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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1666 times:

A handful of you may know my current situation, but I'll try to be brief for the rest of you (and probably fail at it)

Basically, left college summer 09. Graduated as a commercial pilot and flight instructor and I've always wanted to be an airline pilot yadda yadda (the usual), but there are no pilot jobs whatsoever specially for somebody with barely over 300hrs. Was jobless until January this year. Since then I have been working for a very VERY wealthy person as a purchaser for his new aircraft. Fast forward to this month and the plane is finally ready to be put into use. Which means they will no longer have use for me as an airplane purchaser. The original goal for both me and them (my employer's company) was to have them buy the plane and then I'd be the copilot, but due to medical reasons*** that won't happen, and they already have a copilot hired at this point.

However, today, somewhat predictably, I was offered to remain employed as the "administrator" for the airplane, meaning I get to make sure it complies with all maintenance requirements, I'll be a dispatcher of sorts, coordinate charter schedules, and other stuff like that. It would be mostly a desk job, which I can't stand. I might possibly get my own office. I don't know if I will get a pay raise as of yet, but I do plan on asking them to at the very least equal what they are currently paying me, which isnt too bad a salary but could be better of course. I'm not worried about them finding another person to do this as there's pretty much nobody in the know at the moment and they've been really happy with me so far.

For now I told them I'd think about their proposition.

However, this isn't an easy decision for a variety of reasons:

For one, I'm a pilot. I belong in the sky. As corny as that sounds, even my most interesting desk jobs were highly boring and I'd get frustrated really quick, and I can't help feeling like a major failure when in a desk. It's just not my place to be sitting behind a computer all day. However, at least this job will keep me very close to the airplane itself, and I'll probably get non-rev privileges of sorts (and I plan on asking for them anyways). And it will hopefully keep me far away from my other life problems as mention next:

The other thing that bothers me, is that I need to get the heck out of living with my parents, or parent rather. My family has pretty much fallen apart since november last year, and things have been ghastly ever since. My dad moved out, my parents will be getting divorced soon, and I'm stuck living with my mom who has an extremely bad case of borderline personality disorder (aka she's borderline psycho). Hence why my dad moved out. So here I am stuck putting up with her crap. Life has been terrible for me emotionally in that regard and my mother's illness has take a huge toll on me and has ruined my emotional self, which in turn has ruined my social life, which in turn means i'll probably remain single perpetually. My only hope is that if I get a pay raise I at least can afford renting a place somewhere to get away from this hell hole. Otherwise I'm stuck living with my mom, which I just CAN NOT put up with anymore. An alternative would be to move out with my dad, whom I have a much better relationship with and conveniently lives in a nice apartment very close to the airport, however, while things may be better with him, i'm still stuck living with a parent, and at 26 years I think I'm more than ready to get the hell out of my parents nest, but I don't really have the means to, yet. I dunno how to put it, I just need my own goddamn place. When I lived in my own place in college I was sooooooo much more relaxed and less stressed, sure it was lonely at times but at least I wasn't cranky and pissy and constipated all the time.

My original plan B was, that after my airplane buying job was done, to just pack up my crap and move out to CA with my best friend, who has an airplane, and fly his plane on the side while I work in whatever job I can find. Out there he has a great group of friends I get along with real well and there's plenty of girlfriend material to choose from, so I'd at least have a decent social life, which I need ASAP before I go insane like my mother (she was born with it but you get my drift). The catch is the cost of living out there, and I have absolutely no means to support myself living out there not even for a few days while I figure out if I can get a job, so I'd pretty much would have to arrive at CA with a guaranteed job already, which is pretty much impossible to pull off. My friend did say I could live with him and his parents for a month or so while I get settled in with a job, but the way the economy is right now who knows how long it may take for me to get a job.

*** I guess I must mention that since I'm living in Mexico at the moment, which is where my job is at, I'm trying to get my Mexican Medical certificate, but they just so happen to make a big fuss because I'm blind without my glasses, yet I see 20/20 with them on. According to Mexican authorities that's not good enough    The FAA and ICAO don't give a damn about my blindness as long as its correctable to 20/20 (which it is) All my licenses/certificates are FAA issued.


Anyways, can't think of much else to put in here, but I'd glad to here any advice/ideas and I'd greatly appreciate any input  

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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1644 times:

Does this new thing pay more?


A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4841 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1612 times:

Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and do what is best.

Remember, it is always easier to get a job, when you have a job.
Maybe you could go to CA and interview for a few jobs and when you find one there, move there.

Have you tried to get a job at one of the larger FBO's such as Millionaire? That could lead to some interesting prospects.
There is also flight instructing? Have you looked into FlightSafety? They may have something for you.

Why are you living in Mexico? Is this where you are from?

The sooner you get out from under your mothers roof, the better off you will be. I had the same situation myself. Mine was a cross between Joan Crawford and Atilla the Hun. Even if you can move in with friends, you'll be better off. You need to be in the best emotional frame of mind possible.



