. That's just my own personal experience.

And then I almost wonder if people in general even have the capacity to fully understand and appreciate such ambitious thoughts as epistomology, determinism, and all fate and reason.

It's easier to just go to work/school everyday and try to be content and moral.

Cheers,
Anthony/Airport

[Edited 2010-07-15 10:41:35]

User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3117 times:

Quoting Mudboy (Thread starter):
Do you just sit there and accept it.

Yes. Because specially in such an extreme situation like what you mentioned there's nothing I can do, and no point in trying to do something.

Quoting Mudboy (Thread starter):
What gives you the strength deep inside to make it through a tragic situation?

Time heals. Sometimes. Otherwise I just suck it up.


User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10047 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3112 times:
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Quoting Mudboy (Thread starter):
and you knew most likely what their fate would be, what do you do?

Hope that they somehow manage to find a way out of it.

Quoting Mudboy (Thread starter):
My question is, who do you turn to, if you do not pray?

Family, friends, "higher power" (as distinct from God), whatever/whoever.

Quoting Mudboy (Thread starter):
Do you just sit there and accept it.

Eventually, yes. Same as everyone - religious or not. More often than not, though, acceptance takes some time.

Quoting Mudboy (Thread starter):
What gives you the strength deep inside to make it through a tragic situation?

I dunno. I don't personally feel like I am all that strong deep inside. Yet I've gotten through tragic situations. The biggest helpers of all are other people.

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 7):
the reason I asked the question is, that being raised a Christian, in times of need, you looked to God in tragic times, so I am just trying to understand what a person that does not believe does?
Quoting nighthawk (Reply 9):
We dont turn to anything.

I would strongly debate that statement. I certainly turn to my close friends, girlfriend, family, etc. when I need to. I'd wager the same is true for many, if not most, atheists/agnostics.

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 11):
I once read an article with a theory saying that religions were created to help people cope with tragic events. If everything went well in life, there would be no reason for religions to exist. I believe this may be somewhat true: after all, many people I know who believe in a religion "somewhat", pray only when they need to cope with a tragic event. Otherwise they don't care. It's an opportunistic way to believe, but then again, I don't blame them. If praying helps overcoming sadness, why not? It just doesn't work for me, but I respect those who do.

Although I haven't read anything about it, that's basically what I believe about religions. I think religion was/is simply a way to explain the unexplainable, like deaths, natural disasters, astronomical events, etc.

Attending AA meetings has been quite an eye-opener for me. They can be quite spiritual (and/or religious, depending on the people). Now, AA does not demand religion (it doesn't even really demand spirituality); it just asks you to keep an open mind. There are lots of references to your Higher Power, which can be God or some other form (some people use AA itself as their higher power). It's been a great experience, and taught me that there are an infinite number of shades of gray when you're talking about religion and spirituality.

Worth noting that because of AA, I do find myself briefly praying every now and then....Mostly saying the Serenity Prayer:

"God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference"

And although I do use the word "God" in there, I don't actually believe in God - for me, it just refers to a higher power.



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User currently offlineNSMike From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 254 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 19):
Before you say it, I agree with you that the whole theory is open to serious question. But that's what religious people of all creeds tend to believe; that God set up a self-determining 'system,' not some sort of puppet-show with Him pulling the strings........

Which always led me to question why people pray? Seems a waste of time if one believes in a hands-off system.



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25 fr8mech : I would submit that the conclusion of that little prayer should be "get through this". Or maybe their view of religion and God is different than mine
26 ATCtower : While I personally condemn organized religion of any sort in its entirety, that was a pretty crappy thing to say even if you are an atheist. Only my
27 rottenray : Most assuredly an atheist. Looking at current events, and going back to some other texts, I have to say that most of the pogroms and denial of basic h
28 Post contains images Fly2HMO : I've learned throughout my life that the more seriously religious people I come across tend to be extremely, I dunno, weak minded and dim-witted, and
29 CrimsonNL : I´m an atheist. I´d just sit there and accept it. What I don´t understand is the following, I´m not meaning to offend you I just wonder what your
30 BMI727 : The Christian answer to that question would be that sin causes these things to happen, as humankind is not in the pure form that God intended. Now, s
31 TheCol : I'm religious, but I agree with you there. IMHO, if a person isn't willing to get off their ass and take the initiative, then God certainly won't. Th
32 Yellowstone : Christians always bring up free will when trying to resolve the theodicy problem, but that ignores all the human suffering caused by natural disaster
33 Springbok747 : Bingo! And its amazing how other people exploit this and how so many weak minded people fall prey to these scammers. I've never been in a situation l
34 Post contains links severnaya : http://www.comereason.org/exst_god/exs025.asp
35 Post contains images soon7x7 : "Their are no atheists in fox holes"!...and so it goes. While there is no proof God exists...in any form , I do believe conversely, no proof that he d
36 MingToo : Ditto leprechauns, the tooth fairy, Hogwarts school of Witchcraft and Wizardry ....
37 Mudboy : First off, I never said I would pray that they live, I don't pray to change an outcome. I pray for being able to accept what is laid before me, and h
38 Post contains images Doona : After which the girls thought you were a weirdo for actually using the word "artisan" in a sentence, and quickly swam away? Cheers Mats
39 aerorobnz : I trust in my own ability to deal effectively with any scenario by turning to my memory and recollection of skills I have learned along the way in li
40 PanHAM : Here's the answer on that one: Ray dies and finds himself before the pearly gates of Heaven. St. Peter tells him that he cannot enter yet because he
41 MingToo : Two thoughts occur to me. Firstly, our understanding of the Universe is still in its infancy despite some of the major leaps in Physics over the past
42 Post contains images dandaire : Am I correct in recalling that God said "there shall be no other God than me"? If so therefore God is an athiest
43 Post contains images einsteinboricua : That's my line of thinking too. We pray for world peace since when....? I've never been in something like that, but I'd be prepared to accept it. It'
44 soon7x7 : Your just jeleous, your waters too cold to swim in!
45 Delboy : The bottom line is that most of the worlds conflicts are caused by God (or his derivative in an alternate religion). Some believe it's 'his' way of co
46 jamincan : I was listening to a program on the radio recently where they were interviewing a woman who researches the body/mind connection. The basic point she
47 Aesma : Actually, seeing the poor Haitians praising god for being alive after the quake was heart-breaking. And then Travolta landed with an army of scientol
48 einsteinboricua : Speaking about the Haitian earthquake, another reason I've kept off from religion is because I would be embarrassed to be linked to any of them. When
49 GDB : My own view is that the emergence of religions, including kinds lost in the sands of time, came with the fact as that usually sentient beings, we know
50 MaverickM11 : It's all a fudge to make religion more easy to swallow. If everything good happens because of god, but everything bad happens because of free will, o
51 DocLightning : "What gives you the strength deep inside to make it through a tragic situation?" I have a lot going for me. I have friends and family, people who I lo
52 NASCARAirforce : Exactly, this is why I am against Organized religion. Most wars and these situations like 9-11 are caused by Organized Religion.
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A Question For The English.... posted Sun Oct 14 2007 14:30:48 by GKirk
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Question For The Brits - 80's Singers posted Sat May 12 2007 07:45:02 by Diamond