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1587 times:

Alright, so I dunno what I was thinking, my dad talked some sense into me, I'm taking the job. I got nothing to loose.

This is what happens when you get a job offer early in the morning on a Saturday   

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
Does this new thing pay more?

It will as far as I know, haven't talked about those details yet. At the very least, I'll be paid the same, which after I'm done paying for the car in September will allow me to rent a very decent house all to myself. And there's plenty of room for growth.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
Remember, it is always easier to get a job, when you have a job.

A point my dad brought up, also, its easier to quit a job to get a job   

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
Have you tried to get a job at one of the larger FBO's such as Millionaire?

Not living in the US currently so nope.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
There is also flight instructing? Have you looked into FlightSafety? They may have something for you.

I've sent out 50+ resumes over the last year to flight schools. Not one of them replied back. Everybody from my CFI class is in the same spot.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
Why are you living in Mexico? Is this where you are from?

In HMO   It's complicated. US dude living abroad is the real short story.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):


The sooner you get out from under your mothers roof, the better off you will be. I had the same situation myself. Mine was a cross between Joan Crawford and Atilla the Hun. Even if you can move in with friends, you'll be better off. You need to be in the best emotional frame of mind possible.

LOL kinda rings a bell. But yeah I can't wait to move into a new place, you can get some very new and nice all brick houses fully furnished for $400 here. Something similar in the US would go for $2000 a month.


User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 3):
I'm taking the job.

Ok, so now I have to junk the whole paragraph I composed explaining why you should take it. Oh well, I'll still bill you for the time.  

Look at this job as a way to network and uncover new, better opportunities rather than focus on what you're not getting (i.e. flight time).


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6994 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

Take the job, live with your dad, save money since I would imagine it would be cheap to live with your dad and search as much as you can for a job somewhere that you want to do. Thats a though situation but you made the right choice IMO.
Best of luck! Hopefully you will be out of the desk and in the air soon!



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4650 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1563 times:

Was going to say, take it and go from there.... but that is old news. Good luck with the new job and growing from there!


For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and ther
User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

Hey whats wrong with the desk, I love my desk!!!!! I couldn't imagine having to work outside of a nice comfy climate controlled building!

I would move with Dad take the job and save some money for a few months while you look elsewhere. I know that here in Colorado we have a LOT of open positions at FBO's and being a low time pilot that is exactly where you want to be. Most jobs in the private aircraft area are given to people who know someone and working at an FBO will give you the opportunity to meet those people. I would check around and look into making a move to the US, maybe not CA because its far more expensive than anywhere else but other states are not too bad. Here is Colorado its pretty expensive but a good FBO job would allow you to pay the rent and live poor while you find something else. Check out Mayo Aviation they are not an FBO but they run a lot of aircraft and have some pretty good jobs that pay pretty well where you could meet people. Also I think Denver Air Center at BJC is hiring right now.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7257 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

My advice, look at the economy... keep that job! Think of it as a stepping stone. Can you get lasik or something down there and get certified by the Mexican authorities? It may be a bit of money to get the eye surgery, but it's the price you pay to do something you love.

And seeing your eye sight the way it is, this question may be in vain, but can you fly for their military? Every option is worth looking at in the very least.



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1522 times:

Thanks to all for the advice and wishes regardless of my initial stupidity! lol

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 8):
Can you get lasik or something down there and get certified by the Mexican authorities?

Yes, but 4 different ophthalmologists have told me its not worth risking my eyes for the surgery since I'm a pilot and obviously there's no blind pilots out there. I actually see better than normal people (20/15) and wearing glasses is not a burden for me, actually, several ladies have told me I look much more handsome with them, handsome as I am to begin with      

If I was planning on flipping burgers at Micky D's for the rest of my life then sure I would've gotten surgery a long time ago.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7257 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1504 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 9):
but 4 different ophthalmologists have told me its not worth risking my eyes for the surgery

Well, you know what you can do, wait a few years. Technology advances at a crazy rate. I'll also will tell you that if I was born about 5 years earlier, I would not be able to even dream of flying for the military, and eye sergury? No way, they wouldn't allow that. But in the last few years, thankfully, my dreams have become possible. Who knows how much less risky lasik will be in a few years? Never give up on what you really love



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1502 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):

Well, you know what you can do, wait a few years. Technology advances at a crazy rate. I'll also will tell you that if I was born about 5 years earlier, I would not be able to even dream of flying for the military, and eye sergury? No way, they wouldn't allow that. But in the last few years, thankfully, my dreams have become possible. Who knows how much less risky lasik will be in a few years? Never give up on what you really love

I've definitely thought about this. When the next big new surgery technique comes out that gives me a 99% chance of success rate and 0% chance of any side effects and reocurrence then I'll go for it. Otherwise, I'll just chicken out till then.


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